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Patrick
2020 Nov 16, 7:41pm
Patrick
2020 Nov 16, 7:41pm
I assume you've seen these: https://www.projectveritas.com/
And this: https://patrick.net/post/1336336?0#comment-1710193
And the statistical stuff: https://theredelephants.com/there-is-undeniable-mathematical-evidence-the-election-is-being-stolen/
BTW, if you click "watch" at the top of this post, you'll get emails of new comments.
And this: https://patrick.net/post/1336336?0#comment-1710193
And the statistical stuff: https://theredelephants.com/there-is-undeniable-mathematical-evidence-the-election-is-being-stolen/
BTW, if you click "watch" at the top of this post, you'll get emails of new comments.
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richwicks
2020 Nov 16, 7:41pm
richwicks
2020 Nov 16, 7:41pm
If you're mining the Bullshit Mountain - go over to www.thedonald.win - there's plenty of people eager there, but keep in mind, there's people that will of course try to subvert you.
Here's a post from there that somebody copied over to here:
https://www.patrick.net/post/1335847
They said their source was here: https://thedonald.win/p/11PW38X0lw/updated-oct-29th--the-last-5-mon/
Here's a post from there that somebody copied over to here:
https://www.patrick.net/post/1335847
They said their source was here: https://thedonald.win/p/11PW38X0lw/updated-oct-29th--the-last-5-mon/
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FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden
2020 Nov 16, 8:26pm
Our church group were in PA doing door knocking. Later went to watch ballot counting. The Democrats boarded place up and locked everyone out, not sure if proof, but no one boards up windows unless hiding something.
If this matters I can get a call going.
If this matters I can get a call going.
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Zak
2020 Nov 16, 9:10pm
I don't know the right way to say this in legalese, but as opposed to incidents of fraud, I believe the process of switching to mail in ballots was the thing that is the core problem. As I said in another post, to commit voting fraud in person requires you to walk in front of another person and say you are someone that you are not, or attempt to vote in a precinct you are not registered in. How can you get proof of fraud if there is no request that the person even attest to their identify? The "fraud" is the lack of attestation requirement.
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FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut
2020 Nov 16, 9:16pm
FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut
2020 Nov 16, 9:16pm
Fortwaynemobile says
I'll ask tomorrow, will get you info on this as detailed as possible. Hopefully it's something.
Did you guys see that crazy thing in Michigan where Biden was losing, suddenly 150k votes for Biden came in (with 0 for Trump)? That did not look right, statistically impossible.
Our church group were in PA doing door knocking. Later went to watch ballot counting. The Democrats boarded place up and locked everyone out, not sure if proof, but no one boards up windows unless hiding something.
If this matters I can get a call going.
I'll ask tomorrow, will get you info on this as detailed as possible. Hopefully it's something.
Did you guys see that crazy thing in Michigan where Biden was losing, suddenly 150k votes for Biden came in (with 0 for Trump)? That did not look right, statistically impossible.
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SunnyvaleCA
2020 Nov 17, 12:24am
Zak says
mail in ballots was the thing that is the core problemMain-in certainly opens up many new avenues of fraud, but I don't think the fraud part is even the biggest part of mail-in. As I outlined in a different thread, the mail-in opens up vote harvesting, which — depending on the laws of the state — isn't specifically illegal. However, vote harvesting allows people to collect votes from people who are so disinterested or disconnected from politics that they can't even be bothered to vote. In a typical presidential election (before this year), something well under 1/2 the voters actually vote; suppose an additional 20% of voters could be cajoled into giving up their ballots to harvesting for the benefit of just one political side.
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richwicks
2020 Nov 17, 12:40am
richwicks
2020 Nov 17, 12:40am
SunnyvaleCA says
No, it was done mostly through electronic voting machines. The ballots will have been destroyed by now. Why do you think George W. Bush was so eager to install electronic voting machines that are untraceable?
Anyhow, we are wasting the time of the original poster.
Main-in certainly opens up many new avenues of fraud
No, it was done mostly through electronic voting machines. The ballots will have been destroyed by now. Why do you think George W. Bush was so eager to install electronic voting machines that are untraceable?
Anyhow, we are wasting the time of the original poster.
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Onvacation
2020 Nov 17, 5:36am
Onvacation
2020 Nov 17, 5:36am
sighwhatever says
Bullshit and everyone knows it.
the terrible truth is that he was elected freely and fairly.
Bullshit and everyone knows it.
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FuckTheMainstreamMedia
2020 Nov 17, 5:46am
FuckTheMainstreamMedia
2020 Nov 17, 5:46am
sighwhatever says
Do you believe voter turnout was 90% in some states as reported?
Do you believe in a non competitive state for presidential votes that turnout in OC California was 87%?
You're wasting your time. The persons on this messageboard are smart people and I agree with them on more things than not; In 2008, they nailed the root causes of the Great Recession, but now all I see is a bunch of rubes repeating the same old 'fraud' claims that get repeatedly laughed out of court. You're so much better than this, Patrick. Also, Project Veritas has always been fraudulent litigious trash. Look, Joe Biden is a piece of poo for whose election we will all surely suffer, but the terrible truth is that he was elected freely and fairly. If it bothers you so much that you need to believe this fiction, consider Panama and Costa Rica. I sure as hell am. I say this with true compassion and respect. The 'fraud' investigations will find two or three issues here or a dozen there, but on the whole they'll be a waste of your mental energy. Move on.
Do you believe voter turnout was 90% in some states as reported?
Do you believe in a non competitive state for presidential votes that turnout in OC California was 87%?
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GreaterNYCDude
2020 Nov 17, 7:29am
I'd do a deep dive into the data: ratio of Biden votes to Trump votes to 3rd party votes in each county, particularly over time as the night unfolded, mail in votes to in person votes, turnout against historical averages, number of ballots for top line only compared to past elections, etc. Some have already posted threads about this, and there were some compelling articles, but I trust nothing I read in the internet anymore.
Purchase the datasets and have data analysis people confirm what has been reported. If there are anomalies, particularly if they are predominantly in swing states or trend towards one party over the others, thats a sign that something is amiss.. from there you need to look at the machines themselves. Were certain machines (such as the Dominon systems) flawed as reported? Thats worth pursuing.
I don't think you'll have the time to uncover a person or organization who was perpetuating said fraud, (despite the recent article in the Buffalo Times) but if there is enough ciricumatial evidence to create doubt as to the validity of the reported results that may be enough to sway state legislator or two as they decide whom to certify as electors.
I wish you well on your quest.
Purchase the datasets and have data analysis people confirm what has been reported. If there are anomalies, particularly if they are predominantly in swing states or trend towards one party over the others, thats a sign that something is amiss.. from there you need to look at the machines themselves. Were certain machines (such as the Dominon systems) flawed as reported? Thats worth pursuing.
I don't think you'll have the time to uncover a person or organization who was perpetuating said fraud, (despite the recent article in the Buffalo Times) but if there is enough ciricumatial evidence to create doubt as to the validity of the reported results that may be enough to sway state legislator or two as they decide whom to certify as electors.
I wish you well on your quest.
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Shaman
2020 Nov 17, 8:01am
Shaman
2020 Nov 17, 8:01am
First: I don’t believe the OP is sincere, but that this is a trolling attempt. Possibly with intent to demoralize the folks who know the election was stolen.
The Trump campaign has tons of evidence of fraud. They don’t need more. They need time to release it in court to add it to the public record. Some of that was done today already with the affidavit produced by a Dominion witness.
Frankly, if the Trump campaign was still fishing for fraud at this date, they are TOO LATE. Trump should have been poised to catch the fraud before it happened. And I do think he was. I still think the evidence that will be presented will be utterly convincing that the DNC stole this election by millions of votes and that the grand majority were stolen electronically.
The Trump campaign has tons of evidence of fraud. They don’t need more. They need time to release it in court to add it to the public record. Some of that was done today already with the affidavit produced by a Dominion witness.
Frankly, if the Trump campaign was still fishing for fraud at this date, they are TOO LATE. Trump should have been poised to catch the fraud before it happened. And I do think he was. I still think the evidence that will be presented will be utterly convincing that the DNC stole this election by millions of votes and that the grand majority were stolen electronically.
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Tenpoundbass
2020 Nov 17, 8:11am
Tenpoundbass
2020 Nov 17, 8:11am
What I read this as.
HI I'm Ralph I'm here to investigate the Homicide Robbery that took place at the Walgreens on 5th and Main last week.
I'm looking for all factual evidence, I don't want to hear, someone tell me, they heard gun shots, then saw a black man run out of the store with a bag in hand and cash falling out of it, jumped in his car, and fired three shots at the approaching police, then accelerated his car, jumped the curb and ran over a mother pushing a baby. Then drove off into the night leaving nothing but carnage in his wake.
Bullshit miner indeed.
And NO! Nodoby recalls you said you're an investigator working with the Trump legal team. And if you were what in the fuck do you hope to glean from a forum of a bunch of dudes that can be doccumented by their post timestamps that they were all at home posting on Patrick.net during all of the times in question?
Further more I do recall Roger Stone saying beware camp Biden is running a psyops to breakdown people's resolve and to tell them they didn't see what they saw, and even if they did. It doesn't matter.
Not only is Trump cleaning up our election process, electronic voting has to GO!
He's going to free the world from crooked dishonest rigged elections, owned by EU autocrats, Commies, and billionaire Anarchy Activist.
The voting machines and software is tied to the Venezual Communist hostile take over, and it wont happen to America.
We're Warriors all we need is General Trump to just give us the order. BLM, ANTIFA and the Faggot Brownshirt wont stand a chance.
Just wait until American Patriots start showing up at these Mayors and crooked politician's houses in the middle of the night.
We wont be yelling shit through a bullhorn to inconvenience or scare everyone.
HI I'm Ralph I'm here to investigate the Homicide Robbery that took place at the Walgreens on 5th and Main last week.
I'm looking for all factual evidence, I don't want to hear, someone tell me, they heard gun shots, then saw a black man run out of the store with a bag in hand and cash falling out of it, jumped in his car, and fired three shots at the approaching police, then accelerated his car, jumped the curb and ran over a mother pushing a baby. Then drove off into the night leaving nothing but carnage in his wake.
Bullshit miner indeed.
And NO! Nodoby recalls you said you're an investigator working with the Trump legal team. And if you were what in the fuck do you hope to glean from a forum of a bunch of dudes that can be doccumented by their post timestamps that they were all at home posting on Patrick.net during all of the times in question?
Further more I do recall Roger Stone saying beware camp Biden is running a psyops to breakdown people's resolve and to tell them they didn't see what they saw, and even if they did. It doesn't matter.
Not only is Trump cleaning up our election process, electronic voting has to GO!
He's going to free the world from crooked dishonest rigged elections, owned by EU autocrats, Commies, and billionaire Anarchy Activist.
The voting machines and software is tied to the Venezual Communist hostile take over, and it wont happen to America.
We're Warriors all we need is General Trump to just give us the order. BLM, ANTIFA and the Faggot Brownshirt wont stand a chance.
Just wait until American Patriots start showing up at these Mayors and crooked politician's houses in the middle of the night.
We wont be yelling shit through a bullhorn to inconvenience or scare everyone.
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Cdon2
2020 Nov 17, 8:13am
Patrick says
\We have someone looking at Project Veritas. Thanks
And this: https://patrick.net/post/1336336?0#comment-1710193
This is interesting. I will check it out.
Patrick says
Thanks. Unfortunately the math alone is not enough to prove fraud. Math is good to back up testimony from person X who said, "I saw the poll worker process the 4,500 fraudulent ballots which were brought in at 4AM", but on its own, it only shows anomalies which may be explained by a number of non-fraudulent factors.
I assume you've seen these: https://www.projectveritas.com/
\We have someone looking at Project Veritas. Thanks
And this: https://patrick.net/post/1336336?0#comment-1710193
This is interesting. I will check it out.
Patrick says
And the statistical stuff: https://theredelephants.com/there-is-undeniable-mathematical-evidence-the-election-is-being-stolen/
Thanks. Unfortunately the math alone is not enough to prove fraud. Math is good to back up testimony from person X who said, "I saw the poll worker process the 4,500 fraudulent ballots which were brought in at 4AM", but on its own, it only shows anomalies which may be explained by a number of non-fraudulent factors.
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Cdon2
2020 Nov 17, 8:17am
richwicks says
Thank you. Note to file, most of these are not fraud, but errors which may be actionable. Please parse out the links to stories of errors and send to MH for review. Also, I assume we know about the donald.win by now and someone is digging.
If you're mining the Bullshit Mountain - go over to www.thedonald.win - there's plenty of people eager there, but keep in mind, there's people that will of course try to subvert you.
Here's a post from there that somebody copied over to here:
https://www.patrick.net/post/1335847
They said their source was here: https://thedonald.win/p/11PW38X0lw/updated-oct-29th--the-last-5-mon/
Thank you. Note to file, most of these are not fraud, but errors which may be actionable. Please parse out the links to stories of errors and send to MH for review. Also, I assume we know about the donald.win by now and someone is digging.
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Cdon2
2020 Nov 17, 8:24am
Fortwaynemobile says
Thank you. Can I ask which county? As I noted, what usually happens is the county will sign up and train 500 people in advance, then exclude 400 because the D and R parties agree on having only 100 each, leaving 400 outside and feeling cheated. The boarded up thing which I have seen certainly looks terrible. I try to give the workers the benefit of the doubt but the lack of transparency only draws suspicion.
Our church group were in PA doing door knocking. Later went to watch ballot counting. The Democrats boarded place up and locked everyone out, not sure if proof, but no one boards up windows unless hiding something.
If this matters I can get a call going.
Thank you. Can I ask which county? As I noted, what usually happens is the county will sign up and train 500 people in advance, then exclude 400 because the D and R parties agree on having only 100 each, leaving 400 outside and feeling cheated. The boarded up thing which I have seen certainly looks terrible. I try to give the workers the benefit of the doubt but the lack of transparency only draws suspicion.
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Cdon2
2020 Nov 17, 8:28am
FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut says
Do you have a citation for this? FYI a good fraud will not show 150K to 0, but will show 135K to 15K whereas in elections past the same area came in 120K to 30K. 150K to 0 sounds like the guy who reported to the media took a lunch break or some other innocuous issue which can be shown with testimony.
I'll ask tomorrow, will get you info on this as detailed as possible. Hopefully it's something.
Did you guys see that crazy thing in Michigan where Biden was losing, suddenly 150k votes for Biden came in (with 0 for Trump)? That did not look right, statistically impossible.
Do you have a citation for this? FYI a good fraud will not show 150K to 0, but will show 135K to 15K whereas in elections past the same area came in 120K to 30K. 150K to 0 sounds like the guy who reported to the media took a lunch break or some other innocuous issue which can be shown with testimony.
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Cdon2
2020 Nov 17, 8:30am
SunnyvaleCA says
A separate issue, but noted. Thank you.
Zak saysmail in ballots was the thing that is the core problemMain-in certainly opens up many new avenues of fraud, but I don't think the fraud part is even the biggest part of mail-in. As I outlined in a different thread, the mail-in opens up vote harvesting, which — depending on the laws of the state — isn't specifically illegal. However, vote harvesting allows people to collect votes from people who are so disinterested or disconnected from politics that they can't even be bothered to vote. In a typical presidential election (before this year), something well under 1/2 the voters actually vote; suppose an additional 20% of voters could be cajoled into giving up their ballots to harvesting for the benefit of just one political side.
A separate issue, but noted. Thank you.
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CBOEtrader
2020 Nov 17, 8:36am
CBOEtrader
2020 Nov 17, 8:36am
Cdon2 says
Given the scope of the potential fraud, I'd expect to see both well executed fraud as well as some examples of hamfisted fraud.
The question is what can we do w forensic evidence alone? Even if massive anomalies are identified, i assume a court couldn't throw out those votes w/o evidence of the actual wrongdoing.
Unless trump and powell have texts and voice-mails and emails proving coordination AND the forensics showing the scale of that coordination, I am assuming this whole thing is a no go.
FYI a good fraud
Given the scope of the potential fraud, I'd expect to see both well executed fraud as well as some examples of hamfisted fraud.
The question is what can we do w forensic evidence alone? Even if massive anomalies are identified, i assume a court couldn't throw out those votes w/o evidence of the actual wrongdoing.
Unless trump and powell have texts and voice-mails and emails proving coordination AND the forensics showing the scale of that coordination, I am assuming this whole thing is a no go.
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Cdon2
2020 Nov 17, 8:38am
sighwhatever says
Dont worry, I am getting paid for this. I tell my clients, I will do their drycleaning if they agree to pay my hourly rate. Plus as I noted up top the freaking National Enquirer had proof John Edwards was a cheater 10 months before the MSM would dig into it. Guys like project veritas have real credibility issues but the 1 time out of 100 they find a legitimate issue, they will not get the benefit of the doubt because they blew it on the 99 other times they proclaimed "bombshell"! for a nothing burger.
The odds are very long, but my client who is a big supporter of POTUS wants the peace of mind knowing that they did not leave any stone unturned. This will be all over but the shouting in 2-4 weeks so its now or never, time is of the essence.
You're wasting your time.
Dont worry, I am getting paid for this. I tell my clients, I will do their drycleaning if they agree to pay my hourly rate. Plus as I noted up top the freaking National Enquirer had proof John Edwards was a cheater 10 months before the MSM would dig into it. Guys like project veritas have real credibility issues but the 1 time out of 100 they find a legitimate issue, they will not get the benefit of the doubt because they blew it on the 99 other times they proclaimed "bombshell"! for a nothing burger.
The odds are very long, but my client who is a big supporter of POTUS wants the peace of mind knowing that they did not leave any stone unturned. This will be all over but the shouting in 2-4 weeks so its now or never, time is of the essence.
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Cdon2
2020 Nov 17, 8:49am
GreaterNYCDudeIsLookingForAJob says
Thank you. For best results see of you can find timestamps from past elections and be sure to make note of dumps for Biden (if you go into court without showing you did an across the board analysis, the other side will bury you, and the judge will look to impose sanctions on the attorney who wasted the courts time). Also, the one thing I think all the statistical guys are overlooking is the anticipated "blue shift" which was anticipated well in advance of the election due to the unprecedented amounts of mail in ballots relative to a past election.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-delay/how-a-blue-shift-in-u-s-mail-ballots-might-set-off-election-week-chaos-idUSKBN25Z1I1
We knew this might happen in advance of the election, and it would be magnified due in part to Covid, and possibly because POTUS injecting an element of doubt in his base to "dont trust the mail". I dont know how you math guys can model all this out but good luck.
I'd do a deep dive into the data: ratio of Biden votes to Trump votes to 3rd party votes in each county, particularly over time as the night unfolded, mail in votes to in person votes, turnout against historical averages, number of ballots for top line only compared to past elections, etc. Some have already posted threads about this, and there were some compelling articles, but I trust nothing I read in the internet anymore.
Thank you. For best results see of you can find timestamps from past elections and be sure to make note of dumps for Biden (if you go into court without showing you did an across the board analysis, the other side will bury you, and the judge will look to impose sanctions on the attorney who wasted the courts time). Also, the one thing I think all the statistical guys are overlooking is the anticipated "blue shift" which was anticipated well in advance of the election due to the unprecedented amounts of mail in ballots relative to a past election.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-delay/how-a-blue-shift-in-u-s-mail-ballots-might-set-off-election-week-chaos-idUSKBN25Z1I1
We knew this might happen in advance of the election, and it would be magnified due in part to Covid, and possibly because POTUS injecting an element of doubt in his base to "dont trust the mail". I dont know how you math guys can model all this out but good luck.
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MisdemeanorRebel
2020 Nov 17, 9:02am
MisdemeanorRebel
2020 Nov 17, 9:02am
Cdon2 says
Problem is, this didn't happen. The Republicans have fended off all but one Senate challenge in a year they were most vulnerable (2/3 of seats were Republican Defending Incumbents) and GAINED seats in the House, looks like almost twelve so far.
Not only did a Blue Wave not materialize, it was a bit of a spring Red Tide.
Other yellow flags:
Nobody has won Ohio or Florida but lost the Presidency in half a century or more, losing despite winning FL & OH together much longer than that I believe.
First time use of massive unsolicited ballots in US History (PA went from under 300k mail ballots of all kinds, to over 3M between 2016 and 2020)
Massive blank downvote discrepancy (Only 800 Trump only votes vs. 95k Biden Only votes in Georgia)
Massive difference in rejected mail in ballots in several states vs past years (ie .3% vs. 3.0% in Pennsylvania, despite an explosion of mail ballot usage, very odd)
Any one of these could be handwaved away, but all of them together merit a massive investigation.
Also, the one thing I think all the statistical guys are overlooking is the anticipated "blue shift" which was anticipated well in advance of the election due to the unprecedented amounts of mail in ballots relative to a past election.
Problem is, this didn't happen. The Republicans have fended off all but one Senate challenge in a year they were most vulnerable (2/3 of seats were Republican Defending Incumbents) and GAINED seats in the House, looks like almost twelve so far.
Not only did a Blue Wave not materialize, it was a bit of a spring Red Tide.
Other yellow flags:
Nobody has won Ohio or Florida but lost the Presidency in half a century or more, losing despite winning FL & OH together much longer than that I believe.
First time use of massive unsolicited ballots in US History (PA went from under 300k mail ballots of all kinds, to over 3M between 2016 and 2020)
Massive blank downvote discrepancy (Only 800 Trump only votes vs. 95k Biden Only votes in Georgia)
Massive difference in rejected mail in ballots in several states vs past years (ie .3% vs. 3.0% in Pennsylvania, despite an explosion of mail ballot usage, very odd)
Any one of these could be handwaved away, but all of them together merit a massive investigation.
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Tenpoundbass
2020 Nov 17, 9:07am
Tenpoundbass
2020 Nov 17, 9:07am
Cdon2 says
That simply didn't happen, everywhere around the country, the Blue mail ins were not substantial enough to tip the election so lopsided in Biden's favor.
And combined with the outright attempt to mitigate the damaging mounting evidence, it doesn't pass the smell test.
We've spent the last 4 years of constant hearings and investigations into Trump over anonymous rumors.
Now for the entire Obama legacy apparatus, is trying to gas light Trump's base by telling us to ignore the evidence of fraud, and the unethical way they counted votes.
IT should disqualify the Democrats on that alone.
If I were Trump I would put it to them like this.
My ouster will oust me in a fair honest open election that has no unethical biased and not managed by Thugs threatening poll watchers.
Also you tried to dismiss the poll watchers as random dudes showing up, when that simply wasn't the case. These were the credentialed Poll watchers that were turned away in every Democrat town that ran this game. Even after some legal wrangling to get the poll watchers back, they were placed so far back they can't verify the poll workers were keeping it honest.
This is not how you run and election and as far as I'm concerned I don't want it over turned, I don't want it validated, I want this election tossed and all of the grifters thrown out of the election process. And in person voting only election take place. Where as many people that want to watch the polls as possible may watch. And if anyone gets disruptive, they get hauled away in handcuffs. That goes for the GOP watchers as well as the DNC goons, trying to impede them.
Also, the one thing I think all the statistical guys are overlooking is the anticipated "blue shift" which was anticipated well in advance of the election due to the unprecedented amounts of mail in ballots relative to a past election.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-election-delay/how-a-blue-shift-in-u-s-mail-ballots-might-set-off-election-week-chaos-idUSKBN25Z1I1
We knew this might happen in advance of the election, and it would be magnified due in part to Covid, and possibly because POTUS injecting an element of doubt in his base to "dont trust the mail". I dont know how you math guys can model all this out but good luck.
That simply didn't happen, everywhere around the country, the Blue mail ins were not substantial enough to tip the election so lopsided in Biden's favor.
And combined with the outright attempt to mitigate the damaging mounting evidence, it doesn't pass the smell test.
We've spent the last 4 years of constant hearings and investigations into Trump over anonymous rumors.
Now for the entire Obama legacy apparatus, is trying to gas light Trump's base by telling us to ignore the evidence of fraud, and the unethical way they counted votes.
IT should disqualify the Democrats on that alone.
If I were Trump I would put it to them like this.
My ouster will oust me in a fair honest open election that has no unethical biased and not managed by Thugs threatening poll watchers.
Also you tried to dismiss the poll watchers as random dudes showing up, when that simply wasn't the case. These were the credentialed Poll watchers that were turned away in every Democrat town that ran this game. Even after some legal wrangling to get the poll watchers back, they were placed so far back they can't verify the poll workers were keeping it honest.
This is not how you run and election and as far as I'm concerned I don't want it over turned, I don't want it validated, I want this election tossed and all of the grifters thrown out of the election process. And in person voting only election take place. Where as many people that want to watch the polls as possible may watch. And if anyone gets disruptive, they get hauled away in handcuffs. That goes for the GOP watchers as well as the DNC goons, trying to impede them.
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MisdemeanorRebel
2020 Nov 17, 9:09am
MisdemeanorRebel
2020 Nov 17, 9:09am
Ah, TPB, another massive discrepancy:
Pollwatchers on In-person Election Day were not harassed and allowed to roam in Detroit and Philly.
It was when they started counting the Mail In Votes that racial epithets, mocking, abused distancing rules (6' from the first table, not 6' from any table), herding Republican pollwatchers, etc. began. Oh, and secret counting, telling the pollwatchers and media they were shutting down for the night, but actually still counting with the reporting off for a while. That happened in 5 states simultaneously, as if they were all in telepathy with each other, or more likely working based on a central command order from outside the state (illegal)
During in-person, there were few or none of these problems.
Pollwatchers on In-person Election Day were not harassed and allowed to roam in Detroit and Philly.
It was when they started counting the Mail In Votes that racial epithets, mocking, abused distancing rules (6' from the first table, not 6' from any table), herding Republican pollwatchers, etc. began. Oh, and secret counting, telling the pollwatchers and media they were shutting down for the night, but actually still counting with the reporting off for a while. That happened in 5 states simultaneously, as if they were all in telepathy with each other, or more likely working based on a central command order from outside the state (illegal)
During in-person, there were few or none of these problems.
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Tenpoundbass
2020 Nov 17, 9:12am
Tenpoundbass
2020 Nov 17, 9:12am
Cdon2 says
I have a huge problem with this guy here, because this is his first post here!
Be careful what you tell him. Sounds like a DNC damage mitigation.
All – you may remember me, but my firm is working on an amicus
I have a huge problem with this guy here, because this is his first post here!
Be careful what you tell him. Sounds like a DNC damage mitigation.
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MisdemeanorRebel
2020 Nov 17, 9:25am
MisdemeanorRebel
2020 Nov 17, 9:25am
The best place to ask these questions, if Genuine, is thedonald.win
Post there and you'll get more sources, documents, explanations than you know what to do with.
Post there and you'll get more sources, documents, explanations than you know what to do with.
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Cdon2
2020 Nov 17, 9:26am
NoCoupForYou says
Please re-read the article. Not a blue wave, but a blue shift. In 30 some odd states, you are not legally allowed to count mail ins and or early votes until election night. If the R voters showed up at the polls disproportionately to the D's there would be an initial, and massive lead in vote counts. In normal years where the mail in/early (which apparently skews D) was a small percentage of the count it wasnt as noticeable, but this year with an outsized mail in and early votes being massive, we saw a huge lead evaporate.
Not only did a Blue Wave not materialize, it was a bit of a spring Red Tide.
Please re-read the article. Not a blue wave, but a blue shift. In 30 some odd states, you are not legally allowed to count mail ins and or early votes until election night. If the R voters showed up at the polls disproportionately to the D's there would be an initial, and massive lead in vote counts. In normal years where the mail in/early (which apparently skews D) was a small percentage of the count it wasnt as noticeable, but this year with an outsized mail in and early votes being massive, we saw a huge lead evaporate.
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Cdon2
2020 Nov 17, 9:29am
NoCoupForYou says
This is interesting. Do you have a citation?
Massive blank downvote discrepancy (Only 800 Trump only votes vs. 95k Biden Only votes in Georgia)
This is interesting. Do you have a citation?
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Cdon2
2020 Nov 17, 9:32am
Tenpoundbass says
I used to be Cdon when this was a housing site. I get that you find me suspect, but please give me the benefit of the doubt. In a few weeks I will be gone, and you can shit on me all you want. In the meantime, please try to stay focused, (and I will try to do better not to respond to all the chirping :)
I have a huge problem with this guy here, because this is his first post here!
I used to be Cdon when this was a housing site. I get that you find me suspect, but please give me the benefit of the doubt. In a few weeks I will be gone, and you can shit on me all you want. In the meantime, please try to stay focused, (and I will try to do better not to respond to all the chirping :)
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MisdemeanorRebel
2020 Nov 17, 9:33am
MisdemeanorRebel
2020 Nov 17, 9:33am
Cdon2 says
It's interesting in States like Florida who kept running tallies on a county-by-county level daily of BOTH the Early and Mail Ballots, these mysterious huge reversing waves didn't materialize.
PA and FL were both swing states, with roughly similar 2016 results, so why would counting all at once instead of ongoing over weeks effect the final result?
Harder to swing an election with "miraculous" mail in ballots when you're tallying as you go, and the other side doesn't know exactly how much they need to manufacture towards the end of the in person tally at 10-11PM
It's also interesting that it was "Count Every Vote" for several days after Election Day, up until Biden had a lead outside the mandatory recount scope, then it became "The election is fucking over already" within a span of hours.
PA & GA found even more 85% mail in ballots in the past 24-48 hours, almost 2 weeks after Election Day
but this year with an outsized mail in and early votes being massive, we saw a huge lead evaporate.
It's interesting in States like Florida who kept running tallies on a county-by-county level daily of BOTH the Early and Mail Ballots, these mysterious huge reversing waves didn't materialize.
PA and FL were both swing states, with roughly similar 2016 results, so why would counting all at once instead of ongoing over weeks effect the final result?
Harder to swing an election with "miraculous" mail in ballots when you're tallying as you go, and the other side doesn't know exactly how much they need to manufacture towards the end of the in person tally at 10-11PM
It's also interesting that it was "Count Every Vote" for several days after Election Day, up until Biden had a lead outside the mandatory recount scope, then it became "The election is fucking over already" within a span of hours.
PA & GA found even more 85% mail in ballots in the past 24-48 hours, almost 2 weeks after Election Day
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MisdemeanorRebel
2020 Nov 17, 9:35am
MisdemeanorRebel
2020 Nov 17, 9:35am
Cdon2 says
Check the other threads, I'm pretty sure it was posted here.
I'm not getting paid by billing by the hour. :)
This is interesting. Do you have a citation?
Check the other threads, I'm pretty sure it was posted here.
I'm not getting paid by billing by the hour. :)
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Tenpoundbass
2020 Nov 17, 9:38am
Tenpoundbass
2020 Nov 17, 9:38am
There's just no way to spin what happened. Every state in America were able to deal with their mail in votes in a timely manner, and didn't need FOX and CNN prefacing an election steal, by not calling states that went to Donald Trump.
How come the media wasn't so dead straight that all of the other states Trump won, wasn't going to flip over mail in ballots. And how come they can process 100's of thousands of votes on election night, but then the days after they make 100K more votes a daunting task that will take days or weeks to count? Also how is it that many States weren't sure how many votes they had come in, and still to count?
How come the media wasn't so dead straight that all of the other states Trump won, wasn't going to flip over mail in ballots. And how come they can process 100's of thousands of votes on election night, but then the days after they make 100K more votes a daunting task that will take days or weeks to count? Also how is it that many States weren't sure how many votes they had come in, and still to count?
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richwicks
2020 Nov 17, 9:39am
richwicks
2020 Nov 17, 9:39am
sighwhatever says
.. at 5:00 in the morning, in 5 states when ballot counting was suspended, with the largest voter turnout in history, greater than FDR, greater than anything, ever in all our history.
Just so strange you never saw a campaign event of his with more than 50 people, and Trump, had stadiums, and parking lots outside of stadiums, filled with enthusiastic supporters.
Yes, he certainly won freely and fairly:
www.youtube.com/embed/MA8a2g6tTp0
I mean, the guy is deep in dementia, he can't even tell the difference between voter fraud and election fraud. Clearly that old corpse, won, fair and square, most voters ever in American history.
but the terrible truth is that he was elected freely and fairly.
.. at 5:00 in the morning, in 5 states when ballot counting was suspended, with the largest voter turnout in history, greater than FDR, greater than anything, ever in all our history.
Just so strange you never saw a campaign event of his with more than 50 people, and Trump, had stadiums, and parking lots outside of stadiums, filled with enthusiastic supporters.
Yes, he certainly won freely and fairly:
www.youtube.com/embed/MA8a2g6tTp0
I mean, the guy is deep in dementia, he can't even tell the difference between voter fraud and election fraud. Clearly that old corpse, won, fair and square, most voters ever in American history.
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Patrick
2020 Nov 17, 9:43am
Patrick
2020 Nov 17, 9:43am
Cdon2 says
Yes, I'm sure Cdon2 is for real. An old time user come back.
I used to be Cdon when this was a housing site.
Yes, I'm sure Cdon2 is for real. An old time user come back.
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BoomAndBustCycle
2020 Nov 17, 9:47am
Onvacation says
I 100% believe voter turnout is realistic. Trump got the 2nd most votes in history. By claiming voter turnout was fraud... you are claiming a large percentage of Trumps votes are fraud too!
The actual final numbers in big cities in blue states aren’t that crazy... I already pointed out Trump did better than Hilary in Philly. It’s the poll watchers in the thousands of red counties that must have been cheating for the numbers to work out. Biden is going to win by 6 million freaking votes! Trump barely won in 2016 states he lost this election... it’s not unreasonable to think Biden would eke out a win with that kind of broad popular vote lead. It’s more mathematically unrealistic for him to lose!
Bullshit and everyone knows it.
I 100% believe voter turnout is realistic. Trump got the 2nd most votes in history. By claiming voter turnout was fraud... you are claiming a large percentage of Trumps votes are fraud too!
The actual final numbers in big cities in blue states aren’t that crazy... I already pointed out Trump did better than Hilary in Philly. It’s the poll watchers in the thousands of red counties that must have been cheating for the numbers to work out. Biden is going to win by 6 million freaking votes! Trump barely won in 2016 states he lost this election... it’s not unreasonable to think Biden would eke out a win with that kind of broad popular vote lead. It’s more mathematically unrealistic for him to lose!
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Cdon2
2020 Nov 17, 10:13am
NoCoupForYou says
Correct. Apparently FL was permitted to count the mail ins when received so you would not have a massive skew the way you had in PA where they were not permitted to do so.
NoCoupForYou says
I think the final results were within reason but the early returns made it look like it was no contest due in part to the order of when different types of ballots were counted. Imagine the rule was you first counted large, urban counties (which skew D) first and only got to small, rural counties (skewing R) later in the evening. Watching in real time, you would expect to see a massive D lead get whittled away over time until eventually it was close to even. Likewise, if you went with small counties first, you would expect to see a massive R lead early, only to evaporate over the course of the night. This isnt how they counted obviously, but its reasonable to assume that the order in which you count ballots will greatly affect real time results.
I hear that in Britain they do not announce any results until everything is counted. Imagine how different it would appear (perception wise) to everyone if we here did not get to see the massive swings, just the end count.
It's interesting in States like Florida who kept running tallies on a county-by-county level daily of BOTH the Early and Mail Ballots, these mysterious huge reversing waves didn't materialize.
Correct. Apparently FL was permitted to count the mail ins when received so you would not have a massive skew the way you had in PA where they were not permitted to do so.
NoCoupForYou says
PA and FL were both swing states, with roughly similar 2016 results, so why would counting all at once instead of ongoing over weeks effect the final result?
I think the final results were within reason but the early returns made it look like it was no contest due in part to the order of when different types of ballots were counted. Imagine the rule was you first counted large, urban counties (which skew D) first and only got to small, rural counties (skewing R) later in the evening. Watching in real time, you would expect to see a massive D lead get whittled away over time until eventually it was close to even. Likewise, if you went with small counties first, you would expect to see a massive R lead early, only to evaporate over the course of the night. This isnt how they counted obviously, but its reasonable to assume that the order in which you count ballots will greatly affect real time results.
I hear that in Britain they do not announce any results until everything is counted. Imagine how different it would appear (perception wise) to everyone if we here did not get to see the massive swings, just the end count.
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Cdon2
2020 Nov 17, 10:15am
NoCoupForYou says
Fair enough :) I know how to search a few ways and will do so. Do you recall if it was you or someone other than you? If you dont remember, no worries.
Check the other threads, I'm pretty sure it was posted here.
I'm not getting paid by billing by the hour. :)
Fair enough :) I know how to search a few ways and will do so. Do you recall if it was you or someone other than you? If you dont remember, no worries.
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Onvacation
2020 Nov 17, 10:17am
Onvacation
2020 Nov 17, 10:17am
Cdon2 says
Whose side are you on?
but this year with an outsized mail in and early votes being massive, we saw a huge lead evaporate.
Whose side are you on?
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Tenpoundbass
2020 Nov 17, 10:29am
Tenpoundbass
2020 Nov 17, 10:29am
Cdon2 says
Briton has a track record of electing the shittiest people to prevent the will of England. These people aren't intentionally electing Theresa May she's being chosen for them. After the voters are all counted.
I hear that in Britain they do not announce any results until everything is counted. Imagine how different it would appear (perception wise) to everyone if we here did not get to see the massive swings, just the end count.
Briton has a track record of electing the shittiest people to prevent the will of England. These people aren't intentionally electing Theresa May she's being chosen for them. After the voters are all counted.
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mell
2020 Nov 17, 10:38am
Tenpoundbass says
Lol right Britain also had umpteen brexit referendums and even though they never got a positive vote they're still trying to somehow stay part of the EU clearly against the will of its people.
Cdon2 saysI hear that in Britain they do not announce any results until everything is counted. Imagine how different it would appear (perception wise) to everyone if we here did not get to see the massive swings, just the end count.
Briton has a track record of electing the shittiest people to prevent the will of England. These people aren't intentionally electing Theresa May she's being chosen for them. After the voters are all counted.
Lol right Britain also had umpteen brexit referendums and even though they never got a positive vote they're still trying to somehow stay part of the EU clearly against the will of its people.
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Use your best discretion of what you think is useful, just understand that our time for filing is limited and I may give you a bit of pushback because, the threshold for fraud in elections is incredibly high. After its clear they lost, losing sides often like to allege fraud or other malfeasance, but historically, these claims are a waste of time. Also, if you allege fraud and you cannot present credible evidence of it, detailed in particulars, not only will your client lose, the attorney likely will be sanctioned, and if the pleading is egregious, the attorney will lose their license. Thus, you may have noted that while Trump's team has often claimed procedural errors in the vein of due process and equal protection, to my knowledge they have not even alleged fraud because unless you can "bring the goods" you as the attorney are putting not just your reputation, but your actual livelihood on the line.
I will take whatever you can give me, but 2 things I dont want to hear:
WE WERENT ALLOWED IN TO WATCH!!! While this is a good talking point for TV, this happens every time in every election, and proves nothing. Typically, a county allocates say 50 republican watchers, 50 democrat watchers, 10 non partisan and this is agreed upon by all months in advance. However in highly contested elections, EVERYONE and their brother descends upon one location, eventually the building gets overloaded at 2X capacity, and then the massive overflow of partisans cries foul as they believe their not being there is fraud. In other words, just because your guy cant get in doesn't mean that any partisans on your side werent there. You may have noticed that (when pressed) trump's counsel has repeatedly had to to admit there was at all times at least one republican in the room. *Caveat, if you find someone who was on the INSIDE and can claim that the number of republican watchers was less than the agreed upon amount, we may have something. * FURTHER CAVEAT, I am revising my earlier statement here. I assumed and I dismissed the early claim "I wasnt allowed in" because that turned out to be false in Philadelphia when trumps counsel admitted to the "non zero number" of R side people there. There may very well be other areas in other states where no one from the R side was there. However, it will never be proven by some random person who said, I wasnt allowed in. Just because you werent allowed in, doesnt mean that no R side parties were allowed in. It will be proven by a R election challenger or similar person who cannot certify or is willing to say in an interview "there was no one in the room from the R side".
DEAD PEOPLE VOTED!!! No matter what the MSM says, this IS fraud, but in my experience, not actionable. Often times, it is a ledger of say 15 or 20 dead people who got ballots but not necessarily an indication someone filled them out and sent them back in. Also, when these votes are filled in and returned, they often vote not just for "the other guy" but your guy as well. In other words your hoped for swing of 15 or 20 becomes 4 or 5 once you net them all out and that is not what we are looking for here. Caveat, I do want to hear of egregious roles of say 500+ dead people were sent ballots, but for anything less than this, the juice isnt really worth the squeeze.
I know this is a long shot, but as you all may know, it was the National Enquirer which broke the story of presidential candidate John Edwards love child 10 months before the MSM would address it. So please give me whatever you got and let me at least take a cursory look at it. Thanks in advance for your help!