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Their mama is suckin' up all the bandwidth twerking on Snapchat to attract the felon with HIV fresh out of jail for a pounding; this is White People's fault, of course.

TEOTWAWKI says

WookieMan says

The fact is the staff and teachers know the poor kids who are likely to not have internet.

Impossible: everyfuckingbody and their dog have Internet on their phones. And everybody has a phone now.

Partially true. Some don't/can't pay for unlimited data though. This remote learning shit has involved streaming video and such so far for my kids. A lot of people don't have the necessary devices. 90% of people have multiple devices, etc. But a good chunk of the population has their phone and that's it. And if the parents have to work, the internet might go with them.

Basically if you're getting free lunch, you're probably gonna have internet issues as mom and/or dad are deadbeats. Not too complicated. And is more common than most think. Especially outside of coastal areas.

rd6B says

Pandemic Coordinators

Once this precedent is set, you can be sure that every year from now on, there is going to be a virus crisis. Coordinators have to have a justification for their existence.

The state and local coffers will soon run dry anyway.

B.A.C.A.H. says

The state and local coffers will soon run dry anyway.

And that’s when the quarantine will be over. Sorry folks! Back to work and time to pay your fucking taxes!

B.A.C.A.H. says

The state and local coffers will soon run dry anyway.

The fed will bail them out:

It's happening!!!!

Governor is proposing 20% pay cuts for ‘most’ state employees

https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2020/04/15/teachers-union-governor-is-proposing-pay-cuts-most-state-employees/

zzyzzx says

It's happening!!!!

Governor is proposing 20% pay cuts for ‘most’ state employees

https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2020/04/15/teachers-union-governor-is-proposing-pay-cuts-most-state-employees/

Pelosi & Co. are trying to get an extra $150 billion for state and local governments put into the next stimulus bill.

Hawaii has been doing that for the past 15 years. Their schools in the early 2000s were on "Furlough Fridays". Nothing new there. They have a crappy tax base and always have. It's not going to happen. The fed, states, and everyone is going to go for broke.

zzyzzx says

It's happening!!!!

Governor is proposing 20% pay cuts for ‘most’ state employees

https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2020/04/15/teachers-union-governor-is-proposing-pay-cuts-most-state-employees/

Most governmental fiscal years (not federal) operate through the end of June. The money is running out with no sales tax for an entire month in many places and future sales taxes that are knowingly dust at this point. Municipalities run budgets to the limits of the revenue that comes in. 20% pay cut is probably the tip of the iceberg at this point. We're only halfway through April....

My school district is paying teachers a little over $250k per month (small district) to do remote learning that they have no clue how to teach. My wife and I are spending 3-4 hours per school day making sure our kids get some kind of education. Take that cash, put it in a fire pit and burn it. That's what is happening right now. Our district is funded through property taxes that have already been paid. So hey, let's just piss it away. Complete nonsense. Lay them off and save the cash for the backend of this bullshit.

My 2nd graders google classroom bs, basically all 4 2nd grade teachers sharing making all the content. I figure each teacher put in about an hours worth of work at best what a joke. I want my property taxes back.

Why would we stop paying them when they are doing so well what they never did in the first place?

RC2006 says

My 2nd graders google classroom bs, basically all 4 2nd grade teachers sharing making all the content. I figure each teacher put in about an hours worth of work at best what a joke. I want my property taxes back.

I also have a 2nd grader. Her teacher leaves a giant packet of work in her classroom and a box to put finished work in. That plus projects that really mean mom and dad doing most of the project. My daughter is bored and lonely and exasperated and her behavior has gotten awful.
I really hate this.

We’re having the opposite experience... our 1st grade teacher gives far too much work for our child. She was already above grade level... I’d rather take this time to teach her piano, an instrument or foreign language.... rather than busy work. But alas, I work full time in my office and my wife is also. I have no problem with teachers getting paid... if politicians get their checks then so should teachers. The last thing we need is another economic hit to the economy with thousands of unpaid teachers.

WookieMan says

Lay them off and save the cash for the backend of this bullshit.

Yeah more unemployed people will help the economy.

Deep_State says

They are teachers, they get paid to teach. Isn't the party who dropped the ball the school administration?

You are correct. They were ill prepared and it's obvious, in my district at least. I think I said somewhere in this thread I'm going to go after them and the board. They're not having public meeting right now though, so that's a bit difficult. But yes, this bullshit falls at the feet of administrators.

My point is we don't have the cash to be paying them or teachers at the state level. I'm already in a high tax state. We're going to pay for this on the back end, while currently the teachers are not doing 1/2 the work they would be. Let's be honest, 1/2 the job is babysitting while the parents work. I don't want to pay more for that in 2021 and beyond because we decided to pay them full boat to do less than half their job.

My mom was a teacher. I do respect the job. This is about finances and what you're getting out of tax dollars. Really has nothing to do with the profession. We have UE benefits. We can reduce pay for reduced work just like the private sector has to. I don't think it's all that controversial.

WookieMan says

Lay them off and save the cash for the backend of this bullshit.

Why would paying them through the unemployment fund and having them not work be better than doing what they are doing? The summer is coming up. Laying off the entire workforce would be a nightmare scenario for your district come the beginning of the next school year. You won't be able to get everyone back. They'll find other jobs during their summer. Contrary to popular belief, it's not easy to fill the void with quality people...especially when the pay is already pretty mediocre.

BoomAndBustCycle says

WookieMan says

Lay them off and save the cash for the backend of this bullshit.

Yeah more unemployed people will help the economy.

So paying public sector workers for doing 1/2 or none of their original jobs is good for the economy? No one can spend anything for the most part anyway. We need to reduce costs. Why should the government that has FORCED businesses to close and make no money, be allowed to make money for not working? A teacher is not essential at all right now.

Pritzker just announces yesterday that IL revenue will be something like $2B short for the fiscal year ending in 75ish days. Anticipating $7B short for the 2020/21 fiscal year that starts in July. That's not a pretty picture and someone has to pay that. As a high income earner, my family will have to pay that. It's inevitable. We literally don't have the money to be paying these people to talk to our kids for 15 minutes a couple days a week on a computer screen. During harsh times everyone needs to make sacrifices. Non-essential government workers NEED to do that now. That's my point. It's not a judgement on the profession of teaching. I'm thinking of the real world numbers we're dealing with.

WookieMan says

During harsh times everyone needs to make sacrifices.

Are you still getting paid? What sacrifices are you making for the Chinese virus?

Onvacation says

WookieMan says

During harsh times everyone needs to make sacrifices.

Are you still getting paid? What sacrifices are you making for the Chinese virus?

I do side jobs here and there, but I haven't had a full time job for 2 years now. Don't need it. My job is sitting my ass in a chair and bitching on Patnet. I'm fortunate enough to be able to pick and choose when and what I want to do. And I can still do it during this time, but generally not doing anything because of the school shit.

Not wanting to dox myself, but the wife is still getting paid and is essential. It's something that couldn't be sacrificed so to speak. Teaching isn't necessary right now with the Feds and states pulling testing mandates tied to funding. It keeps the kids busy, but for those that have to work, it's complete bullshit. Our household is fine, I'm Mr. Teacher right now. But I know others that are struggling bigly with this and it's all a waste of time for them and an emotional strain.

Public schools are passing the buck, sure, while paying teachers full fare. But our private school here is even worse -- they expect parents to teach (full curriculum - while the teacher skates by with a 45 minute zoom) AND to pay full tuition. Any parents who squawk are told to adjust their "mindset." Damn it. We're doing Khan Academy and skipping tuition next month.

Deep_State says

It's sad to see so many Americans complaining about being forced to spend more time with their kids. Having to spend time with their children's education. It's no wonder why we are getting hammered by other countries when it comes to education.

Big league sad ☹️

Ten bucks says you have no kids.
Twenty bucks says you have no job you’re trying to do while trying to educate the kids you don’t have.
Shut yo bitch ass mouth, incel!

Deep_State says

It's sad to see so many Americans complaining about being forced to spend more time with their kids. Having to spend time with their children's education. It's no wonder why we are getting hammered by other countries when it comes to education.

Big league sad ☹️

Sure, good luck with educating kids in different grades, with full curriculum, while paying a private school for the privilege of grading your work. While working from home. Save your tears, buddy. There are only so many hours in a day.

goofus says

Sure, good luck with educating kids in different grades, with full curriculum, while paying a private school for the privilege of grading your work. While working from home. Save your tears, buddy. There are only so many hours in a day.

Ummmm... Millions of families do this. It's called homeschooling. And yes, to protect their jobs many states require regular testing, where homeschooled kids of a HS Graduate kick the shit out of 20 kid classes taught by an $80k/year EduMaster's degree holder.

Hatred of kids is a leftist marker, but fortunately they take their own prejudices to heart and have few or none of them.

NoCoupForYou says

Ummmm... Millions of families do this. It's called homeschooling.

From homo schooling to home schooling. How will they keep the propaganda fire hoses open on the tender young minds?

NoCoupForYou says

goofus says

Sure, good luck with educating kids in different grades, with full curriculum, while paying a private school for the privilege of grading your work. While working from home. Save your tears, buddy. There are only so many hours in a day.

Ummmm... Millions of families do this. It's called homeschooling.

Find the two differences between standard homeschooling and what I wrote above...

I can assure you that no one is paying 15-20K per year to grade their homeschooling output, nor is the homeschooling parent expected to work while schooling.

NoCoupForYou says

Ummmm... Millions of families do this. It's called homeschooling.

As a rule, people who homeschool don’t have dual careers. Someone has to have homeschool teacher as their job.
And when both parents are still working full time jobs as we are, homeschooling three kids is next to fucking impossible. I love my kids, but they’re a handful and neither of us has the time to spare to fully support their homeschooling. Which is why we didn’t sign up to home school in the first place!

But yah, it’s fun and games for Leftists, alone with their toys and their cats. They probably have extra time these days while pretending to work from home.

I'm in CTU. We just finished ratifying a five year contract with plenty of raises. I'm getting $15k net over the next 11 weeks and I just got $3,400 from uncle sam. Another 3 months of this and judges will be stamping abrogations to this as well as our pension's constitutional protection. Disaster capitalism playbook 101, we are Puerto Rico

Shaman says

As a rule, people who homeschool don’t have dual careers. Someone has to have homeschool teacher as their job.

We are about to get that in IL.... https://chicago.suntimes.com/coronavirus/2020/4/17/21225167/illinois-schools-closed-pritzker-year-coronavirus-cps-covid-19

Gonna be a bit difficult to start the economy back up when kids can't be in school. This is starting to look planned at this point. I'm sure day care centers won't be open and the governors will "try" to open the economy but can't because people have to watch kids keeping the unemployment high. CA, NY and IL have the ability to move the UE number national by 3-4% alone.

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/local/michigan/2020/04/22/michigan-begins-temporary-layoffs-whitmer-nessel-covid-19-pandemic/3002888001/

Michigan begins 2,900 temporary layoffs amid COVID-19 pandemic

zzyzzx says

Michigan begins 2,900 temporary layoffs amid COVID-19 pandemic

Oh it's coming. Had my committee meeting today. We're on solid financial ground as we're funded by property taxes and we're not a commercial/industry heavy village. So most property taxes are escrowed in my community unless you've paid off your mortgage. Next year will be rough as the reduction in most home sales and prices are likely to reduce property tax revenue.

Sales taxes need to go though. They're the devil in a time like this. You can't go a month or two without (well ~70% reduced) them and not expect to go BK as a village or city. Cities that collect transfer stamps (taxes) are also going to be hurting. I know many villages in IL collect sales tax and real estate transfer taxes. They are going to get wang whipped. The printing presses need to stay warmed up along with people willing to buy IL junk bonds.

Shaman says

As a rule, people who homeschool don’t have dual careers.

Is it possible that the lock-downs is a way to send wives back into the kitchen? Just like the Me-Too movement and the equal-pay-for-lower-productivity movement were ways to reduce women's employment rate?

goofus says

Public schools are passing the buck, sure, while paying teachers full fare. But our private school here is even worse -- they expect parents to teach (full curriculum - while the teacher skates by with a 45 minute zoom) AND to pay full tuition. Any parents who squawk are told to adjust their "mindset." Damn it. We're doing Khan Academy and skipping tuition next month.

Ever considered doing Khan Academy and skipping your property tax payment next month? After all, May 1st is one of the quarterly due dates.

Reality says

Shaman says

As a rule, people who homeschool don’t have dual careers.

Is it possible that the lock-downs is a way to send wives back into the kitchen? Just like the Me-Too movement and the equal-pay-for-lower-productivity movement were ways to reduce women's employment rate?

No, the globalist plan has always been to increase the workforce and pay us all less. This is just a working class pain that the Clerisy couldn’t give a shit about because they are all working from home anyway.

Better question is, when do we stop paying administrative bureaucrats who do fuck-all toward the function of educating kids? I'm talking about nepots and incompetents in plum 6 figure positions.

When do we stop paying taxes.

Our local politicians been spending it all I kid you not on hobos lately.

Garcetti calls them “Angelico’s experiencing homeless”. Those guys must be so experienced, should be called “principal hobos” with that much fucking experience

Automan Empire says

Better question is, when do we stop paying administrative bureaucrats who do fuck-all toward the function of educating kids? I'm talking about nepots and incompetents in plum 6 figure positions.

Unfortunately, we will likely be getting Associate Vice Provosts and Principals for the new Office of Pandemic response, and tuition/taxes will go up, as those will need to be paid 250K per useless head.

Automan Empire says

Better question is, when do we stop paying administrative bureaucrats who do fuck-all toward the function of educating kids? I'm talking about nepots and incompetents in plum 6 figure positions.

I admittedly didn't phrase the OP title the best, but oh well. I still think teachers should be getting pay cuts at minimum or we should be getting property tax rebates for unopened facilities. Half the job pre-middle school is basically babysitting and we're now doing half their job.

Administrators are bags of ass fluid. My district super is a flaming piece of shit. This is not a joke, not a direct threat either, but I'd probably punch him in the face if given the opportunity. He's fucked up massively and broken laws over the last 18 months. District attorney has basically said it's not worth their time, they broke the law, but whatever. That's almost verbatim from a news article.

Deliberate open meetings act violations to push through a massive amount of money for a pet project for a homeowner where the super is paying them $1K in rent for a $1M house.... Media and state doesn't care. Guy is connected. This isn't conspiracy either, it's out in the open and everyone knows it.