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Ok kak, let's try again.

Please point out 1 example of JP's bad data or pseudo science that "riddles" his arguments.

Kakistocracy says

He isn't on the right, then where is he ?

He’s actually a liberal. But he’s garnered a lot of respect from conservatives because he has made the choice to speak the truth only, not dissembling, not hiding behind semantics to defend an indefensible point, but looking honestly at human behavior and social structures which attempt to regulate it. He’s the most honest man in psychology, and it’s the reason he’s garnered so much hate from the Leftists.

As you know, Leftists are left-leaning conservatives who hate the idea of someone holding different views than they do. They will commit any atrocity to silence free speech or free thought, and view promotion of their ideas or narratives as the highest virtue.

To such people, a free-thinking classical liberal like JP is complete anaethema. And to make things even worse, he’s promoting the heinous idea (especially to young directionless men) that they should take responsibility for their own lives and also take responsibility for other people in their power to assist.

Yes I read his book. A bit dense, but full of good ideas. And while the rules sometimes sound arbitrary, they’re underpinned by deep psychological truths, violated at your own peril.

CBOEtrader says

ease point out 1 example of JP's bad data or pseudo science that "riddles" his arguments.

In all fairness, when he goes off into Jungian dreamland, Peterson can be a bit wacky. Sometimes two snakes procreating is just two reptiles have sex.
That said, JBP is pretty solid with his science. If he's stating a conjecture or hypothesis, he'll usually be upfront about it.

Cambridge roofied Jordan, made him wear a woman's wig, and instilled by hypnotic suggestion that he didn't have a penis.

Fucking Commies!

CBOEtrader says

Please point out 1 example of JP's bad data or pseudo science that "riddles" his arguments.

JP is wrong "because I disagree with him"

CBOEtrader says

Ok kak, let's try again.

Let's not - gave u your 3 minutes of attention today. If I wanted to discuss anything with u, u would not be on ignore.

Patrick says

The Left really has just one tactic that they use over and over: "misrepresent and shame" as James Damore put it.

1. misrepresent the point you are making
2. shame you for it, even though it is a misrepresentation of what you're saying

That is the holy high ground of the right.

You are either with us or against - America right or wrong.

Disagree and you are a commie, un-American, anarchist, subversive

Twist it up and restate even though it is a misrepresentation of what was said - be sure to invoke a god and or the bible - both if possible and call anyone not on board an Islamic sympathizer in addition to all of the other things

d6rB says

JP is wrong "because I disagree with him"

JP is an polished up version of Milo and others - same old shit form the Milo was persecuted routines

Does this guy or doesn't he have a problem with the movie Frozen for being SJW material ?

He says he is not of the alt-right, but has said, “If men are pushed too hard to feminize, they will become more and more interested in harsh, fascist political ideology.”

Same old shit, not a new anything, just a more PC version of Milo and Richard Spencer

Moi is a commie subversive for not agreeing with Peterson and questioning him or anyone on this thread who supports and believes in him.

d6rB says

JP is wrong "because I disagree with him"

JP is one more in a long list of Milos and there will be more after him - and there will be another post about the shameful outrageous treatment they have recieved

Kakistocracy says

CBOEtrader says

Ok kak, let's try again.

Let's not -

That's what we expected.

Kakistocracy says

questioning him

Please question his ideas instead of producing blanket statements that

Kakistocracy says

JP is an polished up version of Milo and others - same old shit form the Milo was persecuted routines

personal

Anybody whose seen JP for a minute knows the Milo comparison is complete crap.

Aside from differences of worldview, their fundamental approach is 180.

personal

You would think Kakistocracy would be ecstatic that someone like Peterson is preaching the gospel of evo pysch to the students of Liberty University.

Quigley says

All ego, no substance.

From the person who told me not too long ago "I am probably the smartest person you know" that is really funny - stupid but funny.

EBGuy says

You would think Kakistocracy would be ecstatic that someone like Peterson is preaching the gospel of evo pysch to the students of Liberty University.

The Left hates Evo Psych as much as they hate Judeo-Christianity.

Both postulate actors on the state of humanity that make a "Blank Slate" to socially engineer infeasible, albeit from different angles.

I've been a big fan of JP since a good while before he blew up.

He's not comparable at all to the provocateur Milo. That's just silly.

You could watch Peterson's debates with Sam Harris if you wanted to learn more about him. Or many of his lectures that have been posted going way back. His big academic book was "Maps of Meaning."

He likes to talk about Dostoevsky, Nietzsche, Jung, archetypes, Myths, and value that stories have in our finding meaning in life.

He makes very solid arguments against Marxism and certain aspects of post modernism as it was twisted in the decades after marxism was a proven failure. . His thesis (which is only that) is that a lot of the craziness on the left can be traced to these.

I'm way oversimplifying, but the reason for his popularity is that his message fits with these crazy times. As for his being a darling of the right ? To the extent that that's true, its a very good thing, becasue he is a moderating influence. If wish the right worshiped JP, becasue he would point them in the right direction.

But also, the extent that a guy like him can be considered right wing, is purely a rather extreme example of how fucked up the left is these days. That is, any leftists that believe that are way too close minded, and not part of a left that I want to have anything to do with. . It underlines the departure of the left from what it meant 50 years ago.

The truth is, JP is a pragmatst and very middle of the road. The only time I've see him show a slight bit of what seemed like right wing bias was when answering a question about climate change. He didn't deny it, but he questioned how we can deal with it any faster than we are. And he questioned it in general. Sadly, I felt that one time, he was sucking up to the right a little bit, but maybe it was an off day, that he could manage a more balanced answer to an audience question.

Still I'm very impressed with the guy. Very quick on his toes, extremely intelligent, and he'll give you food for thought if you aren't closed minded. I agree with him 98% of the time. And I have a reputation of being a liberal around here. Go figure.

Maybe one of the main reasons I like him is the same reason Kak doesn't. That is, I like his view on religion. He makes the argument that I tried to make with Dan years ago, much better than I ever did. Very well constructed and totally consistent with my pov. Where as we know from recent posts that Kak is a hard core dogmatic atheist. JP's big debate with Sam Harris is centered on this subject. I'm guessing it's something Kak would never listen to, even though Harris is advocating very well for Kak's view.

If it's not that, then the other reason some leftists don't like him, is that he takes issue with the ugly fucked up part of the left. That is the over the top identity nonsense that prevents the left from being politically successful. That's my other favorite thing about JP. I want to see that part of the left (which is mostly on college campuses) squashed before it grows. Jp's insights and popularity are helping in that battle - especially as he gets main stream popularity.

Kakistocracy says

Why does the Trump support team embrace socialism when it benefits them directly but not so much when someone else benefits

You mean like illegal aliens who bring down wages and take some jobs away from American citizens?

WillPowers says

You mean like illegal aliens who bring down wages and take some jobs away from American citizens?

No - the socialism so near and dear to the hearts of the GOP voters like the farmers in fly over country who realize all of this flooding is putting a world of hurt on them, on top of the tariffs so now they want the government to come in and bail them out.

WillPowers says

You mean like illegal aliens who bring down wages

The same type of illegals that were employed by the Trump organization, the god king of so many commenters until the media spotlight caused a red face moment for the organization.

Be nice if someone were to lead by example instead of do what I say and not what I do

CBOEtrader says

Try actually discussing something. It's why we're here (the rest of us at least)

Really - Then it is not really this by CBOETrader ?

"Tired of picking on Marcus" - https://patrick.net/post/1323347/2019-03-23-tired-of-picking-on-marcus

Kind of leaning to the option I just cited. Both for CBOETrader and several others - quite a few others actually

CBOEtrader says

(You cant)

I did. https://patrick.net/post/1323785/2019-04-09-tales-from-the-right-aka-the-appeal-of-jordon-peterson-soon-to-be-labeled-a-hit-piece

and that concludes the attention you will get from me today.

Kakistocracy says

Don't care what u think, otherwise I would have you off ignore wouldn't I ?

So glad you're ignoring me. I would hate to be the victim of long cut and paste screeds.

Kakistocracy says

Let's not - gave u your 3 minutes of attention today. If I wanted to discuss anything with u, u would not be on ignore.

Nobody really cares if you ignore them or not. But it is pathetic that you respond to people you claim to ignore. Sad.

Kakistocracy says

From the person who told me not too long ago "I am probably the smartest person you know" that is really funny - stupid but funny.

Man, this is why you fail. I said “most educated,” not smartest. I know I’m not the smartest person ever, well above average but no true genius. My only real advantage has always been persistence.

Care to flag any more of my posts personal that aren’t but still destroy your arguments?

@Patrick i suspect Kaki is abusing his flag button. I’m not going to post here if he can just delete anything I post.

Kaki is Dan. Welcome back Dan.

FortWayneIndiana says

Kaki is Dan. Welcome back Dan

Don't think so, Dan was more prone to discuss facts.

marcus says

JP's big debate with Sam Harris is centered on this subject.

Yeah SH and JP missed each other a bit. They couldn't agree on the concept of reality.

Therefore, does GOD exist? Neither was wrong

marcus says

The truth is, JP is a pragmatst and very middle of the road.

Exactly.

His arguments against equality defined as "equality of outcome" vs "equality of opportunity" are rock solid.

They both pasted long ass copy paste jobs.

I could be wrong though.

d6rB says

FortWayneIndiana says

Kaki is Dan. Welcome back Dan

Don't think so, Dan was more prone to discuss facts.

personal

Quigley says

Care to flag any more of my posts personal that aren’t but still destroy your arguments?

Everytime u slide in a personal attack with the rest of the verbiage - flag.

Kakistocracy says

Quigley says

Care to flag any more of my posts personal that aren’t but still destroy your arguments?

Everytime u slide in a personal attack with the rest of the verbiage - flag.

Yet again Kak, you attack others PERSONALLY when they attack your ARGUMENT, yet flag the others as personal. Kak needs his flagging rights removed

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d6rB says

JP is wrong "because I disagree with him"

JP is a shill who has tapped into the political fervor of the moment and is smart enough to milk it monetarily while the getting is good.

HIs 12 rules is old shit repackaged - and I do not buy into the all of the other shit he uses to keep his followers coming back.

Kakistocracy says

JP is a shill who has tapped into the political fervor of the moment and is smart enough to milk it monetarily while the getting is good.

Even if that is true, it does not make him alt-right like Milo.

Quigley says

Patrick i suspect Kaki is abusing his flag button. I’m not going to post here if he can just delete anything I post.

@Quigley I think he did have a point at least in the latest flag. It was personal.

But he also makes personal comments, so please flag those.

Let's just discuss ideas rather than the people making them.