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Flatten the Curve


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2020 Jul 15, 3:31am   29,217 views  720 comments

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As the numbers of cases, hospitalizations, and deaths surge to record levels in multiple epicenters, local and state officials are struggling with whether and how much to reverse the rollback of restrictions on individuals and businesses. For example, following a gradual reopening over about a month, on Monday, California Gov. Gavin Newsom announced the reintroduction of statewide restrictions that would again shut down bars, all indoor dining, family entertainment, zoos and museums following a surge in coronavirus cases. The governors of Florida, Texas, and Arizona, all now epicenters of infection, have also slowed or reversed reopening, but their actions have been tepid. Florida Governor Ron DeSantis is even insisting on opening schools in the face of record-high numbers of infections.

These officials would do well to recall the observation of The Great One. No, not Dr. Tony Fauci of the National Institutes of Health—the other one, hockey legend Wayne Gretzky, who once explained, “I skate to where the puck is going to be, not where it has been.”

Anticipating what’s coming is important in confronting an infectious disease, especially one whose dynamics are what many infectious disease experts consider their worst nightmare. COVID-19 is highly infectious, has a lengthy incubation period (during which asymptomatic infected persons can unwittingly shed virus and infect other people), and causes serious, sometimes fatal illness.

Those unusual characteristics of the SARS-CoV-2 virus, which causes COVID-19, and the idiosyncrasies and spectrum of presentations of the illness—from pulmonary symptoms (including pneumonia and pulmonary fibrosis) to a range of non-respiratory manifestations, (including loss of sense of smell or taste, confusion and cognitive impairments, fainting, sudden muscle weakness or paralysis, seizures, ischemic strokes, kidney damage, and, rarely, a severe pediatric inflammatory syndrome) mean that we are on a steep learning curve.

The problem is: if we react too slowly to changing circumstances, we can fall off a metaphorical cliff.

There’s an old brain teaser that perfectly illustrates this point. Consider a pond of a certain size, on which there is a single lily pad. This particular species of lily pad reproduces and duplicates itself once a day, so that on day 2, you have two lily pads. On day 3, you have four; on day 4, you have eight; and so on. Here’s the teaser: if it takes the lily pads 48 days to cover the pond completely, how long will it take for the pond to be covered halfway?

The answer? 47 days. In just 24 hours, between day 47 and day 48, the lily pads would double in size and overtake the pond. Moreover, on day 40, the pond would still appear to be relatively clear; just eight days from the pond being completely covered, you’d hardly know the lily pads were there.

If the same thing happens with a virulent and highly contagious infectious agent, like the SARS-CoV-2 virus, you don’t know you’re in trouble until you wake up one morning to find that you’re overwhelmed. Like the lily pad example, the daily number of confirmed COVID-19 cases in the U.S. was 18,577 on June 15th—just three weeks later, on July 10th, the number had shot up to 66,281.

Dr. Anthony Fauci
Dr. Anthony Fauci

FLATTENING THE CURVE TO BEAT THE IMPENDING CLIFF

From early in the pandemic, the public health mantra worldwide has been: “flatten the curve.” That important concept, which was in vogue several months ago, seems largely forgotten today.

In the above graphic from the University of Michigan, the blue curve is the viral equivalent of the lily pads, suddenly covering the pond. It represents a large number of people (shown on the vertical axis) becoming infected over a short time (horizontal axis), and, in turn, overwhelming our health care system with people who need hospitalization, or even an Intensive Care Unit (ICU).

People won’t shop for non-essentials, fly, go to restaurants, theaters, and athletic events, or send their kids to school, when numbers of new cases are soaring.

If, however, political officials, individuals, and communities take steps to slow the virus’s spread, the cases of COVID-19 will stretch out across a more extended period, as depicted by the flatter, yellow curve. As long as the number of cases at any given time doesn’t bleed past the dotted line marking the capacity of our nation’s health care system, we’ll be able to accommodate everyone who is very sick.

Curve-flattening has fallen out of focus in recent months, in part because some political leaders reopened too aggressively and prematurely, basing policy on their constituents’ “pandemic fatigue,” instead of on the advice of epidemiologists and infectious disease experts.

But it’s still critical to avoid the pattern of the blue curve, not only to spare hospitals and ICUs—which are especially under stress in parts of Arizona, Florida, and Texas—but also so that we can continue the gradual reopening of the nation’s businesses and schools. Reopening relies on curve-flattening. As the NIH’s Dr. Tony Fauci says frequently, public health and economic considerations are not in opposition but are opposite sides of the same coin; we can’t fully restart and resume commerce until the pandemic is under some measure of control. People won’t shop for non-essentials, fly, go to restaurants, theaters, and athletic events, or send their kids to school, when numbers of new cases are soaring.

That means we need to start anticipating and stop playing catch-up—as the governors of Florida, Arizona, and Texas have been doing, relying on a combination of magical thinking, Happy Talk, and too-little-too-late remedies, instead of aggressive, evidence-based public health policies.

Arizona Governor Doug Ducey, for instance, has offered no strategy for blunting the spike in COVID-19 cases other than to keep repeating that there were enough hospital beds to treat those who fall ill. And yet, ICU beds and ventilators in use by suspected and confirmed COVID-19 patients in Arizona both hit new records on July 12th and were under stress, according to data reported by hospitals to the state.

On July 10th, a physicians group gathered outside Florida Governor DeSantis’s mansion in Tallahassee to urge him to issue an order mandating the use of face masks statewide, which arguably should have been done months ago. Masks have long been considered essential to slowing the spread of COVID-19, but, inexplicably, the Governor resisted. And only on July 10th did Texas Governor Greg Abbott finally mandate the wearing of face masks, and demand the prohibition of large gatherings and the closing of bars across the state.

Elected officials must heed Wayne Gretzky’s admonition and stay ahead of the coronavirus, in order to lower its rate of transmission. That’s the only way to slow the rise of new cases.

Evidence-based policies, such as requiring masks in public, prohibiting large indoor gatherings, and indoor dining at restaurants, are important. But as we’ve seen with California, even aggressive imposition of those kinds of strictures has not been sufficient—in large part because many people, especially younger ones, have failed to comply. As California allowed businesses and public places to reopen, bars, boardwalks, and beaches became crowded with large numbers of maskless patrons. It’s no wonder, then, that as of July 13th, hospitals in the state reported a 27.8% increase in hospitalized patients over the previous 14 days and a 19.9% increase in ICU patients over that same period. In fact, as a result of noncompliance, many local governments in the Golden State have had to coordinate with law enforcement agencies to issue citations and explore civil alternatives through code enforcement, environmental health, or other local government personnel.

Of course, the need for heightened consequences for noncompliance is unfortunate, but it will help to re-flatten the curve. That will spread out the demands on hospitals, which must have sufficient space, supplies, and healthy staff to care for all those who need hospital-level care—whether for COVID-19, a stroke, trauma, emergency surgery, or childbirth. It’s strong, but necessary, medicine—which possibly could have been avoided with more intense efforts to get the public to comply with wearing masks, social distancing, and frequent hand-washing.

If politicians properly understood their role in flattening the curve, they wouldn’t have to resort to policing and ticketing. They would instead launch a tsunami of public service announcements from all manner of dignitaries and celebrities, including prominent politicians, actors, rock stars, and athletes—maybe even The Great One himself—demonstrating how we can anticipate instead of falling behind the curve.

That non-coercive strategy could be a winner.


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Henry I. Miller, M.S., M.D.
Henry I. Miller, a physician and molecular biologist, is a Senior Fellow at the Pacific Research Institute. He was the founding director of the FDA’s Office of Biotechnology.


https://humanevents.com/2020/07/14/flattening-the-curve-is-still-the-right-answer/

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142   prodigy   2020 Jul 22, 1:48pm  

No, I never said that.
I believe a country of 1.4 billion people could not possibly claim a daily infection rate of 14 and actually have what we have, 47k per day, without it leaking out to the free world.

socal2 says
Again - you are still believing the Commies are telling you the truth about their infection rates.
143   prodigy   2020 Jul 22, 1:50pm  

Due to the young catching the majority of new cases.
the worry here is that the kids will transmit it back to the oldies.

socal2 says
And clearly we are not seeing a huge spike in deaths matching the huge increase in positive cases.

144   prodigy   2020 Jul 22, 1:51pm  

So what is?
California had flattened the curve during the lockdown.
What happened?

socal2 says
Just disputing that masks or lack thereof are the main reason for the 2nd wave we are seeing now
145   prodigy   2020 Jul 22, 1:51pm  

The only thing I've seen are a lot of mass gatherings of people with maskless faces...
146   prodigy   2020 Jul 22, 1:55pm  

This part of the post is not talking about "now".
It's talking about the first time period back in late feb/march when fauci said masks not necessary. He was protecting the PPE for the nurses.

"too many comments"?? tough to keep up?

WookieMan says
prodigy says
Data used for each instance:
1- Fauci knew facemasks would help versus any orally transmitted virus, but at the time due to a shortage of N95 facemasks, the available ones needed to be directed to medical staff servicing virus patients. Thus he correctly recommended that the public should not wear facemasks so as to not have the medical staff infected to the point where there were not enough caregivers available for the truly sick.

Too many comments, so maybe someone addressed this already. 1,000% wrong. He's now saying cloth bandana type "masks" are okay. That would have never influenced the professional PPE masks and gear for docs and nurses. He was wrong. You know it too.
147   socal2   2020 Jul 22, 2:03pm  

prodigy says
So what is?
California had flattened the curve during the lockdown.
What happened?


Perhaps, massive BLM protests in California's major cities in June/July? How many home gatherings and back yard BBQ's do you think this massive crowd in LA would equate to in the video? Add in all the riots and protests in Sacramento, San Francisco, Oakland, San Diego.......that's alot of opportunity for transmission.

In addition, here in San Diego, many of the new infections are coming from cross border travel with Mexico.

www.youtube.com/embed/0U0J40Gn574&t=131s
148   prodigy   2020 Jul 22, 2:12pm  

well the virus normally spreads when you get it on your hands, and then touch your nose, mouth, or eyes.
A mask eliminates nose and mouth touching.
149   prodigy   2020 Jul 22, 2:17pm  

Now we are finally getting to the meat of the matter.
My definition of "dangerous" is taken out of the dictionary.
Your definition of "dangerous" is based on some magical number of infections or percentage of infections.
My definition is based on a universally accepted reference book of words and their meanings.
Your definition is based on a whim, a feeling, a guess, something, anything that backs your narrative.

WookieMan says
If danger is 0.04% of the population dying (150k out of 330M documented citizens), I'm afraid we disagree on the definition of dangerous.
150   prodigy   2020 Jul 22, 2:21pm  

socal2 says
Perhaps,


and that's the crux of the matter. nobody knows shit for sure, other than the number of refrigerated trucks used to haul away the bodies.
So what I go on is what I can see, what is the most likely to inhibit transmission.

152   prodigy   2020 Jul 22, 2:22pm  

The holy trinity of Covid 19 protection.
153   mell   2020 Jul 22, 2:44pm  

prodigy says
So what measure did they apply to virtually eliminate the virus from their country.
mell says


Besides fudging their numbers they also instituted brownshirt style house arrests - sure that will prevent the spread beyond families but also cause death and suffering in other ways. Probably also spraying disinfectant all over the city and houses, probably killing a lot of sars-cov-2 but substituting it with dire long term health effects for the whole population. I'm not against masks, but I'm against forcing people to wear masks outside and forcing owners/renters to have people wear masks inside and/or shutdown their business - it should be up to them and their patrons.
154   prodigy   2020 Jul 22, 2:51pm  

Oh I'm sure there were some brown shirt arrests, but not nearly enough for a country of 1.4 billion.
The abundance of photographic evidence tell a story of mask wearing that can not be ignored...

As far as long term health effects for spraying disinfectant, can't comment on it until I know what disinfectant, and the total volume used. Otherwise just speculation.

mell says
Besides fudging their numbers they also instituted brownshirt style house arrests - sure that will prevent the spread beyond families but also cause death and suffering in other ways. Probably also spraying disinfectant all over the city and houses, probably killing a lot of sars-cov-2 but substituting it with dire long term health effects for the whole population.
155   Onvacation   2020 Jul 22, 2:54pm  

prodigy says
My definition is based on a universally accepted reference book of words and their meanings.
Your definition is based on a whim, a feeling, a guess, something, anything that backs your narrative.

The world is a dangerous place. If you are afraid you should definitely wear your mask and self isolate.
156   prodigy   2020 Jul 22, 3:00pm  

Off topic.
Try to keep up.

Onvacation says
The world is a dangerous place. If you are afraid you should definitely wear your mask and self isolate.
157   Onvacation   2020 Jul 22, 3:01pm  

The topic is about how the government lied to us about how MILLIONS WERE GOING TO DIE! requiring a two week lockdown to "flatten the curve" which has morphed into "a new normal" where life as we knew it was just a memory.

Don't be obtuse.
158   prodigy   2020 Jul 22, 3:02pm  

12 foot virus cloud without mask.
2 inch virus cloud with mask.
C'mon now everybody, say it together: "Occam's razor says....."

www.youtube.com/embed/RkB0k81oNiI
160   prodigy   2020 Jul 22, 3:12pm  

The government projected a possible death rate at the time of the initial lockdown, due to lack of data on the NOVEL corona virus 19, and with data on other deadly corona virus strains.
What should they have done? Taken a chance, did nothing, and had millions died, then said "oops"?
Don't be obtuse...

Onvacation says
The topic is about how the government lied to us about how MILLIONS WERE GOING TO DIE! requiring a two week lockdown to "flatten the curve" which has morphed into "a new normal" where life as we knew it was just a memory.

Don't be obtuse.
161   prodigy   2020 Jul 22, 3:15pm  

My last post on this subject.
This really says it all.

https://patrick.net/post/1333874?offset=160#comment-1689721
162   mell   2020 Jul 22, 3:17pm  

prodigy says
well the virus normally spreads when you get it on your hands, and then touch your nose, mouth, or eyes.
A mask eliminates nose and mouth touching.

That's not true unfortunately. It easily can have the opposite effect. Wearing a mask must go hand in hand with knowing how to put it on and remove it, dispose of it or wash it. Otherwise simply washing hands and not wearing a mask while not touching your face is likely more effective. You HAVE to touch your face to put the mask on/off and you generate fomite points and other nasty breeding grounds for bacteria. There's a reason health care staff is trained in proper mask wear and also a reason surgeons and personnel don't wear it longer than absolutely necessary.
163   Onvacation   2020 Jul 22, 4:09pm  

And if the virus is so deadly where are all the hazmat containers to properly dispose of the masks? Typically people store them on their chin or hang them from their mirror.
164   WookieMan   2020 Jul 22, 7:27pm  

prodigy says
This part of the post is not talking about "now".
It's talking about the first time period back in late feb/march when fauci said masks not necessary. He was protecting the PPE for the nurses.

He was wrong then. Has nothing to do with science. You get that, right? Everyone could have been making masks out of their underwear back in Feb/March. Fauci was wrong. You're wrong for thinking he was right at the time. Fauci failed. You believe in his failure. There's really not much else to discuss on this topic. You like failure.
165   WookieMan   2020 Jul 22, 7:36pm  

prodigy says
12 foot virus cloud without mask.
2 inch virus cloud with mask.

Let us know when more than 1% of the population tests positive. The symptomatic ones generally stay home because they feel like shit. It's easily spread and kills old people. Sorry you're old. Happens to everyone. Stay home and wear a mask. I won't. I have asthma and lung cancer... fortunately I'm stronger than Covid pussies.
166   WookieMan   2020 Jul 22, 7:49pm  

Onvacation says
or hang them from their mirror.

Likely increasing the rate of fatal auto accidents due to a blind spot on their god damn windshield.

I minimally wear a mask. Like never. Maybe 10-20 minutes in a week. I'm not dead. It's rather spectacular. But masks weren't important, even cloth ones in March, but now they're sufficient. We knew the efficacy of a cloth mask 20 years ago and now it's like sliced fucking bread. The brainwash is strong in this thread. Very strong.
167   MrEd   2020 Jul 22, 8:39pm  

Well for you it's understandable.
WookieMan says
I have asthma and lung cancer

WookieMan says
I minimally wear a mask. Like never.
168   prodigy   2020 Jul 23, 1:20pm  

I get that you are shouting shit with absolutely no backup evidence.
Fauci was right to steer whatever PPE equipment on hand towards the medical community.
BTW, This is really obvious shit. I know you already know this, and I also know you will never admit it.

WookieMan says
prodigy says
This part of the post is not talking about "now".
It's talking about the first time period back in late feb/march when fauci said masks not necessary. He was protecting the PPE for the nurses.

He was wrong then. Has nothing to do with science. You get that, right?
169   prodigy   2020 Jul 23, 1:21pm  

Overwhelming evidence says it is true.
Saying it is not true does not make it false.

mell says
That's not true unfortunately.
170   prodigy   2020 Jul 23, 1:24pm  

Agreed,
Kinda like shooting a gun goes hand in hand with knowing how to load it.
Plenty of internet videos / sites explaining both instances...
If the lazy porkrinders won't learn how to use stuff, one must just factor that into the equation.

mell says
Wearing a mask must go hand in hand with knowing how to put it on and remove it, dispose of it or wash it.
171   prodigy   2020 Jul 23, 1:27pm  

I noticed no comments on this.
Kinda shoots the shit out of a "masks are useless" position.
Nobody wants their position annihilated...thus no comments.

www.youtube.com/embed/RkB0k81oNiI
172   prodigy   2020 Jul 23, 1:39pm  

Well, the problem with your argument here is that I'm not old. 46 years young. You are aware that 'assumptions are the mother of all fuckups' aren't you?

Not a good proposition from you to "stay home and wear a mask". That's a location where one can take the fucker off with minimal risk if you are sure your family is following similar protocol. In fact the need is to only wear it when indoors and packed tighter than, i'd say 10 feet, from others.

So looky here. The video above shows everything a reasonable person would need to conclude that everybody wearing a mask for awhile would send covid down the drain, with the added bonus of suppressing the normal cold and flu viruses. Sorry that you have lung cancer and asthma. Not a good thing to have during these times. Your position on masks does not go hand in hand with your medical condition. If you want to enjoy a full life, why wouldn't you follow the dr's orders?

WookieMan says
prodigy says
12 foot virus cloud without mask.
2 inch virus cloud with mask.

Let us know when more than 1% of the population tests positive. The symptomatic ones generally stay home because they feel like shit. It's easily spread and kills old people. Sorry you're old. Happens to everyone. Stay home and wear a mask. I won't. I have asthma and lung cancer... fortunately I'm stronger than Covid pussies.
173   Onvacation   2020 Jul 23, 1:48pm  

prodigy says
the lazy porkrinders

And there you go.
174   prodigy   2020 Jul 23, 1:49pm  

You do realize that the protection a mask offers is primarily for everyone but the mask wearer. Don't you?
The mask stops most larger droplets in their tracks from the wearer, before they have a chance to become airborne and shrink due to evaporation to a point where they can pass through most masks and infect someone else.
Your position that mask wearers are scared covid pussies does not jive with the primary function of the mask.
I understand that from your viewpoint, covid seems like a mild cold.
However, people are suffering from both medical conditions. Why not chip in and support remedies for both conditions?

WookieMan says
fortunately I'm stronger than Covid pussies.
175   prodigy   2020 Jul 23, 2:10pm  

go where?
Onvacation says
prodigy says
the lazy porkrinders

And there you go.
176   mell   2020 Jul 23, 2:34pm  

prodigy says
You do realize that the protection a mask offers is primarily for everyone but the mask wearer. Don't you?
The mask stops most larger droplets in their tracks from the wearer, before they have a chance to become airborne and shrink due to evaporation to a point where they can pass through most masks and infect someone else.


It's either airborne or it isn't. If it's airborne regular breath will contain virus passing through the masks all the time. If it's droplets, then gravity will pull them down before it can reach another person, given they keep enough distance. There is no intermediate way of transmission. Masks only provide indoor / mass gathering protection if the mechanism of transmission is droplets when distancing is not possible. They also provide fomite points and require you to touch your face and have the opposite effect on a healthy mask wearer. If you don't have symptoms you shouldn't wear a mask in all situation where you can keep the distance.
177   Onvacation   2020 Jul 25, 5:12am  

prodigy says
What should they have done? Taken a chance, did nothing, and had millions died, then said "oops"?
Don't be obtuse...

Quarantine the vulnerable and let the cold run its course, like every other Chinese flu we have ever had. It is especially heinous to keep kids out of school.

Those that give up freedom for temporary safety will get nor deserve either.
178   MrEd   2020 Jul 26, 2:12pm  

If you think wearing a mask for 30 minutes a day on average is "giving up freedom", you need to travel more often...

Onvacation says
Those that give up freedom for temporary safety will get nor deserve either.
179   MrEd   2020 Jul 26, 2:14pm  

This doesn't jive with the asymptomatic, and the symptomatic with a 7 day delay on symptoms.
mell says
If you don't have symptoms you shouldn't wear a mask in all situation where you can keep the distance.
180   MrEd   2020 Jul 26, 2:15pm  

That may work well for people with colds, not so well for people with corona 19...
Onvacation says
Quarantine the vulnerable and let the cold run its course
181   MrEd   2020 Jul 26, 2:15pm  

What's a 'porkrinder'?
Onvacation says
prodigy says
the lazy porkrinders

And there you go.

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