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Patrick says

I think there are very few who are truly long-term homeless outside those two groups. Anyone who is not mentally ill and willing to work can usually find someplace to live.

A homeless guy used to live on my street. He used to caution me against his "violent dog" who was anything but - I think he said that because he was afraid of me. I'm generally good with dogs anyhow and it was just a little thing, even if it was violent, nicks and scratches.

We struck up a little bit of a friendship. He was bankrupted by medical debt when he got cancer. He was employed. Worked security. He had a gym membership so he could shower and clean up. I'm right next to a Safeway that has a public toilet. I'm certain the proximity to Safeway gave him unlimited internet use as well. Not a bad guy.

I think there's quite a few people like that. He wasn't a drug addict, he wasn't mentally ill. He just needed some stability to get back onto his feet.

Ceffer says

Yup. Gay marriage was another landing craft for this war on the family. Rockefeller/lesbian financed feminism was one of the first. Women were stupid enough to believe that shit, while insisting on full female privilege. They always insist on full female privilege.

OK, I'm going to defend feminism, as it was in 1950.

My mother, when she got married, was immediately fired from her job, because what is the point of keeping a woman around in the graphical art department who is just going to be pumping out kids anyhow?

I had a great aunt that timed her pregnancies so that she gave birth during the summer so she wouldn't be fired as a teacher.

Now on the OTHER side of this....

I had a "math teacher" that got pregnant for 3 years straight, taught for 1/2 the year, and we were stuck with a substitute. Despite this asshole of a teacher, I managed to become an engineer. Fully paid leave, and this was under Ronnie Reagan.

richwicks says

He wasn't a drug addict, he wasn't mentally ill. He just needed some stability to get back onto his feet.

LOL! Since you have 'accurately' diagnosed him as neither a drug addict or mentally ill, why don't you give him a place to stay until he is back on his feet? That's the 'proof of the pudding' for the homeless co-dependents, until you find you fell for their sob story and start finding your belongings at the local pawn shop.

richwicks says

My mother, when she got married, was immediately fired from her job, because what is the point of keeping a woman around in the graphical art department who is just going to be pumping out kids anyhow?

Yep. And this keeps labor costs high and allows men to support a stay at home mother of their kids.

richwicks says

I think there's quite a few people like that. He wasn't a drug addict, he wasn't mentally ill. He just needed some stability to get back onto his feet.

Very few. Not even 10% of the homeless.

About 2/3 are drug addicts and most of the remaining third started as mentally ill, but because of the fictional book/movie Flew over the Cuckoo's Nest 60s Radical "People aren't Crazy, Society is" Leftist Propaganda, don't get the 24-7 institutionalized care (halfway houses with a Social Justice Worker can't keep tabs or control the half dozen or more of them) they used to get, develop alcohol/drug addictions to deal with the voices/instability.

Genuine Homeless people without serious mental or drug problems bounce back very quickly.

If you read the story I put up about my Sheriff and the Hotel, even the "Sympathetic" figure of the mother reveals the truth when she says her family is afraid to visit for fear of being pulled over - probably because they're barely functional drug addicts with a list of outstanding crimes.

AmericanKulak says

Genuine Homeless people without serious mental or drug problems bounce back very quickly.

Mainly because this is exactly the person they want for subsidized housing. However, there was one homeless woman on bad tube who had no drug or alcohol usage, didn't smoke, and she was homeless for a while and said every homeless person she met in the homeless camps except for herself had substance abuse problems. That's in addition to the mental illness, ex-cons etc. etc.

Every addict has a sob story that exonerates them because it is phishing for chumps.

AmericanKulak says

richwicks says

My mother, when she got married, was immediately fired from her job, because what is the point of keeping a woman around in the graphical art department who is just going to be pumping out kids anyhow?

Yep. And this keeps labor costs high and allows men to support a stay at home mother of their kids.

Perhaps, but I don't think women should have less opportunity then men, simply because of their sex.

I think very few people do.

Consider a woman that refuses to have children, but is suspected she may, she'd experience discrimination.

I don't think there should be paid leave for women who have children either. That's a MAJOR THING in your life, and I think a woman that chooses to stay home with her kids, is probably the best caregiver her kids can possibly have.

Let society work it out, government - fuck off. Change attitudes, not laws.

I like the early feminism in that women just wanted equal opportunity, I fully support that unconditionally but I believe attitudes should have been modified, not the legal system. Government fucks everything up. I feel the same way about civil rights. Black people felt they were getting the short end of the stick, AND THEY WERE, so they started demanding that they could police their own communities but have access to white communities. Segregation was largely a government function, not private. If you're a corporation in a FREE MARKET, you don't discriminate based on race, a dollar is a dollar. This was working out in the 1950's and 1960's so when this was working out the government had to get involved to divide us once again.

If a company discriminated against blacks or Chinese or whatever, I'd boycott them today. So would most of the United States - in a free market, this shit works itself out.

AmericanKulak says

About 2/3 are drug addicts and most of the remaining third started as mentally ill, but because of the fictional book/movie Flew over the Cuckoo's Nest 60s Radical "People aren't Crazy, Society is" Leftist Propaganda, don't get the 24-7 institutionalized care (halfway houses with a Social Justice Worker can't keep tabs or control the half dozen or more of them) they used to get, develop alcohol/drug addictions to deal with the voices/instability.

I'm just talking about a sample of one. That means there is a 100% chance of statistical error in my viewpoint. One other homeless guy I knew on my street, is legitimately insane.

1) There are some homeless who have just fallen on hard times.

2) From there, I'd say it's mentally ill.

3) And from there it's drug addicts, of which either group can fall into.

The problem is our fucking government has no interest in solving the problem or helping people. That's the myth. NO EFFORT is made to solve the problem. It's not hard to make a secure safe, SMALL area for the homeless. People with drug problems can be treated. Mental health is more difficult.

For people without drug problems, build a sanatorium in the middle of nowhere and teach them job skills. Don't keep up? Kick them out. I believe society should protect the vulnerable, because it's cheaper to do in the long run.

Ceffer says

richwicks says

He wasn't a drug addict, he wasn't mentally ill. He just needed some stability to get back onto his feet.

LOL! Since you have 'accurately' diagnosed him as neither a drug addict or mentally ill, why don't you give him a place to stay until he is back on his feet? That's the 'proof of the pudding' for the homeless co-dependents, until you find you fell for their sob story and start finding your belongings at the local pawn shop.

No - he never asked me for a place to stay and I didn't feel sorry for him, and I never helped him. We just talked.

He never imposed upon me in any way. I can't say that about many other people I know. He was quite independent.

BayArea says

Fortwaynemobile says

Promotes idea of sodomy as normal

What about anal sex in a hetero relationship, do you also see this as wrong?

Personally - I just see it as gross. But whatever, you're adults!

You're adults, right?

richwicks says

Perhaps, but I don't think women should have less opportunity then men, simply because of their sex.

I think very few people do.

Women have childbearing work to do which is built into their nature. If this work is neglected, then a whole society dies, which is also a massive harm.

Everything is a tradeoff, but every society which agrees that it should die will be pretty soon be dead. How can that be a good trade for anything?

Ceffer says

Every addict has a sob story that exonerates them because it is phishing for chumps.

This is pretty much the essence of addiction, just like alcoholism.

As long as it's never their fault, it doesn't end. The acceptance of personal guilt and apologizing to all those they have harmed by their very, very bad choices is the beginning of recovery. Addicts have done something wrong and need to face up to that to change anything.

A few of the 12 Steps in AA:

5. Admitted to God, to ourselves, and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs.

6. Were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of character.

7. Humbly asked Him to remove our shortcomings.

8. Made a list of all persons we had harmed, and became willing to make amends to them all.

9. Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others.

10. Continued to take personal inventory and when we were wrong promptly admitted it.

I'm pretty sure that gays are in the exact same boat. They have done something horribly wrong and need to take responsibility for their moral failing and apologize for the harm it has caused others, not to mention themselves.

AmericanKulak says

About 2/3 are drug addicts and most of the remaining third started as mentally ill, but because of the fictional book/movie Flew over the Cuckoo's Nest 60s Radical "People aren't Crazy, Society is" Leftist Propaganda, don't get the 24-7 institutionalized care (halfway houses with a Social Justice Worker can't keep tabs or control the half dozen or more of them) they used to get, develop alcohol/drug addictions to deal with the voices/instability.

Exactly. One of my sisters is a nurse and social worker. She was the one who introduced me to the term "self-medicating", meaning people who are using drugs or alcohol as treatment for mental illness.

Also interesting: schizophrenics smoke a lot, and it actually does help reduce their symptoms temporarily.

Ceffer says

until you find you fell for their sob story and start finding your belongings at the local pawn shop

I used to wonder how anyone's family can kick them out, but after hearing that addicts often start selling off their family's personal possessions to get money for drugs, I kinda understand. Add to that the threat of being stabbed or worse if their relative is schizo.

Patrick says

richwicks says

Perhaps, but I don't think women should have less opportunity then men, simply because of their sex.

I think very few people do.

Women have childbearing work to do which is built into their nature. If this work is neglected, then a whole society dies, which is also a massive harm.

Everything is a tradeoff, but every society which agrees that it should die will be pretty soon be dead. How can that be a good trade for anything?

It just corrects itself. It's not like 100% of society goes all in.

We're an evolutionary species, and bad ideas and concepts, kill themselves.

You can justifiably complain about teenage girls transgendering to "men", and teenage boys transgendering to "women". Well if there is ANY GENETIC COMPONENT TO IT, it's gone in a generation isn't it?

It's not true that what doesn't kill you makes you stronger, but what doesn't kill a society does make it stronger. Society is a potentially immortal organism. Eventually something will kill off our society, but in the meantime, we grow more fierce. We're just going through a temporary, perhaps self-induced, sickness. Perhaps a temporarily stronger yet weaker society will kill us off, but not entirely. What remains will make a fiercer brute. It's been this way for a billion years.

When a society accepts and condones perversion, it begins a downward spiral, with each generation accepting what the previous generation rejected. We've gone from legalizing gay marriage to Drag Queens performing lewdly in front of little children, while schools books advocate the LGBTQ radical agenda.

Yep. I wish they would stop with the "Slippery Slope" Fallacy. On every social issue I've seen get legalized or decriminalized in my life, the meat of the "Slippery Slope" claimants came true.

Weed will cure cystic fibrosis, and free the mind, led to millions of smoked out losers, sometimes graduating to harder drugs... for every one that succeeds while being a habitual smoker there are 3 that are marginally or unemployed Green Time Warp Zone residents... Potheads inherit houses from relatives, within a few years it's a crack house or meth den because their "Friends" moved in...

Gay Marriage turning into No Bullying Courses in K12 that turned into LGBTQ+ clubs that turned into Drag Queens at School and finally bans on sharing "Gender Identity Disorder" diagnosis from School Officials (usually "Licensed Socialist Workers") with parents.

Calling it 'marriage' was a purposeful subversive turning of the language originally intended to denote a union between male and female. It was a shot across the bow in the downgrading, subversion and perversion of the marriage concept itself, just as 'feminism' was an Intel agency caper to hang women from their own hysterical petard.

Lol! Now, the so-called empowered women are being defeated in sports by castrated and artificially estrogen juiced men, and raped in prisons by trannies. The irony.

AmericanKulak says

Weed will cure cystic fibrosis, and free the mind, led to millions of smoked out losers, sometimes graduating to harder drugs... for every one that succeeds while being a habitual smoker there are 3 that are marginally or unemployed Green Time Warp Zone residents...

OK, I'm going to argue with this one.

Without doubt weed made me a better person. More compassionate, more thoughtful. It makes ME creative, but often in ways that are useless, but sometimes in ways that are very useful.

It doesn't demotivate me, quite the opposite.

I think I am an outlier though. I can't smoke up and go to sleep, when I smoke up, I have to study, learn. It doesn't appear to effect me in the same way as other people.

AmericanKulak says

Gay Marriage turning into No Bullying Courses in K12 that turned into LGBTQ+ clubs that turned into Drag Queens at School and finally bans on sharing "Gender Identity Disorder" diagnosis from School Officials (usually "Licensed Socialist Workers") with parents.

Dr. John Money did that..

The problem is that parents don't have control over publik edukashun. Do you even know what the budget for your local publik skool is? Most parents don't care, and aren't involved. This is the result.

richwicks says

Dr. John Money did that..

Dr. John Money, a New Zealand Calvinist who rebelled against his parents and religion, emmigrated to North America, faked the reports of the recovery of David Reimer who he told the parents to raise as a "Girl".

BUT, the social push I described was well beyond Dr. Money. The tactics were from a book published in the early 90s talking about decriminalizing sodomy, then pushing for 'partnership rights', then full marriage, then anti-bullying, then transrights, and eventually liberating all sexuality from government. It was about dropping the "Crazy People" tactics and having gays put themselves out as ordinary people and that "Love is Love". I'll have to find the name and author of the book, it's the Rules for Radicals for LGBTQ+