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The wall keeps alien invaders out. Social safety net is a good thing-as long as it remains a net to catch you from falling. If it becomes a couch where you lay all day for free and sometimes for generations-that is not a social net anymore.

There are lots of jobs Americans don't want to do-why???? Isn't that racist to say only illegals can do those kind of jobs-humans are humans. Get off your 300 pound fat tub of lard ass and do those jobs.

Socilaism is a fool's paradise often supported by intellectuals-who often are the first victims of it. Strange.

ThreeBays says

MrMagic says

ThreeBays says

Majority of the 1st world has social safety nets and healthcare. Only in America is this called socialism.

Social Safety nets, or tons of FREEBIES??

There's a difference.

How many illegals are you moving into your house to provide them a "social safety net"??

More like how many immigrants are we going to allow in to pay into medicare and social security to help fund the outflows that go to the boomers.

ThreeBays says

So are you going to pay for the wall since you support it but a majority of Americans don't? Stupid argument.

If you want to limit illegal immigration build the wall. If not, don't build the wall. If you don't want the wall, why even bother to have the border checkpoints that check passports and vehicles for drugs, trafficking and illegals?
It's as simple as that.

marcus says

More like how many immigrants are we going to allow in to pay into medicare and social security to help fund the outflows that go to the boomers.

Illegal immigrants are a net drag on the economy to the tune of over $100 BILLION a year. They're a net drag, just like public employees are on the economy.

Yes, the outflow to the boomers for Medicare and S.S., you know, the things they've paid INTO for +45 Years when working. Now if your talking about your pension outflow that the taxpayers of CA are paying for....

ThreeBays says

So are you going to pay for the wall since you support it but a majority of Americans don't? Stupid argument.

Tell me, why did Obama build a wall around his new house in D.C.?

marcus says

More like how many immigrants are we going to allow in to pay into medicare and social security to help fund the outflows tat go to the boomers.

Was there a reason why you ignored the word "illegal"

Yes, becasue legal and illegal immigrants both pay in to social security and medicare, but not always. In both cases, it they are working for cash, landscaping or being a nanny, for example, then not. Obvious legal immigrants are better.

It also is a fun fact that nobody denies, that most illegal immigrants are people that simply stay when their visa runs out.

MrMagic says

Tell me, why did Obama build a wall around his new house in D.C.?

To keep out the lookie loos when Barak and Michelle sun bathe in the nude.
Or
To keep out the scum, bums, and other democrats.

jazz_music says

Breitbart features the shortest and most emotionally manipulative litle blurbs that are almost memes or headlines LOL

Just long enough so that if you follow along they know how they got you to FEELZ about AMURIKA

We all know how you feel about AMURIKA. Same as our enemies. CIA needs to keep an eye on you.

marcus says

Obvious legal immigrants are better.

Great. Then why not support only legal immigration?

I have never supported illegal immigration, and I've never indicated that I did. Obama upped border security and deportations big time during his admin. What ever you do don't trip over reality as you promote the lies you are fed by right wing media.

Lies are such a deep part of right wing ideology these days that I know it must be difficult.


Strategist says

MrMagic says

Tell me, why did Obama build a wall around his new house in D.C.?

IT's not the same thing , but it's also one more example of a Trumpian total lie. No wall around Obama's house.

jazz_music says

You can call those who speak out hysterically bad names but that aint gonna cut you no slack jack

people are not lying down for it any more.

Fact you have to deal with.

So what are the people doing? How many have joined your call for a civil war?

ThreeBays says

No, it's not as simple as that. If you listen you will already know that Dems are for border security, but simply don't think that more wall is a good investment. Even as is, Trump's $5B ask would just build some more wall but not a complete wall, and it's going to be a long battle to get land rights to build continuous wall.

In that case why don't the Dems just counter with funds to build a complete wall? I'm sure Trump would accept that.
If it takes a long time to get land rights to build a continuous wall, we need to get the process started right away. Isn't it?

ThreeBays says

Indeed, where is the data? You want to spend $5B, then show me the data for what you want to spend it on.

WTF. National security which includes the wall. Please pay attention to the real news.

ThreeBays says

I would like to see some study about the efficacy of more wall. How fricking hard is that? That's how I run my teams - data driven. You want 5 people to do a project? Cool! Show me what is the expected impact of the project.

Those facts have already been submitted to Nancy and other democrats.

ThreeBays says

DHS is stating that $5 Billion will be for building 215 miles of "wall system". That's $23 Million per mile. MrMagic kindly pointed to the 99% effective border Hungary built to block migrants. The cost of Hungary's fence plus patrols? Under $1 million per mile.

Most of that will probably be wasted on bureaucracy and overpaid government workers. Besides, we may have a hundred times more to lose than Hungary. The wall is still worth it if you want to stop illegals.

jazz_music says

This so far is the only exception in history to what happens when inequality goes this far. Its not sustainable, its being prolonged by ubiquitous propaganda, access to fast food and cheap big box crap from China and Bangladesh, etc.

You can call those who speak out hysterically bad names but that aint gonna cut you no slack jack

That is what Trump and us are saying. That is why he is fighting with China and NAFTA to get better trade deals with us. DEms and globalist repubs oppose.

That si why he is trying to stop illegal immigration and chain migration. Ten million plus illegal immigrants exist who work under the table for half the minimum wage or less-raising the minimum wage will just allow more illeglas.

Same for chain migration-why bring in millions and millions of unskilled immigrants when Americans are not having good wages???

By what you are asking you must be a rabid Trump fan. If TPP had been signed-oh well it does not matter-you guys will support dems if they come and take your first born away in the name of socialism.

As some one who came from a former socialist country -not anymore-it is hell. You think it is great and reduces inequality-nope some top people hold all the [power and they run the country with a giant bureaucracy..

Why when trump is saying the same thing as you are and trying his best to do it-why do you support globalist scum who want to take away everything in the name of socialism????

One of the hallmarks of the left was propaganda-weather that be the soviet union or Nazis-it si very strong with the left today. They have convinced the dems to believe in a cause that hurts them-massive importation of cheap labor willing to work under the table and crime and also globalization-all the while -oh forget it maybe we are doomed.

Good thing I hold dual citizenship-time to transfer assets I suppose. I am not sititng ehre so socialists can grab all my assets and tell me how evil I am. What a sorry state this country is in.

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostikovitch says

It's time to give the Social Security trust to a guy from Kazakhstan who Trump really trusts! Only a Libby nut job would pretend not to understand why this is AMERICA!'s last hope!

You got him mixed up with Obama. Obama was the one willing to trade social security in as part of some grand bargain. trump has steadfastly refused to touch SS.

When Countries turn Communist or Socialist, the working productive Conservatives flee to America.

This is America, we will stand, hold and fight. the push to try to make America Socialist Communism will be what Liberals later in history will call a Genocide.
It wont be pretty, it wont go as planned, and it will be one sided. The Left can't even make a proper fist.

Strategist says

The wall is still worth it if you want to stop illegals.

WE have a system in which a President lies constantly and his sheeple (TRumpCucks) buy it, hook line and sinker.

THe wall argument is based on lies. Border security has been on the increase, for many years before Trump, and illegal immigration (all illegal immigration from Mexico for that matter) has been on the decrease.

Everyone who cares to know the truth, knows this. THey know that we have effective fencing, an effective wall where it matters already.

They also know that most illegal immigration is from people that just stay here when their visa expires.

THe wall is symbolic. Using technology with the existing "wall" would be far better, and is what ultimately is going to work. I, e, satellites, cameras, border patrol helicopters and guards on the ground.

Fact-checking the DHS border presentation

https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/05/politics/dhs-border-control-presentation/index.html

ThreeBays says

Indeed, where is the data? You want to spend $5B, then show me the data for what you want to spend it on.

How about what we DON'T want to spend money on.



Spending a ONE TIME cost of $5 Billion to save over $100 Billion a year, how's the ROI on that?

https://www.fairus.org/sites/default/files/2017-09/Fiscal-Burden-of-Illegal-Immigration-2017.pdf

marcus says

Fact-checking

Since when have the Liberals here been concerned with FACTS??

In a functional multiparty democracy, all this would be an opportunity for compromise.

Single-payer healthcare and Universal Basic Income and other safety nets become rapidly unsustainable when unfettered immigration opens the doors to ~5B people who didn't build the society but want the freebies.

So build legislation that creates the safety nets and closes the open doors and binds the two together as a requirement. Entitlement programs with built-in caps on population influx. Both sides get something they want and, most importantly, the outcome makes sense economically.