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2020 Jul 15, 3:31am   27,011 views  720 comments

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As the numbers of cases, hospitalizations, and deaths surge to record levels in multiple epicenters, local and state officials are struggling with whether and how much to reverse the rollback of restrictions on individuals and businesses. For example, following a gradual reopening over about a month, on Monday, California Gov. Gavin Newsom announced the reintroduction of statewide restrictions that would again shut down bars, all indoor dining, family entertainment, zoos and museums following a surge in coronavirus cases. The governors of Florida, Texas, and Arizona, all now epicenters of infection, have also slowed or reversed reopening, but their actions have been tepid. Florida Governor Ron DeSantis is even insisting on opening schools in the face of record-high numbers of infections.

These officials would do well to recall the observation of The Great One. No, not Dr. Tony Fauci of the National Institutes of Health—the other one, hockey legend Wayne Gretzky, who once explained, “I skate to where the puck is going to be, not where it has been.”

Anticipating what’s coming is important in confronting an infectious disease, especially one whose dynamics are what many infectious disease experts consider their worst nightmare. COVID-19 is highly infectious, has a lengthy incubation period (during which asymptomatic infected persons can unwittingly shed virus and infect other people), and causes serious, sometimes fatal illness.

Those unusual characteristics of the SARS-CoV-2 virus, which causes COVID-19, and the idiosyncrasies and spectrum of presentations of the illness—from pulmonary symptoms (including pneumonia and pulmonary fibrosis) to a range of non-respiratory manifestations, (including loss of sense of smell or taste, confusion and cognitive impairments, fainting, sudden muscle weakness or paralysis, seizures, ischemic strokes, kidney damage, and, rarely, a severe pediatric inflammatory syndrome) mean that we are on a steep learning curve.

The problem is: if we react too slowly to changing circumstances, we can fall off a metaphorical cliff.

There’s an old brain teaser that perfectly illustrates this point. Consider a pond of a certain size, on which there is a single lily pad. This particular species of lily pad reproduces and duplicates itself once a day, so that on day 2, you have two lily pads. On day 3, you have four; on day 4, you have eight; and so on. Here’s the teaser: if it takes the lily pads 48 days to cover the pond completely, how long will it take for the pond to be covered halfway?

The answer? 47 days. In just 24 hours, between day 47 and day 48, the lily pads would double in size and overtake the pond. Moreover, on day 40, the pond would still appear to be relatively clear; just eight days from the pond being completely covered, you’d hardly know the lily pads were there.

If the same thing happens with a virulent and highly contagious infectious agent, like the SARS-CoV-2 virus, you don’t know you’re in trouble until you wake up one morning to find that you’re overwhelmed. Like the lily pad example, the daily number of confirmed COVID-19 cases in the U.S. was 18,577 on June 15th—just three weeks later, on July 10th, the number had shot up to 66,281.

Dr. Anthony Fauci
Dr. Anthony Fauci

FLATTENING THE CURVE TO BEAT THE IMPENDING CLIFF

From early in the pandemic, the public health mantra worldwide has been: “flatten the curve.” That important concept, which was in vogue several months ago, seems largely forgotten today.

In the above graphic from the University of Michigan, the blue curve is the viral equivalent of the lily pads, suddenly covering the pond. It represents a large number of people (shown on the vertical axis) becoming infected over a short time (horizontal axis), and, in turn, overwhelming our health care system with people who need hospitalization, or even an Intensive Care Unit (ICU).

People won’t shop for non-essentials, fly, go to restaurants, theaters, and athletic events, or send their kids to school, when numbers of new cases are soaring.

If, however, political officials, individuals, and communities take steps to slow the virus’s spread, the cases of COVID-19 will stretch out across a more extended period, as depicted by the flatter, yellow curve. As long as the number of cases at any given time doesn’t bleed past the dotted line marking the capacity of our nation’s health care system, we’ll be able to accommodate everyone who is very sick.

Curve-flattening has fallen out of focus in recent months, in part because some political leaders reopened too aggressively and prematurely, basing policy on their constituents’ “pandemic fatigue,” instead of on the advice of epidemiologists and infectious disease experts.

But it’s still critical to avoid the pattern of the blue curve, not only to spare hospitals and ICUs—which are especially under stress in parts of Arizona, Florida, and Texas—but also so that we can continue the gradual reopening of the nation’s businesses and schools. Reopening relies on curve-flattening. As the NIH’s Dr. Tony Fauci says frequently, public health and economic considerations are not in opposition but are opposite sides of the same coin; we can’t fully restart and resume commerce until the pandemic is under some measure of control. People won’t shop for non-essentials, fly, go to restaurants, theaters, and athletic events, or send their kids to school, when numbers of new cases are soaring.

That means we need to start anticipating and stop playing catch-up—as the governors of Florida, Arizona, and Texas have been doing, relying on a combination of magical thinking, Happy Talk, and too-little-too-late remedies, instead of aggressive, evidence-based public health policies.

Arizona Governor Doug Ducey, for instance, has offered no strategy for blunting the spike in COVID-19 cases other than to keep repeating that there were enough hospital beds to treat those who fall ill. And yet, ICU beds and ventilators in use by suspected and confirmed COVID-19 patients in Arizona both hit new records on July 12th and were under stress, according to data reported by hospitals to the state.

On July 10th, a physicians group gathered outside Florida Governor DeSantis’s mansion in Tallahassee to urge him to issue an order mandating the use of face masks statewide, which arguably should have been done months ago. Masks have long been considered essential to slowing the spread of COVID-19, but, inexplicably, the Governor resisted. And only on July 10th did Texas Governor Greg Abbott finally mandate the wearing of face masks, and demand the prohibition of large gatherings and the closing of bars across the state.

Elected officials must heed Wayne Gretzky’s admonition and stay ahead of the coronavirus, in order to lower its rate of transmission. That’s the only way to slow the rise of new cases.

Evidence-based policies, such as requiring masks in public, prohibiting large indoor gatherings, and indoor dining at restaurants, are important. But as we’ve seen with California, even aggressive imposition of those kinds of strictures has not been sufficient—in large part because many people, especially younger ones, have failed to comply. As California allowed businesses and public places to reopen, bars, boardwalks, and beaches became crowded with large numbers of maskless patrons. It’s no wonder, then, that as of July 13th, hospitals in the state reported a 27.8% increase in hospitalized patients over the previous 14 days and a 19.9% increase in ICU patients over that same period. In fact, as a result of noncompliance, many local governments in the Golden State have had to coordinate with law enforcement agencies to issue citations and explore civil alternatives through code enforcement, environmental health, or other local government personnel.

Of course, the need for heightened consequences for noncompliance is unfortunate, but it will help to re-flatten the curve. That will spread out the demands on hospitals, which must have sufficient space, supplies, and healthy staff to care for all those who need hospital-level care—whether for COVID-19, a stroke, trauma, emergency surgery, or childbirth. It’s strong, but necessary, medicine—which possibly could have been avoided with more intense efforts to get the public to comply with wearing masks, social distancing, and frequent hand-washing.

If politicians properly understood their role in flattening the curve, they wouldn’t have to resort to policing and ticketing. They would instead launch a tsunami of public service announcements from all manner of dignitaries and celebrities, including prominent politicians, actors, rock stars, and athletes—maybe even The Great One himself—demonstrating how we can anticipate instead of falling behind the curve.

That non-coercive strategy could be a winner.


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Henry I. Miller, M.S., M.D.
Henry I. Miller, a physician and molecular biologist, is a Senior Fellow at the Pacific Research Institute. He was the founding director of the FDA’s Office of Biotechnology.


https://humanevents.com/2020/07/14/flattening-the-curve-is-still-the-right-answer/

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28   WookieMan   2020 Jul 16, 10:05am  

thomasdong1776 says
Across 22 countries, there’s an 80% correlation between non-wearing of masks and number of deaths-per-million.

thomasdong1776 says
Containment measures are critical when and where transmission rates are high.


Which country is testing more? Which government is paying hospitals $39k to kill patients because we shut everything down and hospitals are laying people off except for ER/ICU docs and nurses? And who is to blame for saying masks were not recommended for the general public? Was that not a dumbass decision?

My SIL lives in Austria. Yes they had masks early on, but they're basically open as normal from her communications with my wife. Most people are wearing masks here in the states now. 10% of the defiant, aren't going to cause some massive outbreak when only 1% of the country is testing positive. The masks should prevent that by your logic. They haven't and we're getting a spike in new cases.

There's a reason for that. We're testing more and this virus is not a remotely lethal as it's portrayed in otherwise healthy people.
29   Eric Holder   2020 Jul 16, 10:34am  

thomasdong1776 says
has put U.S. fatalities ahead of every other country on earth.


Bullshit:



30   mell   2020 Jul 16, 10:37am  

thomasdong1776 says
When people imagine that not wearing a mask in an indoor public place is somehow an expression of their “individual freedom,” or that it’s “hurting the economy,” they’re not only endangering everyone else – they’re also ensuring that much more stringent measures will be necessary later in order to avoid mass fatalities. It’s exactly the weak, dismissive response – especially early on, but then encouraged almost daily – that has put U.S. fatalities ahead of every other country on earth.


No it's not, if you adjust for variations in testing and frequency thereof pretty much all countries follow the same pattern with infections and deaths. Indoor mask use can be mandated by the owner already at their discretion. And patrons don't have to frequent. If not used very correctly makes do make things worse. And outdoor mask use is the leftoid bullshit that is completely unscientific.
31   Al_Sharpton_for_President   2020 Jul 16, 10:38am  

thomasdong1776 says
When people imagine that not wearing a mask in an indoor public place is somehow an expression of their “individual freedom,” or that it’s “hurting the economy,” they’re not only endangering everyone else – they’re also ensuring that much more stringent measures will be necessary later in order to avoid mass fatalities. It’s exactly the weak, dismissive response – especially early on, but then encouraged almost daily – that has put U.S. fatalities ahead of every other country on earth.
Can you please provide a link to any guidance documents from Dr. Fauci or the US Surgeon General regarding protecting the vulnerable elderly population with high-risk comorbidities in assisted living facilities and nursing homes from COVID-19? Whilst fatalities are rising in Florida, it is primarily in the old, sick population. Certainly in such a national pandemic emergency, there must be such guidance documents. As you seem to care about protecting folks from COVID, you must certainly be able to provide this information.
32   Onvacation   2020 Jul 16, 11:15am  

thomasdong1776 says
Across 22 countries, there’s an 80% correlation between non-wearing of masks and number of deaths-per-million.

Source? Or just becasue.
33   mell   2020 Jul 16, 11:28am  

Eric Holder says
thomasdong1776 says
has put U.S. fatalities ahead of every other country on earth.


Bullshit:





Anybody notice anything about this graph? All curves look the same cause it's a respiratory virus and those always have the same attack and decay pattern. The only thing you can do is tell the old and vulnerable to protect themselves and everyone else to use caution at their own discretion, and you can prevent hospitals from overflowing. But NOTHING will change that curve except for treatments and vaccines.
34   WookieMan   2020 Jul 16, 12:11pm  

thomasdong1776 says
It’s exactly the weak, dismissive response – especially early on, but then encouraged almost daily – that has put U.S. fatalities ahead of every other country on earth.

Nope. Find a country in the world that will pay a hospital $39k to ventilate a patient, after they tell you to shut down elective procedures and everyone is scared to even drive by a hospital. Hospitals need revenue too. They did what they had to. Our numbers are not accurate and potentially by a large factor.
35   Eric Holder   2020 Jul 16, 12:14pm  

WookieMan says

Nope. Find a country in the world that will pay a hospital $39k to ventilate a patient, after they tell you to shut down elective procedures and everyone is scared to even drive by a hospital. Hospitals need revenue too. They did what they had to. Our numbers are not accurate and potentially by a large factor.


The only reliable number is excess deaths. Because it can't be manupilated in 1st World countries (no problem in shitholes like Russia, Iran or China). And our numbers are in line with many European countries:



Better percentages than UK, Sweden, Switzerland, France, Belgium, Spain, Netherlands...
36   Misc   2020 Jul 17, 1:01am  

Let's see... there is media hysteria about Trump moving the data collections role away from the CDC. However, on the 1st day of this new policy we have seen a hospital stating that, yes, they have been fudging the number of "cases" by a multiple of 10.

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/florida-lab-admits-its-covid-positivity-rate-was-inflated-90

WAPO carried the story too (it's paywalled), just in case liberals don't like this source,

People and especially politicians have been making policy decisions based on faulty data. So laws were broken. It's for the common good, right?
37   WookieMan   2020 Jul 17, 3:11am  

Misc says
People and especially politicians have been making policy decisions based on faulty data. So laws were broken.

Bingo. Even assume they are accurate, 1% of the entire country has supposedly tested positive. If you're lucky enough to be in that 1% of the country, you then have ~4% chance of dying. The vast majority of that 4% is people aged 60 and over. I think it's something like 80%. All this based on poor data that almost certainly is skewed towards the higher end.

So yeah, draconian shut downs even if you take the official, inflated data into account. People need to take some time and go to individual states and check the data themselves. This is not remotely as scary as the media makes it while they hide in their basements to create the illusion that it's so dangerous you can't even leave your home. It's BS.
38   Onvacation   2020 Jul 17, 4:57am  

WookieMan says
This is not remotely as scary as the media makes it while they hide in their basements to create the illusion that it's so dangerous you can't even leave your home. It's BS

If it was as contagious and deadly as advertised "essential" workers would be dropping like flies.
39   WookieMan   2020 Jul 17, 11:42am  

WTF. I just went to get new tires today for the car. Roll up and they have a tent outside. I literally don't get out of my fucking car. Discount Tire. I drive the car into the bay. Sit in it while they do the tire change and I back it out after they're done. Surreal. I regret not bringing some beer.

I've been to grocery stores, restaurants and shit, but it was the most bizarre thing I've ever experienced. Sitting inside a car getting jacked up and watching these guys work. lol. We're living the Twilight Zone.
40   Eric Holder   2020 Jul 17, 11:44am  

WookieMan says
I've been to grocery stores, restaurants and shit, but it was the most bizarre thing I've ever experienced. Sitting inside a car getting jacked up and watching these guys work. lol. We're living the Twilight Zone.


I guess you never done a custom alignment for a lightweight sports car. The "sit inside get jacked up and watch them work" has been a SOP for that forever. ;)
41   WookieMan   2020 Jul 17, 11:47am  

Eric Holder says
WookieMan says
I've been to grocery stores, restaurants and shit, but it was the most bizarre thing I've ever experienced. Sitting inside a car getting jacked up and watching these guys work. lol. We're living the Twilight Zone.


I guess you never done a custom alignment for a lightweight sports car. The "sit inside get jacked up and watch them work" has been a SOP for that forever. ;)

Not a car guy admittedly. I usually go in and have a coffee or go do something else. Was weird. They didn't want to touch the inside of the car.
42   Onvacation   2020 Jul 17, 11:50am  

Four months ago we were told, " millions are going to die. If we don't lock down and 'flatten the curve' our hospitals will be overwhelmed."

Four months later with less than 5% of the originally predicted fatalities and we are told we must stay locked down indefinitely until no new people are catching the cold.

This is so fucked up I have taken up cursing after a lifetime of abstinence.
43   Eric Holder   2020 Jul 17, 12:08pm  

Onvacation says
This is so fucked up I have taken up cursing after a lifetime of abstinence.


This is how I talk now:

www.youtube.com/embed/tL9i01ALaR0
44   georgeliberte   2020 Jul 17, 12:53pm  

If it was as contagious and deadly as advertised "essential" workers would be dropping like flies.
I am classified essential- and I essentially here.
45   mell   2020 Jul 18, 9:33am  

Singapore went to zero transmission among health care workers by rigorous hand washing and not touching your orifices and isolating those who actually had symptoms. No masks.
46   Ceffer   2020 Jul 18, 9:41am  

I like Covid incident graphs. They look like tits.
47   WookieMan   2020 Jul 18, 10:13am  

Eric Holder says
Onvacation says
This is so fucked up I have taken up cursing after a lifetime of abstinence.


This is how I talk now:

That's awesome, lol. I do swear too much admittedly. Oh well. Doesn't hurt anything.
49   mell   2020 Jul 21, 12:29pm  

thomasdong1776 says
mell says
No masks.

Lie.
https://www.loc.gov/law/foreign-news/article/singapore-government-distributes-reusable-masks-to-all-households/


try and read before replying this was in a hospital setting for health care workers:

"
Singapore had a horrid problem with PPE in their hospitals like everyone else when Covid hit and their health care workers were getting Covid just like everywhere else. Rather than screaming at people they took what they learned from SARS and instituted militant hand-washing before and after every contact with a person or thing.
They found when they did this that other than being directly exposed to someone coughing or when performing a high-aerosol procedure like intubation their staff didn't need N95s and other high-grade PPE yet their transmission rate to and between their staff went to a statistical zero.
Again: Singapore achieved statistical ZERO health care transmission almost-immediately.
"
50   WookieMan   2020 Jul 21, 1:46pm  

thomasdong1776 says
mell says
No masks.

Lie.

Covid is not dangerous. Overall deaths are up, but has anyone done the math on what age people start to drop like flies? This is way too technical for me, but I can see from the charts, age 55 is a spring board to death. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4028711/

Could the vast majority of increased deaths just be a coincidence with a huge generation hitting ~65 on average? At least here in America. Basically, would 90% of "Covid" deaths have occurred regardless of this specific virus? I've yet to see anyone prove otherwise.

Because of a large chunk of America is 60+, then it's completely viable for overall deaths to increase and it just be normal. Overall deaths in younger age brackets are seemingly unmoved. I'll try to pull the link I found earlier, but I'm convinced at this point Covid is the media overreacting and people hitting ages where they just die. ICU's in specific areas get overwhelmed all the time, so hopefully a moron doesn't bring that up. And don't bring up intubation when there's a payment that coincides with it and they are using it on half dead people anyway.
53   prodigy   2020 Jul 21, 1:54pm  

Yeah, bringing in refrigerated tractor trailers for bodies happens all the time too. Hope a moron doesn't bring that up...
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/27/opinion/coronavirus-morgue-trucks-nyc.html

WookieMan says
ICU's in specific areas get overwhelmed all the time, so hopefully a moron doesn't bring that up
54   prodigy   2020 Jul 21, 1:56pm  

Sure. We all know the average age of death in the USA is 65 years old! Hope a moron doesn't bring that up...

WookieMan says
Could the vast majority of increased deaths just be a coincidence with a huge generation hitting ~65 on average? At least here in America. Basically, would 90% of "Covid" deaths have occurred regardless of this specific virus?
55   prodigy   2020 Jul 21, 1:58pm  

Sure. Everybody knows Covid isn't dangerous. Hope a moron doesn't bring that up...
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

WookieMan says
Covid is not dangerous.
56   prodigy   2020 Jul 21, 1:59pm  

Well this explains your post...
WookieMan says
I'll try to pull the link
57   socal2   2020 Jul 21, 2:45pm  

prodigy says
Yeah, bringing in refrigerated tractor trailers for bodies happens all the time too. Hope a moron doesn't bring that up...


Yet - overall deaths in America is currently below the historical norm.

Hope a moron doesn't bring that up.

58   Onvacation   2020 Jul 21, 3:01pm  

Less than 10,000 people under the age of 55 have "died" from covid-19. Of those less than 200 were below the age of 25. Over 97,000 of the casualties were over 75 years old.

https://data.cdc.gov/NCHS/Provisional-COVID-19-Death-Counts-by-Sex-Age-and-S/9bhg-hcku

Old people die, every year. Locking down and masking perfectly healthy people is beyond stupid, it's suicidal. This is not about public health.
59   WookieMan   2020 Jul 21, 3:24pm  

prodigy says
Yeah, bringing in refrigerated tractor trailers for bodies happens all the time too. Hope a moron doesn't bring that up...

It actually does happen. Keep up buddy.... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1995_Chicago_heat_wave#Victims

Chicago heat wave of '95. Only 2 days of historic heat and 2 above average to hot days killed 739 people. Needed fridge trucks, the fucking horror!!! Covid has killed 2,732 in 20 weeks in Chicago. 4 days versus 140 days. Try harder. Research who it killed as well. Covid isn't that deadly and you've done nothing to change my opinion. There are substantially more older people now that can die from a minor flu bug. Same heat wave hits today, it would easily have killed more than Covid has to date.

You're choosing not to look at facts and data. That's your prerogative. I didn't call you or anyone specifically a moron so I'm not sure why you're repeating my line. If you think Covid is dangerous, you statistically are a moron. Prove otherwise. I get that you're likely a boomer and you can see you're on the 17th green of life, but get over it. The rest of us that literally cannot die from this would like to get back to normal.
60   Shaman   2020 Jul 21, 3:27pm  

If 1% of our population dies every year, that’s 3.5 million people who die every single year! And yet that’s not enough to keep population stable, not unless everyone lives to 100 years old. So the 140,000 people who died “of Covid” aren’t even ten percent of the expected annual death rate. Actually from the CDC website we find that the death rate last year was 2.8 MILLION people! So that’s less than the predicted 3.5 million. And that means that Covid could only account for FIVE PERCENT of all deaths this year and that’s if the count is accurate!
This puts Covid between causes like Alzheimer’s (120,000) and stroke (140,000)

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/deaths.htm

61   prodigy   2020 Jul 21, 3:58pm  

So you are saying 'covid is not able or likely to cause harm or injury'.
Your definition of "dangerous" is skewed.

dan·ger·ous
/ˈdānj(ə)rəs/
adjective
able or likely to cause harm or injury.

WookieMan says
If you think Covid is dangerous, you statistically are a moron.
62   prodigy   2020 Jul 21, 4:00pm  

People that do not understand the language should not post...it makes them look bad...

WookieMan says
If you think Covid is dangerous, you statistically are a moron
63   MisdemeanorRebel   2020 Jul 21, 4:01pm  

The 1968 Flu killed 100k people, in a far, far younger population. The median person in 1968 was about 28 years old versus 40 years old today.
64   prodigy   2020 Jul 21, 4:02pm  

If something can kill a number of human beings, it is dangerous by definition.
Who cares about age...
NoCoupForYou says
The 1968 Flu killed 100k people, in a far, far younger population. The median person in 1968 was about 28 years old versus 40 years old today.
65   prodigy   2020 Jul 21, 4:03pm  

Your choosing to use words that do not apply to the thought you are trying to express.

WookieMan says
You're choosing not to look at facts and data.
66   prodigy   2020 Jul 21, 4:05pm  

Not "all the time".
Keep up buddy!

WookieMan says
prodigy says
Yeah, bringing in refrigerated tractor trailers for bodies happens all the time too. Hope a moron doesn't bring that up...

It actually does happen. Keep up buddy

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