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sikhguy says

If they can prove the widespread fraud they are talking about..even 1% of it ... There is no need to even go to SC.
People will be on streets to .. , Imagine feeling cheated out of your votes for years which people take so much pride for.

40% of Americans think there was enough Voter Fraud to change the outcome of the election - November 10th.
https://docs.cdn.yougov.com/9j7sr0my95/econTabReport.pdf

The Media's excuse is that they were "Primed" to think of Fraud, but the Media pushed the opinion (not fact) that Election Fraud was "Exceedingly Rare" for months and that Election Results "Would dramatically change" after Election Night. Months before the election Big Tech and Corporate Media was pushing that line.

What's ironic is that the media and press had abundant coverage in the past 10 years about the dangers of hacking voting machines, how easy it was to do it by hackers with physical access, etc. etc. etc.

Nobody can be declared the official winner until their is a complete audit and investigation of the election, including the Dominion Voting Machines and why Republican pollwatchers were chased only out of Monopoly Dem counties by Dem Officials only after Election Day when the mail ins were being counted (not ON election day when it was in person voting), unlike all the other counties in the states in Question. How Mail In Ballots went 65% for Biden until 11PM, when at 3-4AM several states simultaneously found 90%+ Biden votes on Mail In ballots after a pause in the count... all simultaneously in states with very different laws and systems - and just enough to swing the election, even where Trump was winning by near double digits.

As every single study on voting methods and fraud has concluded, mail in ballots are the #1 vector for fraud by long shot. Including a big one done by Carter & Bakker together in 2009.

Anything less is putting democracy at risk.

I am in the camp that I want the voting apparatus fixed first, worry about Trump later. I would be unhappy with a Biden 'victory' but i would accept it if it is not at the expense of our democracy.
i'm more vested in getting the voting apparatus right than in Trump's being re-elected, even though i would like that to be the outcome.

sikhguy says

Ceffer,
If Trump is rightful winner, How can you save democracy by giving it to Biden.
Trump is right guy to fix it, No matter what.(Assuming they are not bluffing us)

i would 'give' it to anybody who won it without fraud. The integrity of vote is the cornerstone of our country that transcends any particular politician. Without that cornerstone, the country is gone no matter who holds office.

If Trump managed to get the voting fraud reined in across the board, for that act alone, he would be a hero, whether or not he 'won' the vote. i don't know if it is too much to ask, though, anymore.

Ceffer says

I would be unhappy with a Biden 'victory' but i would accept it if it is not at the expense of our democracy.

Therein lies the rub.

just_passing_through says

I would be unhappy with a Biden 'victory' but i would accept it if it is not at the expense of our democracy.

Therein lies the rub.

I am feeling that we are well and truly fucked either way. A significant portion of this country is NOT GOING TO ACCEPT THE RESULTS OF THIS ELECTION HOWEVER IT IS SETTLED.
Period.
It seems more and more likely that we are in for Turchin’s 10 years of turmoil, which he says will range from 60’s style protests (which we have already exceeded) to civil war. Turchin has been so right in his predictions over the last 20 years that even his critics are paying him attention.

2020 sucked?
These are the good old days.

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostakovitch says

70 MILLION TRUMPANZIS ARE WAITING FOR THE ORDER TO MURDER ALL ENEMIES OF AMERICA! - EVERYONE WITHOUT A RED HAT!, exactly as the Founding Fathers commanded!

Why do you ever bother to post such nonsense? I truly don't understand.

APOCALYPSEFUCKisShostakovitch says

Read the comments sections at NewsMax and OANN - everyone is arming up and laying in the extra 100 million rounds of ammo for centuries long civil war that will end with a 10000 year Trump dynasty and unimaginable wealth arriving on moon beam for the surviving Trumpanzis.

I'm going to do something that I've never done to anybody on this board. I'm going to ignore you.

Generally I like to see all points of view and different thinking but really, you're just a mild irritant and have never presented a different point of view. You just make noise, ceaselessly.

sikhguy says

We need smart immigration

Fuck "smart" immigration, whatever that is. Illegal immigration? I don't even want any legal immigration.
We add 2 Sacramentos an Albuquerque and a Tucson worth of people, legal and illegal, every year.
Year after year after year.

Covid job loss in the 10s of millions and the daft fucking Democrats can't wait to open the borders.

richwicks says

I'm going to do something that I've never done to anybody on this board. I'm going to ignore you.

Historically speaking, I recommend you don't. AF is genius.

On the other hand, you can't argue with 60 ignores. I just jumped from 1 to 6 recently how about that. I haven't noticed missing anyone's comment either.

Robert Sproul says

Fuck "smart" immigration, whatever that is. Illegal immigration? I don't even want any legal immigration.

Just like illegals, most of the "smart" legal immigrants are commies who believe can't succeed without big government help. Eventually to make this country like the hole they fled from.

just_passing_through says

I'm going to do something that I've never done to anybody on this board. I'm going to ignore you.

Historically speaking, I recommend you don't. AF is genius.

He is? About what?

He just seems disruptive and if he is indeed a genius, he certainly doesn't share any brilliance that I've seen. Attempts to communicate with him are rebuffed, it's just over-the-top hysteria all the time - if I wanted that, I'd buy a television and watch corporate news.

In any case, he doesn't talk to me, he talks at me. I don't find that useful.

I had to ignore AF this year after eight years of not ignoring him. He’s unhinged with his TDS and his posts are repetitive, annoying, and foul.

I ignored him years ago. He's like a child that keeps nagging you while you're trying to have a meaningful discussion with adults.

just_passing_through says

I just jumped from 1 to 6 recently how about that.

I lost my only ignore!

richwicks says

He just seems disruptive and if he is indeed a genius, he certainly doesn't share any brilliance that I've seen. Attempts to communicate with him are rebuffed, it's just over-the-top hysteria all the time - if I wanted that, I'd buy a television and watch corporate news.

He knows a lot about banking system and journalism, and if you can get him into serious conversation mode, he is extremely informative.
I personally find him quite amusing, other than repetitive TDs that defies logic.

sikhguy says

examples of kinds of immigrants you would like to have in US.

My overriding criteria would be immigrants that have a real, immediate, benefit to this country.
“Smart” immigration would include Public Charge laws, mass immigration into a Welfare State is the epitome of “stupid” immigration.
There would be a freeze on ALL immigration when unemployment went above 4%.
We would revisit the ridiculous Immigration Act of 1965 and reframe it to benefit America and Americans. (When Biden says “America First” is terrible I always wonder who the hell he thinks should be "First")

Polling indicates that several hundred million people globally would come to America if they could, easily doubling our current population. Which ones, and how many, do YOU think it would be “smart” to allow in? Whoever gets here first?
Should it have to actually benefit the citizens of this country or just be a benefit to who-the-fuck-ever is in some unfortunate situation in their own unfortunate country?
Current law favors whoever has family that has already managed to get here somehow, whether they were hardworking self-sacrificing legal immigrants, like I am sure your family is, or If they are Honduran’s that sell smack for the Mexican’s down in the Mission, (who the Mexicans disparage and abuse, "Hispanic Brotherhood" ain’t in it. Some of the most prejudiced people I have met are PO of a slightly different C) who have somehow managed to get some form of “legal residency” or amnesty.
LIKE ALL OF GLOBAL CAPITAL’S AGENDA, IMMIGRATION INTO THE U.S. TAKES ZERO ACCOUNT OF COSTS OR BENEFITS, TO OR FOR, THE CITIZENS OF THIS COUNTRY.

sikhguy says

By the way smart immigration at time of pandemic can also mean zero immigration for while.
Now people are people, There will always be some affinity for people of your cultural background for 1-2 generations.
But some "whites" here would like to blame immigrants for disunity... The primary blame lies with KKK and ANTIFA affiliates(both primary whites) more than any immigrant

KKK/Antifa/BLM those are minority hate groups. I really wish government put the foot down with these assholes to make them chill out. But when they see a benefit out of a group they blow it out of proportion, such as recent case with BLM where Democrats were bailing them out and giving them money, and thought they were cool. So fucked up.

sikhguy says

Robert Sproul says

sikhguy says

We need smart immigration

Fuck "smart" immigration, whatever that is. Illegal immigration? I don't even want any legal immigration.
We add 2 Sacramentos an Albuquerque and a Tucson worth of people, legal and illegal, every year.
Year after year after year.

Covid job loss in the 10s of millions and the daft fucking Democrats can't wait to open the borders.

If it is a illogical hatred for immigrants, I have no time to argue.
If you are sensible, Give me 5 examples of kinds of immigrants you would like to have in US.

At this point in time, all immigration needs to be restricted to very low numbers. The only way of truly raising standard of living and wages domestically is to tariff other countries who syphon off our domestic businesses and simultaneously restrict the supply of labor through immigration. Maybe if we get going again, we can address allowing people to regularly immigrate here. And at that point, it should be merit based. We shouldn't be importing massive amounts of unskilled labor unless we have a demand for it that is not being satisfied by the domestic workforce.

theoakman says

unless we have a demand

Yes. Like it was for the first couple of hundred years, until the Emma Lazarus feel-good bullshit “Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses..." changed the narrative.

FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut says

KKK/Antifa/BLM those are minority hate groups

Except this is a false equivalency.
BLM is perhaps the largest (and most dangerous?) mass movement in U.S. history.
Despite SPLC, and other Leftist hysterics, claims, KKK is a sad-sack group of maybe 400 goofballs.

richwicks says

it's just over-the-top hysteria all the time - if I wanted that, I'd buy a television and watch corporate news.

LOL

sikhguy says

Does it gives right to Venezuelans to immigrate to US freely

Nobody has a “right” to any of this kind of shit. Come and take it, if you can.
I have come to realize that people have ALWAYS expanded their range and influence throughout human history whenever they could. Nearly always violently. Our country claimed and took the territories that we have enjoyed dominion over.
Ohh! Ohh! Colonialism!! Read fucking history.
Now it is being taken back, in turn, in the “Reconquista”. We seem to be too weak now to resist. I have kind of resigned myself to the inevitability instead of getting pissed off every time I am asked to “Press 1 for Spanish”
Good luck to you, Pal. Where I come from the Mexicans kind of hate the Sikhs, and vice versa, no real POC brotherhood.
And of course they will win the Reproduction Rate and Family Based Immigration Competition.

If Sidney Powell is not a member of Trump's legal team, what authority does she have to sue in court?

Robert Sproul says

FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut says

KKK/Antifa/BLM those are minority hate groups

Except this is a false equivalency.
BLM is perhaps the largest (and most dangerous?) mass movement in U.S. history.
Despite SPLC, and other Leftist hysterics, claims, KKK is a sad-sack group of maybe 400 goofballs.

well yeah, BLM is heavily funded by the left. it's fucked up. It's also why it was in all Democrat ran cities, because Democrats control police and DA's there. They basically intimidated anyone who would not go along with the left. The threat of "if you vote Republican we'll burn you down was very real".

Conflict of interest. Sidney is about to turn this thing into a giant criminal conspiracy involving the CIA, high level politicians and Dominion. Trump can't be supporting that effort so his legal team is focused on the ballot fraud, shredding envelopes, dismissing pollworkers, etc.

Dbr6 says

He knows a lot about banking system and journalism,

Journalism? There is no journalism in the west.

I'm quite informed about propaganda. That's what people think journalism is.

sikhguy says

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/trump-campaign-sidney-powell-trump-legal-team/

This is end of it.
The allegations were infact fantastical, So Biden is president now.
I am not sure what this whole thing was.. I believe it was to make invalid election Valid.

Jesus dude. First sign of anything and you run for the hills. Remind me to never go to battle with you.

Twitter shut down Sidney's account for 12 hours. Gen Flynn responded on her behalf.
@SidneyPowell1 has been suspended from Twitter for 12 hours. She understands the WH press release & agrees with it. She is staying the course to prove the massive deliberate election fraud that robbed #WeThePeople of our votes for President Trump & other Republican candidates.

https://mobile.twitter.com/GenFlynn/status/1330671677211029506

sikhguy says

porkchopexpress says

Conflict of interest. Sidney is about to turn this thing into a giant criminal conspiracy involving the CIA, high level politicians and Dominion. Trump can't be supporting that effort so his legal team is focused on the ballot fraud, shredding envelopes, dismissing pollworkers, etc.

That can be plausible reason that they figure out now, But before she was seen with Trump team.But some sites are saying that she don’t have the goods to prove her allegations.

Man I hope truth comes out. All the issues in our republic is secrecy and back dealing of ruling classes and not serving people.

Yes, it is very sad. At one time, America really was a great country but like any other large institution/entity/establishment/group, it will eventually take a turn for the worse. I believe this for all countries. I too, hope this ship gets turned back around toward greatness. The world sure could use better governments all over the globe.

Let me ask you a question, Sikhguy.

If a large utility company suddenly had brownouts, and the state government and most the local media (which had either been receiving money from Utility Company or was part owned by them) said "Whatever you do, there's no need to audit Utility Company's financials."

What would be the first thing you'd think absolutely had to happen?

I think a lot of this "evidence" means nothing unless it stands up in court, or if the DOJ or military genuinely investigates it. I guess we'll find out and all the cards will be put on the table over the next couple weeks.

sikhguy says

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/11/breaking-michigan-board-state-canvassers-votes-3-1-certify-election-results-despite-irregularities/

Based on events, Looks like Trump is going to lose this battle.
Insiders typically don't go with losers.

It is surprising that trump didn't have anything to protect against the election fraud. I don't see much hope.

This is before the audit.

No worries, certifications can be overturned.

sikhguy says

You still think Trump has nuclear option?

1. The process/equal protection stuff brought by the Giuliani team
2. The criminal accusations being brought by Powell/Wood teams
3. The bombshell from national defense cybersecurity (NSA/DIA) with the actual vote totals pre and post algo, plus I suspect text/phone intercepts, held by Trump in reserve.

The latter will make it a National Security Issue.

Per usual, take all of this with a grain of salt...
I'm hearing buzz that Trump is going to invoke the 2018 Executive Order he signed called “Executive Order on Imposing Certain Sanctions in the Event of Foreign Interference in a United States Election.” In that executive order, which almost no one has covered since the day it was signed, President Trump declares a national emergency. That emergency is still in play to this day, and the 2020 election was conducted under this state of emergency, which is a crucial point to understand what’s coming next….
Why is this relevant? Because Dominion Voting Systems is a Canadian company. And Scytl is run out of Spain.

This Executive Order gives him power to seize all assets of individuals and companies that were complicit in aiding or covering up this foreign interference in U.S. elections. The National Emergency order specifically calls for seizure of all assets of entities that have, “directly or indirectly engaged in, sponsored, concealed, or otherwise been complicit in foreign interference in a United States election.”

From 2017, WikiLeaks released a trove of CIA documents claimed revealed details of its secret hacking arsenal. The release included 8,761 documents that it claimed revealed details of “malware, viruses, trojans, weaponized ‘zero day’ exploits, malware remote control systems and associated documentation.” The leaks purportedly revealed that a top secret CIA unit used the German city of Frankfurt am Main as the starting point for numerous hacking attacks on Europe, China and the Middle East. German daily “Süddeutsche Zeitung” reported the building was known to be home to a vast network of intelligence personnel including CIA agents, NSA spies, military secret service personnel, Department of Homeland Security employees and Secret Service employees. It reported the Americans had also established a dense network of outposts and shell companies in Frankfurt.

Excerpts from Hal Turner Report: “According to very high level sources from my years working National Security Intelligence with the FBI Joint Terrorism Task Force, the feds have PROOF of the payments to both Kemp and Raffensperger. The Trump election legal team forced the President to WAIT before revealing this, until both Kemp and Raffensperger CERTIFIED the Election results. According to those same sources, once Kemp and Raffensperger CERTIFIED the results, their crime was complete. Both men certified those election results this week. By law, Mr. Raffensperger was obliged to certify the election results before 5 p.m. on Friday. Gov. Kemp, had to then certify the results by 5 p.m. on Saturday. Both men did exactly those acts. Again, the national security intelligence sources with whom I have spoken, assure me this information is solid and the proof is already in government hands."

Having said all that, I've also read that Sidney Powell is registered as a military lawyer and can prosecute treason in a military tribunal.

porkchopexpress says

Having said all that, I've also read that Sidney Powell is registered as a military lawyer and can prosecute treason in a military tribunal.

No, not treason

Article III: Section 3 of the US constitution:

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.

The Congress shall have Power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.

election2020 says

We will see when that happens. All the above stuff is said for many weeks now.
Claims are of deep planning and the facade is complete incompetence.

It can be deliberate, But I am having hard time waiting for end of this story.
It is like a thriller movie which you have hard time to leave in middle, Only in this case allegedly a "very incompetent and corrupt" govt is installed on US to crush us.

I know I know. I'm just reporting anything I'm hearing that doesn't sound bat-shit crazy. If none of this is true then many people, who also have lots of viewers and Twitter followers, are gonna look stupid and lose all credibility.

election2020 says

US is officially a banana republic. Courts don't have to follow the law either.

PA is a banana republic. If this stands in SCOTUS then US will become a banana republic too.

sikhguy says

Too much hate among common people for each other on behalf of corrupt politicians.

Unfortunately that is what has driven away, or driven insane, some of our best posters.

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Yes, there is concern about the voting machine and the software on them.

But that takes away from the need to audit the votes like the mail in ballots specifically. How many mail in ballots were legal ? Did they have a signature that matched what is on file ? Were they submitted by legal voters (ie., met Nevada's residency requirement, etc.) ?

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election2020 says

Hindus blow up mosque in India. Outside the court same Hindus were telling media bombastically that they are "proud of destroying the mosque", Inside the supreme court was busy acquitting them.... This is how Banana republic look like, US is getting closer.

All you have to do is show there are more than one case like this of unpaid Democrat activists harvesting mail in ballots:
https://www.click2houston.com/news/texas/2020/11/07/social-worker-charged-with-134-felony-counts-involving-election-fraud-in-limestone-county/

Also, AUDIT the mail in ballots. Take a major random sample such as 20% of the total. Check first to see they were submitted by legal voters who are registered. Check that they did not vote more than once. Verify there is a signature on it that matches the signature on file.

Do you all really trust the poll workers enough ? I don't, and there needs to be democrat and republican lawyers assigned to be part of that audit. That means they are sitting at the table with the poll worker and directly part of the the verification or audit process. They are not simply observing.

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