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I’m interested, please keep us posted.

.>I'll keep you posted if anyone finds this interesting....

Yes, please do. The beginnings of 'lip service' parallel social structures. When the government has become the lowest common denominator of deception, you deceive back.

I can see it with the crumbling mask mandate at the gym.

joshuatrio says

So ultimately, it seems like nothing really exists and the mandate is loosely enforced, and it's all political theatre, with the Biden administration trying to get the company/contractor to enforce an illegal action.

This is pretty much it. Not a lawyer, but it's 100% not enforceable. Even with legislation, you cannot force someone to put something in their body. This whole deal has clearly crossed the threshold of retardation at this point. Sad part is likely half of anyone you know wants you forced to get the jab.

joshuatrio says

I'll keep you posted if anyone finds this interesting....

Very interested. However, I suspect that it might make a difference exactly where you work, meaning directly at a federal agency in their office, or someplace else.

Ceffer says

Yes, please do. The beginnings of 'lip service' parallel social structures. When the government has become the lowest common denominator of deception, you deceive back.

I can see it with the crumbling mask mandate at the gym.

Not trying to decieve, just trying to see how this shit actually plays out.

What state are you in? I haven't seen anyone in a mask in my gym since.... Ever.


zzyzzx says

joshuatrio says

I'll keep you posted if anyone finds this interesting....

Very interested. However, I suspect that it might make a difference exactly where you work, meaning directly at a federal agency in their office, or someplace else.

It's a super niche skillset, so I pretty much told them the least amount of $$ I would take and that it had to be 100% remote since they wanted me within an hours drive of Virginia with several days a week on site.

They caved and got the contract to allow 100% remote with ZERO travel.

Again, no vaxx anything.

They have to process paperwork and bump up my clearance again so I should know more in 6-8 weeks.

Again, if they push the vaxx across contracting realms, they are hosed and the entire govt will become inoperable. Most contractors are based and I know a lot who have left already or are just fine because the contracting company won't enforce it.

On a lesser scale than you are describing Joshua, the government entity I work for is running into many of those same issues…it’s implemented policy it can’t actually enforce and also faces terminating so many employees that it will cease to function if it actually goes through with threatened action.

It’s already delayed said actions multiple times so we will see. I suspect they are waiting to see what happens with lawsuits from other agencies so this whole stupid threat could be hanging over employees heads for a long time..

joshuatrio says

They have to process paperwork and bump up my clearance again so I should know more in 6-8 weeks.

Secret Clearance? That's as high as you can go and work from home, as far as I can tell. Yeah I wonder if I should be doing that for slightly less money and no commute.

joshuatrio says

Again, if they push the vaxx across contracting realms, they are hosed and the entire govt will become inoperable. Most contractors are based and I know a lot who have left already or are just fine because the contracting company won't enforce it.

This has been a hot topic on the home front for me. Wife caved and just got the Pfizer jabs. She can't and doesn't lie, so she got the jabs as clients and colleagues were asking daily if she got it. I'm not sure why other people want to know my medical history if you've been vaccinated yourself? I supposedly won't harm you unvaccinated myself.

Whatever. Logic has gone out the window on this. Get vaccinated if you want to. If I die from covid unvaccinated that was my choice. The hospital will make a bunch of money off caring for me, the funeral home, the cemetery, etc. We're losing more production and GDP from lockdowns over people dying from Covid. Again, logic is so bass ackwards right now.

zzyzzx says

joshuatrio says

They have to process paperwork and bump up my clearance again so I should know more in 6-8 weeks.

Secret Clearance? That's as high as you can go and work from home, as far as I can tell. Yeah I wonder if I should be doing that for slightly less money and no commute.

I have a DoD TS, but they need a clearance sponsored by a different agency, so there is a reinvestigation required again. Not sure what the equivalent is but likely Secret.

joshuatrio says

I have a DoD TS, but they need a clearance sponsored by a different agency, so there is a reinvestigation required again. Not sure what the equivalent is but likely Secret.

The most you are likely to make with a Secret clearance work from home deal is probably 150K, unless I am doing it wrong.

zzyzzx says

joshuatrio says

I have a DoD TS, but they need a clearance sponsored by a different agency, so there is a reinvestigation required again. Not sure what the equivalent is but likely Secret.

The most you are likely to make with a Secret clearance work from home deal is probably 150K, unless I am doing it wrong.

Working from home making $150k ain't a bad gig. Cars, gas, maintenance, parking and insurance are expensive. Could be $10-15K depending on size of car and you're generally paying that after tax.

Also, if you're not expected to be available 9-5 and can work on your own terms there's value to that as well as long as you get the work done. My one buddy won't work for 2-3 days and then does marathon work sessions coding for 2-3 days and that it. Sometimes it's nice to have more days off and pump out 12-16 hour days if the timing is right.

WookieMan says

Working from home making $150k ain't a bad gig

It's not. But for that type of job you typically have to be in the DC area even if WFH. If I want to get a WFH gig in preparation to leave the area, I'd have to get something else that pays less.

zzyzzx says

WookieMan says

Working from home making $150k ain't a bad gig

It's not. But for that type of job you typically have to be in the DC area even if WFH. If I want to get a WFH gig in preparation to leave the area, I'd have to get something else that pays less.

If you're a skilled and seasoned tech engineer you can make more than that WFH in most areas. Sure it has its drawbacks of bleeding work into private life and people at home expecting you to "help" then out all the time since you're at home anyways, but it beats the office grind. I mean back then it was great, you'd hit the downtown office, coffee shops and meet chicks left and right and worked hard, partied hard and banged hard. But then leftism happened, every office is now a sjw/hr minefield, you have to use pronouns from outer space, chicks have gotten uglier and fatter by the day, karen's reprimand you for not wearing a face diaper and the dirty govt goons trying to force the jab on you at each turn. I feel bad for the youth of today, but you get what you vote for and don't protest against. I'll never go back to the office again. And, if we can't effect meaningful change, we'll tell the kids to go have fun elsewhere in the world, plenty of better places at this point than the US (of course also plenty worse).

zzyzzx says

joshuatrio says

I have a DoD TS, but they need a clearance sponsored by a different agency, so there is a reinvestigation required again. Not sure what the equivalent is but likely Secret.

The most you are likely to make with a Secret clearance work from home deal is probably 150K, unless I am doing it wrong.

Nope. Spot on.

I have a few friends making 180-250k with partial telework, but they have to show up on site to work in some of the more sensitive areas. They are also up near DC.

WookieMan says

Also, if you're not expected to be available 9-5 and can work on your own terms there's value to that as well as long as you get the work done. My one buddy won't work for 2-3 days and then does marathon work sessions coding for 2-3 days and that it. Sometimes it's nice to have more days off and pump out 12-16 hour days if the timing is right.

That's generally what I do. Plow through a ton of stuff, then chillax for several days.

I did the same thing in office when I worked on site. Got old trying to pretend to be busy though.

Update: the sub contractor trying who offered me the job just called and said the prime on the contract needs my vax status.

I told them it was a HIPAA question and they had no right to ask.

Dude was based though and was like "totally understand, we have to ask if we want to participate on this contract (them as a company)" - so their hands were tied.

So I told him I had a religious exemption and can send it over if needed.

His reply: "no one really knows what's going on honestly, and whether or not you got the shot shouldn't affect you getting this position." He also said if they make it a requirement, you'll see 1/3-1/2 the staff drop off."

Basically, if they try to force require it, they are screwed and so are hundreds of other DoD contracts.

We'll see how the prime contractor responds to my religious exemption.

joshuatrio says

Interviewed last week and got an offer today and there was ZERO talk about a vaxx, and ZERO in the paperwork requiring it.

We will see how things progress but I'm calling their bluff with only a handful of actual contractors enforcing it, which most will later rescind when they can't fill slots due to their own requirement.

I suspect the Vax is only being enforced in industries and markets with a white strong male demographic.

I'm not saying you must not be white, I'm saying the whites in your market probably kiss the BLM feet at Riots, so they aren't under systemic racist assault.

Funny in the last few months, I have not seen any black or Hispanic people moaning about losing their job due to refusing the jab.

joshuatrio says

Update: the sub contractor trying who offered me the job just called and said the prime on the contract needs my vax status.

I told them it was a HIPAA question and they had no right to ask.

Dude was based though and was like "totally understand, we have to ask if we want to participate on this contract (them as a company)" - so their hands were tied.

So I told him I had a religious exemption and can send it over if needed.

His reply: "no one really knows what's going on honestly, and whether or not you got the shot shouldn't affect you getting this position." He also said if they make it a requirement, you'll see 1/3-1/2 the staff drop off."

Basically, if they try to force require it, they are screwed and so are hundreds of other DoD contracts.

We'll see how the prime contractor responds to my religious exemption.

Hold the line.

DeBlasio is mandating it for all city workers, many are Black so we will see what happens. Over 70,000 healthcare workers in NY were fired and many healthcare workers are Black/Latino. Frontline workers are being fired left and right. I think it's more that the media refuses to show any workers reacting so that the Left doesn't have to be called out for racism.

Funny in the last few months, I have not seen any black or Hispanic people moaning about losing their job due to refusing the jab.

WineHorror1 says

joshuatrio says

Update: the sub contractor trying who offered me the job just called and said the prime on the contract needs my vax status.

I told them it was a HIPAA question and they had no right to ask.

Dude was based though and was like "totally understand, we have to ask if we want to participate on this contract (them as a company)" - so their hands were tied.

So I told him I had a religious exemption and can send it over if needed.

His reply: "no one really knows what's going on honestly, and whether or not you got the shot shouldn't affect you getting this position." He also said if they make it a requirement, you'll see 1/3-1/2 the staff drop off."

Basically, if they try to force require it, they are screwed and so are hundreds of other DoD contracts.

We'll see how the prime contractor responds to my religious exemption.

Hold the line.

Dude. No line to hold.

I won't take the fucking jab. I don't want/need the job.

It's just an exercise to see if they even enforce the shit.

Every time I get a recruiter email now, I ask whether the jab is required.

I don't want or need a job at the moment, I just want to send a message.

Spoke with the recruiter again this morning. Looks like we're moving forward.

Recruiter was based, said "don't even worry about the religious exemption - no one knows what exactly is going on right now, and if they push it, companies are going to lose about half of the federal contracting workforce." He also mentioned there were a ton of lawsuits and it was a royal cluster.

He thinks if they try to push it, they'll walk it back pretty quickly at this point based on what's been going on.

Clearance paperwork gets sent out next week. Offer letter and other shit was already signed.

Tenpoundbass says

Funny in the last few months, I have not seen any black or Hispanic people moaning about losing their job due to refusing the jab.

From the anecdotes I’ve personally heard, that’s because they’re cheating. Getting relatives inside healthcare providers to get them vax cards, etc. they’re treating it like they’d treat any stupid order issued in whatever BFE country they come from. Compliance on the face of it, but in reality there’s no compliance, they’re just cheating.

I’ve had two different people offer me a hookup for just such a vaccine card.

It's all smoke and mirrors. Although shit seems kind of heavy in LA County, they are pressuring businesses by screaming "heavy fines if you don't comply"

Similar situation here. Company wanted us to rush to turn in an exemption, which was a piece of shit form. Basically asking a whole bunch of "caught ya!" questions. We all clanned up and told them we need more time. 2 wks later got another email saying if you haven't turned it in yet ( a few people did) , then just wait. As in they have no idea what they're doing. Lib city, based state.

noobster says

Lib city, based state.

What does "based" mean in this context?

@HeadSet The way I understand "based" is "based in reality".

The opposite of woke.

Patrick says

@HeadSet The way I understand "based" is "based in reality".

The opposite of woke.

Essentially, yes.

HeadSet says

noobster says

Lib city, based state.

What does "based" mean in this context?

As in wrestling ... strong foundation, strong base ...
And also from the Biblical meaning of a strong foundation
I.e.
Not weak to pressures of woke

Fyi (info that's worth what you paid for it).

I'm hearing from some contacts I have in the "group benefits/ insurance" business that health insurance companies are starting to offer HR departments the means (software based I'm assuming) to 'background check' for the veracity of vax cards.

I work for a medical device manufacturer and my job requires visiting with staff inside of hospitals - for which I have to be credentialed. My employer is graciously saying "no" to any vaccine mandate but they just made it a condition of employment that employees requiring credentialing maintain that credentialing. Guess what - all the major hospitals in my area require the COVID vaccine as part of that process. So my employer will effectively terminate me in a few weeks or months when it becomes apparent to them that I will not jab but they still get to say it's not because of the vaccine. Clever lawyers they have.

It burns my ass to watch the fixed site employees, some of whom have yet to return to the office due to their "feels", dodge this requirement as well knowing full well they are screwing all of us productive people in the field that pay their salaries.

Keep in mind that if you either get a vax or get a fake card, your legal ability to be exempt under religious reasons pretty much vanishes. And the religious one is super easy to do. Make a statement of belief, keep it free of any talk about politics or science, and make it clear that your beliefs preclude you from complying. They have to accept it. If they don’t, you have a clear cut case under Title 7 of the EEOC.

stfu says

I'm hearing from some contacts I have in the "group benefits/ insurance" business that health insurance companies are starting to offer HR departments the means (software based I'm assuming) to 'background check' for the veracity of vax cards.

How? There is no central database even in CA, let alone federal.

There is for California and some other states, you put in the email or phone no. you gave them and you can download a QR code that shows your name, dates, and vax brand.
myvaccinerecord dot cdph dot ca dot gov/

You need email or phone to get the record, and if someone else made the appointment and used their contact info, you wouldn’t be able to see your record. So, maybe someone with your same name would be in the database but hey you have no idea what contact info was used since your Fiverr remote assistant made the appt. then vanished. They cannot TRULY verify, as no solidly identifying info was recorded to get the shot, and human error could play a role. They did not seem ready to instigate the digital passport, if that was the goal. No one can guarantee that Bud’s Pop-up Drivethrough or whatever got your name in there correctly, espec. if you did it without sending your name ahead of time. And fixing that could be hard or impossible.

The paper cards don’t show which state you got jabbed in. Some show the CVS/other chain store number.

Even if a state has no database the jabbee can access, the state may have something like that or will.

Now, perhaps FL, TX, MT, could (or did?) make those databases inaccessible to the Stasi if they wanted? If The People lobbied for it? Health info should be private.

One of the cards the CDC posted as a dummy and was being shared a lot has a bit of formatting slightly different from the later ones that were used. So that could be a smoking gun in terms of verifying,

Many other countries seem to be all QR code-based but I don’t know about all of them.

Blackberry is working on digital passport stuff.

Someone here needs to create and market a card-verifying app!

Thanks @Booger

I posted that to employeemandates@unite.standupcalifornia.com

I think they will enjoy it.

Nothing new. Filled out some clearance paperwork. Should be having to jump through more hoops in the next few weeks.

They expect it to take 9-12 weeks to go through.

To be continued.

HumanDartboard says

Many other countries seem to be all QR code-based but I don’t know about all of them.

Zee Germans were putting coof vaxx info into these yellow UN vaccination books.

My employer (fed contractor) has also given me the ultimatum.

I'm considering applying for a religious exemption. Any tips? Or, any resources I should read that may help me?

Part of me wants to skip the exemption, as I fear if there's ever a future lawsuit that I may participate in, they may investigate my religious exemption claim in an effort to discredit me. But, I feel like that's unlikely, and the exemption's benefits will likely outweigh it's cons.

I don't mind if they fire me. I don't need the job, and wouldn't mind some time off work. But I suppose I would rather keep working remote for now, if I can.

Whatever you do, don't quit.

If they fire you, their unemployment insurance goes up and you can sue later for millions.

I think a religious exemption is a bit dishonest if you don't really believe it. The right exemption is one based on human rights.

Hircus says

My employer (fed contractor) has also given me the ultimatum.

I'm considering applying for a religious exemption. Any tips? Or, any resources I should read that may help me?

Part of me wants to skip the exemption, as I fear if there's ever a future lawsuit that I may participate in, they may investigate my religious exemption claim in an effort to discredit me. But, I feel like that's unlikely, and the exemption's benefits will likely outweigh it's cons.

I don't mind if they fire me. I don't need the job, and wouldn't mind some time off work. But I suppose I would rather keep working remote for now, if I can.

Look up title 7, I bet it applies in your case, too.

For instance
https://www.cbp.gov/faqs/what-religion-under-title-vii

Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 protects all aspects of religious observance and practice as well as belief and defines religion very broadly for purposes of determining what the law covers. For purposes of Title VII, religion includes not only traditional, organized religions, such as Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Hinduism, and Buddhism, but also religious beliefs that are new, uncommon, not part of a formal church or sect, only subscribed to by a small number of people, or that seem illogical or unreasonable to others. An employee’s belief or practice can be “religious” under Title VII even if the employee is affiliated with a religious group that does not espouse or recognize that individual’s belief or practice, or if few – or no – other people adhere to it. Title VII’s protections also extend to those who are discriminated against or need accommodation because they profess no religious beliefs.

Religious beliefs include theistic beliefs (i.e. those that include a belief in God) as well as non-theistic “moral or ethical beliefs as to what is right and wrong which are sincerely held with the strength of traditional religious views.” Although courts generally resolve doubts about particular beliefs in favor of finding that they are religious, beliefs are not protected merely because they are strongly held. Rather, religion typically concerns “ultimate ideas” about “life, purpose, and death.” Social, political, or economic philosophies, as well as mere personal preferences, are not “religious” beliefs protected by Title VII.

Religious observances or practices include, for example, attending worship services, praying, wearing religious garb or symbols, displaying religious objects, adhering to certain dietary rules, proselytizing or other forms of religious expression, or refraining from certain activities. Whether a practice is religious depends on the employee’s motivation. The same practice might be engaged in by one person for religious reasons and by another person for purely secular reasons (e.g., dietary restrictions, tattoos, etc.).