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Unfortunately China is not a credible source of information but what we do know suggests they are scared. We just put our trip to Taiwan off until further notice

They already had a few cases in the US and could study them - the virus is anywhere from mild to severe but not deadly unless immunocompromised. It's not a pandemic. Still these type of coronoavirus lung infections are nasty and you don't want to catch it.

The real question is, how long we hold the evolution with pharma.

Almost 1,000 cases and more than 40 deaths

1st patient that was seemingly healthy before died but all others were 60 or older or had pre-existing conditions. Europe and the US are pretty good at Quarantines and it surely is less infectious than Ebola. Theoretically they should be able to contain it by requiring people not to have close contact with others and maintaining good hygiene (wash hands etc.). It's just too crowded over there in many provinces. Hope they get it under control in China.

Heraclitusstudent says

Almost 1,000 cases and more than 40 deaths

It was 830 cases yesterday and 25 deaths. It’s going up fast. My Chinese friend said the rich folks knew about this and fled months ago. The people spreading the news got arrested for spreading “fake news.” 😂😂😂

Human race needs a virus that can take out half of population, preferably striking fastest growing populations the hardest.

It's been around for over a month 1000 cases is nothing.
China will use it to crush the Hong Kong uprising, in the name of public health.
And the rest of the world will use it as a mandate to force Flu shots for the next 6 years.
I'm still waiting for the Sars, HN1, Avian Flu and all of the other hyped up medical cases to actually yield a world wide pandemic.


The Fact is there will never be another Swine Flu epidemic like in the early 1900's ever again. The world for the most part is too developed.
In the early 1900's and earlier, most streets worldwide were not paved, many people didn't even have sewer systems. Many cities were still tossing their piss pot out into the street every morning. People lived in leaky shanty and shacks that leaked like a sieve, the streets were wet, your house was wet. There was no where to get out of the bad weather and take care of yourself. By time you made it to the hospital pneumonia had already taken hold. Millions of people died world wide as a result. By the 1976 epidemic and subsequent outbreaks, cases are measured in the thousands, and deaths are measured by the hundreds.

Unless our infrastructure breaks down and people go back to living like they did before modern times, I don't think influenza will ever be as bad as it was then.
Ebola, Plague, and the types of bugs that give you pox and liquefies your inside, are the ones that scare me.
The WHO couldn't be bothered the last Ebola outbreak. So they have zero credibility with me.
I don't trust a damn thing those lying commie mother fuckers say for one minute.

Tenpoundbass says

China will use it to crush the Hong Kong uprising, in the name of public health.

What are the uses of biologic terrorism? Controlling your own population perhaps? Speculation is that it came from China's own bio weapons labs.

If you think about it, unleashing a severe, but just moderately lethal, pathogen on a rebellious populace, to which authorities already have a vaccine (for selected individuals?), is a great way to impose martial law and terrify people into not congregating. The limited lethality could also be used as a cover for selective assassinations by poison but under color of the epidemic. Plenty of survivors, so just the cost of rule?

Of course, worse things have been done by governments to their own people to hold power. Any other populations that contract it are just collateral damage and weakening them isn't such a bad thing, anyway.

Shaman says

put a few metal spikes on your front bumper

Never forget the metal spikes! Never ever forget them!

China reminds me of the Looney Toons Tasmanian Devil episode, Bugs reads what the devil eats and it’s a long list.

Ceffer says

What are the uses of biologic terrorism? Controlling your own population perhaps? Speculation is that it came from China's own bio weapons labs.

Perhaps, but the point is this outbreak is not as cause for the global concern that it is, I hope I'm not wrong.
But on the face of what is actually being reported, this isn't as bad a regular flu season outbreak. 23 deaths is nothing in the scheme of things.
There's a rumor saying it's really bad and the real numbers aren't being reported. Yet we're getting video of people either laying on the ground, or falling face first but breaking their fall with their arms. It's the same 3 or 4 videos being share over and over. If this was a widespread as rumors report, there would be more videos than the same few I've seen for the last two days. Also I saw a fake news site with a picture from some apocalyptic outbreak movie, with thousands of people in body bags. With small print under it, saying Illustrative Portrayal.

The flu sickens more than 10 million Americans each year and kills between 5000-50000 or more Americans every year and many more worldwide. Just to put this into perspective. Have a Corona without the virus.

Around 2000 cases, 56 deaths.

That is WAAAAAY higher mortality rate than the flu or any other virus that isn’t behind the walls of a maximum containment facility. That’s almost 3%.

Check out this short video clip explaining the coronavirus. I think this virus is underestimated. The incubation period is 5 days or so. By the time we know about it, it’s days 9-14. I hope our minimal US infected numbers hold, or our government should consider banning all flights from China if it gets worse. I hope I am wrong.

There are some info floating out there in Chinese with the medical staff claiming the actual infected people in China is over 90,000.

www.youtube.com/embed/Nk5P_iRYwTY

This is scary.
I’m gonna be a hermit for a while I think, no crowds for me.

Here’s the article where a nurse treating coronavirus claimed 90,000 people infected.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7929657/Nurse-treating-coronavirus-sufferers-China-claims-90-000-people-infected.html

From the article:

“The news was announced on Saturday as three doctors in Beijing were reported to have been infected with the coronavirus, according to state media China National Radio. Among the three confirmed cases, which were diagnosed on Tuesday and Saturday, two were back from Wuhan and the third did not go there but was sitting next to one doctor back from Wuhan in a meeting in Beijing.”

Sitting next to someone who is infected got him infected. The infected doctor was likely during the incubation period where he showed no sign of fever or whatsoever.

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/society/article/3047655/chinas-communist-party-sets-leading-group-handle-coronavirus

Cases in OC CA.

So, who here is stocking up on N95 masks?

Heraclitusstudent says

Around 2000 cases, 56 deaths.

Am I the only one that sees what a huge nothing burger this virus is. 2000 cases for a bug that spread around China, Asia, Europe and America.
That's nothing, not even microscopic in global scheme of things.

HeadSet says

So, who here is stocking up on N95 masks?

Ha was just talking to coworker about putting in an order to Granger, its FOB city around here.

Tenpoundbass says

Heraclitusstudent says

Around 2000 cases, 56 deaths.

Am I the only one that sees what a huge nothing burger this virus is. 2000 cases for a bug that spread around China, Asia, Europe and America.
That's nothing, not even microscopic in global scheme of things.

I'd agree if accurate numbers are being given. This thing has two week incubation period that gives it a long time to move around and spread. Going to cull a lot of elderly and people with other conditions if it goes wild.

Edit: Was wrong incubation only 3days

RC2006 says

Tenpoundbass says

Heraclitusstudent says

Around 2000 cases, 56 deaths.

Am I the only one that sees what a huge nothing burger this virus is. 2000 cases for a bug that spread around China, Asia, Europe and America.
That's nothing, not even microscopic in global scheme of things.

I'd agree if accurate numbers are being given. This thing has two week incubation period that gives it a long time to move around and spread. Going to cull a lot of elderly and people with other conditions if it goes wild.

Edit: Was wrong incubation only 3days

The numbers may be underreported in China but not here, and though it seems highly infectious (mouth and potentially eyes) it still is less infectious than Ebola and the flu. So it seems very exaggerated at this point. It may unfortunately get a lot of older and immunocompromised people in China but can't see it making a dent in the Western world - so far all the patients in the Western world are either stable or doing well. Definitely flight restrictions and quarantines are in order though until we know more.

RC2006 says

HeadSet says

So, who here is stocking up on N95 masks?

Ha was just talking to coworker about putting in an order to Granger, its FOB city around here.

Unless you're in a hospital setting or maybe public transit, very close proximity with bad ventilation masks are a waste. Just avoid crowds and wash your hands at all times, esp. before touching your face. Same precautions as for the flu.

So far the growth is around 60% a day.

Projecting this, it will be a million cases in 2 weeks.

They will ban travels to Asia unless absolutely necessary, ask people to work from home where they can, and maybe close schools.

mell says

RC2006 says

HeadSet says

So, who here is stocking up on N95 masks?

Ha was just talking to coworker about putting in an order to Granger, its FOB city around here.

Unless you're in a hospital setting or maybe public transit, very close proximity with bad ventilation masks are a waste. Just avoid crowds and wash your hands at all times, esp. before touching your face. Same precautions as for the flu.

I was just going to wear one to be an asshole, then use it for bathroom demo.

Heraclitusstudent says

So far the growth is around 60% a day.

Projecting this, it will be a million cases in 2 weeks.

They will ban travels to Asia unless absolutely necessary, ask people to work from home where they can, and maybe close schools.

They should. Most business travel to Asia here from the bay area has already been canceled. It's been growing at a faster rate in China of course since it was undiagnosed for a while and due to the proximity of so many people to each other. It won't reach a million cases if the Chinese numbers are anywhere near accurate.

Of course Zh speculates up to "5MM potential carriers" have left the Wuhan region already. Best quote is this though:

"After Friday's selloff, we imagine investors will be paying close attention to news out of Wuhan as it completely overshadows other 'important' domestic news stories, like the Dems impeachment debacle, or the fact that Bernie Sanders is now on track to win Iowa and New Hampshire."

Anybody care for the impeachment trial? No. lol

China is asshoe!

Booger says

China is asshoe!

best password ever!

Heraclitusstudent says

So far the growth is around 60% a day.

Projecting this, it will be a million cases in 2 weeks.

They will ban travels to Asia unless absolutely necessary, ask people to work from home where they can, and maybe close schools.

Not saying you're wrong at all, but what are your sources? I don't believe shit that comes out of China. They have the tech and knowledge to track this stuff, but I don't trust that they use it correctly, whether intentionally so or by stupidity of who they put in charge of tracking it. My guess is the numbers are vastly underreported and maybe they're catching up with their bullshit.

I also don't trust medical or mortality statistics for any country. Like you voluntarily admit that people have a higher probability of death by living there versus other places.

Two sick now in Socal, now just waiting for the first case here in the Bay Area. With the diversity here and world travel the way it is I guarantee there's someone here with the virus.

https://www.sfgate.com/news/medical/article/Health-officials-confirm-case-of-new-virus-in-15005174.php