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What Happened to the Political Center?

By marcus follow marcus   2020 Jun 29, 1:13pm 406 views   53 comments   watch   nsfw   quote   share    



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14   socal2   ignore (1)   2020 Jun 29, 2:47pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

NoCoupForYou says
One great example is that a plurality of Dems and Reps agreed in the 1990s that we had too much immigration. Today only a tiny sliver of Dems agree.


Yep. Remember when Clinton and most Democrats said abortion should be safe, legal and rare? Now abortion is a ghoulish sacrament to them all the way up to crowning - and they are proud of it!

I wonder if Marcus can find a single example of a prominent Republican changing views as strongly as Democrats have changed on immigration, abortion, gays/trannies, founding fathers.


15   FortWayneIndiana   ignore (3)   2020 Jun 29, 2:58pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Dude, most of the country wants to be in the center. But the moment you don't fucking kneel in obedience to the left or don't denounce America, they label you a "right winger". I mean FUCKING ASSHOLES or what? They even called Lincoln racist.

I'm sorry Marcus, there is plenty of center. There is absolutely no right. There is only far left, and center. And far left is trying to destroy the center now. Because fucking assholes.
16   marcus   ignore (12)   2020 Jun 29, 3:08pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

socal2 says
Now abortion is a ghoulish sacrament to them all the way up to crowning - and they are proud of it!


I call bullshit on this entirely. I've never heard a pro choice person that was even remotely pro abortion.


17   marcus   ignore (12)   2020 Jun 29, 3:11pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

socal2 says
single example of a prominent Republican changing views as strongly as Democrats


Easy. Take a look at conservative republican views on taxes and budget deficits in the 60s.

I don't actually think democrats have changed that much at all on immigration. I've probably posted stats on increased money spent on southern border security in the Obama era, about 20 times by now.

Genius though I will admit that arguing in favor of wasteful spending billions a "wall" the right manged to make it seem like their issue.

BS lying about the other side is just part of how broken it all is, and how everything is lowered to what Weinstein accurately calls a low resolution moronic level.
18   TrumpingTits   ignore (2)   2020 Jun 29, 3:15pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

marcus says
You wish that were true.


No. it is 100% true. Just because you'd prefer to have an alternate, narrative-based definition that does not comply with actual reality isn't a factor here.
19   WookieMan   ignore (5)   2020 Jun 29, 3:17pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

marcus says
socal2 says
single example of a prominent Republican changing views as strongly as Democrats


Easy. Take a look at conservative republican views on taxes and budget deficits in the 60s.

That's money. I don't think you get most people's problem with the left as shown with this comment.
20   TrumpingTits   ignore (2)   2020 Jun 29, 3:17pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

marcus says
I'm going to go out on a limb and guess you aren't interested in this,


Squashing the truth that pisses all over your narrative by making claims about what I may or may not be interested in isn't 'going out on a limb' for you. It is simply SOP for you, from what I have observed.

Taking the time I did to respond to what you wrote proves my interest, btw.

REALITY: It can be such a bitch for those pushing a narrative, eh?
21   marcus   ignore (12)   2020 Jun 29, 3:20pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

I get that autoritarians tend to see things as binary, black and white.

I tend to agree with Weinstein that nuance is a thing, as is compromise.

Not only that, the "my team against yours, my team is good your team is evil," is actually a symptom of how ridiculously broken our system is, and our inability to deal with or solve problems.

I have to assume you understand this, and must think that a right wing dictatorship is the only answer. That is if I take the "my way or the highway" mentality to where it logically leads. But for now, at least you have the left making fools of themselves.
22   SunnyvaleCA   ignore (1)   2020 Jun 29, 3:26pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

The internet and subsequent rise of virtue signaling and doxxing didn't help. Those that are in the center are silenced by both extremes.
23   Shaman   ignore (2)   2020 Jun 29, 3:28pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

I’ve seen plenty of center left people pushed to the right and some even to the far right these past few years. I talked to one guy this morning and he’s gone from being leans left mostly non political to hard right!
And I know what you’ll say: white supremacy is surging in America.
The thing is: NONE of these people are white!
They are just tired of the insanity and the “new normal” and infringement of liberty and our rights and kids not being in school and riots excused and allowed by our Dear Leaders! They can’t stand the naked hypocrisy of the Left anymore and are jumping feet first into the arms of the right.
24   socal2   ignore (1)   2020 Jun 29, 3:31pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

marcus says
I call bullshit on this entirely. I've never heard a pro choice person that was even remotely pro abortion.


Uh-huh.

26   Eric Holder   ignore (0)   2020 Jun 29, 3:41pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

marcus says
I don't actually think democrats have changed that much at all on immigration.


Rrrrrrrrriiiiiiight.

27   marcus   ignore (12)   2020 Jun 29, 3:45pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

I thought we were talking about illegal immigrants and border security.
28   Eric Holder   ignore (0)   2020 Jun 29, 3:47pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

marcus says
I thought we were talking about illegal immigrants and border security.


Yep. We and Dianne. Barbara was there too. The whole video is available @C-SPAN website. Look it up.

UPD: Here you go: https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4744467/user-clip-senator-boxer-senator-feinstein-attorney-general-reno
29   marcus   ignore (12)   2020 Jun 29, 3:48pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

A lot of democrats have been voting for border security measures all through the Obama era.
30   Eric Holder   ignore (0)   2020 Jun 29, 3:51pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

marcus says
A lot of democrats have been voting for border security measures all through the Obama era.


And then what happened? Replace Barbara and Dianne faces and voices with Trump's on that video and nobody would suspect any trickery. Trump is basically a Democrat from early 90s. California Democrat.
31   Eric Holder   ignore (0)   2020 Jun 29, 4:26pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Eric Holder says
marcus says
I thought we were talking about illegal immigrants and border security.


Yep. We and Dianne. Barbara was there too. The whole video is available @C-SPAN website. Look it up.

UPD: Here you go: https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4744467/user-clip-senator-boxer-senator-feinstein-attorney-general-reno


Sen. Boxer: "My proposals have been very simple. (They've been) enforce our border, (...) speed up the asylum process, (...) crack down on illegal smuggling, (...) remove the option that is given to... an illegal alien convicted of a felony has an option of serving time in this country or in their own country, I say return them to their country wherever that country may be to serve the time. So my proposals have been all along these lines and I think most people have regarded them as moderate."

LITERALLY HITLER by today's donkey standards.
32   WookieMan   ignore (5)   2020 Jun 29, 4:26pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Eric Holder says
marcus says
A lot of democrats have been voting for border security measures all through the Obama era.


And then what happened? Replace Barbara and Dianne faces and voices with Trump's on that video and nobody would suspect any trickery. Trump is basically a Democrat from early 90s. California Democrat.

This is pretty undeniable. Which most people are fine with yet we're worried about little girls with zero critical thinking skills wanting a penis or not. That's 2020.
33   HeadSet   ignore (3)   2020 Jun 29, 6:55pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

marcus says
socal2 says
Now abortion is a ghoulish sacrament to them all the way up to crowning - and they are proud of it!


I call bullshit on this entirely. I've never heard a pro choice person that was even remotely pro abortion.




Speaking of "bullshit," what is this in the 3rd panel about "affordable contraception?" The "pill" and condoms are already very affordable. And how does "easy access to health care" prevent pregnancy? IUD? Even those are inexpensive. None of that meme makes any sense. Just as bad as saying anyone who is against late term abortion is just someone trying to control women.
34   HeadSet   ignore (3)   2020 Jun 29, 6:58pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Trump is basically a Democrat from early 90s.

Now watch the Dems say Trump is "behind the times." Unlike Biden, of course.
35   NoCoupForYou   ignore (4)   2020 Jun 29, 8:59pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

HeadSet says
Speaking of "bullshit," what is this in the 3rd panel about "affordable contraception?" The "pill" and condoms are already very affordable. And how does "easy access to health care" prevent pregnancy? IUD? Even those are inexpensive. None of that meme makes any sense. Just as bad as saying anyone who is against late term abortion is just someone trying to control women.


MEDICAID COVERS BIRTH CONTROL.

And the excuse is still "Poor people can't afford birth control"
36   ignoreme   ignore (3)   2020 Jun 29, 9:16pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

At this point the left isn’t really arguing for free or cheap birth control because it already is. They are asking to make it available to children so they can drive a wedge between parents and children to better indoctrinate them.
37   Patrick   ignore (1)   2020 Jun 29, 9:23pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Eric Holder says
Trump is basically a Democrat from early 90s.


Exactly!

That's the hilarious irony of the whole circus.
38   jazz_music   ignore (15)   2020 Jun 29, 11:44pm     ↓ dislike (3)   quote   flag      

Eric Holder says
Trump is basically a Democrat from early 90s.
Trump is the worst criminal in human history and is using the presidency to gain wealth and avoid prison.
39   BayArea   ignore (1)   2020 Jun 30, 4:45am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

What a load of BS lol

Fake news
40   WookieMan   ignore (5)   2020 Jun 30, 5:30am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

jazz_music says
Trump is the worst criminal in human history and is using the presidency to gain wealth and avoid prison.

Explain? This is one of most ludicrous statements I may have seen on Patnet in my history here, unless you can explain. Hitler comes to mind, but maybe you've got a case against Trump that I don't know about. Let's just start with Hitler I guess and explain how Trump is worse than Hitler.
41   Shaman   ignore (2)   2020 Jun 30, 5:36am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

jazz_music says
Eric Holder says
Trump is basically a Democrat from early 90s.
Trump is the worst criminal in human history and is using the presidency to gain wealth and avoid prison.


That is a pants on fire lie.
A matched pair of them!
Advanced TDS on display.
Sad!
42   FuckTheMainstreamMedia   ignore (7)   2020 Jun 30, 5:52am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

WookieMan says
jazz_music says
Trump is the worst criminal in human history and is using the presidency to gain wealth and avoid prison.

Explain? This is one of most ludicrous statements I may have seen on Patnet in my history here, unless you can explain. Hitler comes to mind, but maybe you've got a case against Trump that I don't know about. Let's just start with Hitler I guess and explain how Trump is worse than Hitler.


Expect to be bombarded with a slew of opinion articles from left wing propaganda news agencies.
43   Reality   ignore (8)   2020 Jun 30, 11:57am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

> What Happened to the Political Center?

One of them was elected the President of the United States. Most of the rest are disgusted by the nearly four years of daily lies, fabrications, incompetent and murderous policies of the loser leftist radicals that have been unable to accept this simple fact. Just look at this website and this thread, it's as if someone out there were paying the same few people to regurgitate the ridiculous lies every day to prove how imbecilic the "left" are nowadays. People usually don't want to be seen as members of the moronic class.

The "Left" vs. "Right" paradigm in the US used to be about ripping off the tax-farm-animals to pay welfare bureaucrats vs. ripping off the tax-farm-animals to pay war-merchants. The political Center finally had enough, and decided to walk off the plantation in 2016 and elected one of their own as POTUS; now even some of the historically most reliable captive votes are starting to walk off the plantation. Democrats' murder of blacks and hispanics through mass intubation and removal of policing in minority-heavy cities resulting in mushrooming murder and crime rates in the minority neighborhoods is now showing the original color of Progressivism == Racism, as the most well known Democratic Progressive Woodrow Wilson was the one who segregated the federal employees (federal employees had been integrated half a century earlier by Republicans after the Civil War).
44   jazz_music   ignore (15)   2020 Jun 30, 6:23pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Shaman says
Advanced TDS on display.
Sad!
Projection

Diagnosis, LOL, delusional much?

You are in the cult, TDS is your life. I am a free man. Take your damned kool aide up your ass.

Sad? Yeah, since I am free to believe in objective truth.

You can’t stand having your epithets answered can you?
45   jazz_music   ignore (15)   2020 Jun 30, 6:26pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

FuckTheMainstreamMedia says
Expect to be bombarded with a slew of opinion articles from left wing propaganda
Do you want to be clueless?

Is your world so fragile that you can’t stand another POV outside the echo chamber?

Sad cult man. The end is near. You cultists are finished and dead and soon comes the denials and the name changes LOL
46   EBGuy   ignore (1)   2020 Jun 30, 6:50pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

#Unity2020
47   WookieMan   ignore (5)   2020 Jun 30, 7:36pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

jazz_music says
Sad cult man. The end is near. You cultists are finished and dead and soon comes the denials and the name changes LOL

What are you even talking about? You sound lost. You've seemingly become unhinged at this point. There's not even a point or argument anymore. Covid and BLM didn't stick. I'm sure we'll get some conflict with N Korea or Iran next....

I can't stand the people that want to see the failure of the US. Trump isn't the best. Not a user here would say that. We are dealing with the hand we were dealt. Instead of pissing our pants about it, we focus on the positives. The retardation is getting mind boggling at this point.
48   jazz_music   ignore (15)   2020 Jun 30, 7:47pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

WookieMan says
The retardation is getting mind boggling at this point.
Projection

And I’m bored with trying to have discussion with people that subscribe to entertainment and think that’s normal because they might have leggier blow job goddesses and flashy titles, they might even scream or shed tears on the camera but they aren’t talking reality.
49   NoCoupForYou   ignore (4)   2020 Jun 30, 7:52pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

I wish a reporter would ask Biden if he intends to take down statues of all Slaveholders from Washington, DC when he gets elected.
50   jazz_music   ignore (15)   2020 Jun 30, 7:53pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

The whole “Republicans control everything” has run it’s course and has ended up in the dust.

Just forget it already
51   jazz_music   ignore (15)   2020 Jun 30, 8:15pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Reality says
The political Center finally had enough, and decided to walk off the plantation
The political center is right here looking to offload the criminal right wing that has managed to seize power. Anti-Republican does not mean left wing at all.

Nobody here who is condemned by your cult as left wing actually ever suggests any left wing ideology here EVER.

We’re all suggesting you open your eyes to the showering of all commonwealth on to the wealthiest donors who ever existed in history.

Trump is not one of you at all. Trump is for Trump and the billionaires class, duh!

L@@k see him showering bailouts, deregulating FUCKING EVERYTHING by executive order because his pathetic failures at responding to pandemic is killing off his own base.

Right now it is so fucking obvious to see Trump’s ineptitude as an executive and EXACTLY WHY all his businesses ended in bankruptcy and abject failures.
52   Reality   ignore (8)   2020 Jul 1, 12:57pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      


Right now it is so fucking obvious to see Trump’s ineptitude as an executive and EXACTLY WHY all his businesses ended in bankruptcy and abject failures.


So how many businesses have you started in your life? Every single businesses eventually dies, just like every government eventually dies, and every human being eventually dies. It is the process and during the life of a business, a government and a natural human being that accomplishments are made. By that yard-stick, Trump's career as a businessman in several different fields was remarkably successful. Sure, his timing in some businesses could have been better, and I was timing better on a smaller scale in than he was on a large scale, but there was no saying I would be able to convince bankers to time my way instead of the mainstream way even if I had a bigger ship to run.

The search for perfection is often the most mortal enemy of what is good enough (or the best option there is realistically). That is why every single leftist revolution quickly turn into self-destruction: nothing and nobody is good enough for the mob of coddled perfectionist hypocrits who have no first-hand experience at building anything.

L@@k see him showering bailouts, deregulating FUCKING EVERYTHING by executive order because his pathetic failures at responding to pandemic is killing off his own base.


Sure, with what we know now, he should have arrested Fraudci and hanged him from a lamp post, then add mass murderers like Cuomo to the next lamp posts for mass killing ethnic minorities first via intubation in places like Queens and then via crime waves all across Democrat-run big metro cities. Yes, more and more ethnic minorities are becoming new election bases for Trump, thanks to those murderous schemes by Demonrats.
53   jazz_music   ignore (15)   2020 Jul 1, 9:39pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Reality says
how many businesses have you started in your life?
No, let’s talk about you.

Reality says
By that yard-stick, Trump's career as a businessman in several different fields was remarkably successful.
LOL, no, he’s lost several fortunes and cheated everyone on his way down.

No one in New Jersey would vote for Trump because everyone knows someone personally who was ripped off by Trump.


jazz_music says
nothing and nobody is good enough for the mob of coddled perfectionist hypocrits who have no first-hand experience at building anything.
What??? There’s no example of that delusion anywhere.

Reality says
Sure, with what we know now, he should have arrested Fraudci and hanged him from a lamp post, then add mass murderers like Cuomo to the next lamp posts for mass killing ethnic minorities first via intubation in places like Queens and then via crime waves all across Democrat-run big metro cities
If he possibly could take some heat off Trump’s own ass he will, but he hasn’t only because he can’t. Trump is losing his enablers and may not even go on at all for much longer.

And where does that leave you with all this Republican propaganda? Lies to seize power and forestall the inevitable crashes that are yet to come.

Change your name and disappear? Drinking the fatal kool aid?

I’m concerned that the coming fall is going to leave this angry cult with nothing. No money, no great fearless leader, you might join KKK or do something even more drastic.

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