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That sucks, but we still have no vaccine ready
annoyed1 saysPatrick saysOK, let's say by the end of the year.
I think sooner than that. It may double over the next month or two, especially if the stay-at-home orders are lifted. That sucks, but we still have no vaccine ready. Some are in trials, but it will take time to release them to the public and ramp up production.
Sorry to break it to you Patrick, we will be at 80k deaths by mid May.
Patrick saystySticking by a max of 80,000, with more evidence:
From https://covid19.healthdata.org/united-states-of-america
Sadly we passed your max estimate. Many serology studies around the country are showing low digit infection numbers, so there's still a long way to go.
What really sucks is that I was right about how much Trump would add to the deficit too.
Excess deaths are still well below 80,000.
Yes, cancer deaths, pneumonia deaths, deaths from the flu, and deaths from heart issues are all down and can be attributed to blindly ascribing Covid as the cause of death.
WookieMan saysPatrick saysExcess deaths are still well below 80,000.
Substantially below.
Guess what? I'm saving 15% on my auto insurance. No, it's not because I switched to Geico. It's because auto accidents are down and hence auto accident deaths are down. I'm with a great insurance company that refunded me money for the fact that claims are down.
Did either of you ever stop to think that maybe this is why we are not over a baseline by 80k deaths?
Did either of you ever stop to think that maybe this is why we are not over a baseline by 80k deaths?
Without proof I don't believe you, you say you have verifiable proof then why not share it?
What you are overlooking is that your state has more deaths than California with a 1/4 th the population. What is up with that? Maybe there is some BS going on in your state but that doesn't mean it is happening in all States. Time will tell.
assuming that the effective death rate for those contracting COVID is 1.3% (5 times the seasonal flu rate) of the population, as reported as numerous websites, this means that even those getting it fall into a range of infirmities between asymptomatic and fatal, and that 98.3 percent survive it. This is an extremely high survival rate for a "pandemic"
Moreover, only a small proportion of Americans get it to begin with, and I don't really know reliable data for calculating what the likelihood is for even getting it
I do not think it is a hoax, and I think that the sensationalistic press (as opposed to liberal press), or billionaires with large short positions, and bureaucrats with a desire to enhance their status and receive more funding for their programs, and more corporations who have an interest to learn to what degree they can order customers around in their stores, or Democratic Party strategists seeking to embarass Trump, have an interest in promoting the narrative of pending doom and disaster.
My view, very bluntly stated, is that I would rather have /4 Million/ Americans die from it (the outcome if it adhered to this average) that one dolphin or whale be strangled by inhaling a surgical mask or the non-reusable bag from Smart & Final. It would be OK if I were one of them.
Humans have grossly overpopulated the earth, and a range of disastrous consequences are going to follow, from the consequences of consumer consumption, insane energy consumption, and a host of other behaviors humanity needs to radically reverse. COVID is Mother Nature's first gentle warning. Much worse things are coming down the pike.
I know what you don't believe this, but there is no point in getting into a big back-and-forth about it.
As I said, I'm headed for Idaho, where I will become a potato and hide in the soil (wink)
Those assholes need to be out of business and their staff needs to find a new line of work.
As if Patrick actually had a model and not a baseless theory that C19 is no worse than a bad flu.
Show the verifiable proof. But you don't have verifiable proof which was the point of my comment.
Or what if the doctor thought the patient would have lived another year or was about to declare remission?
WookieMan says
What the fuck do you want me to do?
Show the verifiable proof. But you don't have verifiable proof which was the point of my comment. You have hearsay at best. What you most certainly don't have is any proof that is verifiable.
The mainstream media exists only as a political tool now, funded by billionaires like Bezos.
Misc saysYes, cancer deaths, pneumonia deaths, deaths from the flu, and deaths from heart issues are all down and can be attributed to blindly ascribing Covid as the cause of death.
Interesting. Would you please share source(s) on this ?
mell saysIf you severely restrict people's civil liberties and pursuit of happiness in a possibly unconstitutional way then the burden is on you to exactly detail and lay out the stats comparing all the other causes of death,
Lol, "you", who? Me? How the fuck am I doing that. Please tell me. I'm not the president of the United States, I'm not the one failing to bring this country together. Obama, a black man, did that 17% better than Trump.
If people say they have "verifiable proof" either they have it or they don't. The key word is verifiable. If I can't verify it how is it verifiable. Words matter. Like I said I don't care that much just calling people out on their bullshit. It will be interesting to look back in a year and look at how the numbers worked out but until then, I call bullshit unless anyone wants to provide better proof than subtracting a baseline. Show me the num...
logic saysIt will be interesting to look back in a year and look at how the numbers worked out
Of course all the PatNetters who now insist the virus is little more than a cold and that the mortality numbers are made up to make Trump look bad will all change their screen names then so they can't be held accountable for their bullshit.
Show me the numbers otherwise it's not truth it's bullshit.
Time to place the blame squarely where it should be, on the president.
Last I checked he was the president and at the beginning he denied there was a problem, now some how that's new York's fault?
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Wait, 3 percent of 1 percent?
Yes, 100 times smaller than 3 percent.
Say 100,000 die out of 300M people (actually, the population is even larger than that). That's 0.0003.
So, since 0.0086 of the US dies every year on average, this could bump up the US death rate by 3 / 86 = 3.5% this year.
Except not it wouldn't even be that much, because a large fraction of those who die weren't going to make it through a normal 2020 anyway.
It's still not at all clear that this was worth imploding the economy for. Remember that 81,000 died of the flu in 2018 and no one even blinked.