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DEATH TO THE DEATH JABBERS!

Patrick says

I'm making a decision here to protect the public from the jab.

No one on patrick.net may advocate the jab and remain here.

The jab is MURDER FOR PROFIT.

The idea that is it safe is fatal misinformation.

It everyone's moral imperative to stop all jabs immediately.

Every post or content advocating murder will be deleted pronto.

Totally disagree. This is the "same logic" vaccine promoters are using to ban people who oppose vaccine.
They say you are advocating for "death" by dereliction.

If you keep the stance, This no longer will be free speech site. It is best to argue hard against this "jab" not ban its advocates.

SAVE AMERICA!

SHOOT ALL NURSES IN THE FACE!

AND TAKE THEM BEFORE THEY'RE COLD, exactly as the Founding Fathers commanded!

farmer2021 says

Totally disagree. This is the "same logic" vaccine promoters are using to ban people who oppose vaccine.
They say you are advocating for "death" by dereliction.

If you keep the stance, This no longer will be free speech site. It is best to argue hard against this "jab" not ban its advocates.

I concur.

Instead, I'd use a type of tag, called Death Jab promoter. So that everytime someone reads it, they see "Promoting the Death Jab is not sponsored by PatNet and Co. Yes, this means you!"

This would like be the label on vitamins where saying "the FDA doesn't approve the statement that Lipoic Acid is good for diabetes"

Patrick says

I'm making a decision here to protect the public from the jab.

No one on patrick.net may advocate the jab and remain here.

Respectfully, I strongly disagree with this.

First of all, you don't know if it will kill people, or even harm people in the VAST majority of cases.

Second of all, people that haven't taken the vaccine aren't going to take the vaccine just because of somebody HERE. They might do it because their job pressures them into doing it. I suggest people in that position start saving for a period of being unemployed (everybody should always be doing this anyhow.)

Third, you are doing the same thing that Facebook, Google and Twitter are doing, if you do this.

Patrick says

The jab is MURDER FOR PROFIT.

I doubt it's profit. The Federal Reserve can, and does, make as much fucking money as they want, to control any group they want. They have more influence than any other organization in this country. They are the head of our mafia.

farmer2021 says

If you keep the stance, This no longer will be free speech site. It is best to argue hard against this "jab" not ban its advocates.

I agree. I think at MOST you should put in some stupid warnings like:

Facebook Recommends This!
Fact Checkers Agree!
Obey the Government, or be a Terrorist!

or post a gif of any one of the number of people that ended up having tremors as a result.

Ridicule works wonders.

Well I had a good run here. Your name, your site, your rules. Although we can't say the covid "vaccines" being pushed are safe, we can't say they are not safe.. not yet.

Data is still being gathered. We who elected to take the shot are the biggest trial cohort in history. Time will tell if that was wise but at that point the damage (or the benift) is already done.

This edict negates your free speech message. I urge you to respectfully reconsider.

Yes there is a non zero chance that the jab will make you ill (or possibly die) and long term effects are unknown (which for me was the biggest hang up) but measure that against the risk from Covid. Yes for > 99% the virus is survivable, but comorbidities increase chance of a bad outcome. Eveyone is different. Age, health, genetics, etc.

I'm not advocating for it, to each their own, but I'm not actively campaigning against it either. The fact that you are bothers me. Sorry, but it does. You have your opinion and some good arguments for not getting the shot, but personal health decisions are just that... personal. For me it was the lesser of the two evils at the time.

Are there things about this vaccine roll out that give me pause? Yes. Plenty. Do I think the government or an employer should coerce people into getting the shot? No. (Although that is exactly what they are doing.)

Clearly I know where you stand. Fine. I don't begrudge you. Perhaps I have "buyers remorse", but for me the downside risk of the jab outweighed the downside risk of Covid... but that's just me. I'm not going to tell someone to get it or not get it.

But I don't equate getting a trial therapy (which is what this mRNA shot is) with murder.

Frankly I've mostly stayed out of the fray on this because its so divisive...

There are many important topics that merit discussion. This site has been for many years an oasis bringing together bright people and disparate points of view.

To banish those who fall in line and advocate the vaccine (for whatever reason) or extend that line of thinking to anyone who dosent actively campaign against the "jab" as you call it? Harsh. What ever happened to rational debate and dialog?

Just my two cents. Take it or leave it as you see fit.

farmer2021 says

Totally disagree. This is the "same logic" vaccine promoters are using to ban people who oppose vaccine.

Have to agree here.

We all know that the vaxxers are ignorant, brainwashed, or shilling for the murderers. Don't ban them; refute them. If they're ignorant or brainwashed educate them. If they're shills, expose them.

GreaterNYCDude says

Well I had a good run here. Your name, your site, your rules. Although we can't say the covid "vaccines" being pushed are safe, we can't say they are not safe.. not yet.

Sure we can:


Original Link

Here, let me find a slide that accidentally popped up in a presentation, LAST year:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XTiL9rUpkg



At 2:33:40. You may have to play it slow to catch it. That was posted Oct 22, 2020 - last year, before the vaccines were available. Go through the list, which ONE side effect HASN'T shown up?

They knew, but they don't advertise is and our "news" media lies to us, and people who have suffered adverse reactions are blocked on Facebook, Youtube, and Twitter. They are preventing you, actively, from having an informed decision. Our establishment doesn't give a FUCK if you die, or get debilitating disease for the rest of your life. They don't care. All this bullshit about lockdowns, masks, social distancing, vaccines has NOTHING to do with the public good or your health.

But, if you want to get the vaccine, go ahead. Just remember, I wouldn't be able to post this on Facebook, Twitter, or Youtube. I'm sure those 100 billion dollar companies care for individuals, and they aren't just faceless evil corporations that think you're stupid, and treat you that way.

Onvacation says

We all know that the vaxxers are ignorant, brainwashed, or shilling for the murderers. Don't ban them; refute them.

Exactly.

You need censorship to prop up a lie, you NEVER need it to expose the truth. Ever.

And who knows? Maybe we're wrong. I highly doubt it, but I'm always open to the possibility.

farmer2021 says

Totally disagree. This is the "same logic" vaccine promoters are using to ban people who oppose vaccine.
They say you are advocating for "death" by dereliction.

If you keep the stance, This no longer will be free speech site. It is best to argue hard against this "jab" not ban its advocates.

I agree with this. Free speech and debate is why I come here, even if someone's POV is retarded. Just no repeated trolling.

Lots of scary outcomes on that list but that KAWASAKI disease is a sumbich.

Agree with posters. Ideas should be argued about, and not banned from discussion. Otherwise we turn into MSNPCFOX

Discussion should be limited to agreeing with Donald Trump.

If you even think you may disagree with him, you should shoot yourself in the face.

SumatraBosch says

SumatraBosch

Free Republic of Nias??? if yes, impressivelyy obscure

Shrug, I’m vaccinated.

I have crap history of health snd remain far from the best of health. Any threat from the vaccine is grossly exceeded by the threat Covid poses to me.

I’m not some kook. I went out in public and hated staying home for too long last year. Wife and I took multiple weekend trips last year, mostly to Las Vegas. She eventually got Covid. I didn’t. I don’t know why.

I don’t care if others get vaccinated or don’t. Personal choice. But to say the vaccine is death is just as dumb as proclaiming that everyone needs to wear a mask. There’s a pros and cons analysis for everyone and unfortunately we still have incomplete information in making that decision.

The current available medical products produced by Moderna, Pfizer, Johnson and Johnson are available under Emergency Use Authorizations. There is no emergency and this is why the risk outweighs the benefits. For this reason Patrick has taken a stand to prevent unnecessary death and morbidity. You are free to argue against that stance but just as it is barbaric to play Russian roulette or to coerce others to play that game, so it is barbaric to promote medical experiments with unvetted biological agents when there is in fact no emergency.

FuckTheMainstreamMedia says

Shrug, I’m vaccinated.

I have crap history of health snd remain far from the best of health. Any threat from the vaccine is grossly exceeded by the threat Covid poses to me.

I’m not some kook. I went out in public and hated staying home for too long last year. Wife and I took multiple weekend trips last year, mostly to Las Vegas. She eventually got Covid. I didn’t. I don’t know why.

I don’t care if others get vaccinated or don’t. Personal choice. But to say the vaccine is death is just as dumb as proclaiming that everyone needs to wear a mask. There’s a pros and cons analysis for everyone and unfortunately we still have incomplete information in making that decision.

If your wife got it before your vaccination then you likely had cross immunity from a prior cold. Better than any agent. But I remember you said you took it and why should anyone care, it's your personal decision. I think what brings many on the edge is the constant pressure. I don't give a shit what they do to entice, or if 100 bars in the bay area require inoculation with the experimental agent to drink indoors, fuck them, I don't do business with them. But travel is unsettling if you have family and friends across the pond. Luckily only one good friend in France, but it's crossed off the list until they reverse this bullshit. And I believe they will reverse it. Just have to get through this bullshit hype and fear porn

I can't comment on the vaccine except to say that females who breath through my penis since the onset of COVID 19 have exhibited a 100 percent survival rate.

The key to immortality made obvious, I am offering this CV19 prophylactic to all eligible hot babes and lesbians in committed relationships that allow me to watch.

FuckTheMainstreamMedia says

I don’t care if others get vaccinated or don’t. Personal choice. But to say the vaccine is death is just as dumb as proclaiming that everyone needs to wear a mask. There’s a pros and cons analysis for everyone and unfortunately we still have incomplete information in making that decision.

I'm going to sound like an asshole saying this, but I'm going to say it anyhow.

I've lived through George H. Bush lying us into Desert Storm, William Clinton lying us into Bosnia and Serbia, George W. Bush lying us into Iraq (and I think Afghanistan), and Obama lying us into Libya, Syria - as well as Somalia, Pakistan, and Yemen.

There's a tremendous amount of dead bodies as a result, and all the time, ALL the time, have been people shouting me down about how stupid and paranoid I am, how when I said things like "eventually the chickens will come home to roost" - i.e. they will eventually target us, they called me crazy.

Although the death toll would be devastating, MOST of my family (if not all of my family) will be dead, if this vaccine turns out to be a death sentence, at the end of it, I will have to say "served you right", because these people have allowed uncontrolled destruction and murder for 30 fucking years. I now know what the Good German is, I see how propaganda works, and I would like to see a society, if only for a few years before I die, in which propaganda doesn't work.

The sheepiest sheep drag along the herd and NO amount of protest will stop them, even when the dissenters are proved right again, and again, and again, and again - for decades. People who called me "a stupid paranoid asshole" back in 2003 because I didn't think there was a weapons of mass destruction program in Iraq, never apologize, they never back down, they just move on to the new bullshit narrative. I'm fucking sick of this and I'd like to be free of it.

A criminal syndicate is our government, and all I will do is laugh if the criminal syndicate has finally turned on its own population, that has stupidly, arrogantly, and belligerently, trusted them, right up to their own execution. I'm tired of being Cassandra who can see (the obvious) future, and to be violently disbelieved.

I really think all of you are just vastly underestimating the evilness of the left and the complicit ness of their adherents to sacrifice freedom for a false sense of security.

FuckTheMainstreamMedia says

I really think all of you are just vastly underestimating the evilness of the left and the complicit ness of their adherents to sacrifice freedom for a false sense of security.

You are underestimating the evilness of the government. There is no left and right, that's just a distraction. 2 choices are given, in the hopes you'll get on board with one of them. It works for at least 90% of the people.

You’re both right. The Left is evil incarnate. Irredeemable, fully against the people, and committed to genocide.
The right is about half evil, committed to profits over people, and willing to do or say anything to retain their power. And the other half is fighting them.

Vote MAGA only, if you want your power back.

Shaman says

Vote MAGA only, if you want your power back.

Voting doesn't matter.

We just had a stolen election. There's 500 people in prison over the January 6th "insurrection".

You know how many people are in jail for BLM's burning, looting, and murdering? 0, unless you count Kyle Rittenhouse. He killed 2 people attacking him, and wounded a 3rd. All had previous records. At least one for child molestation, another for beating his wife.

The government is TOTALLY corrupt.

I come here because this is the only forum I know of where people actually still discuss ideas. Not argue and belittle each other, although I do still see some of that. I welcome people like Donald, TC45, and Three Bays because they challenge my way of thinking, and don't conform to the conservative circle jerking here that can get a little out of hand at times. Policies like this will just guarantee this becomes a snowflake, full on right wing splooge party. If I want that I can go to almost any sub-reddit or facebook group out there that caters to my beliefs and stroke it till it falls off. But I don't. I want opposing views, and honest dialogue. If my views are strong enough to withstand a little criticism, then they aren't worth having.

I agree that the covid shot is a bad idea, and so far we only really know of the short-term side affects. But so is refined sugar, processed foods, most medications, most MD dietary advise, chemical household cleaners, hand sanitizer, plastic cookware, fireproof mattresses, most beauty products, most cellphones, etc, etc, ETC! Shit, if people knew more about health, this scamdemic never would have made it off the ground.

We don't need to ban pro-covid shot speech, we need to fucking educate people on real health.

NuttBoxer says

I want opposing views, and honest dialogue. If my views are strong enough to withstand a little criticism, then they aren't worth having.

What do you think of dishonest dialogue?

I object to that. I hate it when people lie to me, knowing they are lying to me. I have a strong distaste for propagandists and trolls. They are easy to identify for me, but I don't like endless argument.

I kind of advocated for ApocalypseFucksNow to be tossed from this site at one point. I'd have to check my history to see if I did, but I remember being very annoyed by him, and I don't know what I said. I wanted him off, because he never engaged in thinking he never responded to me, and he didn't make me think. At the very most, he forced a response from something I considered incorrect, that I was compelled to correct, over and over again. He was entirely dishonest in his thinking and opinion, some considered this "a joke", but I know people that would consider his statements seriously and I'm compelled to correct his stated "thinking".

Perhaps I'm a fool, thinking there are bigger fools than me, but we have Drag Queen Story Hour now with people, at least expressing, this is fine and dandy. I live in fucking clown world now, I don't need fucking fake clowns to fight. Nobody does.

Be honest, or fuck off. I want to know when I'm erroneous in my thinking, I don't need some asshole pointing me down a rabbit hole when they know full well it's a goddamned dead end. Sure, you can make a fool of me, but why are you doing this? For what purpose? That's all trolls and propagandists do.

I welcome a true challenge to my thinking and mindset, I will readily accept when I'm wrong. Whenever I run into two conflicting ideas, I immediately try to resolve it. Propagandists and trolls waste your time doing this, by lying to you. It didn't take me long to realize @Donald was lying to me, but I spent time finding out if he was lying to me. This didn't change my thinking, my opinion, or make me think I was erroneous - and it didn't change his stated fake bullshit "belief" either. A complete waste of time for both of us.

The problem with trolls, bullshitters, and propagandists is that it takes 1/100th the time to misdirect you, than it takes you to find out you've certainly been misdirected. Their purpose is to waste your time. That's all they fucking do. They have ZERO interest in thinking.

NuttBoxer says

We don't need to ban pro-covid shot speech

In the face of overwhelming levels of misinformation from media and government about the safety of the jab, there needs to be some place people can go to avoid the vax trolls and honestly discuss the clear and very large dangers.

What if I think it's worth the risk, like riding a motorcycle or surfing winter waves, or scuba diving in Carmel?

I experienced no effects after my Moderna shots, except sensitive at the shot spot on my arm, like being punched by an irate Karen.

Last night 3 other people I was talking with said they didn't want it: a guy over 60 Jamaican, a guy from West Palm in his 30s and a girl from Riviera beach in her 20s. The girl must take the shot as a work requirement.

clambo says

I experienced no effects after my Moderna shots,

Yet.

What happens if the virus in the wild starts killing millions of vaxxed?

The vax is not about protecting people. The vax might not kill millions. It's about population control.

"Show me your papers!"

Patrick says

NuttBoxer says

We don't need to ban pro-covid shot speech

In the face of overwhelming levels of misinformation from media and government about the safety of the jab, there needs to be some place people can go to avoid the vax trolls and honestly discuss the clear and very large dangers.

At first I agreed with your stance because I'm pretty fed up with the bullshit vax tyranny. I'm also for free speech and there are only 2 blogs I go to on a regular basis...pat.net being one of them. You're running a GREAT site Patrick. I applaud you and all your efforts. Free speech is worth defending. Please think about your decision.

Onvacation says

The vax is not about protecting people. The vax might not kill millions. It's about population control.

This. And a site like this can potentially inform people of their delusion. I'd allow pro-vaxxers because they're ultimately wrong from the word go. There are a few exceptions, but Covid won't kill you. There are a few people that should get the vax in all honesty. It might help to prolong their life an extra year or so before they ultimately will get covid. It's a new flu strain. No biggie.

So as OV says, this is more of a mind/population control game. We need to defeat it in anyway possible and discussing with people here on Patnet is one small avenue to do so. I don't know how many lurk and never post, but I know a lot come here and read this shit. Converting even 5 people is of value. We can't do that if we don't discuss it and ban it.

I say let the pro-vaxxers post and we discuss/argue our points. The pro-vaxxers are not on solid ground at all. Just ask anyone would they take something not approved by the FDA, with no animal trials. People don't understand or know about this. The news sure as shit isn't reporting. So I say let the pro-vaxxers be and we can just put them in their place...

WookieMan says

I say let the pro-vaxxers post and we discuss/argue our points. The pro-vaxxers are not on solid ground at all. Just ask anyone would they take something not approved by the FDA, with no animal trials. People don't understand or know about this. The news sure as shit isn't reporting. So I say let the pro-vaxxers be and we can just put them in their place...

Yep. If you start censoring vaxxers it could be cause for the vaxxers censoring Patrick.net.

clambo says

What if I think it's worth the risk, like riding a motorcycle or surfing winter waves, or scuba diving in Carmel?

You absolutely have that right.

What if I want to say it’s fun and worth the trouble?
“Try it, you’ll like it”

Did you know that patients in the hospital can decline food and water? I've worked with a few like that in our VA Hospice. Typically older veterans who want to pass away peacefully.

I've been "poked." Twice. I'm sure my mandatory flu shot is coming up in a few months. I also have to wear full PPE. I work with patients.

And another thing, it's FUN to refute idiots spouting propaganda. I can't do that in real life.

Seems like most people want this site to stay as free speech as possible. I agree with that, but then we have to deal with the dishonest trolls. Is there some middle ground? Like only honest arguments/discussions allowed about vaccines? There has never been a more relevant topic to discuss, and never has such a topic been so life or death for people. Tempers and emotions are bound to run high. Personally I feel that the “jab” is poison and people who submit to it are ending their own lives prematurely. I believe that the entire Plandemic was set up to promote these mRNA vaccines (and those alone) and the reasons for doing so are entirely sinister. I’m not sure if it’s a population sterilizing event or if the globalists are planning to pull a massive trigger that kills off billions who’ve been vaxxed. Either way it’s bad shit and these people promoting it are the evilest people alive.