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But is 1 even possible?

We would need a very clear statement of principles and how the rooting out of corruption is to be done, with a large majority agreeing to it.

But we can't seem to get a majority to agree on anything anymore.

Patrick says

But is 1 even possible?

We would need a very clear statement of principles and how the rooting out of corruption is to be done, with a large majority agreeing to it.

But we can't seem to get a majority to agree on anything anymore.

Dropped the cheat accusation at a dinner with friends of the ccp and their leader bi-den. I could get them to agree that not requiring IDs compromises every election and that there's no real argument against it. Partial win.

Patrick says

But is 1 even possible?

We would need a very clear statement of principles and how the rooting out of corruption is to be done, with a large majority agreeing to it.

But we can't seem to get a majority to agree on anything anymore.

Term limits
Limit Government power
Voter ID and clean voting roles

People against these three are those who wish to preserve the ability to bribe or take bribes.

election2020 says

After this extreme fraudulent election if people not wake up, We can look at venuzuela for our future. Some of it already happening:
https://lasentinel.net/council-wants-plan-to-house-every-homeless-person-in-l-a.html

It's basically free rent for anyone who wants to live by themselves in LA. Talk about leaving out the proverbial bird feeder! A bond issue and sales tax increase isn't going to be enough.

HeadSet says

Term limits
Limit Government power
Voter ID and clean voting roles

I agree, but I think it needs to be even more specific, like:

Maximum two terms for any elected official.
What does limited government mean in practice exactly? What are some examples?
Voter ID should be proof of citizenship, either passport, birth certificate, or naturalization papers. Not a driver's license.

Patrick says

Voter ID should be proof of citizenship, either passport, birth certificate, or naturalization papers. Not a driver's license.

driver's license ID altered the entire outcome.

Patrick says

Voter ID should be proof of citizenship, either passport, birth certificate, or naturalization papers. Not a driver's license.

I'd go above and beyond even that. Passport IS the voter ID. They already have machines that can scan them at airports. Scan the passport and a ballot is pumped out.

If you can't get a passport, there's a reason you shouldn't have one and you shouldn't vote. The vast majority of people are within walking distance of a post office. Go get it done. I really don't want people that cannot afford a passport to be deciding elections and what my taxes are. Or excuse makers that cannot get to a post office in 2020. "Ugh, we're black and oppressed (lazy) and cannot get to the post office with our $200 Jordans and $20k car living on welfare." This is basically the excuse the Dem's make.

What does limited government mean in practice exactly? What are some examples?

Limited to the powers explicitly granted in the National and State Constitutions. That is, only the power needed to perform specific functions. The more power the government has, the more access the politicians can sell. For example, the power to tax should only be used to fund the government, and the taxes should be evenly applied. Tax should never be used for social engineering, like taxing sodas and other high calorie foods over alternatives. Such use of the tax system opens the door for rent seeking.

I'd go above and beyond even that. Passport IS the voter ID. They already have machines that can scan them at airports. Scan the passport and a ballot is pumped out.

Fantastic idea. Passports also expire every 10 years so that is like an automatic clearing of voter roles. And when you scan the passport and the ballot pops out, that passport cannot be used to get another ballot elsewhere. Still need a transparent method to actually count the ballots, though.

If my bank can entrust online banking to an app on my fucking iphone, with fingerprint ID and a personalized passcode, why can’t we have a similar app for voting?

Shaman says

If my bank can entrust online banking to an app on my fucking iphone, with fingerprint ID and a personalized passcode, why can’t we have a similar app for voting?

Yes, but who counts these electronic votes?

Shaman says

If my bank can entrust online banking to an app on my fucking iphone, with fingerprint ID and a personalized passcode, why can’t we have a similar app for voting?

Yes and no. Banking and voting are different in 1) Like the comment above..."Who counts the votes" is what matters and 2) If a bank gets ripped off for millions of dollars, you never hear about it. The bank simply gets the money back from somewhere. Ever have to report fraud to your bank because of a CC purchase you did not make? Fill out the report and, bingo, your money is back in your account in no time. I do not know where the money comes from...bank profits? What about millions of dollars hacked out of an account? Where does that money come from?

GlocknLoad says

I do not know where the money comes from...bank profits?

For CC's it is 20% interest rates morons pay for years until they go BK. I'd say 8 in 10 people pay at least some interest on a CC every month. You know who these people are when you see all the new goodies they have, especially this time of year. You ask and they say they pay it off every month, but they're lying. Even people you know with high salaries/wages are idiots with CC's.

Also, remember the money loaned out from CC's to consumers is all borrowed anyway, at insanely low rates. If a bank can borrow at 1% and charge 20% interest when balances don't get paid, can fuck with your credit and potentially garnish wages, you start to see where the money comes from.

I choose the route of kicking them in the nuts and making them pay out the ass for my points usage. Almost never have paid interest, probably under $500/yr on average and that's just because of tracking too many cards, but still my bad. I got $8k worth of air travel on 26 round trip tickets for myself and family in 2019. This year because of Covid only about $3k. $11k in air travel for every day expenses and business expenses ain't a bad deal. Lounge access too. Being able to eat a meal and pound some beers before a flight basically for free if you use it enough is another perk. Generally it's 1 lounge visit to pay back the $99 annual fee for a family of four when you factor in airport pricing for food/booze.

Patrick says

But we can't seem to get a majority to agree on anything anymore.

We can't even get People to agree that Hunter had a laptop, and Epstein didn't kill himself.

If the vast corruption doesn't come out in the next couple weeks we'll know that it is all political theatre and Trump is just an actor.

I'm afraid we already know.

Onvacation says

If the vast corruption doesn't come out in the next couple weeks we'll know that it is all political theatre and Trump is just an actor.

Should he be just an actor, he's done something useful that wasn't done before - he has exposed systemic corruption. Now we can wait and see what our "home of the free and the brave" will do about it.

I'm sick of the hypocrisy and platitudes. I want to know what kind of nation this really is. That alone was worth electing him. We've been gaslit for our entire lives, I'm happy to have that end and see the true face of our government whatever way it goes. I'm tired of suspecting our government is corrupt, I'm tired of suspecting our intelligence agencies are corrupt, I am tired of suspecting our judicial system is corrupt, I just wanted to know.

Now I do.

I strongly suspect we are a nation of slaves, we have no freedom, and our government is a totalitarian oligarchy. In 1 month, I'll know and I don't give a shit if I have to go to a concentration camp to find out. I'm tired of the propaganda.

We're on the spear tip of an organized effort of at least 25 years to yoke the population of the country and end any semblance of freedom. The Globalists want us barcoded, chipped, and docile and fed only manufactured fantasy worlds of their choosing.

The people of this country are nothing more than Skinner rats to be punished and rewarded in concurrence with psychopathic manifestos. Only a minority understand that issues like Covid are nothing more than a manifestation of this effort of subversions and punishments for non compliance. I said when Covid started it was purely a psyops and had nothing to do with what is known about diseases, and that's exactly how it has played out. Congratulations to the human Skinner Maze.

Will a beast awaken from this, or will it just awaken too late? Not too many hours of daylight left, as they say.

That's Trump taking care of some scavengers in the Deep State.

Periodically, you have to terrorize Civil Servants or they start thinking their unelected asses are in charge, rather than servants carrying out the Boss' orders.

election2020 says

I believe if Trump doesn't act, He may be more of a coward than actor.

He's braver than any of us, if he's a coward. Look at the crap he put up with, could you have dealt with it? I know I could not have. It's easy to criticize, but consider being in his position. He's done a tremendous service to the nation in exposing what corruption we really face.

Now, if he's simply an actor, I find it hard to believe that his puppeteers wanted to show just how corrupt our nation is. It's possible, but if he's just an actor, it's beyond my comprehension as to why they would do this. Problems have been exposed, I find it unlikely the corrupt wanted that.

election2020 says

I have never seen a chief executive claiming fraud day and night and begging instead of taking action.

You simply have never seen any chief executive taking action, ever. Neither have I. I was born in 1971.

Perhaps I'm wrong, Ronald Reagan put a bunch of people in jail over the Savings and Loan scandal. That is the most action I've seen in 1/2 century.

election2020 says

Whats the point of exposing corruption but taking no action...

I have spent 2 decades being alive, with people denying there is corruption at all. I am just grateful for it being placed front and center.

I am goddamned sick and tired of being gaslit, if ALL Trump does is demonstrate I'm correct, that's good enough. No other president has done this in 1/2 of a century.

He's simply the president, not a dictator. He can only point out problems, not fix them. He is not in the judicial branch. It is our judicial branch that is most corrupt, they selectively enforce the law, or refuse to enforce the law. It's always the judicial branch that collapses first. He's pointing out the failure, whereas 10 years ago, I'd talk to a common person who would simply deny the failure. I'm just goddamned tired of being able to see obvious corruption alone. I'm fed up with it. Now everybody can see it.

People are uncomfortable with Trump not because he's "bad", but because he picked up a rock and cockroaches have scurried out. People wanted to pretend the cockroaches were never there, and they are uncomfortable with them being there - but I always knew they existed. At least people can't argue about their existence at this point. That, alone, was worth making him president.

Should Biden become president, we will have one of the most corrupt, compromised, criminal scumbags, ever in the executive office, with a news media that protected him and a judicial branch that protected him. Stare front in center of what absolute garbage we have as a "chief executive officer". I've shitted out things more noble and respectable than that thing. He's absolutely reprehensible and that's our "chief executive officer". Take a good whiff. I imagine 1/2 the country, at least, will breathe deeply and claim they smell roses but 10 years ago, it was 90% of the population. Nothing has changed other than people's awareness, and I'm sick and tired of being in the minority. See what I've always seen.