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zzyzzx says
Cherry picking and misrepresenting facts is fun. If you take this at face value, you are easily manipulated.
Cherry picking and misrepresenting facts is fun. If you take this at face value, you are easily manipulated.
Hundreds of millions of individuals have had the vaccines without issues. Even so, we do not yet understand long term effects.
Everyone should make their own decision about getting vaccinated
Truth -
Vaccines like Pfizer & Moderna have been shown highly effective against symptomatic disease with 95-100% protection in clinical trials, and 97% measured in Israel's population.
Studies show Pfizer vaccine is very effective at preventing infection altogether, with 1 dose shown to reduce spread in UK households 50%, and 2 doses shown to reduce asymptomatic infection by 94% in Israel.
US county policies are predicated on spread, hospitalization, and ICU usage. By significantly reducing spread and symptomatic infection, vaccines are enabling schools and businesses to open to higher capacities sooner.
Taking the vaccine enables ease of travel, for example CDC recommends that un-vaccinated individuals get tested and quarantine for 2 weeks when traveling, and vaccinated individuals need not take special precautions. Masking guidance is also eased in vaccinated individuals.
Current vaccines have been authorized under "Emergency Use Authoriz...
Though I know if we don't stop the slippery slope slide we are on we won't be able to travel without the vaccine passport IF the world opens back up.
less than 20% of the at-risk population getting infected before vaccination took over. Lockdowns + vaccination saved a majority of lives.
FuckCCP89 saysAround 20% you say? Interesting coincidence....
It's not. Enlighten us...
Yes... except that some of the age groups show 47% antibody rates... so no.
People that get asymptomatic covid still develop antibodies.
Cherry picking and misrepresenting facts is fun.
Lockdowns + vaccination saved a majority of lives.
Lockdowns + vaccination saved a majority of lives.
Stop saying you “did your research” before you got the Covid-19 vaccine … because YOU ARE the research!
ThreeBays saysLockdowns + vaccination saved a majority of lives.
There's no model that exists that could ever prove this. If there is choice A - No lockdowns, or choice B - lockdowns, we took choice B. You or anyone has zero evidence that choice A wouldn't have been better and maybe we wouldn't have even needed a vaccine.
This idea that the path we chose was correct assumes a ton of things. I stopped listening to anything the CDC or Fauci said in early May 2020. Started traveling. Hung out with big groups of neighbors. Didn't wear a mask. Never quarantined after trips. I'm not dead, got sick once (tested negative from a BS test), didn't go to the doctor besides my foot and that was it.
You're buying the hype. I'm not trying to be a dick, more so pointing out how big of a con job Covid is/was. I understand if you're 60+ there might be some concern. Guess what... most every bo...
To force 81% into draconian lockdowns destroying the livelihoods of many and forcing kids to stay at home, cancel school and wear masks to prevent infection and illness in 20% with a chance of death around 0.01%-0.1% is not only diabolical and heartless, it's mathematically stupid.
maybe we wouldn't have even needed a vaccine.
And that's ignoring the fact that healthcare systems would have been overwhelmed and many more would die that could have been saved in hospitals.
it means the amount of death if we let the virus spread uncontrollably could be 4 or 5 times larger (i.e. over 2 million as initially modeled). And that's ignoring the fact that healthcare systems would have been overwhelmed and many more would die that could have been saved in hospitals.
mell says81% have some sort of cross immunity, so you likely came in contact with it but didn't develop any noticeable illness. To force 81% into draconian lockdowns destroying the livelihoods of many and forcing kids to stay at home, cancel school and wear masks to prevent infection and illness in 20% with a chance of death around 0.01%-0.1% is not only diabolical and heartless, it's mathematically stupid.
The estimates of becoming ill, hospitalized, or dead lined up pretty much where scientists thought they were right at the beginning of the pandemic (https://youtu.be/y6h8TIxeg1g?t=54 if you need a memory jog of 1 year ago):
- 80% will have either mild or no symptoms
- 15-20% will have pneumonia
- 4% will develop ARDS or multi-organ failure
- 1% will die
Every argument that it was a h...
There's little to no data on how many people have died because of the vaccines instead of with the vaccines. Don't be fooled by the bots that are trying to hurt America by spinning any anecdotes about the vaccine.
Shaman saysWell, the # of deaths would've been FAR less if we allowed docs to prescribe Ivermectin and we pushed folks to take Vitamin D supplements. But no, they didn't because that would've taken away their FDA Emergency Authorization for the gene therapy jabs.1) nope, still almost 600,000 died supposedly of Covid even though there were lockdowns. Lockdown states like New York fared far worse with Covid death rate than non lockdown states like Florida despite the sunshine state being jam packed with oldsters.
2)vaccines have killed a bunch of people. I thought “every life mattered?” Estimates for vax deaths run into the tens of thousands.
3)masks don’t work.
A majority of deaths are in the over 65. If 20% or less of over 65s actually got the virus, it means the amount of death if we let the virus spread uncontrollably could be 4 or 5 times larger (i.e. over 2 million as initially modeled). And that's ignoring the fact that healthcare systems would have been overwhelmed and many more would die that could have been saved in hospitals.
There's little to no data on how many people have died because of the vaccines instead o...
scientistsThreeBays says
many 10s of arguments from your side have been proven wrong again and again and again.
WookieMan saysThreeBays saysLockdowns + vaccination saved a majority of lives.
There's no model that exists that could ever prove this. If there is choice A - No lockdowns, or choice B - lockdowns, we took choice B. You or anyone has zero evidence that choice A wouldn't have been better and maybe we wouldn't have even needed a vaccine.
This idea that the path we chose was correct assumes a ton of things. I stopped listening to anything the CDC or Fauci said in early May 2020. Started traveling. Hung out with big groups of neighbors. Didn't wear a mask. Never quarantined after trips. I'm not dead, got sick once (tested negative from a BS test), didn't go to the doctor besides my foot and that was it.
You're buying the hype. I'm not trying to be a dick, more so pointing out how big of a con job Covid is/was....
Didn't you take the vax?
ThreeBays saysThere's little to no data on how many people have died because of the vaccines instead of with the vaccines. Don't be fooled by the bots that are trying to hurt America by spinning any anecdotes about the vaccine.
VAERS?
At this point over 3,000 people's deaths have been directly attributed to the injection of the experimental biologic agent according to VAERS. some say that the actual number of deaths and injuries from the experimental biologic agent may be 10 or 20 times as great.
By little or no data do you mean that most deaths and injury's from the experimental biologic agent go unreported?
Onvacation saysVAERS?
At this point over 3,000 people's deaths have been directly attributed to the injection of the experimental biologic agent according to VAERS. some say that the actual number of deaths and injuries from the experimental biologic agent may be 10 or 20 times as great.
By little or no data do you mean that most deaths and injury's from the experimental biologic agent go unreported?
You're confused; VAERS records any deaths reported "with" the vaccine, and few if any have been directly "attributed" to the vaccine yet.
mell sayslol vaers used to be THE scientific goto database for adverse reactions and deaths. Until 2021. Now the media lackeys started attacking it as "unreliable". Go figure
Not at all, why are you making shit up?...
mell saysOf course not in the same manner that nobody can prove that anyone died of covid (as opposed to with). The vaers deaths and reactions are as likely to be caused by the agent as covid caused any of those 500k deaths. No reason to dismiss these likely vaccine caused deaths and severe side effects with a straw man disclaimer. Nobody is doing a post hum autopsy on any of the presumed covid 19 deaths, they are just alleged.
Partly true. With covid they will be able to record the cause of death based on if someone had severe covid symptoms and died from ARDS or pneumonia or multi-organ failure associated with covid condition.
On the other hand VAERS will get records of people that died of heart disease or literally any ailment within a week or something of receiving the vaccine. People die of other causes on a regular basis so it is not "as likely" to be caused by the vac...
If you don’t get vaccinated you will not be able to leave the USA for years
Also what bothers me is the bot/troll/disinformation smear. Nobody here has ever said covid is a hoax or not real. I'm fine with the "vaccine"/agent as a personal choice/option. Medicine and science in general have always been evolving. Only with the lefts recent clampdown on free speech have MDs now been harassed, fired and barred as well as regular folks persecuted for engaging in healthy scientific debates around this still fairly new virus. Yet the left and government acted and coerced as if they had all the answers when they had none. When did somebody disagreeing become a Russian troll or bot?!
The experimental biologic agent that the government is pushing will not end well, I fear.
Onvacation saysThe experimental biologic agent that the government is pushing will not end well, I fear.
It's been a month now since I had my J&J shot. Not even herpes yet.
People that are suspicious of a savior, are people but people that just blindly trusts a savior is either religious or a slave of their government. I don't see why you're so eager to trust. It's confusing to me when people act derisively toward people whose suspicious nature has often proven to be correct.It's a defense mechanism because they see it as attacking their intelligence and lack of free thinking. They don't want to feel stupid for being a sheep and not thinking for themselves, and they've already invested in their decision by getting the jab. It's human nature.
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I know a few and they sound like absolute shit, and both feel like absolute crap.
Anyone else?
Why the fuck are people injecting themselves with a non-FDA approved biological agent?
And what the fuck are people afraid of, when this covid has a 99.97% survival rate?
I don't understand this level of retardedness... Or maybe I am just super, over the top, fucking retarded, that I can't understand this shit.