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Shaman says

At least that is how it’s been working with my second grader. My fifth grader is much more independent and his teacher gives them work and feedback every day. And i have not idea how it’s going with my seventh grader. She doesn’t like to share about her classes

1st and 3rd here. Hands on unfortunately at those ages. And add to it that my wife and I don't see eye to eye. They're going to cancel the rest of the year and probably make them redo it or some other variation of that. So any effort put in right now is bull shit. Can't send them to a camp or sports activity. Fuck. This is fucking annoying right now.

FUCKING NOW!!!!

What they do is much less than sites like khanacademy.org are doing and that site is fucking FREE.

TEOTWAWKI says

FUCKING NOW!!!!

What they do is much less than sites like khanacademy.org are doing and that site is fucking FREE.

That's where my fifth grader told to go!

WookieMan says

Not sure if any of you are dealing with this yet. This remote learning shit with the kids is absolute bullshit. Our district is so ill prepared for this. Given modern tech, I would have thought they had a plan. I mean we're right in the zone for tornados, blizzards and yes even earthquakes here in IL.

A school could easily be down for months (well not blizzard, days for that) with these disasters. They didn't have a plan? WTF? What are we paying them for? I'm pretty pissed as a tax payer right now. Sick of government workers getting bailed out every time everyone else takes a hit. WE don't have a choice in paying taxes. It's bullshit.

As a teacher, I can tell you this. It's a catch 22. If I try to run a rigorous classroom, the parents and the students will rebel. If I run a joke of a class, everyone will criticize. So there is a happy medium, and it's completely substandard with respect to the in classroom experience. Let's be honest here...there's probably not a single outcome that would have made you think that your taxes were well spent during this endeavor.

And yes, we could eliminate 75% of administrators and run even more efficiently.

I am a victim of this as well. My kids are in K and 2nd grade. They are getting zero academic work for the school. So, my wife and I have taken the role of their primary instructor as well. Bottom line, kids in elementary are going to have long lasting damage from this void of learning. Kids in middle school are probably ok and kids in high school will have gaps in certain subject areas. The math that is missed is going to have a lot of long lasting damage to a lot of people in this country. My suggestion, as a parent is this. Take the role of finding a way to get your kids to learn what they should be learning. Research what topics they should cover and find good resources for them to use. It's a pain in the ass and another 3 hours out of your day, but your kids are going to be at an advantage to the rest of the population.

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2020-03-30/coronavirus-los-angeles-schools-15000-high-school-students-absent

This should be treated the same as when a kid doesn't show up at school and they loose money.

WookieMan says

My wife is officially going bonkers. 30 more days of this minimum.

Mine just threw her electric razor on the floor because I wouldn't let her cut the long hairs off my neck.

theoakman says

It's a pain in the ass and another 3 hours out of your day, but your kids are going to be at an advantage to the rest of the population.

I guess I'm just surprised our district had zero plan. We live in an area where there is a tornado that wipes out a school every 5 years or so. We're prepared and taking the shit information the school is giving us and doing our best. I just assumed as a tax payer this would have been something that would have been addressed with current tech. Kind of common sense? WTF are we paying administers 6 figure salaries and something as simple as a school shut down can't be handled and coordinated well?

I actually think it's super important for kids to learn to be held accountable via online means. It's what the future is going to be as far as work accountability. The fact our educators and mainly administrators were unprepared is embarrassing. It's why they don't run businesses and get to fuck around with other people's (taxpayers) money. It sucks.

socal2 says

If there is any good to come out of all this Wuhan Virus crap, I hope that it exposes alot of the useless jobs, particularly in education with all of the administrators and diversity bullshit.

They'll start policing the online classrooms for microaggressions.

WookieMan says

Kind of common sense? WTF are we paying administers 6 figure salaries and something as simple as a school shut down can't be handled and coordinated well?

We will disaggregate performance-based higher-order thinking through the collaborative process.
We will revisit school-based debriefs with synergistic effects.
We will empower critical curriculum compacting within the Zone of Proximity.
We will define multidisciplinary SMART goals in data-driven schools.
We will grow group-based need-to-knows in data-driven schools.

WookieMan says

WE don't have a choice in paying taxes.

Our school board rushed three tax measures onto the Super Tuesday ballot as they knew the Nov. presidential election would likely be crowded with city measures. They all passed; our property taxes are going up, up, UP! Online classes have been delayed due to equity issues (better all should suffer). I really doubt the tax increases would pass today (one was a parcel tax to increase teacher salaries) .
What's interesting about online instruction is the grievance studies materials will now see the light of day. I'm guessing the Educational Industrial Complex finally takes a big hit.
www.youtube.com/embed/vh-TgQ7sSDU

Nothing illustrates the battle between local stakeholders against a professionalized centralized bureaucracy than the Public School system.

No Eduadmin has ever explained why homeschooled kids and small evangelical school kids, taught often by much less educated parents and non-unionized, non-prof teachers, beat the shit out of Public Schools in performance, including most of the ones in snobby all-white suburban neighborhoods.

I should at least get a break on my real estate taxes since my kids aren’t getting the benefit of a blue ribbon education.
But no, those are going up this year as well.

Shaman says

I should at least get a break on my real estate taxes since my kids aren’t getting the benefit of a blue ribbon education.
But no, those are going up this year as well.

This, I just thought of this yesterday while I was trying to work my full time job at home, take care of my kids and have them do some classwork that the public school teachers keep sending. I know we're all in this Covid19 thing together but I agree that the fact that schools are not prepared to do distance learning makes me wonder why the people responsible (administrators) are paid so much.

One thing that really pisses me off is that our preschool is requiring a 50% payment of tuition just to hold a spot for my kid. Nothing of benefit at all except that there will be a spot for my kid when things get back to normal. I'm open to spending money to help others but at least provide some benefit for the cost other than to just gouge people for their inability to save money for a rainy day.

rigidmember says

I know we're all in this Covid19 thing together but I agree that the fact that schools are not prepared to do distance learning makes me wonder why the people responsible (administrators) are paid so much.

My district sent out surveys asking about internet access.... through the fucking internet. The stupidity of administrators is mind boggling. If you don't have access to internet how can you respond? My 3rd grader could figure out that's a stupid idea. The fact is the staff and teachers know the poor kids who are likely to not have internet. It's not complicated.

And the idea that admins would think people will keep their internet on during this is laughable. At least to a level that kids could tap into it. Lot's of bills are gonna be unpaid for the poor, which every community has some element of. Cell phones will have their internet, but many people get the cheapest plan possible, so no hotspot.

I'm convinced this is all a waste of time. Schools are done for the year. There's no mandatory testing required anymore. There's really no point in this. Keep your kids stimulated through various activities you can do, but even that is a struggle for 50-60% of the population. Especially in urban areas without physical contact with others. I probably wasn't going to, but I'll never live in a city ever again for sure now. Rural suburbs are doing me well. I frankly want a mountain cabin after this is all said and done.

WookieMan says

The fact is the staff and teachers know the poor kids who are likely to not have internet.

Impossible: everyfuckingbody and their dog have Internet on their phones. And everybody has a phone now.

Their mama is suckin' up all the bandwidth twerking on Snapchat to attract the felon with HIV fresh out of jail for a pounding; this is White People's fault, of course.

TEOTWAWKI says

WookieMan says

The fact is the staff and teachers know the poor kids who are likely to not have internet.

Impossible: everyfuckingbody and their dog have Internet on their phones. And everybody has a phone now.

Partially true. Some don't/can't pay for unlimited data though. This remote learning shit has involved streaming video and such so far for my kids. A lot of people don't have the necessary devices. 90% of people have multiple devices, etc. But a good chunk of the population has their phone and that's it. And if the parents have to work, the internet might go with them.

Basically if you're getting free lunch, you're probably gonna have internet issues as mom and/or dad are deadbeats. Not too complicated. And is more common than most think. Especially outside of coastal areas.

rd6B says

Pandemic Coordinators

Once this precedent is set, you can be sure that every year from now on, there is going to be a virus crisis. Coordinators have to have a justification for their existence.

The state and local coffers will soon run dry anyway.

B.A.C.A.H. says

The state and local coffers will soon run dry anyway.

And that’s when the quarantine will be over. Sorry folks! Back to work and time to pay your fucking taxes!

B.A.C.A.H. says

The state and local coffers will soon run dry anyway.

The fed will bail them out:

It's happening!!!!

Governor is proposing 20% pay cuts for ‘most’ state employees

https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2020/04/15/teachers-union-governor-is-proposing-pay-cuts-most-state-employees/

zzyzzx says

It's happening!!!!

Governor is proposing 20% pay cuts for ‘most’ state employees

https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2020/04/15/teachers-union-governor-is-proposing-pay-cuts-most-state-employees/

Pelosi & Co. are trying to get an extra $150 billion for state and local governments put into the next stimulus bill.

Hawaii has been doing that for the past 15 years. Their schools in the early 2000s were on "Furlough Fridays". Nothing new there. They have a crappy tax base and always have. It's not going to happen. The fed, states, and everyone is going to go for broke.

zzyzzx says

It's happening!!!!

Governor is proposing 20% pay cuts for ‘most’ state employees

https://www.hawaiinewsnow.com/2020/04/15/teachers-union-governor-is-proposing-pay-cuts-most-state-employees/

Most governmental fiscal years (not federal) operate through the end of June. The money is running out with no sales tax for an entire month in many places and future sales taxes that are knowingly dust at this point. Municipalities run budgets to the limits of the revenue that comes in. 20% pay cut is probably the tip of the iceberg at this point. We're only halfway through April....

My school district is paying teachers a little over $250k per month (small district) to do remote learning that they have no clue how to teach. My wife and I are spending 3-4 hours per school day making sure our kids get some kind of education. Take that cash, put it in a fire pit and burn it. That's what is happening right now. Our district is funded through property taxes that have already been paid. So hey, let's just piss it away. Complete nonsense. Lay them off and save the cash for the backend of this bullshit.

My 2nd graders google classroom bs, basically all 4 2nd grade teachers sharing making all the content. I figure each teacher put in about an hours worth of work at best what a joke. I want my property taxes back.

Why would we stop paying them when they are doing so well what they never did in the first place?

RC2006 says

My 2nd graders google classroom bs, basically all 4 2nd grade teachers sharing making all the content. I figure each teacher put in about an hours worth of work at best what a joke. I want my property taxes back.

I also have a 2nd grader. Her teacher leaves a giant packet of work in her classroom and a box to put finished work in. That plus projects that really mean mom and dad doing most of the project. My daughter is bored and lonely and exasperated and her behavior has gotten awful.
I really hate this.

We’re having the opposite experience... our 1st grade teacher gives far too much work for our child. She was already above grade level... I’d rather take this time to teach her piano, an instrument or foreign language.... rather than busy work. But alas, I work full time in my office and my wife is also. I have no problem with teachers getting paid... if politicians get their checks then so should teachers. The last thing we need is another economic hit to the economy with thousands of unpaid teachers.

WookieMan says

Lay them off and save the cash for the backend of this bullshit.

Yeah more unemployed people will help the economy.

Deep_State says

They are teachers, they get paid to teach. Isn't the party who dropped the ball the school administration?

You are correct. They were ill prepared and it's obvious, in my district at least. I think I said somewhere in this thread I'm going to go after them and the board. They're not having public meeting right now though, so that's a bit difficult. But yes, this bullshit falls at the feet of administrators.

My point is we don't have the cash to be paying them or teachers at the state level. I'm already in a high tax state. We're going to pay for this on the back end, while currently the teachers are not doing 1/2 the work they would be. Let's be honest, 1/2 the job is babysitting while the parents work. I don't want to pay more for that in 2021 and beyond because we decided to pay them full boat to do less than half their job.

My mom was a teacher. I do respect the job. This is about finances and what you're getting out of tax dollars. Really has nothing to do with the profession. We have UE benefits. We can reduce pay for reduced work just like the private sector has to. I don't think it's all that controversial.

WookieMan says

Lay them off and save the cash for the backend of this bullshit.

Why would paying them through the unemployment fund and having them not work be better than doing what they are doing? The summer is coming up. Laying off the entire workforce would be a nightmare scenario for your district come the beginning of the next school year. You won't be able to get everyone back. They'll find other jobs during their summer. Contrary to popular belief, it's not easy to fill the void with quality people...especially when the pay is already pretty mediocre.

BoomAndBustCycle says

WookieMan says

Lay them off and save the cash for the backend of this bullshit.

Yeah more unemployed people will help the economy.

So paying public sector workers for doing 1/2 or none of their original jobs is good for the economy? No one can spend anything for the most part anyway. We need to reduce costs. Why should the government that has FORCED businesses to close and make no money, be allowed to make money for not working? A teacher is not essential at all right now.

Pritzker just announces yesterday that IL revenue will be something like $2B short for the fiscal year ending in 75ish days. Anticipating $7B short for the 2020/21 fiscal year that starts in July. That's not a pretty picture and someone has to pay that. As a high income earner, my family will have to pay that. It's inevitable. We literally don't have the money to be paying these people to talk to our kids for 15 minutes a couple days a week on a computer screen. During harsh times everyone needs to make sacrifices. Non-essential government workers NEED to do that now. That's my point. It's not a judgement on the profession of teaching. I'm thinking of the real world numbers we're dealing with.

WookieMan says

During harsh times everyone needs to make sacrifices.

Are you still getting paid? What sacrifices are you making for the Chinese virus?

Onvacation says

WookieMan says

During harsh times everyone needs to make sacrifices.

Are you still getting paid? What sacrifices are you making for the Chinese virus?

I do side jobs here and there, but I haven't had a full time job for 2 years now. Don't need it. My job is sitting my ass in a chair and bitching on Patnet. I'm fortunate enough to be able to pick and choose when and what I want to do. And I can still do it during this time, but generally not doing anything because of the school shit.

Not wanting to dox myself, but the wife is still getting paid and is essential. It's something that couldn't be sacrificed so to speak. Teaching isn't necessary right now with the Feds and states pulling testing mandates tied to funding. It keeps the kids busy, but for those that have to work, it's complete bullshit. Our household is fine, I'm Mr. Teacher right now. But I know others that are struggling bigly with this and it's all a waste of time for them and an emotional strain.

Public schools are passing the buck, sure, while paying teachers full fare. But our private school here is even worse -- they expect parents to teach (full curriculum - while the teacher skates by with a 45 minute zoom) AND to pay full tuition. Any parents who squawk are told to adjust their "mindset." Damn it. We're doing Khan Academy and skipping tuition next month.

Deep_State says

It's sad to see so many Americans complaining about being forced to spend more time with their kids. Having to spend time with their children's education. It's no wonder why we are getting hammered by other countries when it comes to education.

Big league sad ☹️

Ten bucks says you have no kids.
Twenty bucks says you have no job you’re trying to do while trying to educate the kids you don’t have.
Shut yo bitch ass mouth, incel!

Deep_State says

It's sad to see so many Americans complaining about being forced to spend more time with their kids. Having to spend time with their children's education. It's no wonder why we are getting hammered by other countries when it comes to education.

Big league sad ☹️

Sure, good luck with educating kids in different grades, with full curriculum, while paying a private school for the privilege of grading your work. While working from home. Save your tears, buddy. There are only so many hours in a day.

goofus says

Sure, good luck with educating kids in different grades, with full curriculum, while paying a private school for the privilege of grading your work. While working from home. Save your tears, buddy. There are only so many hours in a day.

Ummmm... Millions of families do this. It's called homeschooling. And yes, to protect their jobs many states require regular testing, where homeschooled kids of a HS Graduate kick the shit out of 20 kid classes taught by an $80k/year EduMaster's degree holder.

Hatred of kids is a leftist marker, but fortunately they take their own prejudices to heart and have few or none of them.

NoCoupForYou says

Ummmm... Millions of families do this. It's called homeschooling.

From homo schooling to home schooling. How will they keep the propaganda fire hoses open on the tender young minds?