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Flatten the Curve


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2020 Jul 15, 3:31am   26,485 views  720 comments

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As the numbers of cases, hospitalizations, and deaths surge to record levels in multiple epicenters, local and state officials are struggling with whether and how much to reverse the rollback of restrictions on individuals and businesses. For example, following a gradual reopening over about a month, on Monday, California Gov. Gavin Newsom announced the reintroduction of statewide restrictions that would again shut down bars, all indoor dining, family entertainment, zoos and museums following a surge in coronavirus cases. The governors of Florida, Texas, and Arizona, all now epicenters of infection, have also slowed or reversed reopening, but their actions have been tepid. Florida Governor Ron DeSantis is even insisting on opening schools in the face of record-high numbers of infections.

These officials would do well to recall the observation of The Great One. No, not Dr. Tony Fauci of the National Institutes of Health—the other one, hockey legend Wayne Gretzky, who once explained, “I skate to where the puck is going to be, not where it has been.”

Anticipating what’s coming is important in confronting an infectious disease, especially one whose dynamics are what many infectious disease experts consider their worst nightmare. COVID-19 is highly infectious, has a lengthy incubation period (during which asymptomatic infected persons can unwittingly shed virus and infect other people), and causes serious, sometimes fatal illness.

Those unusual characteristics of the SARS-CoV-2 virus, which causes COVID-19, and the idiosyncrasies and spectrum of presentations of the illness—from pulmonary symptoms (including pneumonia and pulmonary fibrosis) to a range of non-respiratory manifestations, (including loss of sense of smell or taste, confusion and cognitive impairments, fainting, sudden muscle weakness or paralysis, seizures, ischemic strokes, kidney damage, and, rarely, a severe pediatric inflammatory syndrome) mean that we are on a steep learning curve.

The problem is: if we react too slowly to changing circumstances, we can fall off a metaphorical cliff.

There’s an old brain teaser that perfectly illustrates this point. Consider a pond of a certain size, on which there is a single lily pad. This particular species of lily pad reproduces and duplicates itself once a day, so that on day 2, you have two lily pads. On day 3, you have four; on day 4, you have eight; and so on. Here’s the teaser: if it takes the lily pads 48 days to cover the pond completely, how long will it take for the pond to be covered halfway?

The answer? 47 days. In just 24 hours, between day 47 and day 48, the lily pads would double in size and overtake the pond. Moreover, on day 40, the pond would still appear to be relatively clear; just eight days from the pond being completely covered, you’d hardly know the lily pads were there.

If the same thing happens with a virulent and highly contagious infectious agent, like the SARS-CoV-2 virus, you don’t know you’re in trouble until you wake up one morning to find that you’re overwhelmed. Like the lily pad example, the daily number of confirmed COVID-19 cases in the U.S. was 18,577 on June 15th—just three weeks later, on July 10th, the number had shot up to 66,281.

Dr. Anthony Fauci
Dr. Anthony Fauci

FLATTENING THE CURVE TO BEAT THE IMPENDING CLIFF

From early in the pandemic, the public health mantra worldwide has been: “flatten the curve.” That important concept, which was in vogue several months ago, seems largely forgotten today.

In the above graphic from the University of Michigan, the blue curve is the viral equivalent of the lily pads, suddenly covering the pond. It represents a large number of people (shown on the vertical axis) becoming infected over a short time (horizontal axis), and, in turn, overwhelming our health care system with people who need hospitalization, or even an Intensive Care Unit (ICU).

People won’t shop for non-essentials, fly, go to restaurants, theaters, and athletic events, or send their kids to school, when numbers of new cases are soaring.

If, however, political officials, individuals, and communities take steps to slow the virus’s spread, the cases of COVID-19 will stretch out across a more extended period, as depicted by the flatter, yellow curve. As long as the number of cases at any given time doesn’t bleed past the dotted line marking the capacity of our nation’s health care system, we’ll be able to accommodate everyone who is very sick.

Curve-flattening has fallen out of focus in recent months, in part because some political leaders reopened too aggressively and prematurely, basing policy on their constituents’ “pandemic fatigue,” instead of on the advice of epidemiologists and infectious disease experts.

But it’s still critical to avoid the pattern of the blue curve, not only to spare hospitals and ICUs—which are especially under stress in parts of Arizona, Florida, and Texas—but also so that we can continue the gradual reopening of the nation’s businesses and schools. Reopening relies on curve-flattening. As the NIH’s Dr. Tony Fauci says frequently, public health and economic considerations are not in opposition but are opposite sides of the same coin; we can’t fully restart and resume commerce until the pandemic is under some measure of control. People won’t shop for non-essentials, fly, go to restaurants, theaters, and athletic events, or send their kids to school, when numbers of new cases are soaring.

That means we need to start anticipating and stop playing catch-up—as the governors of Florida, Arizona, and Texas have been doing, relying on a combination of magical thinking, Happy Talk, and too-little-too-late remedies, instead of aggressive, evidence-based public health policies.

Arizona Governor Doug Ducey, for instance, has offered no strategy for blunting the spike in COVID-19 cases other than to keep repeating that there were enough hospital beds to treat those who fall ill. And yet, ICU beds and ventilators in use by suspected and confirmed COVID-19 patients in Arizona both hit new records on July 12th and were under stress, according to data reported by hospitals to the state.

On July 10th, a physicians group gathered outside Florida Governor DeSantis’s mansion in Tallahassee to urge him to issue an order mandating the use of face masks statewide, which arguably should have been done months ago. Masks have long been considered essential to slowing the spread of COVID-19, but, inexplicably, the Governor resisted. And only on July 10th did Texas Governor Greg Abbott finally mandate the wearing of face masks, and demand the prohibition of large gatherings and the closing of bars across the state.

Elected officials must heed Wayne Gretzky’s admonition and stay ahead of the coronavirus, in order to lower its rate of transmission. That’s the only way to slow the rise of new cases.

Evidence-based policies, such as requiring masks in public, prohibiting large indoor gatherings, and indoor dining at restaurants, are important. But as we’ve seen with California, even aggressive imposition of those kinds of strictures has not been sufficient—in large part because many people, especially younger ones, have failed to comply. As California allowed businesses and public places to reopen, bars, boardwalks, and beaches became crowded with large numbers of maskless patrons. It’s no wonder, then, that as of July 13th, hospitals in the state reported a 27.8% increase in hospitalized patients over the previous 14 days and a 19.9% increase in ICU patients over that same period. In fact, as a result of noncompliance, many local governments in the Golden State have had to coordinate with law enforcement agencies to issue citations and explore civil alternatives through code enforcement, environmental health, or other local government personnel.

Of course, the need for heightened consequences for noncompliance is unfortunate, but it will help to re-flatten the curve. That will spread out the demands on hospitals, which must have sufficient space, supplies, and healthy staff to care for all those who need hospital-level care—whether for COVID-19, a stroke, trauma, emergency surgery, or childbirth. It’s strong, but necessary, medicine—which possibly could have been avoided with more intense efforts to get the public to comply with wearing masks, social distancing, and frequent hand-washing.

If politicians properly understood their role in flattening the curve, they wouldn’t have to resort to policing and ticketing. They would instead launch a tsunami of public service announcements from all manner of dignitaries and celebrities, including prominent politicians, actors, rock stars, and athletes—maybe even The Great One himself—demonstrating how we can anticipate instead of falling behind the curve.

That non-coercive strategy could be a winner.


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Henry I. Miller, M.S., M.D.
Henry I. Miller, a physician and molecular biologist, is a Senior Fellow at the Pacific Research Institute. He was the founding director of the FDA’s Office of Biotechnology.


https://humanevents.com/2020/07/14/flattening-the-curve-is-still-the-right-answer/

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41   WookieMan   2020 Jul 17, 11:47am  

Eric Holder says
WookieMan says
I've been to grocery stores, restaurants and shit, but it was the most bizarre thing I've ever experienced. Sitting inside a car getting jacked up and watching these guys work. lol. We're living the Twilight Zone.


I guess you never done a custom alignment for a lightweight sports car. The "sit inside get jacked up and watch them work" has been a SOP for that forever. ;)

Not a car guy admittedly. I usually go in and have a coffee or go do something else. Was weird. They didn't want to touch the inside of the car.
42   Onvacation   2020 Jul 17, 11:50am  

Four months ago we were told, " millions are going to die. If we don't lock down and 'flatten the curve' our hospitals will be overwhelmed."

Four months later with less than 5% of the originally predicted fatalities and we are told we must stay locked down indefinitely until no new people are catching the cold.

This is so fucked up I have taken up cursing after a lifetime of abstinence.
43   Eric Holder   2020 Jul 17, 12:08pm  

Onvacation says
This is so fucked up I have taken up cursing after a lifetime of abstinence.


This is how I talk now:

www.youtube.com/embed/tL9i01ALaR0
44   georgeliberte   2020 Jul 17, 12:53pm  

If it was as contagious and deadly as advertised "essential" workers would be dropping like flies.
I am classified essential- and I essentially here.
45   mell   2020 Jul 18, 9:33am  

Singapore went to zero transmission among health care workers by rigorous hand washing and not touching your orifices and isolating those who actually had symptoms. No masks.
46   Ceffer   2020 Jul 18, 9:41am  

I like Covid incident graphs. They look like tits.
47   WookieMan   2020 Jul 18, 10:13am  

Eric Holder says
Onvacation says
This is so fucked up I have taken up cursing after a lifetime of abstinence.


This is how I talk now:

That's awesome, lol. I do swear too much admittedly. Oh well. Doesn't hurt anything.
49   mell   2020 Jul 21, 12:29pm  

thomasdong1776 says
mell says
No masks.

Lie.
https://www.loc.gov/law/foreign-news/article/singapore-government-distributes-reusable-masks-to-all-households/


try and read before replying this was in a hospital setting for health care workers:

"
Singapore had a horrid problem with PPE in their hospitals like everyone else when Covid hit and their health care workers were getting Covid just like everywhere else. Rather than screaming at people they took what they learned from SARS and instituted militant hand-washing before and after every contact with a person or thing.
They found when they did this that other than being directly exposed to someone coughing or when performing a high-aerosol procedure like intubation their staff didn't need N95s and other high-grade PPE yet their transmission rate to and between their staff went to a statistical zero.
Again: Singapore achieved statistical ZERO health care transmission almost-immediately.
"
50   WookieMan   2020 Jul 21, 1:46pm  

thomasdong1776 says
mell says
No masks.

Lie.

Covid is not dangerous. Overall deaths are up, but has anyone done the math on what age people start to drop like flies? This is way too technical for me, but I can see from the charts, age 55 is a spring board to death. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4028711/

Could the vast majority of increased deaths just be a coincidence with a huge generation hitting ~65 on average? At least here in America. Basically, would 90% of "Covid" deaths have occurred regardless of this specific virus? I've yet to see anyone prove otherwise.

Because of a large chunk of America is 60+, then it's completely viable for overall deaths to increase and it just be normal. Overall deaths in younger age brackets are seemingly unmoved. I'll try to pull the link I found earlier, but I'm convinced at this point Covid is the media overreacting and people hitting ages where they just die. ICU's in specific areas get overwhelmed all the time, so hopefully a moron doesn't bring that up. And don't bring up intubation when there's a payment that coincides with it and they are using it on half dead people anyway.
53   prodigy   2020 Jul 21, 1:54pm  

Yeah, bringing in refrigerated tractor trailers for bodies happens all the time too. Hope a moron doesn't bring that up...
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/27/opinion/coronavirus-morgue-trucks-nyc.html

WookieMan says
ICU's in specific areas get overwhelmed all the time, so hopefully a moron doesn't bring that up
54   prodigy   2020 Jul 21, 1:56pm  

Sure. We all know the average age of death in the USA is 65 years old! Hope a moron doesn't bring that up...

WookieMan says
Could the vast majority of increased deaths just be a coincidence with a huge generation hitting ~65 on average? At least here in America. Basically, would 90% of "Covid" deaths have occurred regardless of this specific virus?
55   prodigy   2020 Jul 21, 1:58pm  

Sure. Everybody knows Covid isn't dangerous. Hope a moron doesn't bring that up...
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

WookieMan says
Covid is not dangerous.
56   prodigy   2020 Jul 21, 1:59pm  

Well this explains your post...
WookieMan says
I'll try to pull the link
57   socal2   2020 Jul 21, 2:45pm  

prodigy says
Yeah, bringing in refrigerated tractor trailers for bodies happens all the time too. Hope a moron doesn't bring that up...


Yet - overall deaths in America is currently below the historical norm.

Hope a moron doesn't bring that up.

58   Onvacation   2020 Jul 21, 3:01pm  

Less than 10,000 people under the age of 55 have "died" from covid-19. Of those less than 200 were below the age of 25. Over 97,000 of the casualties were over 75 years old.

https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Death-Counts-by-Sex-Age-and-S/9bhg-hcku

Old people die, every year. Locking down and masking perfectly healthy people is beyond stupid, it's suicidal. This is not about public health.
59   WookieMan   2020 Jul 21, 3:24pm  

prodigy says
Yeah, bringing in refrigerated tractor trailers for bodies happens all the time too. Hope a moron doesn't bring that up...

It actually does happen. Keep up buddy.... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1995_Chicago_heat_wave#Victims

Chicago heat wave of '95. Only 2 days of historic heat and 2 above average to hot days killed 739 people. Needed fridge trucks, the fucking horror!!! Covid has killed 2,732 in 20 weeks in Chicago. 4 days versus 140 days. Try harder. Research who it killed as well. Covid isn't that deadly and you've done nothing to change my opinion. There are substantially more older people now that can die from a minor flu bug. Same heat wave hits today, it would easily have killed more than Covid has to date.

You're choosing not to look at facts and data. That's your prerogative. I didn't call you or anyone specifically a moron so I'm not sure why you're repeating my line. If you think Covid is dangerous, you statistically are a moron. Prove otherwise. I get that you're likely a boomer and you can see you're on the 17th green of life, but get over it. The rest of us that literally cannot die from this would like to get back to normal.
60   Shaman   2020 Jul 21, 3:27pm  

If 1% of our population dies every year, that’s 3.5 million people who die every single year! And yet that’s not enough to keep population stable, not unless everyone lives to 100 years old. So the 140,000 people who died “of Covid” aren’t even ten percent of the expected annual death rate. Actually from the CDC website we find that the death rate last year was 2.8 MILLION people! So that’s less than the predicted 3.5 million. And that means that Covid could only account for FIVE PERCENT of all deaths this year and that’s if the count is accurate!
This puts Covid between causes like Alzheimer’s (120,000) and stroke (140,000)

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/deaths.htm

61   prodigy   2020 Jul 21, 3:58pm  

So you are saying 'covid is not able or likely to cause harm or injury'.
Your definition of "dangerous" is skewed.

dan·ger·ous
/ˈdānj(ə)rəs/
adjective
able or likely to cause harm or injury.

WookieMan says
If you think Covid is dangerous, you statistically are a moron.
62   prodigy   2020 Jul 21, 4:00pm  

People that do not understand the language should not post...it makes them look bad...

WookieMan says
If you think Covid is dangerous, you statistically are a moron
63   MisdemeanorRebel   2020 Jul 21, 4:01pm  

The 1968 Flu killed 100k people, in a far, far younger population. The median person in 1968 was about 28 years old versus 40 years old today.
64   prodigy   2020 Jul 21, 4:02pm  

If something can kill a number of human beings, it is dangerous by definition.
Who cares about age...
NoCoupForYou says
The 1968 Flu killed 100k people, in a far, far younger population. The median person in 1968 was about 28 years old versus 40 years old today.
65   prodigy   2020 Jul 21, 4:03pm  

Your choosing to use words that do not apply to the thought you are trying to express.

WookieMan says
You're choosing not to look at facts and data.
66   prodigy   2020 Jul 21, 4:05pm  

Not "all the time".
Keep up buddy!

WookieMan says
prodigy says
Yeah, bringing in refrigerated tractor trailers for bodies happens all the time too. Hope a moron doesn't bring that up...

It actually does happen. Keep up buddy
67   WookieMan   2020 Jul 21, 4:07pm  

prodigy says
Your choosing to use words that do not apply to the thought you are trying to express.

WookieMan says
You're choosing not to look at facts and data.

It's not dangerous. Dictionary definitions are words. Name me a single healthy person that has died from this. Do you even know one person that has it or has had it? You're stuck in the mud my friend. Feel free to eat up the bull shit being fed to you, I choose otherwise.
68   WookieMan   2020 Jul 21, 4:09pm  

prodigy says
Not "all the time".
Keep up buddy!

Not going to waste my time, but there are events annually in the US that require refrigerated trucks to deal with bodies. It really does happen more frequently than you'd like to think. But I suppose you know every city, every situation, every hospital, hell everything.
69   prodigy   2020 Jul 21, 4:09pm  

Well you will wear a mask when you are told to wear one, or you won't be doing any shopping for the next year or so.
All the bigwig stores are coming onboard.
Btw, are young people so fragile that putting a cotton mask around their face about 5% of the day will cause them to jump off the brooklyn bridge?
Maybe we need babysitters more than masks...

Onvacation says
Old people die, every year. Locking down and masking perfectly healthy people is beyond stupid, it's suicidal.
70   WookieMan   2020 Jul 21, 4:10pm  

prodigy says
Well you will wear a mask when you are told to wear one, or you won't be doing any shopping for the next year or so.

Lol. I have asthma or maybe I don't. Can't discriminate based on medical condition. Next....
71   MisdemeanorRebel   2020 Jul 21, 4:11pm  

prodigy says
If something can kill a number of human beings, it is dangerous by definition.
Who cares about age...


It's relevant in regards to the prevalence of chronic conditions given the age of the population. We shut down NOTHING in 1968.

We also had 30% fewer people and 90% were born in the USA.

50% of the deaths from COVID happened in 1.5% of the population located in LTC Facilities, and probably 30% were the result of NY billing medicare more by putting elderly COVID recoverers in Nursing Homes for "Physical Therapy" that were previously unaffected and free of the disease.
72   prodigy   2020 Jul 21, 4:12pm  

Well that about sums it up.
If people can't agree on the meaning of words, even with the fuckin reference book stuck in their face, there's no hope for accurate thought transfer.
Waste of time.

WookieMan says
It's not dangerous. Dictionary definitions are words.
73   WookieMan   2020 Jul 21, 4:14pm  

prodigy says
Well that about sums it up.
If people can't agree on the meaning of words, even with the fuckin reference book stuck in their face, there's no hope for accurate thought transfer.
Waste of time.

WookieMan says
It's not dangerous. Dictionary definitions are words.

Words are words. The fact your own government and corporations have you so blinded is the scary part. Enjoy the mask.
74   prodigy   2020 Jul 21, 4:15pm  

Prove you have asthma.
You've already proven "word jaundice" is making a comeback...

WookieMan says
Lol. I have asthma or maybe I don't. Can't discriminate based on medical condition. Next....
75   WookieMan   2020 Jul 21, 4:17pm  

prodigy says
Well you will wear a mask when you are told to wear one, or you won't be doing any shopping for the next year or so.

Was Fauci right or wrong on masks? Yes or no? If yes, why do you now trust him?

prodigy says
Prove you have asthma.

HIPPA. Don't have to prove a damn thing to you or anyone. Government gets a few things right from time to time. Big box ass holes can't stop me from entering their stores based on a medical condition be it asthma or lung cancer.
76   prodigy   2020 Jul 21, 4:17pm  

who gives a flying fuck about 1968, past or present viruses.
You said "covid is not dangerous". That is the argument.
Billions of datapoints say you are wrong.

NoCoupForYou says
It's relevant in regards to the prevalence of chronic conditions given the age of the population. We shut down NOTHING in 1968.

We also had 30% fewer people and 90% were born in the USA.
77   prodigy   2020 Jul 21, 4:19pm  

Fauci was right on both of his positions given the available scientific data at the time each position was expressed.
What do you think? Science is set in stone?

WookieMan says
prodigy says
Well you will wear a mask when you are told to wear one, or you won't be doing any shopping for the next year or so.

Was Fauci right or wrong on masks? Yes or no? If yes, why do you now trust him?
78   prodigy   2020 Jul 21, 4:20pm  

Well you sure as shit will have to prove it at the CVS/WALMART door.
Otherwise pissed off cops under attack by defunding libby freaks are a comin for you for trespassing...

WookieMan says
prodigy says
Prove you have asthma.

HIPPA. Don't have to prove a damn thing to you or anyone.
79   WookieMan   2020 Jul 21, 4:21pm  

prodigy says
Billions of datapoints say you are wrong.

15M positive tests worldwide. Out of 7B plus people. Of those 15M ~4% may die. We're talking many zeros after the decimal. It's a fucking rounding error.

You still didn't state if you knew anyone that for sure tested positive. Do you?
80   prodigy   2020 Jul 21, 4:22pm  

Then, by definition, that makes covid dangerous.

WookieMan says
Of those 15M ~4% may die.

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