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I know what you mean man. This thought has crossed my mind many times as well. Was thinking of going back to Indiana, but couldn't convince the Mrs.

We've spent the past few years trying to think of anything we could change to stay. Definitely had to get the wife on board. The proximity to San Diego was a big help there.

Are you gonna be working remotely or new job?
How is pay?

You'll have to withdraw slowly, by using flash cards every night in 20 different languages for a while at night. Also, you can hire some local kids to pretend to be homeless and camp on your front lawn leaving trash and feces, until you get used to the new environment. You also shouldn't forget to start your car and take a few breaths from the muffler until you get used to the oxygen in your new abode.

Heraclitusstudent says

Are you gonna be working remotely or new job?
How is pay?

New job with a raise, but looking for most of the gains in cost-of-living savings.

If I didn't get my house at bottom my family would have moved years ago. Wife and I still plan to leave once kids are older, but who knows this subject comes up so much maybe sooner, our friends that have already jumped ship seem to have a happier lives and their children are doing well. This place is a rat race, and the rats just keep piling up.

Yah my wife and I will likely leave California when the kids are grown. I’ll retire early and do something else wherever we wind up. Her job travels easily. Despite the lovely weather, there are too many hands out to productive people, often with a stick to back up the request.

RC2006 says

this subject comes up so much maybe sooner, our friends that have already jumped ship seem to have a happier lives and their children are doing well.

Yes, this seems to be Californifuckation message from the Cali refugees we have known. I am here because of no debts and have some freedom to negotiate the asteroid belts. The California cloaking device that seems to make people think that they can only be happy here while having the chronic growl of dissatisfaction and brain jabs is a mystery.

If you can't afford the Hollywood Hills, Marin, Manhattan Beach etc. etc. with ease, elan, caterers, chauffeur, a large law firm on reatainer and a gated hood, then moving to more nurturing climes should always be a consideration. It's delightful how California is also committed that any new housing include a landing platform for the ghetto lottery. One of my neighborhoods is a beneficiary.

The Pleasures of living here just doesn't exist like it used to. I like to go to the beach, snowboard, hike, camp, ect. But all these things require dealing with traffic and crowds. When I go hiking I have to hike miles away from any parking spot to avoid all the diapers, chip bags, and graffiti that our wonderful majority leaves all over the place like they do at home. Any event or fun place tends to be crowded beyond belief unless it involves some sort of overpriced charge. And now homeless are all over the place and you never know what kind of mental case you are walking by when you are out with your kids.

Good idea.

Especially if you have schoolagers.

The hypercompetitive K-12 in "good" (ie, high standardized test scoring) schools is toxic.

B.A.C.A.H. says

The hypercompetitive K-12 in "good" (ie, high standardized test scoring) schools is toxic.

I talked with a school psychologist, and she told me about high school nervous break downs in the better public schools. The Tiger Moms and Brahmins have their curvy daggers held to the throats of their spawns to succeed or else. They have had hundreds of years to perfect intimidating, conditional relationships to preserve their families against the hordes of garbage crawling masses.

Of course, one could always appear to be a shining genius at the gold star hood schools, if the kids don't get crab bucketed and executed before graduation.

At least it's a dry heat. Good luck.

RC2006 says

require dealing with traffic and crowds. When I go hiking I have to hike miles away from any parking spot to avoid

Additionally, many local hiking spots in the Bay Area suffer from lack of parking. Or, at least, not nearly enough parking to accommodate the enormous quantity of visitors. I find that once you are a few miles from the nearest entrance, the crowds die down just fine.

For sure, in the Arizona desert, a few miles from the nearest entrance, the crowds will also die fast.

Bye! Bon Voyage! Enjoy the desert!

Congrats on the life decision. You won't regret it - especially if you own a business.

We bugged out 3 years ago and are constantly amazed at how much extra $$ we have now. Paid cash for the house and vehicles, life is good. I save 75% of my take home and could save about 80-85% if I wanted to.

You may miss the ocean and moderate weather, but you'll quickly remember the hoards of homeless, mass immigration, psychotic liberals, the she men, Nancy Pelosi and gov debt problem.

joshuatrio says

We bugged out 3 years ago

Where did you end up going?

@joshuatrio My wife has always lived in San Diego, so she was pretty nervous about doing this, and your success story was always in the back of my mind when I told her about people who left and didn't look back.

RC2006 says

If I didn't get my house at bottom my family would have moved years ago. Wife and I still plan to leave once kids are older, but who knows this subject comes up so much maybe sooner, our friends that have already jumped ship seem to have a happier lives and their children are doing well. This place is a rat race, and the rats just keep piling up.

fully agreed - beautiful nature, good for single life work hard party hard fuck hard, but once you're ready to settle you gotta get out of this toxic leftoid-infused rat-race. There are places in CA you can move to as well but you won't escape they high taxes that way, just partially the rat race and some of the batshit crazy bay area "politics".

Good for you. I hope it works out well for you and your family.

NuttBoxer says

I had always assumed a six figure salary would mean I'd made it when I was younger, even if it was low six figures. That is no longer the case in California

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/families-earning-117000-now-qualify-as-low-income-in-californias-bay-area/

Families earning $117,000 now qualify as "low income" in California's Bay Area

This morning in SF a big guy - not a pansy - in his suit on his way to work was knocked out cold in a swift surprise move from behind followed by a hard punch in the face with a knuckle-ring by some coked out criminal asshole thug. While his blood was running onto Market Street the cops/ambulance took some time to arrive and only a private security guard stood by. Leave this shithole to the leftoids but if you come down here with your family you better be armed and ready to shoot. Unless you bring in a Giuliani style cleansing MAGA Trump government this city is done. And remember: being White and a productive member of society is OK! ;)

RC2006 says

joshuatrio says

We bugged out 3 years ago

Where did you end up going?

I believe he's outside of Atlanta, GA

Down with the Rednecks. Talk about a culture shock when leaving CA, right?

Was actually considering Austin for a while as cultural fit would have been a lot closer, heard Phoenix is a bit more conservative. But a three day drive or long flight would mean not as many trips back to visit family.

Be careful of Realtor's trying to jack-up prices of Phoenix Real Estate.

This is what I would buy if I were moving to San Antonio. Fast growing 78256 area.

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/422-Aster-Trl-San-Antonio-TX-78256/63727479_zpid/

mell says

While his blood was running onto Market Street the cops/ambulance took some time to arrive and only a private security guard stood by.

I remember reading on Quora about ' Leaving SF'. One guy said he waited a little too long because he was thinking about it then was KO'd by a homeless stick up creep, who crushed his cheekbone, and partially, permanently blinded him in one eye. Of course, he left.

NuttBoxer says

Was actually considering Austin for a while as cultural fit would have been a lot closer, heard Phoenix is a bit more conservative. But a three day drive or long flight would mean not as many trips back to visit family.

Havent spent much time in SF, but Austin has it's own issues. Not as many economic homeless, but the warm environment and hill country hideaways attract bums from all over the country. Lots of petty theft and weird drugged out types. Seems like more of the city is homeless and in your face than in Chicago where I suppose the cold keeps them limited.

The people here are largely hipster, skinny jean wearing losers who like terrible music and spend their time getting drunk/high/etc...

Loser culture is strong here.

My opinion is every vacuum creates an opportunity. Easy to bang hottest girl in a bar here. Behave like a real man, point out the idiocy of the intersectional faggots... then when they argue simply point around you to all the hipster losers and ask "who do you think is winning in life? These clowns or me?" ... then add "wanna know why? Cause I respect reality and act accordingly" .

They will pretend to joust w you, but in her head shes already sucking your alpha male D

CBOEtrader says

They will pretend to joust w you, but in her head shes already sucking your alpha male D

Heh, Heh!

Ceffer says

mell says

While his blood was running onto Market Street the cops/ambulance took some time to arrive and only a private security guard stood by.

I remember reading on Quora about ' Leaving SF'. One guy said he waited a little too long because he was thinking about it then was KO'd by a homeless stick up creep, who crushed his cheekbone, and partially, permanently blinded him in one eye. Of course, he left.

Wow. I can tell you in 20 years things have gotten progressively (pun intended) worse. Better years were 2000-2007.

NuttBoxer says

But a three day drive or long flight would mean not as many trips back to visit family.

For some dysfunctional families, that could be a big benefit!

Some CA guys are buying places in Florida but with care to avoid the crowds and the geezers. There still exist such places.

In my locale it's a 6 minute drive to a gorgeous beach on the Atlantic with free parking and showers to rinse the sand and salt off you.

The summer high temperature is about 92 which is uncomfortable but that lasts about 6 weeks in mid summer. Rain in the afternoon tends to cool things down during that season.

The nice thing about summer is that about 40% of the people depart so there is no traffic. I recall last summer one afternoon stopping in the middle of Hwy 1 bridge to take a picture of the Jupiter lighthouse.

Scuba diving, fishing, and kiteboarding conditions are excellent as is the beach in general. Spring break, summer break, Christmas break female thong achievers are all over.

clambo says

Some CA guys are buying places in Florida but with care to avoid the crowds and the geezers. There still exist such places.

Where?

clambo says

In my locale it's a 6 minute drive to a gorgeous beach on the Atlantic with free parking and showers to rinse the sand and salt off you.

The summer high temperature is about 92 which is uncomfortable

Already used to that in Maryland.

#fuckcalifornia

To anyone leaving California, remember the shit birds that voted all the lunacy into office.

Do the opposite of them when you leave and you’ll be okay.

I love Northern Florida. I have a large studio with a separate eat-in-kitchen half a block from the beach and it wasn't even 6 figures. Even in January the traffic isn't bad. Half an hour to Orlando and everything you can imagine in terms of fun from Disney to Buffets to Swing Clubs. Literally be at the beach from my front door without a car in 3-5 minutes. Elementary School is 4th in the State. 90% White and Delightsome, only 3% speak Spanish, much different than South Florida. Population is almost entirely Blue Origen, NASA, SpaceX, employees. Leans Republican. Has a Charter School based on Classical Education run by Hillsdale College. Ron Jon HQ is 2 blocks from my house.

clambo says

Some CA guys are buying places in Florida but with care to avoid the crowds and the geezers. There still exist such places.

I met a California guy at the Miami Boat show a few years ago. He couldn't believe how cheap it was to live on the beach, buy and own a boat, etc. relative to California, couldn't wait for the next years to be over so he could move out permanently.

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

I love Northern Florida. I have a large studio with a separate eat-in-kitchen half a block from the beach and it wasn't even 6 figures. Even in January the traffic isn't bad. Half an hour to Orlando and everything you can imagine in terms of fun from Disney to Buffets to Swing Clubs. Literally be at the beach from my front door without a car in 3-5 minutes. Elementary School is 4th in the State. 90% White and Delightsome, only 3% speak Spanish, much different than South Florida. Population is almost entirely Blue Origen, NASA, SpaceX, employees. Leans Republican. Has a Charter School based on Classical Education run by Hillsdale College.

I spend some time in the Clearwater area and loved it. Considering that area for retirement.

TwoScoopsOfSpaceForce says

I love Northern Florida. I have a large studio with a separate eat-in-kitchen half a block from the beach and it wasn't even 6 figures. Even in January the traffic isn't bad. Half an hour to Orlando and everything you can imagine in terms of fun from Disney to Buffets to Swing Clubs. Literally be at the beach from my front door without a car in 3-5 minutes. Elementary School is 4th in the State. 90% White and Delightsome, only 3% speak Spanish, much different than South Florida. Population is almost entirely Blue Origen, NASA, SpaceX, employees. Leans Republican.

That and Delaware are high on my list of retirement places. Metro Jacksonville someplace (in vague terms) high enough off sea level and bike ride-able to the beach would seem ideal

I'm not an expert on Florida since I have never been around much. But here's what I can say I've seen so far.

The spot I like is where Tiger Woods, Bobby Orr, Joe Namath, Greg Norman, Michael Jordan, McElroy and others live. They are at the northern border of Palm Beach County or into Martin County.

The TV news guys call places by "coast"; just north of Palm Beach county is called "the treasure coast" (Spanish ships sank off the beach), farther north to Cape Canaveral is "space coast".

Both of these areas are nice; however the ocean water is much bluer and clearer in Palm Beach and Martin County as the Gulf Stream passes out to sea as you go northward on the coast. See the map of Florida and there it bulges out to the east is where the Gulf Stream is hitting the coast. The gulf stream is a constant current of clear, warm blue water.

This makes the scuba diving very good because it's fairly productive off the coast with lots of game fish swimming, lots of turtles, sharks, etc. to see in addition to those pretty aquarium fish.

Fishing is excellent and Stuart FL is called the "sailfish capital of the world". I don't want one but they are out there in addition to other game fish.

Guys who have the dough (and there are tons of them) drive small boats over to the Bahamas in just a few hours when the water is flat which is often.

The negative is that people are flocking to Florida's East coast from New York, New Jersey, CT , Boston and you hear the accents and see Yankees hats, Red Sox hats, gold chains, Patriots jerseys, etc. around. The others flocking to the area are Haitians, Jamaicans, Cubans, Colombians, and Guatemalans.

The food choices are vastly superior to Santa Cruz CA, it's not even close. The service you receive is also vastly superior; I am treated kindly by everyone I do any business with.

I have heard some good things about Florida's Gulf Coast but the Gulf is not going to be as blue and the summers will be hotter, but the immigrants there are reported to be from the midwest so nicer to be around them maybe.

If you are a male chauvinist pig there are some more choices for females in Florida too; lots of divorcees and others who may forgive you being older are running around.