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MisdemeanorRebel
2020 Nov 20, 1:25pm
MisdemeanorRebel
2020 Nov 20, 1:25pm
sikhguy says
Powell is an infamous go getter.
Giuliani busted up 5 Mafia Families, including all of the Genovese and John Gotti himself. Some of these in existence for 100 years with their tentacles sucked tight on the Trash Pickup and a shitload of other things in NYC for generations. He's also busted dozens of election fraud cases.
Something to keep in mind if you doubt the veracity of their claims and the case they're building.
I am just hearing on this site and claims, That there were a server in Germany and network ports opened to 3-4 anti-US countries to manipulate votes.It is also claimed that this server is claimed by US forces.
Powell is an infamous go getter.
Giuliani busted up 5 Mafia Families, including all of the Genovese and John Gotti himself. Some of these in existence for 100 years with their tentacles sucked tight on the Trash Pickup and a shitload of other things in NYC for generations. He's also busted dozens of election fraud cases.
Something to keep in mind if you doubt the veracity of their claims and the case they're building.
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Patrick
2020 Nov 20, 1:29pm
Patrick
2020 Nov 20, 1:29pm
TrumpingTits says
@TrumpingTits come on, that's irrelevant and not helping anything.
If the guy says he's American, he's one of us now.
240 million Indians will still refuse to use a toilet
@TrumpingTits come on, that's irrelevant and not helping anything.
If the guy says he's American, he's one of us now.
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mell
2020 Nov 20, 1:29pm
She's no techie, but I have no doubt that this is a totally realistic scenario. Do you think anybody checks anything these days when it comes to tech? You have spamazon employees listening in on Alexa consumer sheep, cameras and microphones that can be turned on and off on a whim - and you expect a bureaucrat to catch that? Ports are left open all the time, it's very easy to get remote access to almost any machine that is not properly secured by an absolute geek. I think the allure of such a scheme lies in the fact that people will have a hard time believing it, aka plausible deniability.
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mell
2020 Nov 20, 1:33pm
Plus companies these days are all global, with a jungle of subdivisions and subsidiaries in many countries. The only way to prevent fraud is to demand that everything wrt electronic voting is carried out on American soil only by a purely American company, under supervision from properly vetted NSA cybersecurity experts. And/or open source everything, but then you still have to prove that the code running in those machines is actually the code you open sourced.
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mell
2020 Nov 20, 1:35pm
sikhguy says
I'm pretty sure there was a raid and servers (why would they say so if there wasn't?), but they will need to prove more and this is definitely tricky. But I have zero doubt believing that this is more than possible. Pretty much any piece of technology you use these days was made in another country.
@mell
If there was a server and raided and we found nothing in it. It is all good.
But if there was no server, no raid .. then It discredits everything including the "data manipulation" case.I hope Trump running tight ship.
@patrick
I don't mind people blaring nonsense.Somebody asked me yesterday to show there is no racism in GOP. He has his example in @TrumpingTits .
I'm pretty sure there was a raid and servers (why would they say so if there wasn't?), but they will need to prove more and this is definitely tricky. But I have zero doubt believing that this is more than possible. Pretty much any piece of technology you use these days was made in another country.
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Patrick
2020 Nov 20, 1:48pm
Patrick
2020 Nov 20, 1:48pm
sikhguy says
No, I didn't say that.
In my readme.txt I said that angry people are often angry at themselves.
I think patrick said perpetual anger is also racism.
No, I didn't say that.
In my readme.txt I said that angry people are often angry at themselves.
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Patrick
2020 Nov 20, 1:50pm
Patrick
2020 Nov 20, 1:50pm
TrumpingTits says
Because it's completely unrelated to the topic of the original post, a deliberate personal insult.
If you want to start a post about Indian toilets or lack thereof, go ahead.
How is telling the truth 'waycist'?
Because it's completely unrelated to the topic of the original post, a deliberate personal insult.
If you want to start a post about Indian toilets or lack thereof, go ahead.
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GlocknLoad
2020 Nov 20, 1:58pm
GlocknLoad
2020 Nov 20, 1:58pm
If Trump, Powell and Rudy are bluffing, it will make them look like dumbfucks for sure. It would ruin any good Trump has done even. They had better have something.
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clambo
2020 Nov 20, 2:04pm
Since the author hasn't read Skrunk and White, I'm not sure if he predicted the Trump will be a laughing stock or not.
I suggest sikh just watch the YouTube of Giuliani and Powell instead of reading someone else's written impression of what they said.
Idiots and Democrats believe that Biden got hundreds of thousands of votes at 3:30am, just all of a sudden.
I suggest sikh just watch the YouTube of Giuliani and Powell instead of reading someone else's written impression of what they said.
Idiots and Democrats believe that Biden got hundreds of thousands of votes at 3:30am, just all of a sudden.
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Ceffer
2020 Nov 20, 2:14pm
Ceffer
2020 Nov 20, 2:14pm
I don't think Team Trump are bluffing. Trump is first and foremost a negotiator. I think Powell's sword rattling is more about shaking the tree to see what falls out, but holding out the possibility of latitude. It's more like a DA settling with perps to allow an outcome in which some might walk if they talk. The result will be imperfect, but will work toward a particular goal.
The gamble is that if Trump finds his path to holding on to the White House, do you really want to be on the wrong side of things when he loses all of his inhibitions about prosecution?
I think they are trying to expedite things to get Trump into victory, and while things are 'soft', they might be amenable. When things go 'hard', those opportunities might be too little too late for the guilty.
The gamble is that if Trump finds his path to holding on to the White House, do you really want to be on the wrong side of things when he loses all of his inhibitions about prosecution?
I think they are trying to expedite things to get Trump into victory, and while things are 'soft', they might be amenable. When things go 'hard', those opportunities might be too little too late for the guilty.
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Rin
2020 Nov 20, 2:20pm
Rin
2020 Nov 20, 2:20pm
sikhguy says
The expression is 'Go Big or Go Home!'
And since Trump's "officially" out on 1/21/21, either he goes for it (which is basically tossing the kitchen sink including the possible use of martial law) or leaves unceremoniously anyways, as the media will always cast the 'Trump Years' as an aberration to the American political dynamic than the norm.
Assume tomorrow we find this all is untrue, trump will become laughing stock of the world.
The expression is 'Go Big or Go Home!'
And since Trump's "officially" out on 1/21/21, either he goes for it (which is basically tossing the kitchen sink including the possible use of martial law) or leaves unceremoniously anyways, as the media will always cast the 'Trump Years' as an aberration to the American political dynamic than the norm.
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MisdemeanorRebel
2020 Nov 20, 3:42pm
MisdemeanorRebel
2020 Nov 20, 3:42pm
Ceffer says
Bingo. They're offering them an exit to back down, if not, Trump has the goods.
He's got the golden MacGuffin, and they may suspect he does as well - the smarter ones away.
Part of the reason to have a Controlled Opposition is to get Early Warning if Real Opposition poses a threat.
That's why Tucker's staff tried to annoy Powell into giving them a lot more (although I suspect Powell's knowledge, with her knowledge, of the Golden MacGuffin, is very vague)
Whereas Trump is using the legal battles to see who defects and/or was a Swamp Creature. The CISA was probably a false front; it may have unwittingly provided more evidence of Swamp Creature interference.
The Golden MacGuffin is going to be easily understandable by Joe Schmoe and not require lectures about Benford's Law, which is why I strongly suspect it's either the raw data
(ie True Election Results) on the confiscated servers, 33 Thomas Street Intercepts of Electronic/Phone Comms between Dominion and Various Actors particularly around 11PM EST, or terrified highly placed Dominion Employees or even Big Dem Operators looking to avoid a Sedition Charge.
The huge mistake Gloomers make is that they assign to the enemy inhuman levels of competence, non-laziness, omniscience, etc.
I don't think Team Trump are bluffing. Trump is first and foremost a negotiator. I think Powell's sword rattling is more about shaking the tree to see what falls out, but holding out the possibility of latitude. It's more like a DA settling with perps to allow an outcome in which some might walk if they talk. The result will be imperfect, but will work toward a particular goal.
Bingo. They're offering them an exit to back down, if not, Trump has the goods.
He's got the golden MacGuffin, and they may suspect he does as well - the smarter ones away.
Part of the reason to have a Controlled Opposition is to get Early Warning if Real Opposition poses a threat.
That's why Tucker's staff tried to annoy Powell into giving them a lot more (although I suspect Powell's knowledge, with her knowledge, of the Golden MacGuffin, is very vague)
Whereas Trump is using the legal battles to see who defects and/or was a Swamp Creature. The CISA was probably a false front; it may have unwittingly provided more evidence of Swamp Creature interference.
The Golden MacGuffin is going to be easily understandable by Joe Schmoe and not require lectures about Benford's Law, which is why I strongly suspect it's either the raw data
(ie True Election Results) on the confiscated servers, 33 Thomas Street Intercepts of Electronic/Phone Comms between Dominion and Various Actors particularly around 11PM EST, or terrified highly placed Dominion Employees or even Big Dem Operators looking to avoid a Sedition Charge.
The huge mistake Gloomers make is that they assign to the enemy inhuman levels of competence, non-laziness, omniscience, etc.
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mell
2020 Nov 20, 3:49pm
NoCoupForYou says
Sure but Benford's law is not that hard to understand. It's very basic statistics and probabilities. If the leftoid schools wouldn't have failed their students by teaching unscientific race baiting bullshit and liberal arts as opposed to math they would all understand easily. It's all part of the plan. Anybody with an advanced science or math degree can grok this within minutes if not seconds, that the distribution of votes as they happened over time was impossible.
The Golden MacGuffin is going to be easily understandable by Joe Schmoe and not require lectures about Benford's Law, which is why I strongly suspect it's either the raw data
(ie True Election Results) on the confiscated servers, 33 Thomas Street Intercepts of Electronic/Phone Comms between Dominion and Various Actors particularly around 11PM EST, or terrified highly placed Dominion Employees or even Big Dem Operators looking to avoid a Sedition Charge.
Sure but Benford's law is not that hard to understand. It's very basic statistics and probabilities. If the leftoid schools wouldn't have failed their students by teaching unscientific race baiting bullshit and liberal arts as opposed to math they would all understand easily. It's all part of the plan. Anybody with an advanced science or math degree can grok this within minutes if not seconds, that the distribution of votes as they happened over time was impossible.
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Ceffer
2020 Nov 20, 3:58pm
Ceffer
2020 Nov 20, 3:58pm
mell says
Math is evil.
Sure but Benford's law is not that hard to understand. It's very basic statistics and probabilities.
Math is evil.
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Bd6r
2020 Nov 20, 4:49pm
Bd6r
2020 Nov 20, 4:49pm
APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostakovitch says
I think it is Biden supporters who skullfuck America.
https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1327731532828577793
TRUMP WILL SKULLFUCK AMERICA!
I think it is Biden supporters who skullfuck America.
https://twitter.com/stillgray/status/1327731532828577793
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clambo
2020 Nov 20, 5:31pm
Sikh asked me what I think may happen.
I don’t know, but I think if this goes to the Supreme Court, Biden and Harris are dead meat.
Justice Thomas hates Biden, and Justice Kavanaugh hates Harris.
Alito is pissed off that Pennsylvania disobeyed his order to separate ballots received later than November 3.
They didn’t.
In 2000 Bush vs Gore, several lawyers on the Bush side are now on the Supreme Court.
Roberts, Barrett, Gorsuch, Kavanaugh were on the Bush team.
The evidence will be overwhelming that Trump won the legal votes.
How this is resolved I don’t know.
I’m curious how long Biden would even last if he actually took office.
He’s a figurehead, he’s not even capable of speaking.
He’ll resign and say it’s a “health issue.”
I don’t know, but I think if this goes to the Supreme Court, Biden and Harris are dead meat.
Justice Thomas hates Biden, and Justice Kavanaugh hates Harris.
Alito is pissed off that Pennsylvania disobeyed his order to separate ballots received later than November 3.
They didn’t.
In 2000 Bush vs Gore, several lawyers on the Bush side are now on the Supreme Court.
Roberts, Barrett, Gorsuch, Kavanaugh were on the Bush team.
The evidence will be overwhelming that Trump won the legal votes.
How this is resolved I don’t know.
I’m curious how long Biden would even last if he actually took office.
He’s a figurehead, he’s not even capable of speaking.
He’ll resign and say it’s a “health issue.”
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MisdemeanorRebel
2020 Nov 20, 7:21pm
MisdemeanorRebel
2020 Nov 20, 7:21pm
clambo says
And Thomas ruled in favor of Bush in B vs. G.
That's 5 SCOTUS Judges who will have to go back on their previous cases or rulings to agree that State Houses don't have total unchecked and supreme power to regulate elections.
6 if you include the fact that Alito said publicly at an event that he held "B v. G" to be good law and precedence.
Roberts, Barrett, Gorsuch, Kavanaugh were on the Bush team.
And Thomas ruled in favor of Bush in B vs. G.
That's 5 SCOTUS Judges who will have to go back on their previous cases or rulings to agree that State Houses don't have total unchecked and supreme power to regulate elections.
6 if you include the fact that Alito said publicly at an event that he held "B v. G" to be good law and precedence.
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MisdemeanorRebel
2020 Nov 20, 8:10pm
MisdemeanorRebel
2020 Nov 20, 8:10pm
sikhguy says
40% of Americans think there was enough Voter Fraud to change the outcome of the election - November 10th.
https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/9j7sr0my95/econTabReport.pdf
The Media's excuse is that they were "Primed" to think of Fraud, but the Media pushed the opinion (not fact) that Election Fraud was "Exceedingly Rare" for months and that Election Results "Would dramatically change" after Election Night. Months before the election Big Tech and Corporate Media was pushing that line.
What's ironic is that the media and press had abundant coverage in the past 10 years about the dangers of hacking voting machines, how easy it was to do it by hackers with physical access, etc. etc. etc.
Nobody can be declared the official winner until their is a complete audit and investigation of the election, including the Dominion Voting Machines and why Republican pollwatchers were chased only out of Monopoly Dem counties by Dem Officials only after Election Day when the mail ins were being counted (not ON election day when it was in person voting), unlike all the other counties in the states in Question. How Mail In Ballots went 65% for Biden until 11PM, when at 3-4AM several states simultaneously found 90%+ Biden votes on Mail In ballots after a pause in the count... all simultaneously in states with very different laws and systems - and just enough to swing the election, even where Trump was winning by near double digits.
As every single study on voting methods and fraud has concluded, mail in ballots are the #1 vector for fraud by long shot. Including a big one done by Carter & Bakker together in 2009.
Anything less is putting democracy at risk.
If they can prove the widespread fraud they are talking about..even 1% of it ... There is no need to even go to SC.
People will be on streets to .. , Imagine feeling cheated out of your votes for years which people take so much pride for.
40% of Americans think there was enough Voter Fraud to change the outcome of the election - November 10th.
https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/9j7sr0my95/econTabReport.pdf
The Media's excuse is that they were "Primed" to think of Fraud, but the Media pushed the opinion (not fact) that Election Fraud was "Exceedingly Rare" for months and that Election Results "Would dramatically change" after Election Night. Months before the election Big Tech and Corporate Media was pushing that line.
What's ironic is that the media and press had abundant coverage in the past 10 years about the dangers of hacking voting machines, how easy it was to do it by hackers with physical access, etc. etc. etc.
Nobody can be declared the official winner until their is a complete audit and investigation of the election, including the Dominion Voting Machines and why Republican pollwatchers were chased only out of Monopoly Dem counties by Dem Officials only after Election Day when the mail ins were being counted (not ON election day when it was in person voting), unlike all the other counties in the states in Question. How Mail In Ballots went 65% for Biden until 11PM, when at 3-4AM several states simultaneously found 90%+ Biden votes on Mail In ballots after a pause in the count... all simultaneously in states with very different laws and systems - and just enough to swing the election, even where Trump was winning by near double digits.
As every single study on voting methods and fraud has concluded, mail in ballots are the #1 vector for fraud by long shot. Including a big one done by Carter & Bakker together in 2009.
Anything less is putting democracy at risk.
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Ceffer
2020 Nov 20, 8:21pm
Ceffer
2020 Nov 20, 8:21pm
I am in the camp that I want the voting apparatus fixed first, worry about Trump later. I would be unhappy with a Biden 'victory' but i would accept it if it is not at the expense of our democracy.
i'm more vested in getting the voting apparatus right than in Trump's being re-elected, even though i would like that to be the outcome.
i'm more vested in getting the voting apparatus right than in Trump's being re-elected, even though i would like that to be the outcome.
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Ceffer
2020 Nov 20, 10:37pm
Ceffer
2020 Nov 20, 10:37pm
sikhguy says
i would 'give' it to anybody who won it without fraud. The integrity of vote is the cornerstone of our country that transcends any particular politician. Without that cornerstone, the country is gone no matter who holds office.
If Trump managed to get the voting fraud reined in across the board, for that act alone, he would be a hero, whether or not he 'won' the vote. i don't know if it is too much to ask, though, anymore.
Ceffer,
If Trump is rightful winner, How can you save democracy by giving it to Biden.
Trump is right guy to fix it, No matter what.(Assuming they are not bluffing us)
i would 'give' it to anybody who won it without fraud. The integrity of vote is the cornerstone of our country that transcends any particular politician. Without that cornerstone, the country is gone no matter who holds office.
If Trump managed to get the voting fraud reined in across the board, for that act alone, he would be a hero, whether or not he 'won' the vote. i don't know if it is too much to ask, though, anymore.
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Maga_Chaos_Monkey
2020 Nov 20, 11:15pm
Maga_Chaos_Monkey
2020 Nov 20, 11:15pm
Ceffer says
Therein lies the rub.
I would be unhappy with a Biden 'victory' but i would accept it if it is not at the expense of our democracy.
Therein lies the rub.
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Robert Sproul
2020 Nov 21, 6:53pm
just_passing_through says
I am feeling that we are well and truly fucked either way. A significant portion of this country is NOT GOING TO ACCEPT THE RESULTS OF THIS ELECTION HOWEVER IT IS SETTLED.
Period.
It seems more and more likely that we are in for Turchin’s 10 years of turmoil, which he says will range from 60’s style protests (which we have already exceeded) to civil war. Turchin has been so right in his predictions over the last 20 years that even his critics are paying him attention.
2020 sucked?
These are the good old days.
I would be unhappy with a Biden 'victory' but i would accept it if it is not at the expense of our democracy.
Therein lies the rub.
I am feeling that we are well and truly fucked either way. A significant portion of this country is NOT GOING TO ACCEPT THE RESULTS OF THIS ELECTION HOWEVER IT IS SETTLED.
Period.
It seems more and more likely that we are in for Turchin’s 10 years of turmoil, which he says will range from 60’s style protests (which we have already exceeded) to civil war. Turchin has been so right in his predictions over the last 20 years that even his critics are paying him attention.
2020 sucked?
These are the good old days.
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richwicks
2020 Nov 21, 10:00pm
richwicks
2020 Nov 21, 10:00pm
APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostakovitch says
Why do you ever bother to post such nonsense? I truly don't understand.
70 MILLION TRUMPANZIS ARE WAITING FOR THE ORDER TO MURDER ALL ENEMIES OF AMERICA! - EVERYONE WITHOUT A RED HAT!, exactly as the Founding Fathers commanded!
Why do you ever bother to post such nonsense? I truly don't understand.
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richwicks
2020 Nov 21, 10:29pm
richwicks
2020 Nov 21, 10:29pm
APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostakovitch says
I'm going to do something that I've never done to anybody on this board. I'm going to ignore you.
Generally I like to see all points of view and different thinking but really, you're just a mild irritant and have never presented a different point of view. You just make noise, ceaselessly.
Read the comments sections at NewsMax and OANN - everyone is arming up and laying in the extra 100 million rounds of ammo for centuries long civil war that will end with a 10000 year Trump dynasty and unimaginable wealth arriving on moon beam for the surviving Trumpanzis.
I'm going to do something that I've never done to anybody on this board. I'm going to ignore you.
Generally I like to see all points of view and different thinking but really, you're just a mild irritant and have never presented a different point of view. You just make noise, ceaselessly.
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Robert Sproul
2020 Nov 21, 10:39pm
sikhguy says
Fuck "smart" immigration, whatever that is. Illegal immigration? I don't even want any legal immigration.
We add 2 Sacramentos an Albuquerque and a Tucson worth of people, legal and illegal, every year.
Year after year after year.
Covid job loss in the 10s of millions and the daft fucking Democrats can't wait to open the borders.
We need smart immigration
Fuck "smart" immigration, whatever that is. Illegal immigration? I don't even want any legal immigration.
We add 2 Sacramentos an Albuquerque and a Tucson worth of people, legal and illegal, every year.
Year after year after year.
Covid job loss in the 10s of millions and the daft fucking Democrats can't wait to open the borders.
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Maga_Chaos_Monkey
2020 Nov 21, 11:29pm
Maga_Chaos_Monkey
2020 Nov 21, 11:29pm
richwicks says
Historically speaking, I recommend you don't. AF is genius.
On the other hand, you can't argue with 60 ignores. I just jumped from 1 to 6 recently how about that. I haven't noticed missing anyone's comment either.
I'm going to do something that I've never done to anybody on this board. I'm going to ignore you.
Historically speaking, I recommend you don't. AF is genius.
On the other hand, you can't argue with 60 ignores. I just jumped from 1 to 6 recently how about that. I haven't noticed missing anyone's comment either.
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Blue
2020 Nov 22, 1:07am
Robert Sproul says
Just like illegals, most of the "smart" legal immigrants are commies who believe can't succeed without big government help. Eventually to make this country like the hole they fled from.
Fuck "smart" immigration, whatever that is. Illegal immigration? I don't even want any legal immigration.
Just like illegals, most of the "smart" legal immigrants are commies who believe can't succeed without big government help. Eventually to make this country like the hole they fled from.
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richwicks
2020 Nov 22, 2:10am
richwicks
2020 Nov 22, 2:10am
just_passing_through says
He is? About what?
He just seems disruptive and if he is indeed a genius, he certainly doesn't share any brilliance that I've seen. Attempts to communicate with him are rebuffed, it's just over-the-top hysteria all the time - if I wanted that, I'd buy a television and watch corporate news.
In any case, he doesn't talk to me, he talks at me. I don't find that useful.
I'm going to do something that I've never done to anybody on this board. I'm going to ignore you.
Historically speaking, I recommend you don't. AF is genius.
He is? About what?
He just seems disruptive and if he is indeed a genius, he certainly doesn't share any brilliance that I've seen. Attempts to communicate with him are rebuffed, it's just over-the-top hysteria all the time - if I wanted that, I'd buy a television and watch corporate news.
In any case, he doesn't talk to me, he talks at me. I don't find that useful.
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Shaman
2020 Nov 22, 6:11am
Shaman
2020 Nov 22, 6:11am
I had to ignore AF this year after eight years of not ignoring him. He’s unhinged with his TDS and his posts are repetitive, annoying, and foul.
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porkchopXpress
2020 Nov 22, 7:07am
porkchopXpress
2020 Nov 22, 7:07am
I ignored him years ago. He's like a child that keeps nagging you while you're trying to have a meaningful discussion with adults.
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Bd6r
2020 Nov 22, 7:17am
Bd6r
2020 Nov 22, 7:17am
richwicks says
He knows a lot about banking system and journalism, and if you can get him into serious conversation mode, he is extremely informative.
I personally find him quite amusing, other than repetitive TDs that defies logic.
He just seems disruptive and if he is indeed a genius, he certainly doesn't share any brilliance that I've seen. Attempts to communicate with him are rebuffed, it's just over-the-top hysteria all the time - if I wanted that, I'd buy a television and watch corporate news.
He knows a lot about banking system and journalism, and if you can get him into serious conversation mode, he is extremely informative.
I personally find him quite amusing, other than repetitive TDs that defies logic.
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Robert Sproul
2020 Nov 22, 7:26am
sikhguy says
My overriding criteria would be immigrants that have a real, immediate, benefit to this country.
“Smart” immigration would include Public Charge laws, mass immigration into a Welfare State is the epitome of “stupid” immigration.
There would be a freeze on ALL immigration when unemployment went above 4%.
We would revisit the ridiculous Immigration Act of 1965 and reframe it to benefit America and Americans. (When Biden says “America First” is terrible I always wonder who the hell he thinks should be "First")
Polling indicates that several hundred million people globally would come to America if they could, easily doubling our current population. Which ones, and how many, do YOU think it would be “smart” to allow in? Whoever gets here first?
Should it have to actually benefit the citizens of this country or just be a benefit to who-the-fuck-ever is in some unfortunate situation in their own unfortunate country?
Current law favors whoever has family that has already managed to get here somehow, whether they were hardworking self-sacrificing legal immigrants, like I am sure your family is, or If they are Honduran’s that sell smack for the Mexican’s down in the Mission, (who the Mexicans disparage and abuse, "Hispanic Brotherhood" ain’t in it. Some of the most prejudiced people I have met are PO of a slightly different C) who have somehow managed to get some form of “legal residency” or amnesty.
LIKE ALL OF GLOBAL CAPITAL’S AGENDA, IMMIGRATION INTO THE U.S. TAKES ZERO ACCOUNT OF COSTS OR BENEFITS, TO OR FOR, THE CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTRY.
examples of kinds of immigrants you would like to have in US.
My overriding criteria would be immigrants that have a real, immediate, benefit to this country.
“Smart” immigration would include Public Charge laws, mass immigration into a Welfare State is the epitome of “stupid” immigration.
There would be a freeze on ALL immigration when unemployment went above 4%.
We would revisit the ridiculous Immigration Act of 1965 and reframe it to benefit America and Americans. (When Biden says “America First” is terrible I always wonder who the hell he thinks should be "First")
Polling indicates that several hundred million people globally would come to America if they could, easily doubling our current population. Which ones, and how many, do YOU think it would be “smart” to allow in? Whoever gets here first?
Should it have to actually benefit the citizens of this country or just be a benefit to who-the-fuck-ever is in some unfortunate situation in their own unfortunate country?
Current law favors whoever has family that has already managed to get here somehow, whether they were hardworking self-sacrificing legal immigrants, like I am sure your family is, or If they are Honduran’s that sell smack for the Mexican’s down in the Mission, (who the Mexicans disparage and abuse, "Hispanic Brotherhood" ain’t in it. Some of the most prejudiced people I have met are PO of a slightly different C) who have somehow managed to get some form of “legal residency” or amnesty.
LIKE ALL OF GLOBAL CAPITAL’S AGENDA, IMMIGRATION INTO THE U.S. TAKES ZERO ACCOUNT OF COSTS OR BENEFITS, TO OR FOR, THE CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTRY.
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FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut
2020 Nov 22, 8:11am
FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut
2020 Nov 22, 8:11am
sikhguy says
KKK/Antifa/BLM those are minority hate groups. I really wish government put the foot down with these assholes to make them chill out. But when they see a benefit out of a group they blow it out of proportion, such as recent case with BLM where Democrats were bailing them out and giving them money, and thought they were cool. So fucked up.
By the way smart immigration at time of pandemic can also mean zero immigration for while.
Now people are people, There will always be some affinity for people of your cultural background for 1-2 generations.
But some "whites" here would like to blame immigrants for disunity... The primary blame lies with KKK and ANTIFA affiliates(both primary whites) more than any immigrant
KKK/Antifa/BLM those are minority hate groups. I really wish government put the foot down with these assholes to make them chill out. But when they see a benefit out of a group they blow it out of proportion, such as recent case with BLM where Democrats were bailing them out and giving them money, and thought they were cool. So fucked up.
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theoakman
2020 Nov 22, 8:37am
sikhguy says
At this point in time, all immigration needs to be restricted to very low numbers. The only way of truly raising standard of living and wages domestically is to tariff other countries who syphon off our domestic businesses and simultaneously restrict the supply of labor through immigration. Maybe if we get going again, we can address allowing people to regularly immigrate here. And at that point, it should be merit based. We shouldn't be importing massive amounts of unskilled labor unless we have a demand for it that is not being satisfied by the domestic workforce.
Robert Sproul sayssikhguy saysWe need smart immigration
Fuck "smart" immigration, whatever that is. Illegal immigration? I don't even want any legal immigration.
We add 2 Sacramentos an Albuquerque and a Tucson worth of people, legal and illegal, every year.
Year after year after year.
Covid job loss in the 10s of millions and the daft fucking Democrats can't wait to open the borders.
If it is a illogical hatred for immigrants, I have no time to argue.
If you are sensible, Give me 5 examples of kinds of immigrants you would like to have in US.
At this point in time, all immigration needs to be restricted to very low numbers. The only way of truly raising standard of living and wages domestically is to tariff other countries who syphon off our domestic businesses and simultaneously restrict the supply of labor through immigration. Maybe if we get going again, we can address allowing people to regularly immigrate here. And at that point, it should be merit based. We shouldn't be importing massive amounts of unskilled labor unless we have a demand for it that is not being satisfied by the domestic workforce.
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Robert Sproul
2020 Nov 22, 9:00am
theoakman says
Yes. Like it was for the first couple of hundred years, until the Emma Lazarus feel-good bullshit “Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses..." changed the narrative.
unless we have a demand
Yes. Like it was for the first couple of hundred years, until the Emma Lazarus feel-good bullshit “Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses..." changed the narrative.
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Robert Sproul
2020 Nov 22, 9:11am
FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut says
Except this is a false equivalency.
BLM is perhaps the largest (and most dangerous?) mass movement in U.S. history.
Despite SPLC, and other Leftist hysterics, claims, KKK is a sad-sack group of maybe 400 goofballs.
KKK/Antifa/BLM those are minority hate groups
Except this is a false equivalency.
BLM is perhaps the largest (and most dangerous?) mass movement in U.S. history.
Despite SPLC, and other Leftist hysterics, claims, KKK is a sad-sack group of maybe 400 goofballs.
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It is very-very-1000x serious allegation.
Frankly not for senior lawyer in Trump's team, I would just discard this as loony conspiracy.
Even from trump's lawyer, It sounds too fantastical.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/boom-attorney-sidney-powell-confirms-hearing-forces-confiscated-scytl-servers-germany-audio/
Looking at numbers and analysis It kind of make sense that something bad happened.
This server business looks very shady, Is over the top claims trick to hide data manipulation?
Assume tomorrow we find this all is untrue, trump will become laughing stock of the world.