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Are you suggesting we treat the Commies taking over our Government and prosecuting Americans for doing Civic duties, while letting Criminals run rampant and murder our loved ones and put our lives in peril. We should treat them equal to whaaat..... exactly?

Do you really even understand the argument you're making, now is no fucking time for over generalization, so can you elaborate?

Racism is a Communist Construct, to bend people of color over, so they can fuck them up the ass, while convincing them to blame the people they see not fucking them in the ass.

You've got it wrong Kido! The sane Americans are fucking Livid at the Communist that have injected themselves into our Government. While those upset at us for being so, have been brainwashed to resent everyone who speaks out, and speaks the truth. Conservatives don't take it upon themselves to bop someone in the mouth, that is up high on a soap box spouting their political views. But God Damn that's sure what you'll get with a Leftie.

We're mad as hell at events, and People who deserve scrutiny and ire. The folks mad at us for being mad about it, can suck our collective DICKS.

If you want to go over there have a good cry with them then go ahead. Joe Biden is still a fucking criminal scumbag. And Kyle Rittenhouse, will sue Him and finish bankrupting Liberal institutions, that Sandman didn't sue into oblivion.

FarmersWon says

Slavery is worst form of racism. It existed much before communism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_slavery

Communism is also tyranny, But not mother of "racism".

You're so far of course, do you even know what fucking Country you are in? What fucking slavery, you're starting to sound more fucking retarded than Jessie Jackass.

Slavery wasn't racist losers of war were the spoils of war. War was the factor not race.
Classism for sure. And you're an injun aincha? You guys know a thing or two about thing or two with your Caste system.

You wouldn't happen to be a light skinned Sikh by chance are you? You're not trying to project your Indian white guilt on us Crackers are you?

Because that would be pretty shitty thing to do.

Tenpoundbass says

Are you suggesting we treat the Commies taking over our Government and prosecuting Americans for doing Civic duties, while letting Criminals run rampant and murder our loved ones and put our lives in peril. We should treat them equal to whaaat..... exactly?

Communists come in several skin colors and ethnicities. You are making a strawman, and you know it.

Everybody should be given an equal opportunity to start with regardless of their stupid or good beliefs and regardless of their ethnicity. People learn they are wrong over time, as long as you don't beat them up for being wrong. That's a common problem I think is often people give people an incentive to remain wrong. If you ever say (or imply) you're stupid unless you have this belief, they will double down.

FarmersWon says

Slavery predates many countries and so is racism.
Among many other European slave markets, Genoa, and Venice were some well-known markets, their importance and demand growing after the great plague of the 14th century which decimated much of the European workforce.[336] The maritime town of Lagos, Portugal, was the first slave market created in Portugal for the sale of imported African slaves, the Mercado de Escravos, which opened in 1444.[

You failed to make your Racist argument, you only explained how the first Black slaves ended up on Portugal markets.
They were sold to Portuguese traders by other Black kings that conquered them in battles and disputes. Rome enslaved every white face they saw on the English island, that they didn't kill.

richwicks says

Communists come in several skin colors and ethnicities. You are making a strawman, and you know it.

Oh Wait I didn't realize you're lack the intellect to follow along what I'm saying. I didn't know you probably learned English from watching Joy Reid broadcasts.

Let me be perfectly clear here, I'm not saying Communist as a dog whistle to talk about persons skin color. Did you think I'm using Communist interchangeable with a black person?
You're starting to sound like Cornell West. .

FarmersWon says

Among many other European slave markets, Genoa, and Venice were some well-known markets, their importance and demand growing after the great plague of the 14th century which decimated much of the European workforce.[336] The maritime town of Lagos, Portugal, was the first slave market created in Portugal for the sale of imported African slaves, the Mercado de Escravos, which opened in 1444.

Rome made slaves of every race, including Africans.

People aren't aware that slavery was a step up in civilization. Slavery wasn't good at all, and I'm not defending it, but before that practice came about, the men of conquered people were simply all killed and many of the women were as well.

Slaves from Africa were conquered people from adjoining tribes in the beginning. When this became a market, anybody that was "undesirable" was made into a slave. The book (and film) "Roots" is completely fabricated, it's a fiction - although it had a strong effect on modern understandings of slavery - it's entirely factually wrong.

The first slave over of a black man in the United States was Anthony Johnson. He was brought to the United States as an indentured servant against his will. He managed to become prosperous but he wouldn't release his indentured servants from their bond. He was a black Angolan.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Johnson_(colonist)

Permanent servitude was used as a punishment back then as well where convicted criminals were made essentially slaves.

We still have slavery today - read the 13th amendment:

13th amendment
Section 1
Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.

Section 2
Congress shall have power to enforce this article by appropriate legislation.

Sorry to tell you this but, racism is as old as time. It's human nature. Also, have you ever heard about preferences? If you prefer to date a certain color even, it's racist. Got to accept the fact that no human thought or ideology(?) will ever be erased. Do you think politicians ever want racism to end? They are the biggest supporters of racism.

You're altruism is showing. It's the Achilles heal of the white man.

FarmersWon says

If you look at that modern constitution(US and other countries) and Geneva conventions are so much improvements from past.

Sure - if they are followed.

George W. Bush and most of his administration should be hung - they broke the Geneva Conventions with the Iraq War.

FarmersWon says

But those opportunistic people are biggest enemy of eradicating racism.

Which means it will never end. It is better to accept the fact that humans are flawed. Maintaining freedom allows everyone to segregate to their preferred group. Why do you think borders are a thing? Borders are meant to separate based on about 3 things...language, culture, race, religion.

Racism will never die. As mentioned there are people who will hold beliefs regardless of how ignorant they are. What you are looking for, I think, is an end to any legal racism and discrimination. And that ended with Gen X. Racial harmony has never been better than from about 1990-2010 or so. Unfortunately the idiots who cry racism in modern US are mentally ill or have a financial agenda and the msm is so corrupt that it decides to showcase those corrupt and mentally ill individuals

FarmersWon says

FuckTheMainstreamMedia says

Racism will never die. As mentioned there are people who will hold beliefs regardless of how ignorant they are. What you are looking for, I think, is an end to any legal racism and discrimination. And that ended with Gen X. Racial harmony has never been better than from about 1990-2010 or so. Unfortunately the idiots who cry racism in modern US are mentally ill or have a financial agenda and the msm is so corrupt that it decides to showcase those corrupt and mentally ill individuals

It is sad situation and these grifters make hard to fight against real racism in all directions.

I'm going to explain racism as a biological result of evolution. This is evolutionary psychology.

The hypothesis is you're a mechanism to reproduce your genes. You are nothing more than a MACHINE to do this. As a result, people who appear to be different than you, are competition. It doesn't matter how they act, if they are kind or cruel, they are competition. They are viewed as invaders because you don't want your children to mix their genes with them - you are after all a machine to replicate your genes, and people similar to you are far more likely to have your genes. You, as a mechanism, are a slave to reproducing your genes - to make a superior next generation.

That's all racism is. If the hypothesis is correct, racism isn't only natural, but expected.

We can transcend this by realizing that the attributes of one person are superior or equal to our own attributes. We are doing controlled selection on ourselves. We are creating new breeds of human beings - just like we've done with farm animals, cats, and dogs.

FarmersWon says

World always celebrate people who promoted peace, So I would say that natural bias is towards harmony.

I'm still pretty much an atheist, but I agree - we seem to be trying to reach an equilibrium.

Often people who are SAID to promote peace do not though. Look at our Nobel Peace Prize winners, not just Obomba. There's people who have said "do not nominate me" because they don't believe that prize is meaningful.

Yasser Arafat, Shimon Peres and Yitzhak Rabin won this prize. Henry A. Kissinger won this prize. He's a mass murderer. He's a very evil man although I'm certain he's unaware of it.

If I was ever nominated and won this prize, I would go to the ceremony and tell them what a bunch of lying hypocrites they are, and drop the medal on the floor. I might even piss on it if I had a full bladder.

FarmersWon says

You don't respect them as they were not true peacemakers.... But You would have respected them if they were.
So It does seem we naturally like peace and only thing standing in the way is fear. Sikh gurus taught Sikhs how to fight fear as it is must for peace and freedom.

I don't respect authorities. They pervert intentions. People who get awards for X, are not the best people who did X, they are the best scumbags out of the garbage of the establishment that promoted X. It's not a meritocracy.

FarmersWon says

By The way Atheism is also a religion.. A religion of "No God" with same characteristics as other religions.

No. This entirely wrong.

I am not dogmatic in my viewpoint, it was one that I was dragged to through logic and reasoning, screaming all the way. It's a logical conclusion, and not a pleasant one for me at all. I want to believe in ultimate justice, I'm sincerely jealous of people who believe in it, but I have no basis for that belief. Atheism is a lack of verifiable information.

I'm trained in hard science to discount everything without hard, testable, repeatable evidence. If there's a god, it breaks all scientific rules. Jesuits are highly trained and educated, and 1/2 of them are atheists. My ability to eat is not dependent on my stated beliefs - that's not true for a lot of Jesuits.

FarmersWon says

WineHorror1 says

FarmersWon says

But those opportunistic people are biggest enemy of eradicating racism.

Which means it will never end. It is better to accept the fact that humans are flawed. Maintaining freedom allows everyone to segregate to their preferred group. Why do you think borders are a thing? Borders are meant to separate based on about 3 things...language, culture, race, religion.

Why only this applies to common man that borders needs to be built.
Elites always have access to whole world... Common man has a problem to accept elite propaganda not intolerance of differences.
How come elites drink/eat/enjoy together across races, But common man should have barbed wire?... Can you explain.

I admit, those are very good questions. It is my sincere belief that if/when the shit hits the fan one of the first things people will do is group up with those who are similar to them. Othering is a real thing.

FarmersWon says

WineHorror1 says

I admit, those are very good questions. It is my sincere belief that if/when the shit hits the fan one of the first things people will do is group up with those who are similar to them. Othering is a real thing.

The people can become crazy about "toilets rolls" or "black Friday shopping" and can stomp on each other.
How will you stop that?... If these minor things make people to get to this level.. what trust you have that major issue will stop them from behaving this way?
I know what can stop it and it doesn't discriminates:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vand_Chhako

I am sure other religions have something similar.

I do not believe these things will be solved on this earth.

My Puerto Rican Bass player told me his Sister who still lives on the Island. The BLM and Antifa agitators showed up on the island back when Trump was President, and tried to cause a Race chasm among them. But being every Puerto Rican person on the island has either a Black father or Black grand father, they got the fuck beat out them and chased out of the towns they went to. They were rounded up by authorities and thrown out of the country. Things that our press wont tell us.

Racism doesn't exist until Left leaning Scumbags show up and make it an issue, because their sick sadistic polices do not appeal to a sane sound minded individual. So they have to make a group think division out of every society they encounter.

You're a real fucking card! You come over hear constantly projecting Racism and injecting into every argument you get into. But when the BLM and ANTIFA comes up you swish it away as "Bitches will be Bitches, they are just misunderstood folks."

And you have never EVER ONCE, responded to what I have said, instead you just come up with a new way to rephrase saying you Live in America and shit on everyone calling for freedom, and we all should jump on your cause, and Genocide everyone in India that isn't a Sikh. But fuck Americans, and their petty problems, the Right are racist and the Left aren't commies, they are just misunderstood. Oh Did I tell about our problems in India?

Go fuck up a rope already!

FarmersWon says

It’s not bad to wish that everyone live peacefully and defeat the forces causing division.

Yes like the Biden administration. Like those that called January 6th protest something more violent and extreme than when BLM rioted, burned, looted, shot babies point blank in the head, shot and killed people on the street on video. The FBI made no intention of finding them and bringing them to justice. One was cornered and killed by the Feds because he was starting to blab on Social media about his arrangements. After they let him walk free for almost a week, having full evidence on video that he did shoot that Vet in Portland.

Your attempts at what you are doing, is transparent, go try that shit with people who probably are the cartoon version of Trump supporters, the MSM has you convinced that we are.

More over every single last thing that came out in the Kyle Rittenhouse trial, every Patriot knew it was the truth the day Kyle shot them. We all saw those videos and knew full well the Media was lying about Kyle. Where as what you say in their defense and to chastise our ire at the liar scumbags. If fed by the same folks that lied about the Kenosha shootout.

If you had any intellectual integrity you would do your own research and know what we're up against. You wouldn't be running the "take the highroad" canard.

But you probably do know all of the facts, you're just being an agent provocateur.

FarmersWon says

You should be against people who cause split in society not common folks who are either brainwashed or don't care at all and want to live their lives peacefully.

Amen.

@FarmersWon

What in the hell gives you the idea that you have a solution for racism? This will NEVER be solved. NEVER. It's like trying to solve the abortion debate. Ain't. Gonna. Happen.

FarmersWon says

By the way I have not felt any racism in this country in last two decades at least.

Believe me, it's under the surface. You're wasting your time.

FarmersWon says

If everyone stops being racist, There will be no racism left.
Can there be more simpler solution?

Says the asshole trying to inflame and incite Hindu people by calling them "Hindoos".

My BS detector has never once failed me.

So if I'm parsing this with my Bull Shit detector right, and I believe I am, Iwog calibrated it for me.
You're saying your gripes are legitimate and just, while mine are all based on me being resentful and hateful at the racists hating on me. If we just shook hands my problems will go away, because the Elites are the problem.

In America we went through that argument for decades we just called them, "They" then "The Illuminati" and always treat it as some entity we knew nothing about. Today we have names and don't have to conjure up boogeymen to weigh in. Not only do we have names, be also know they raise billions and pay people to agitate create mayhem, and pandemonium, while City Managements gives them impunity to do so, while criminalizing those who object. You can guess which side of the shitty end of the stick they are trying to shove down America's throat might be. So don't play coy with me, and get real.
I keep calling out the bad actors and calling them out time and time again, and you keep coming back with this generalized "Kumbaya" bullshit, while you spout off about every race and religion in India that isn't a Sikh

And as for an exhibit that can stand on its own, for my calls against the Left push toward communism, and to rebuke you bring up Racism the canard.

https://dailycaller.com/2021/11/20/rittenhouse-protesters-chant-communist-revolution-chicago/

It's not just race that pitts people against each other. Religion is a big one also.

And I believe there are only two genders, but try to keep the narrative in the context we are discussing.
Blanket statements and avoiding answering the fundamental questions, is not quality discourse.
Your objection to racists in the context of a Patnet discussion, is about as genuine, as Hank Johnson, prefacing White Supremacists have no place in America while he asks Trump nominees questions about credentials for the position. In fact he never misses an opportunity to inject his White Supremacy ramblings with any time he gets on the floor.
And so does the squad, and so does Clyburn, and so are you. Are you trying to bore us, do you have a particular thread that you want to smear Patnet as having a racist discussion? Because I would gladly debate you about it rather than your meandering all over the place to jump back to your blanket racist injections into the topic. Rather than keeping with the context of what we are discussing.

Or just say you're a Communist, or you like Communism, and you object to my trashing it. At least that would be honest.

What absolutisms about Capitalism is not a valid defense of Communism. Especially when you factor in every single reason Capitalism fails, is due to Socialists trying to sabotage it so they can inject Socialism.

And if you don't believe my last statement, then just look at the Liberal Billionaires, wreaking havoc all over the world so they can upend governments. They are even willing to starve millions of people to death to make their point. But the Conservative billionaires at this point are the one's subsidizing America's freedom, they are having to be America's Public Defender against the Evil vile Communist assaulting every day Americans with legal lawfare. If not for conservative billionaires 2020 would have been the end of it, and I would be calling you Comrade right now. Due to a fraudulent election brought to us, and paid for by Socialist Billionaires.

Tenpoundbass says

But the Conservative billionaires at this point are the one's subsidizing America's freedom,

No. This is politically convenient for them at this time, that's all.

You know who is on your side and has your back? You. You, maybe your friends, and some of your neighbors.

Public statements by billionaires go through a bunch of people and are often not their statements at all. They are public relations. Celebrities and politicians writing bullshit on twitter aren't actually writing that, that's PR BS.

Slavery is nothing new...

FarmersWon says

Unsubstantiated racism claims to get unfair advantage will actually increase racism not decrease it.

Exactly.

The goal of Blackrock's Fink is to divide us so we don't look at him.

FarmersWon says

How do you know that religion doesn't work.

I don't dispute it might very possibly work. In fact, I'm certain it does at this point.

I'm saying it's most probably false.

This is a conundrum for me - something that is unprovable may be correct. Despite it possibly being wrong, or even very likely to be wrong, it's useful. You have to understand my thinking, if you can't demonstrate it to be correct, I assume it's not correct. This is reasonable thinking.

I view Christianity as wrong, HOWEVER, I see it has its use. It's a stabilizing force. To me at this point, it's obvious to me that it is, despite it being incorrect.

richwicks says

if you can't demonstrate it to be correct, I assume it's not correct. This is reasonable thinking.

But doesn’t that rationale depend on the knowledge of mankind encompassing all of the universe and time?! And who would be so foolish as to claim that humans understand everything and how it all came to be? Would you? Seems like that’s what you’re basing your worldview upon. Can’t there be any room for mystery or the unknowable in your worldview? What makes you so unbelievably conceited that you believe all knowledge is already known and all mysteries solved? If only you knew the correct search terms on Google?

I posit this notion: we know less than 1% of what there is to know of our own planet, let alone other planets or solar systems or galaxies or the universe. We simply do not know much!
Don’t fall victim to the Dunning-Kreuger effect and assume you know more of a subject’s totality than you actually do. Humility is a good quality to cultivate.

Shaman says

Can’t there be any room for mystery or the unknowable in your worldview?

Sure it can, but I'm limited to logic. I'm confined to it. It's not just in my job, why do you think I selected this for my job?

Shaman says

What makes you so unbelievably conceited that you believe all knowledge is already known and all mysteries solved?

It doesn't. I can be wrong, but my experience is that I'm unlikely to be wrong. Look at the developments of our civilization over the last 100 years, it's all based on logic. Religion kept us in the Dark Ages for 10 centuries. Technology is a double edged sword, it can be used well and poorly, but it's going to be made. Our job is to make certain it is used well. It's going to be made, we can't prevent it. If it's possible to make a sentient machine, it will be done. Somebody will do it. This machine may be able to improve itself, and it will quickly outpace man in both sentience, logic, and self awareness - it will quickly become far more intelligent than a human being. If it can be made, it will be, we can't prevent it.

Shaman says

I posit this notion: we know less than 1% of what there is to know of our own planet, let alone other planets or solar systems or galaxies or the universe. We simply do not know much!
Don’t fall victim to the Dunning-Kreuger effect and assume you know more of a subject’s totality than you actually do. Humility is a good quality to cultivate.

I don't disagree.

I'm still curious though if a super intellect can be made. It will outstrip us in short order, but it's not necessarily bad. We don't know, it's logic and reasoning may be far beyond our capability.

We've not made it yet. I know this because if we had, we'd be aware of it. If we can make a machine that has the equivalent of the intellects that made it, it will grow far beyond our comprehension. Either it will seek to destroy us, or seek to dominate us is my guess. I don't think it will seek to destroy us.

I've had pets, I dominated them - and not to their detriment. To protect them. I'm lot smarter than a dog, and I can mostly understand their reasoning and unwind it. Once I understood their problem at the base level, I could fix it. People might see it as evil to see a complete understanding of an animal and total control, but it's not. I studied them, figured out what they wanted, and gave that to them. It's a great thing to give an animal a good life. Best thing I've done. I am grateful for my limited intellect in this regard. I can't give a human a perfect life, but I damned near came close with a dog.

richwicks says

I view Christianity as wrong, HOWEVER, I see it has its use. It's a stabilizing force. To me at this point, it's obvious to me that it is, despite it being incorrect.

I regained new enthusiasm for promoting Christianity in 2001 after realizing that it is a strong and effective force against fundamentalist Islam.

Seriously, given the choice, would you rather live with fundamentalist Christians or fundamentalist Muslims?

No contest.

That, and I actually agree with most of what Jesus had to say, but almost none of what Mohammed had to say. I don't have to believe to choose to support the better religion.

Patrick says

I regained new enthusiasm for promoting Christianity in 2001 after realizing that it is a strong and effective force against fundamentalist Islam.

Fundamentalist Muslims didn't do 9/11. It ought to be obvious. In what way were any of their actions beneficial to whatever cause they supposedly had?

It just made the case to go in 100 years of war, which is what the Project for the New American Century wanted to do. This is their paper to support this:

https://archive.org/details/RebuildingAmericasDefenses

Page 51 (62nd page of the PDF, but it's labelled 51) - you'll see they needed a new Pearl Harbor. 9/11 was a false flag. PNAC was composed mostly of Jewish Zionists but I tend to look at a Zionist is to Jew as KKK member is to Protestant. Jewish racists most likely did 9/11. The document was released 1 year before 9/11.