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Patrick says

Yes, they were.

Accent is totally wrong as well, as part of the joke.

It sounded like Ozzy

richwicks says

They didn't call from cell phones. They called from the airline's air phones.

I imagine there is all kinds of gaslighting and obfuscation around the issue, but along the flight paths there was little possibility of unbroken cell phone calls from air to ground with tech of the time. That and the lack of airplane noise led to the implication that the cell phones were likely used when the planes were parked on the ground i.e. at some point the planes with passengers were landed and hangared. Later generation cell phones with better cell phone tower coverage could, of course, better be used to make phone calls from planes.

One analyst addressed the issue of cell phones from in flight planes pretty extensively in one of the books, but, of course, it's one of the evidences that everybody chooses to ignore.

Implication is, of course that the passengers were landed, hangared and killed in some manner, while remote control drones and rockets were used for the rest of the 9/11 job. The authorities, of course, would forge any evidence they wanted around the issue, but the cell phone calls were documented and got out there before they could be covered up. The cell phone calls were a loose end.

Ceffer says

I imagine there is all kinds of gaslighting and obfuscation around the issue,

Exactly.

Part of propaganda is to lead you into dead ends. I know you, have met you, I have no problem with you, but you're going down a dead end.

I went down the physics route, that's fine, but I am no expert in structural engineering, a much easier path is going down the money trail people involved. You don't need to figure out what happened, that's a monumental task, you just need to know they lied. It's really enough to know that NIST wouldn't release their finite element simulation of WTC7's collapse - heck it was enough to see that what they produced was NOTHING like we saw in the collapse.

Remember, our media feeds us false information CONSTANTLY. We can't even be certain there were ANY phone calls. I have the freedom to be fairly confident that our media doesn't even bother to try to report the truth, I know this with certainty, and I can show you examples if you like, I've shown them many times. They just read teleprompters. They have no clue and they don't care about being accurate or truthful.

Ceffer says

Implication is, of course that the passengers were landed, hangared and killed in some manner, while remote control drones and rockets were used for the rest of the 9/11 job.

Why NOT kill all the people on the plane by ramming them into a building? Why make it more complicated than it needs to be?

There are TONS of research on all aspects of 9/11. One set of studies showed that the speeds of the 'planes' that hit the towers would have been nigh impossible for a even a skilled pilot, and shear forces would have torn the wings off of the alleged craft before they reached the buildings. They were featureless gray drones, not passenger airplanes.
https://youtu.be/-fMc50imEI8

Bad Tube video This video is by a guy who BUILT skyscrapers in New York. He says WTC were two of the most solid buildings in the world at the time.

Neocon psychopathic arrogance and madness hits a new tone deaf high note. Out-Klausing Klaus?:
https://t.me/drawandstrikechannel/55858

Ceffer says

What were the police, investigators, judges and the so called justice system doing?

Patrick says

Towards the Democratic Party alone.

Given that both parties have merged into one. McConnell, Graham etc. will get their slice of the pie but there will be one party.

Ceffer says

There are TONS of research on all aspects of 9/11. One set of studies showed that the speeds of the 'planes' that hit the towers would have been nigh impossible for a even a skilled pilot, and shear forces would have torn the wings off of the alleged craft before they reached the buildings. They were featureless gray drones, not passenger airplanes.

119 people multiplied by their average weight, the luggage for 119 people, and the weight of two wings full of Jet Fuel had to account for some Ass behind that hit.
The Boeing website states that this model, with a gas tank capacity of 63,500 gallons
Density. In performance calculations, airliner manufacturers use a density of jet fuel around 6.7 lb/USgal

Extra weight of people = 5 tons
Extra weight of their luggage = 2 to 3 tons
Jet fuel = 211 tons
People talk about the Jets like they were empty.
The plane empty without passengers or fuel weighs about as much as the fuel.

So that's over 430 tons. Or 860,000 lbs. Not a bug hitting the windshield scenario.

This talk that planes didn't fly into the buildings, goes against what I saw on the news live, and what friends of mine in New York at the time saw on the ground.

Ceffer says

There are TONS of research on all aspects of 9/11. One set of studies showed that the speeds of the 'planes' that hit the towers would have been nigh impossible for a even a skilled pilot, and shear forces would have torn the wings off of the alleged craft before they reached the buildings. They were featureless gray drones, not passenger airplanes.

WTF?

Ceffer says

There are TONS of research on all aspects of 9/11

That does bring up a good point. There has been tons of research suggesting that the world is flat, but it does not make it so.
Just because something is researched does not mean all facts have been established in their findings. Research tends to be biased by those financing the research only looking for the results they want to see.

Ceffer says

They were featureless gay drones

Gay drones? Now this is getting scary.

Tenpoundbass says

Ceffer says

There are TONS of research on all aspects of 9/11

That does bring up a good point. There has been tons of research suggesting that the world is flat, but it does not make it so.
Just because something is researched does not mean all facts have been established in their findings. Research tends to be biased by those financing the research only looking for the results they want to see.

The only thing which matters is whether YOU like the findings. If you do, STOP ASKING QUESTIONS AND JUST ROLL WITH IT!

gabbar says

Patrick says

Towards the Democratic Party alone.

Given that both parties have merged into one. McConnell, Graham etc. will get their slice of the pie but there will be one party.

I agree that the large majority of Republicans are also part of the Uniparty, but at least some of them seem to be outside it, mainly those endorsed by Trump.

On the other hand, 100% of Democrats are part of the Uniparty.

Trump/MAGA is really the alternative to the Uniparty.

Ceffer says

This is getting out of hand and is approaching doxing.

I think he's just being friendly. I don't see how it identifies you.

I'll delete my posts. Ignore is the answer and will short circuit this baloney.

RC2006 says

I have a friend in Switzerland that spent most of his adult life in Italy.

He says she's a fraud, like how O-Bomb-A was elected to end the stupid wars that George W. Bush lied us into, and then started 5 more. We'll see.

richwicks says

RC2006 says

I have a friend in Switzerland that spent most of his adult life in Italy.

He says she's a fraud, like how O-Bomb-A was elected to end the stupid wars that George W. Bush lied us into, and then started 5 more. We'll see.

Yep, the war is imminent:

More Biden Actor awakening, LOL!
https://t.me/BenjaminFulfordWDSGroup/76255

Things getting hot for the Illuminati?:
https://t.me/BenjaminFulfordWDSGroup/76275

Not to mention the murder of American citizens on 9/11:

Ceffer says

Not to mention the murder of American citizens on 9/11:

It's Reagan who killed the USSR. Give credit where credit is due.

Tenpoundbass says

19 people multiplied by their average weight, the luggage for 119 people, and the weight of two wings full of Jet Fuel had to account for some Ass behind that hit.
The Boeing website states that this model, with a gas tank capacity of 63,500 gallons
Density. In performance calculations, airliner manufacturers use a density of jet fuel around 6.7 lb/USgal

Extra weight of people = 5 tons
Extra weight of their luggage = 2 to 3 tons
Jet fuel = 211 tons
People talk about the Jets like they were empty.
The plane empty without passengers or fuel weighs about as much as the fuel.

Correction:
What is the FAA standard weight for avgas?
6 pounds per gallon.

Boeing 767 per website have fuel capacity of 23,980 gallons. By the end of destination fuel tanks are almost EMPTY.

What is Jet Fuel?
Jet fuel is a carefully refined, kerosene-based fuel used in aviation turbine engines, due to low freezing point.

From one point you have weight and speed of jet and from another incredible resistance of steel cage and concrete of the building. Something to consider.

Steel-framed buildings are inherently resistant to progressive collapse, where the loss of single building element due to an extreme event could lead to more widespread damage. Multi-span rigid frames: These use beams and pillars, just like single-span construction. However, by implementing columns for interior support, they can provide nearly unlimited strength.
The most probable and logic version is that there were no planes involved at all. No in Twin Towers, No in Pentagon, No in Pennsylvania. No realistic plane debris anywhere (except photoshop). No plane matches the hole created anywhere. Wings in Twin Towers cuts steel lake a butter, but in Pentagon somehow get folded (good joke).

Applying Newton's law, action vs. reaction, try to Imagin reversal situation: Now the building fly with plane speed and hitting standing still aluminum plane right in his nose. What would happen to the plane?

Ceffer says

Not to mention the murder of American citizens on 9/11:

They would be an internal revolution if they didn't go to war.

@REpro says


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