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Vaccination: Can Your Employer Force You To Take Them?


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2021 May 5, 8:12pm   704 views  50 comments

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Ok...trying this again. But if I so much as get ANY crap from @EBGuy, I don't care about what the 'rules' say. I shall unleash. FYI @Patrick

Context: VP at work told us we will start going back into the office 'soon'. Everyone will be required to be there at least 3 days a week. And it has to be the same days the rest of the team is because of something called 'teamwork synergy'.

Nevermind asking, "WTF was going on when everyone was working remotely with Slack and Zoom then?"

Then I found out thru the grapevine that when this goes down, everyone will be required to be COVID vaccinated.

Except that legally from what I can determine they can't do that.

This is because the vaccines are not FDA approved yet. That won't happen for another two years, at least. What approval they have now is called Emergency Use Authorization. EUA, for short. Memorize that acronym as you will no doubt be hearing about it more and more.

Congress set explicit language in the EUA law that says that NO ONE can be forced to take the EUA vaccinations. Not even hospital workers.

AND, most states have laws that allow you to sue an employer if they fire you for refusing to not comply with federal laws as well as state ones. This includes getting full reimbursement for legal fees from the employer, in addition to the usual damages.

I do not know if this is the case in CA.

There are other articles out there where EEOC and California's commie equivalents have issued GUIDELINES or GUIDANCES that say otherwise. Guidelines have no force of law to them, tho. So they are all legal bullshit.

But what the real thing you must know is that nothing has gone to court yet over this. And until some lawsuits happen followed by establishment of case law on this subject, the above can still be up in the air in actuality.

Now, this alone would make one think that legal depts for every company out there would warn management that they can't require COVIDE vaccinations on employees against their will until some judge...probably SCOTUS ones...say they can, damn the law Congress wrote.

Which means...in my opinion....companies that tow this line are really bluffing. All one has to do is refuse to comply and they will fold, on an individual case-by-case basis.

But that is just MY OPINION. This post is not meant to be a form of any real legal advice and you should consult with a licensed attorney if you really want to get any VALID dirt this or any other subject of the law that you read on-line.

Reading material: https://www.statnews.com/2021/02/23/federal-law-prohibits-employers-and-others-from-requiring-vaccination-with-a-covid-19-vaccine-distributed-under-an-eua/

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41   AmericanKulak   2021 May 6, 7:18pm  

ThreeBays says
Don't underestimate how litigious Americans are. Everything is fine until you get caught. If you do and someone gets sick that was in your vicinity at work or wherever, you might have unlimited civil liability.


It's illegal in TX and FL for any business or gov agency to require proof of vaccination.

Also, it's illegal to mandate an experimental vaccine, period. Nuremberg Laws.
42   Shaman   2021 May 6, 8:46pm  

ThreeBays says
Don't underestimate how litigious Americans are. Everything is fine until you get caught. If you do and someone gets sick that was in your vicinity at work or wherever, you might have unlimited civil liability.


Go ahead and refer to some supporting case law. Nobody’s ever before been held civilly liable for someone else contracting an infectious respiratory disease. Ever.
43   richwicks   2021 May 6, 9:03pm  

Shaman says
ThreeBays says
Don't underestimate how litigious Americans are. Everything is fine until you get caught. If you do and someone gets sick that was in your vicinity at work or wherever, you might have unlimited civil liability.


Go ahead and refer to some supporting case law. Nobody’s ever before been held civilly liable for someone else contracting an infectious respiratory disease. Ever.


I live in California.

It's LEGAL to fuck somebody without telling them you're HIV+ or have any other STD.

Although I'm not at all certain that this fuck state wouldn't prosecute somebody for passing on a cold.
44   Eric Holder   2021 May 6, 11:13pm  

Robert Sproul says
FBI
March 30, 2021

Alert Number
I-033021-PSA
Questions regarding this PSA should be directed to your local FBI Field Office.
Local Field Office Locations: www.fbi.gov/contact-us/field-offices If You Make or Buy a Fake COVID-19 Vaccination Record Card, You Endanger Yourself and Those Around You, and You Are Breaking the Law
The Department of Health and Human Services, Office of Inspector General (HHS-OIG) and the FBI are advising the public to be aware of individuals selling fake COVID-19 vaccination record cards and encouraging others to print fake cards at home. Fake vaccination record cards have been advertised on social media websites, as well as e-commerce platforms and blogs.
Vaccination record cards are intended to provide recipients of the COVID-19 vaccine with information about the type of vaccine they received, and when they may be able to receive a second dose of ...


Empty bluff. There is no reasonable path between a fake vaxx card presented to a business and being prosecuted for it.
45   Eric Holder   2021 May 6, 11:14pm  

ThreeBays says
Don't underestimate how litigious Americans are. Everything is fine until you get caught. If you do and someone gets sick that was in your vicinity at work or wherever, you might have unlimited civil liability.


That, my friend, is called grasping for straws.
46   Eric Holder   2021 May 6, 11:15pm  

Eric Holder says
ThreeBays says
Forging vaccination records would easily carry criminal penalties.


How do you envision this would unfold? Suppose you're an employer being presented by this vacc card by your employee:



Is it real?

What about this one?



Which one is fake? How did you figure? What's you next step? What will be the PC for the prosecution? Your WAG? You'll be laughed out of town.


So, did you get a good look at the cards? Which one is fake? How did you decide?

BUELLER?!!!
47   Zak   2021 May 6, 11:17pm  

Onvacation says
First we must wear masks to buy food.


You know you must wash your hands before returning to work after using the bathroom as well right? GASP And it is illegal to spit in someones food! The HORROR. WHAT ABOUT YOUR CIVIL RIGHTS!!!
48   Onvacation   2021 May 7, 12:01am  

Zak says
The HORROR. WHAT ABOUT YOUR CIVIL RIGHTS!!!

pathetic.

Have a good night.
49   Misc   2021 May 7, 5:36am  

Pfizer's oodles of lawyers seems to agree with the OP.

Therefore, they immediately move to remove the "Emergency" label. Thus, institutions are able to force the vaccination.

Twerps, but they do have the cash to buy off just about anyone.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/pfizer-asks-fda-for-full-approval-of-coronavirus-vaccine/ar-BB1gsRQ2?ocid=msedgntp
50   zzyzzx   2021 May 7, 6:38am  



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Since illegals won't be using these passports, it's doubtful that it will ever be some sort of requirement.

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