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I would have been considered by most to be "a leftist" in 2002.

I was disgusted that George W. Bush was OBVIOUSLY lying us into a war in Iraq, he was putting on Goldman Sachs people into his administration, Halliburton went from an oil exploration company to a group of mercenaries, the entire right was lying about weapons of mass destruction, everything about the right was BULLSHIT back then.

Meanwhile, trivial, unimportant bullshit things like gay marriage, flag burning, school prayer, even abortion (sorry for those that feel strongly about it) was ALL that was talked about as being "issues". None of them are issues.

The United States violated the GENEVA CONVENTIONS to start a war in Iraq. When I say our government are Nazis, I'm not exaggerating. Patriot Act spies on us all, our communications were entirely infiltrated. EVERYTHING you write on the Internet is archived, because it's easy and cheap to archive it.

But Obama was no better, he may have been worse.

What finally got me to abandon ANY LEVEL of my "leftism" is when a Neocon cunt like Hillary Clinton was run for the president. A fucking mass murdering asshole, every bit as bad as Obama or Bush was "the choice of the left". And she was running against a carnival barker, that AT LEAST criticized the Iraq War and pointed out these wars in the Middle East are worthless.

But I'm not a conservative.

However, I have ZERO trust in our establishment. Our news media is propaganda, our intelligence agencies are just criminals, our DOJ is entirely corrupt and implements a two tiered justice system. Democrats haven't done anything useful in my lifetime. Government is just a criminal syndicate.

The "left" promises positive change but never deliver. The "right" promises to remove bad policies and programs, but they never deliver. Both parties are totally corrupt, and work against the behalf of 99.9% of the population.

I agree with rickwicks on everything about the Bush era.

But I want to add in my own two cents.

When I first joined this forum, I was lambasted by at least 2/3s of the forum for banging hoes and not being into dating, esp in a Femi-Nazi society like the USA. But I fought back and told 'em to go fuck themselves.

One goober, Bigsby, actually accused me of being a teenager, impersonating an adult, as a way of gaslighting my posts esp when I questioned him about how many 15 year olds knew X, Y, & Z about Applied Chemistry. Of course, being an idiot, he said I simply "looked it up" as if a teenager knows about the context of advanced undergrad topics.

Today, after the Femi-Nazis launched their 1 million bitch march in Boston and NYC in Jan 2017 (in protest of a legitimate election result) and basically started a leftist leaning society where if you're into "treatments and preventative care", that somehow, someway, you're a disciple of Donald J Trump.

Please, does the above even make sense to anyone? Seriously, when did vitamins have anything to do with the Don?

As a consequence, given the fact that the above statement is in fact akin to a teenager's meager intelligence (Bigsby, here's to you dumbass), I've launched a one man crusade against Covid and how to treat it with stuff found in vitamin stores and I've actually influenced via word of mouth ... over a 100 persons already because my first dozen have contacted others to spread the word, nevermind the ppl on this forum.

Yes, this was all done in stealth, outside of FB, Twitter, and the rest of the monitored social media.

This isn't the same country I was born into and in which I grew up. I'm the son of immigrants, who came to this country because their own countries had gone to or were shit. It seems there is no place to go / no place to hide. The shit comes for us all. Keep the powder dry - other than that?

The big one for me was 2005 NOLA was a disaster, despite the billions allocated to "Homeland Security". Almost no NG resources were available, I remember the OH NG having to muster and drive for 2-3 days. I had this exact thought "All this money, and we are utterly unprepared for an expected and not unusual Gulf Hurricane Strike, nevermind some never before seen potential terrorist chemical attack"

Heckuva Job, Brownie!

I remembered Magic Lantern and all the Clinton Era bullshit from the late 90s. Throughout the Bush Regime I noticed there were no shits given about Visa Overstays, Mass Immigration, etc. including some very obviously bad characters. Back then, Jihadis and Leftist Anti-Americans were given the red carpet welcome to visit or stay and spread bullshit.

Reading and Listening to Colonel Hackworth as well.

Then Obama came, and BEFORE he took office, I saw that all his tough talk on banking was bullshit. Way back in the first year or his first term, I remember driving into one of those West Coast Coffee Kiosk places, hearing the Obammunist talk about Nationalizing Healthcare right after the greatest Wall Street Crisis since at least 1929.

That's when it clicked for me, that he was a stooge of the NWO, not some Leftist I hoped to use to bring back Glass-Steagal.

It was all downhill from there. Thanks Alex Jones, John Birch, David Horowitz, and Art Bell!

stereotomy says

This isn't the same country I was born into and in which I grew up. I'm the son of immigrants, who came to this country because their own countries had gone to or were shit. It seems there is no place to go / no place to hide. The shit comes for us all. Keep the powder dry - other than that?

@stereotomy The thing to do imho is to keep speaking to everyone you know, and in public to those you don't. Be polite, but no never give up and never shut up.

Keep talking. Tell the truth even though they don't want to hear it. Tell it because they don't want to hear it.

This is the most moral thing to do, and your calm implacable persistence will make an impression.

Patrick says

What would make them lose their trust in the lies?

Consider Seth Rich's parents. Their choice is believing their son was killed in a robbery, or be forced to accept he was murdered by Dem minions for passing on those files. To believe Seth was murdered, the parents would have to accept that the Dem party they had devoted their lives to had done criminal acts foul enough for equally devout Seth to feel he had to expose it. The parents would also have to believe the Dems would murder their son, and their son was a traitor. Much easier on the psyche to believe a robbery where Seth was killed but nothing was actually taken. The parents even did a press conference to push the robbery explanation and absolve Hillary. Or, shudder to think, the parents knew what happened but think Seth was a traitor who got what he deserved,

richwicks says

But I'm not a conservative.

Perhaps you're a libertarian?

Or is it one of those "The only true religion is mine" parties.

HeadSet says

Patrick says

What would make them lose their trust in the lies?

Consider Seth Rich's parents. Their choice is believing their son was killed in a robbery, or be forced to accept he was murdered by Dem minions for passing on those files. To believe Seth was murdered, the parents would have to accept that the Dem party they had devoted their lives to had done criminal acts foul enough for equally devout Seth to feel he had to expose it. The parents would also have to believe the Dems would murder their son, and their son was a traitor. Much easier on the psyche to believe a robbery where Seth was killed but nothing was actually taken. The parents even did a press conference to push the robbery explanation and absolve Hillary. Or, shudder to think, the parents knew what happened but think Seth was a traitor who got what he deserved,

Yep, it's very. very hard to admit being incorrect about fundamental things.

Onvacation says

richwicks says

But I'm not a conservative.

Perhaps you're a libertarian?

Or is it one of those "The only true religion is mine" parties.

No. Classifications are used to pigeonhole you. It's a way to enforce a conformity that can be controlled.

No ideology works. What's even worse is if you assign yourself to a group which has a constantly changing ideology. The "left" was strictly anti-war and freedom of speech just 30 years ago.

In a libertarian system there's this crazy idea of "natural law" you "can't violates somebody's rights" - well who the fuck is going to stop me? If you're a business competitor and I calculate it's to my long term benefit to have you murdered - who is going to stop me? There's no police in a libertarian system.

The truth is EVERY system is a libertarian system, just like every economic system is an Austrian economic system. They aren't really systems, they are the basic foundations of law and economic systems. In Austrian economics, it may be illegal to have a black market - who cares? There will still be an economic need. In a communist system it might be illegal to murder a political opponent, but if there's enough incentive and low enough risk, it's going to be done anyhow. Same as in a republic, or a dictatorship.

I've seen Left-wingers go Right wing, but I've never seen the reverse except in rare cases when someone leaves oppressive religion and swings the pendulum too far the other way.

Patrick says

So our first small step toward doubt is easy: we simply allow ourselves to suspect that the institutions which progressives trust are fallible in the same way.

Patrick says

To be a progressive, you have to have trust, because you believe that your worldview accurately reflects the real world—

In other words the religion of progressivism has many true believers.

And there are also true believers of various progressive sects such as the anthropomorphic climate change Cult, Covidianism, the origin of life and the entire universe through “natural” processes cult, humanism, communism and so many other progressive faiths. They have been fooled into believing lies and half truths. It’s not hard to fool people when you mix in a little truth with a lie.

What is hard, yea perhaps the hardest thing, is convincing those who have been fooled that they have been fooled.

porkchopexpress says

I've seen Left-wingers go Right wing, but I've never seen the reverse except in rare cases when someone leaves oppressive religion and swings the pendulum too far the other way.

I’ve only seen Republican to Dem, never a true conservative to liberal.

From Lenny Dykstra's feed:
https://twitter.com/LennyDykstra/status/1449938997174734851



He said "Except for maybe Noah"

FuckTheMainstreamMedia says

I’ve only seen Republican to Dem, never a true conservative to liberal.

Republican to Democrat is like, I dunno, moving from wrong to incorrect.

HunterTits says

Patrick says

to drive down wages for the benefit of the oligarchy.

Someone should tell Joe that. Because he's trying to raise wages by paying ppl to not work or work as much.

Lol, good point.

I wonder when the business owners are going to get tired of Biden driving up wages.

richwicks says

Onvacation says

richwicks says

But I'm not a conservative.

Perhaps you're a libertarian?

Or is it one of those "The only true religion is mine" parties.

No. Classifications are used to pigeonhole you. It's a way to enforce a conformity that can be controlled.

No ideology works. What's even worse is if you assign yourself to a group which has a constantly changing ideology. The "left" was strictly anti-war and freedom of speech just 30 years ago.

In a libertarian system there's this crazy idea of "natural law" you "can't violates somebody's rights" - well who the fuck is going to stop me? If you're a business competitor and I calculate it's to my long term benefit to have you murdered - who is going to stop me? There's no police in a libertarian system.

The truth is EVERY system...

If you want to run for an office you usually have choose a party, but rarely independents make it as well. There's nothing wrong with aligning yourself with a party, it's a platform that is closest to you and that gives people a chance to get closer to you fast, and of course it's a big source of funding. That doesn't mean you have to toe the party line, as long as you follow your conscience and speak truth you're good. When the party starts trying to corrupt you too hard, you leave.

mell says

There's nothing wrong with aligning yourself with a party

Yes there is.

You're endorsing EVERYTHING the party does. I don't want anybody to ever think I approve of all the senseless stupid wars that Bush started. I don't want to anybody to think I approve of any of the senseless murders Obama did. I don't want people to think I approve of LGBTQ crap in schools, or what is (laughably) called "progressivism".

Both parties are horrible. I only joined the Republican party to cast a primary vote for Ron Paul, then they cancelled the vote when he was going to win in 2008.

Both parties are scum.

richwicks says

You're endorsing EVERYTHING the party does.

This does seem to be true.

I looked into signing up to become a Republican precinct captain or whatever it is, and what put me off it was the demand that I support every Republican candidate for office, every time.

Loyalty should be to principles and not to parties.

Patrick says

richwicks says

You're endorsing EVERYTHING the party does.

This does seem to be true.

I looked into signing up to become a Republican precinct captain or whatever it is, and what put me off it was the demand that I support every Republican candidate for office, every time.

Loyalty should be to principles and not to parties.

This is not true. They can demand whatever they want, you're only beholden to your conscience and the Constitution. I agree that both parties are suboptimal, but the Republican party is light-years better than the leftoids right now, even if you account for all the rings, there are plenty, say 100 of ok or even decent politicians in that party. The dems may have a handful. For example Youngkin is infinitely better than McAuliffe, I can say that without being a fan of youngkin.

mell says

I agree that both parties are suboptimal, but the Republican party is light-years better than the leftoids right now, even if you account for all the rings, there are plenty, say 100 of ok or even decent politicians in that party.

They will just have another purge.

It's not hard to look better when your competition is horrific.

The Democratic party looked decent after George W. Bush lied us into a war in Iraq. Obama would have been the next fucking FDR if he just passed medicare for all, ended these goddamned wars (like he promised to), and dumped a bunch of money into education and infrastructure.

Instead, he was just George W. Bush in blackface after a diction class.

If the Democratic party just did SOMETHING useful in Obomba's 8 miserable years, they would have run the country for the next 2 decades.

There's no difference between the parties. One plays good cop for a few years, then it reverses. Always they lead you to the impression "well, we would have done what we promised, but the government is just too split!" - ALWAYS they do this.

Trump came in, and tried to do PRECISELY what the Republicans have been claiming (falsely) that they intended to do. It wasn't democrats that prevented the Mexican/US wall from being built, it was Republicans. The Senate and House majority were BOTH Republican in 2016.

There's ONE party. Just 1.

99.9% of the people who are allowed to run, just blindly take orders. Why is Lori Lightfoot such a piece of shit anyhow? Because that's what she's told to be. That's all there is to it.

porkchopexpress says

I've seen Left-wingers go Right wing

Yes, that is called "growing up." When a person leaves behind his adolescent attitude and sees the world through adult eyes.

https://tobyrogers.substack.com/p/a-progressive-guide-to-ending-the?source=patrick.net

A Progressive Guide to Ending the Coronavirus Pandemic

Toby Rogers

I spend a lot of my time yelling at my former progressive comrades hoping that they will come to their senses. But it also occurs to me that I speak the language and I could just explain how progressives should be responding to this crisis — if they were still progressive. And then they can chose to uphold their purported values or confess that they’ve embraced a new ideology. Regardless of where you are on the political spectrum, I believe that the points below about framing are useful and important.

Background

George Lakoff, a cognitive linguist at UC Berkeley, is the intellectual godfather of progressive messaging. Lakoff’s books, Moral Politics, Metaphors We Live By, and Don’t Think of an Elephant are the sacred texts of progressive framing and are read and used by nearly all Democratic political strategists. I took a class in graduate school from Dr. Lakoff and I use his work a lot in designing messaging campaigns.

The guy is a genius who just happens to be wrong about the most important issue in the world right now — the safety and effectiveness of vaccines. We’ll return to that in a moment.

What is framing?

Lakoff’s key insight is that “understanding is inherently metaphorical. We process complex ideas in terms of other, simpler, more primal experiences (spatial and tactile sensations, pictures, basic family relations).” Choosing the most advantageous metaphor to describe a problem and its solutions is the art of framing.

Four principles of proper framing

1. Every word evokes a frame.

So for example, arguments are often described in terms of war. Choosing that metaphor will lead one to think of attacks and defenses, winners and losers, domination and surrender.

Her criticisms were right on target.
I shot down all of his arguments.
He exploited the vulnerabilities in their defenses.

But there is nothing inherent in arguing that leads us to liken it to war. It’s just a metaphor that people use to understand it. But “imagine a culture where an argument is viewed as a dance, the participants are seen as performers, and the goal is to perform in a balanced and aesthetically pleasing way.” (Metaphors We Live By, p. 5).

2: Words defined within a frame evoke the frame.

In the example above, the words target, shot down, and vulnerabilities all evoke the war metaphor.

3. Negating a frame evokes the frame.

This is the most important rule of all. Every time you try to debunk your opponent’s frame you just end up evoking it which activates the neurological circuits associated with that frame in people’s minds. So it is always better to reframe and go on offense.

4. Evoking a frame reinforces that frame.

“Every frame is realized in the brain by neural circuitry. Every time a neural circuit is activated, it is strengthened.” At the most fundamental level, messaging is an attempt to literally build certain neural pathways in the brain. As Lakoff writes,

Framing is the process of choosing words and phrases to communicate an idea in a way that invokes certain metaphorical associations and rules out others. Frames set the vocabulary and metaphors through which an issue can be comprehended and discussed. By consistently invoking a resonant frame, the framing party sets the terms of the debate, shapes the perceptions of the issue, and provides a narrative for possible solutions.

Two Primary Frames in Politics: Nurturant Parent Model vs. Strict Father Model

Lakoff argues that most of us think metaphorically of the nation as family.

But what kind of family?

Progressives and conservatives think differently:

Progressives tend to invoke a nurturant parent frame.

The nurturant parent model is gender-neutral and envisions a family where both parents are equally responsible for raising the children.

“The assumption is that children are born good and can be made better.

The world can be made a better place, and our job is to work on that.

The parents’ job is to nurture their children and to raise their children to be nurturers of others.”

Children develop best through their positive relationships to others. The obedience of children comes out of their love and respect for their parents, not out of the fear of punishment.

If you empathize with your child, you will provide protection. This comes into politics in many ways. What do you protect your child from? Crime and drugs, certainly. You also protect your child from cars without seat belts, pollution, lead paint, pesticides in food, unscrupulous businessmen, and so on. So progressive politics focuses on environmental protection, worker protection, consumer protection, etc. —Don’t Think of An Elephant, p.12.

Okay, cool, let’s apply that to the vaccine debate

This is where it all falls apart. Lakoff is on record as supporting Pharma fascism — because (this is what I see at least) he’s never read a vaccine safety study in his life and has absolutely no idea what he is talking about. But if we lived in a sane world, the progressive response to vaccines would look like this:

✅ Nurturant parents do NOT allow felons to perform genetic experiments on their kids.

✅ Nurturant parents do NOT allow regulators who are captured by industry to make decisions about their family’s health.

✅ Nurturant parents do NOT allow school officials to deprive their children of oxygen and require toxic injections as a conditions of school entry.

✅ Nurturant parents do NOT gaslight other parents for their medical decisions.

✅ Nurturant parents do NOT get their medical information from news sources that are captured by industry.

✅ Nurturant parents have a responsibility to read vaccine safety inserts and vaccine safety studies for themselves.

✅ Nurturant parents have a responsibility to read the Nuremberg Code and understand the reasons why “The voluntary consent of the human subject is absolutely essential.”

✅ Nurturant parents have a responsibility to listen to the mothers and fathers of vaccine-injured children and learn from their experience.

✅ Nurturant parents have a responsibility to engage in critical thinking and unbiased due diligence and have realized that independent doctors understand prevention and treatment of Covid better than captured regulators.

✅ Nurturant parents have a responsibility to oppose show-me-your-papers and vaccine passports because they do not want their children to grow up in a fascist country.

See that’s not difficult. If progressives were still progressives they would be fighting Pharma fascism with every cell in their body. Some are, but most are not.

The takeaway

Here’s the very real problem and I’m not sure what to do about it — there is no such thing as progressivism anymore. It has evaporated over the last two years. It’s now a memory carried by the elders but it does not exist in the real world anymore. Pharma started pumping out the propaganda and the 24/7/365 fear campaign and progressivism switched instantly to fascism. Adherents of the ideology became robots, embraced censorship and cancel culture, and mindlessly repeat and obey the diktats of Pharma. So I write this article as a bedside whisper to a friend who is in a coma hoping that the remembrance of the old ways might help him to wake up.

richwicks says

I only joined the Republican party to cast a primary vote for Ron Paul, then they cancelled the vote when he was going to win in 2008.

@richwicks, are you able to explain what, exactly, happened to Ron Paul when he was about to win? I've never seen an explanation I understood.

"Progressives tend to invoke a nurturant parent frame.

The nurturant parent model is gender-neutral and envisions a family where both parents are equally responsible for raising the children."

The progressive value baloney farm starts here and goes into the weeds forthwith. The idea of framing segued into the imposition of value judgments that, as usual, appear altruistic but are subversive of gender roles and family. I think they would call this in law assuming facts not in evidence.

The nurturant parent model is NOT gender-neutral. Sex roles and duties need to be clearly specified. Mom is Mom. Dad is Dad. They are not interchangeable neuters.

So, Lakoff is, as one might expect from an academic progressive, a propaganda sleight of hand shill. I wouldn't call it framing, I would call it political re-labeling under penalty of duress i.e. fake altruism disguising the iron hand of mandated reconstruction and revision based on destruction of intuitive value systems.

https://spectatorworld.com/topic/joe-rogan-neil-young-risk-being-unreasonable/?source=patrick.net

The young left is becoming even more rigid than the old. David Leonhardt of the New York Times noted that according to Kaiser Family Foundation data, “young Democrats are more worried about getting sick from Covid than old Democrats, even though the science says the opposite should be true.” He extends too much credit in assuming they actually care about “science.” Science is a process for obtaining and refining information about the natural world. Sensibly applied, it should tell you things like you don’t have to wear masks outdoors, or that children ought to be in school since the risk to them is much lower than to adults. Applied as a civic religion, it leads to huddling into confined plywood boxes on the sidewalks of restaurants so as to avoid the risk of being inside.

Leftists just hate themselves, and extrapolate that to society. Since they are too ugly, inside or out or both, they have to have faith in the Blank Slate, and that Human Nature can be changed by Social Engineering. Thus the frumpy pear-shaped ugly chick might land the hunk, if the hunk can be raised to value knowledge of Teenage Vampire Romance more than T&A or Cooking Skills. Likewise for the Soyboy feminist; the Hot Chick will see his shining lights and his deep understanding of the world gleaned from watching Anime.

Different than modern liberals, though they share kind of an arrogant, hyperrational attitude. Modern Liberals have too much of the Feminine. Leftists are just Toxic fucks.

Traditional liberals are fearful of the stupidity humans can get up to with too much power.

https://amgreatness.com/2022/02/19/america-is-not-divided-its-being-hijacked/?source=patrick.net

We are not really that divided. We just get that impression because of the media control by the left.

Patrick says

We are not really that divided. We just get that impression because of the media control by the left.

Exactly!

If all the criminals in power were exposed and prosecuted and the... Never mind. I am too cynical to go any further with this fantasy.

A dear friend (vaxxed and boosted) who is captured by the narrative put it in words, "Why should I give up on the media I have trusted my entire life and listen to some conspiracy theorist on the internet?".

Patrick says

We are not really that divided. We just get that impression because of the media control by the left

Patrick,
Talk to educated yet idiot class and you'll think otherwise.

WineHorror1 says

richwicks says

I only joined the Republican party to cast a primary vote for Ron Paul, then they cancelled the vote when he was going to win in 2008.

@richwicks, are you able to explain what, exactly, happened to Ron Paul when he was about to win? I've never seen an explanation I understood.

@WineHorror1 - he was about to win the San Francisco straw poll. I had a terrible dinner that cost $35, listened to Fred Thompson explain why he should be nominated for 30 minutes, and after that, a HORDE of Ron Paul supporters walked in (dinner wasn't mandatory to vote), and the vote was simply cancelled. That was in 2008.

Nothing "happened to Ron Paul", but it was very very clear that in the primaries, the candidates aren't picked by individual supporters. They are picked by the parties.

Ron Paul was well regarded because he was fairly consistent about talking about the disaster of US "interventions". George W. Bush was PROPERLY despised for lying this nation into a war. Paul had run as a libertarian before, he is reasonable, and he's pretty honest for a politician. He dominated all online polls. He was like a proto-Trump.

Trump was wealthy, didn't need to accept bribes, and could tell nearly anybody to go fuck themselves. He seemed like, perhaps, he was so narcissistic, that perhaps, he just wanted to go down in history as somebody that fixed or at least improved the country. There's been nobody like that since Reagan and he didn't have money, and he was shot in his first term. George H. Bush really ran the nation for most of Reagan's term.

We live under a criminal syndicate. That's the reality. Democracy and Republic - that's all bullshit.

in 2008 I was 36. I still had some belief in the system. I was still naive back then. What happened was somewhat shocking to me, but what was really shocking to me is that despite dozens of people recording this, nothing came of it. I saw the aftermath, and it was clear even back then that Google didn't allow free speech, and "viral videos" were selected, and not actually reflecting what people sought out.

Patrick says

https://amgreatness.com/2022/02/19/america-is-not-divided-its-being-hijacked/?source=patrick.net

We are not really that divided. We just get that impression because of the media control by the left.

Yes, the media has an outsized influence over society.

richwicks says

the candidates aren't picked by individual supporters. They are picked by the parties.

@Richwicks

That brings up a logical question..."How/why, then, was Trump allowed to get the nomination"?

richwicks says

Ron Paul supporters walked in (dinner wasn't mandatory to vote), and the vote was simply cancelled. That was in 2008.

He was redistricted out of his safe R district in TX. R's in TX made it swing district to get rid of him. Strange until you undsrstand that it is uniparty

WineHorror1 says

richwicks says

the candidates aren't picked by individual supporters. They are picked by the parties.

@Richwicks

That brings up a logical question..."How/why, then, was Trump allowed to get the nomination"?

Two possibilities I can think of:

1) he figured out the system AND had backing to go up against it. I don't think it's possible he worked alone in this case.
2) he was controlled opposition.

I'm doubtful with #2 simply because his presidency destroyed the credibility of our propaganda. Our "news" media is now widely regarded for what it actually is, obvious propaganda.

You must know how deeply cynical I am, but I still have some hope for #2.

Bd6r says

richwicks says

Ron Paul supporters walked in (dinner wasn't mandatory to vote), and the vote was simply cancelled. That was in 2008.

He was redistricted out of his safe R district in TX. R's in TX made it swing district to get rid of him. Strange until you understand that it is uniparty

I suspected it back in the mid 1990's, but I was certain of it when Pelosi said that "impeachment is off the table" for George W. Bush. He should have been impeached. Obama should have been as well for creating 2 more wars.

Scum runs our government. None of the conflicts in the last 20 years has benefited the United States and its people in any way. Just a few individuals and companies. Our government creates war to benefit corporations now and it might be logical to consider a corporation as a mafia at this point.

richwicks says

Just a few individuals and companies

Oligarchy
All new is well forgotten old