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Lockdown versus no lockdown

By Rb6d follow Rb6d   2020 Dec 28, 7:12pm 346 views   15 comments   watch   nsfw   quote   share    


https://twitter.com/LBC/status/1343506871257346049

This is for Great Britain:

Estimated excess mortality from lockdowns: 560K
Estimated deaths from covid if no lockdown: ca. 10 % of above number.

Follow the science, they said...
2   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Apr 21, 5:29pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

https://www.theepochtimes.com/mkt_breakingnews/after-son-takes-his-own-life-father-warns-against-extended-pandemic-lockdowns-2_3781907.html

On Jan. 7, the 18-year-old took his own life due to depression exacerbated by the state’s pandemic lockdown measures. Dylan entered a hotel not far from his home and jumped to his death.

His dad told The Epoch Times there is “no doubt in his mind” that the school closures and the state’s extended stay-at-home order aggravated and worsened Dylan’s mental health to the point of no return.
3   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 Apr 26, 6:01pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

https://reclaimthenet.org/facebook-bans-craig-kelly/

Facebook bans Australian anti-lockdown lawmaker Craig Kelly
He questioned how a “foreign entity” could de-platform an elected MP such as himself.

Independent Australian politician and member for the Division of Hughes in the Australian House of Representatives, Craig Kelly, is banned from the Big Tech social media platform, Facebook, on grounds of sharing COVID-19 “misinformation.”

Kelly was banned temporarily back in February. But despite repeated warnings from Facebook, the Australian MP ended up making claims that go against the rule of the World Health Organization and the CDC, something Facebook notoriously forbids.

It is worth noting that the information shared by Kelly through his Facebook page refuted the very information the Australian government was officially sharing. MP Kelly’s Facebook page which had over 100,000 followers has now been permanently banned by Facebook.
4   FuckTheMainstreamMedia   ignore (7)   2021 Apr 27, 8:43am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

I’m completely convinced that the lockdowns prevented nothing. Look at India which had strictly enforced lockdowns. Now Covids surging there.

The lockdowns might have been effective in Australia, but only due to the US and Israel pushing the vaccine into production so early.
5   WookieMan   ignore (7)   2021 Apr 27, 9:23am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

FuckTheMainstreamMedia says
I’m completely convinced that the lockdowns prevented nothing. Look at India which had strictly enforced lockdowns. Now Covids surging there.

It will surge here again. My beef with all this is it's a virus. It's not going away. This isn't Ebola or even AIDS where transmission is much more difficult. It's here to stay and we just have to live with it.

I'm biased with no grandparents, but my mom is pushing 70. There's almost 0% chance she'd die from covid. Death happens. It sucks. Tired of being surrounded by a bunch of pussies (not you FTMSM). Not getting the vaccine or getting it is fine, but worried about dying from this. It's a joke.

Results come back today for the nephew. If he's got it we're fucked for the next 10-14 days. Good thing we got a year worth of cow in the freezer... so done with this shit. He's not going to die from this and we're potentially going to be inconvenienced for 2 weeks now because he got the god damn flu. Ugh.... In peak earning months for us as well. If it was pre-covid we'd just go about our lives if he got the flu.
6   Rb6d   ignore (0)   2021 Apr 27, 1:23pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

FuckTheMainstreamMedia says
I’m completely convinced that the lockdowns prevented nothing. Look at India which had strictly enforced lockdowns. Now Covids surging there.

or TX and FL vs. CA stats here, same death rate in all these states
7   WookieMan   ignore (7)   2021 Apr 27, 1:27pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Rb6d says
FuckTheMainstreamMedia says
I’m completely convinced that the lockdowns prevented nothing. Look at India which had strictly enforced lockdowns. Now Covids surging there.

or TX and FL vs. CA stats here

The stats are cooked. I think anyone with a working brain knows this at this point. Not sure if you agree, as I believe you have a more scientific background than I do. The numbers and anecdotal evidence don't line up. Never have. It's real, but the narrative of immediate death if you get it has been hyperbolic to levels I never thought would have been possible. I'm convinced media is the virus at this point.
8   theoakman   ignore (0)   2021 Apr 27, 4:04pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Bill.Maher, who I generally hate showed a poll where 40 percent of liberals thought the risk of hospitalization was 50 percent if you test positive. Over 70 percent thought it was much higher. The supposedly educated party is full of complete idiots.
9   Rb6d   ignore (0)   2021 Apr 27, 5:40pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

WookieMan says
The stats are cooked. I think anyone with a working brain knows this at this point. Not sure if you agree, as I believe you have a more scientific background than I do. The numbers and anecdotal evidence don't line up. Never have. It's real, but the narrative of immediate death if you get it has been hyperbolic to levels I never thought would have been possible. I'm convinced media is the virus at this point.

The stats do not support "shut everything down" narrative, so it is likely they forgot to cook them. What the stats say is that there is no freaking difference in deaths if you shut or don't shut your state down.
10   indc   ignore (1)   2021 Apr 27, 7:56pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Rb6d says
FuckTheMainstreamMedia says
I’m completely convinced that the lockdowns prevented nothing. Look at India which had strictly enforced lockdowns. Now Covids surging there.

or TX and FL vs. CA stats here, same death rate in all these states


The surge in India is not because of lockdown. People there are not following any precautions. UK variant entered the country and now it is spreading like wildfire.

Once everything opens we will get another spike I am sure.
11   Patrick   ignore (1)   2021 May 11, 9:53am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

https://republicandaily.net/2021/05/professor-explains-flaw-in-many-models-used-for-covid-19-lockdown-policies/

Economics professor Doug Allen wanted to know why so many early models used to create COVID-19 lockdown policies turned out to be highly incorrect. What he found was that a great majority were based on false assumptions and “tended to over-estimate the benefits and under-estimate the costs.” He found it troubling that policies such as total lockdowns were based on those models.

“They were built on a set of assumptions. Those assumptions turned out to be really important, and the models are very sensitive to them, and they turn out to be false,” said Allen, the Burnaby Mountain Professor of Economics at Simon Fraser University, in an interview.

Allen says most of the early cost-benefit studies that he reviewed didn’t try to distinguish between mandated and voluntary changes in people’s behaviour in the face of a pandemic. Rather, they just assumed an exponential growth of cases of infection day after day until herd immunity is reached.

In a paper he published in April, in which he compiled his findings based on a review of over 80 papers on the effects of lockdowns around the world, Allen concluded that lockdowns may be one of “the greatest peacetime policy failures in Canada’s history.”
12   HeadSet   ignore (2)   2021 May 11, 6:59pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Patrick says
Allen concluded that lockdowns may be one of “the greatest peacetime policy failures in Canada’s history.”

Whether that was a "failure" or not depends on the true purpose and goal.....
13   Ceffer   ignore (6)   2021 May 11, 7:25pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

People still assume too often that these were benign intentions gone awry, rather than a simple cost/benefit analysis by the Globalist psychopaths. We pay the cost, they get the benefit. They probably think they are being nice to the useless eaters. They just want to eliminate and dominate the population without destroying the infrastructure.
14   Misc   ignore (0)   2021 May 11, 11:06pm     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

When Covid 1st came into popular knowledge, the Health officials looked at the number of ICU beds available.

You can look up that info yourself for your municipality. You can then look at the population of your municipality and then let out an oh shit, "you mean that's all there is between civilization and anarchy?"

Hence the lockdowns based on the numbers coming out of China and a lot of old Italians dying off at once.

I am on record saying that the media was hysterical and that those numbers were bogus. The Health officials convinced the politicians to flatten the curve to save civilization.

Health officials follow Patrick's advice. ---- NEVER APOLOGIZE
15   WookieMan   ignore (7)   2021 May 12, 4:15am     ↓ dislike (0)   quote   flag      

Misc says
You can look up that info yourself for your municipality. You can then look at the population of your municipality and then let out an oh shit, "you mean that's all there is between civilization and anarchy?"

I agreed with the initial reaction. We stayed home, got groceries for 15 days to stop the spread. Then Fauci kept moving the goal posts. My nurse friends weren't dying or even contracting covid. Same with my fire fighter and cop friends. I know hundreds of county road workers and engineers who were still doing on site work and sharing vehicles. None of them got it.

I hate to politicize it, but in hindsight they thought the initial reaction from Trump would be worse. And that would just do him in for 2020. So they just started reclassifying pneumonia, lung cancer, flu and other respiratory deaths as covid deaths. Of the people I know that got it, only one exhibited flu like symptoms enough to visit the doc. Everyone else was the loss of smell, fatigue and a dry cough at best. So it's real, it's just not what was happening in media, WHO, CDC, etc. narrative.

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