patrick.net

There is no good side, this is Realpolitik trumping the International Rules Based order Bullshit, enforced by a Hyperpower who is $30T in debt, maybe a third or half of it due to that.

We could have still been the Untouchable Big Cheese if our companies weren't allowed to outsource to China like mad in the 90s, and we adopted more drilling and nuclear power.

It's of absolute critical necessity that Europe re-arm, and if they don't, we leave it.

NuttBoxer says

despite guaranteeing Russia at the end of WWII that they would never extend beyond Germany?

I am not aware of that, link would be helpful.
NuttBoxer says

Ukraine never fulfilling the treaty they agreed to, recognizing the Donbas region?

Not aware of that either.
NuttBoxer says

What about Ukrainian Nazi's bombing civilians in Donbass, including two schools, in an ongoing war against ethnic Russians in Ukraine for the past eight years?

Leader of these Ukrainian Nazis is an ethnic Russian from Crimea, and at least initially most of Donbaa battalion fighters were Russian speakers. I dont think you have too good of an information.
BTW I am no fan of Taliban, but it was their land that was attacked. Same with Ukrainians now.

The Russians are doing such a pathetic job "invading" Ukraine which makes me wonder if this was so badly planned or if the military is sabotaging themselves since nobody besides this fucktard Putin wants this war?

Save_Ukraine says

The Russians are doing such a pathetic job "invading" Ukraine which makes me wonder if this was so badly planned or if the military is sabotaging themselves since nobody besides this fucktard Putin wants this war?

Most of money allocated to military was stolen. Russian leaders thought that Ukrainian army will fold because Nazis, and that did not happen.

Bd6r says

I am not aware of that, link would be helpful.

Again, in the sources I've already provided, and I didn't post many. But here's one more, although this is not from WWII:
https://alethonews.com/2022/02/18/document-confirms-us-told-russia-nato-wont-expand/?source=patrick.net

Bd6r says

Not aware of that either.

The Minsk agreement. Wow, I knew about this one within a few days of this escalation in February. Kind of a main reason Russia gave for their actions. Whatever varied sources your reading, you need to get some new ones.

Bd6r says

Leader of these Ukrainian Nazis is an ethnic Russian from Crimea, and at least initially most of Donbaa battalion fighters were Russian speakers. I dont think you have too good of an information.

You seriously believe a Russian would be racist against other Russians? How the fuck do you rationalize that? Your way off here, seems like the prospect of supporting racists really bothers you:
https://rinf.com/alt-news/editorials/crimes-against-humanity-ukraine-president-poroshenko-keeps-his-word-weve-bombed-the-schools-donbass-children-dont-go-to-school/?source=patrick.net

And here's where we really separate. I have not problem calling Putin what he is, and the Russian what they are. But you have been given two opportunities to denounce the US, NATO, and the Ukraine for their part in this war, and you haven't. So bullshit on your peace loving outlook. You have no problem with war as long as it fits your worldview. That's why you won't denounce everyone responsible. That's why you fell for this propaganda so easily, and have never looked at anything I've posted on it, or questioned it's non-coincidental timeline with the scamdemic.

Save_Ukraine says

The Russians are doing such a pathetic job "invading" Ukraine which makes me wonder if this was so badly planned or if the military is sabotaging themselves since nobody besides this fucktard Putin wants this war?

That's cartoonish, like you're in a movie, and there's an obvious bad guys everything gets blamed on. Betting you cheered Iraq too.

Bd6r says

Most of money allocated to military was stolen. Russian leaders thought that Ukrainian army will fold because Nazis, and that did not happen.

Ukraine air defense and air-fields were completely eliminated in the first few hours. You don't try to arm untrained civilians and beg for money and guns if you still have a military. Propaganda doesn't hold up well to scrutiny, that's why you have to go balls deep if you're gonna push, otherwise it will fall apart, and you'll quickly denounce it.

Btw, I talked to a former co-worker today, a former Russian citizen who is largely of Ukrainian origin.

He does not know why Putin decided to invade. He says that they already had borders with NATO countries, for example Poland.

He brought up the possibility that Putin may just be acting his part in globalist theater being put on for us all.

NuttBoxer says

Save_Ukraine says

The Russians are doing such a pathetic job "invading" Ukraine which makes me wonder if this was so badly planned or if the military is sabotaging themselves since nobody besides this fucktard Putin wants this war?

That's cartoonish, like you're in a movie, and there's an obvious bad guys everything gets blamed on. Betting you cheered Iraq too.

Whats cartoonish? That Russia's invasion army demonstrates a pathetic performance or that Russians soldiers dont want this war and maybe sabotage this cluster fuck?

The russian people dont want this war. The kids being sent to war were told they are liberators and will be welcomed. Most of them dont want to kill civilians and a long drawn war with their neighbors/relatives/friends.

There is clearly only one bad guy here, fucktard Putin.

So funny to think that people still think that modern day Russia = WW2 Soviet style military steamroller (with massive help from the US), when if they bothered to look at Russia's long term military history it's a record of relatively poor performance.

Breaking: Russia offers immediate stop of military operations for Donbass and Ukraine neutrality.

Patrick says

Btw, I talked to a former co-worker today, a Russian national who is largely of Ukrainian origin.

He does not know why Putin decided to invade. He says that they already had borders with NATO countries, for example Poland.

He brought up the possibility that Putin may just be acting his part in globalist theater being put on for us all.

yep, it's strange, I haven't heard from a single one who is ready to defend this "brutal aggression" for the Zelinsky govt - again anecdotal but there goes the msm narrative. Some keep doing their daily lives and work and insist they're safe/fine. Kiev has been pretty quiet as well - hopefully they can fix this with some diplomacy and we everyone will be safe and we can leave the scamdemic and this aggressive shit behind us.

Save_Ukraine says

There is clearly only one bad guy here, fucktard Putin.

So are you saying Zelensky is right to censor while Russia is wrong to censor?

https://www.dw.com/en/ukraine-zelenskiy-bans-three-opposition-tv-stations/a-56438505?source=patrick.net

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/morgan-stanley-sees-russia-set-161814422.html?source=patrick.net

Morgan Stanley Says Russia’s Set for Venezuela-Style Default

Patrick says

Save_Ukraine says

There is clearly only one bad guy here, fucktard Putin.

So are you saying Zelensky is right to censor while Russia is wrong to censor?

https://www.dw.com/en/ukraine-zelenskiy-bans-three-opposition-tv-stations/a-56438505?source=patrick.net

I am not saying anything about censoring. I couldnt care less about censoring.

I care about russian kids ("soldiers") being forced into a war to kill innocent civilians in a foreign country. The russian people dont want their children to kill innocent ukrainian kids/women/men. I am pretty sure the russian people are not changing their mind if they learn Zelensky has censored a TV channel. or two, of 20 channels.

Save_Ukraine says

I couldnt care less about censoring.

You should care about censoring if you care who the bad guy is. Censorship is a mark of a bad guy for sure.

And you should care about Ukrainian kids being thrown at Russians in a suicide mission to save a profoundly corrupt oligarchy.

Basically, you are asking people to die to protect the power of Ihor Kolomoyskyi, not for Ukraine.

https://dailyexpose.uk/2022/03/04/rise-of-zelensky-from-comedian-to-president/?source=patrick.net

Russia is simply stealing bullet points from our DoD presentations and saying that the Ukrainian military is simply hiding behind its civilians.

The typical Ukrainian has absolutely nothing to fight for (GDP per capita is about $3k per YEAR).

Western and Ukrainian leadership don't want their people to hear that.

Patrick says

And you should care about Ukrainian kids being thrown at Russians in a suicide mission to save a profoundly corrupt oligarchy.

Basically, you are asking people to die to protect the power of Ihor Kolomoyskyi, not for Ukraine.

I care about all Ukrainians that die in this senseless war against them. Nobody besides Putin wants this war. I hope he gets assassinated.
The corruption in Ukraine and the various crooks dont concern me. There's a big difference between invading a peaceful country and shelling refugee convoys versus being corrupt and a criminal. Not even remotely on the same level for me.

I am pretty sure Russia will lose big time here. There is no way for them to actually occupy Ukraine. Shelling refugees doesnt win wars. The moral of the Russian troops is horrible as they dont even want to be there.

You tell a 19year old soldier you are going to do a maneuver at the Ukrainian border and then quickly switch the story to: nevermind, you are now crossing the border and you will be greeted with open arms by the Ukrainians who need your help......another "whoops, nevermind" now you are being told to kill innocent civilians and shell refugee convoys?

That kid's like fuck that I want to go back home. No wonder these russian kids are sabotaging their equipment. They'd rather be at home back in Russia with mom making their food. Be home play xbox with buddies or kill innocent civilians and be hated by the world? Seems like an easy choice.

If no good comes of the Russian invasion of Ukraine EXCEPT for the destruction of Hunter Biden’s secret Biological Warfare labs, that’s still enough to make Putin the HERO.
We do NOT need another man made pandemic! And it seems nakedly obvious that they were planning a whole series of them.

Patrick says

You should care about censoring if you care who the bad guy is. Censorship is a mark of a bad guy for sure.

Censorship NEVER, ever, without exception, ends well. It is always the mark of Tyranny, full stop, end of story, period.

I'm pretty sure it will not. I mean: CNN said it will and Lavrov said it won't and we all know CNN always lies and Lavrov always tells the truth.

Hitler phones Zelensky:
https://youtu.be/2EBaJDDQymg?source=patrick.net

Booger says

Hitler phones Zelensky:
https://youtu.be/2EBaJDDQymg?source=patrick.net

LOL @ "I'm tired of being compared to Putin!!!"

no one over the age of 12 or with an IQ over 90 seriously believes that the Russians are going to invade Ukraine anytime soon

-GONZALO LIRA
Feb 2023

made a meme

zzyzzx says

Random factoid: Pyrrhus (of Pyrrhic victory fame) first brought war elephants to Italy, and the Roman Legions figured out on the second encounter that they should wrap their legs in rope to bring them down.
That inspired the scene from Star Wars, but with AT-ATs as War Elephants and Snow Speeders as Roman Cavalry.

RWSGFY says

no one over the age of 12 or with an IQ over 90 seriously believes that the Russians are going to invade Ukraine anytime soon

-GONZALO LIRA
Feb 2023

2022, not 2023

And then he was assassinated by Ukrainian agents. Only to be resurrected by the divine intervention of team Lavrov.
Some here actually take this clown (Gonzalo Lira) seriously.

RWSGFY says

no one over the age of 12 or with an IQ over 90 seriously believes that the Russians are going to invade Ukraine anytime soon

Link? He may have said it. Demonstrate.

richwicks says

Link? He may have said it. Demonstrate.

He hasn't said it yet, silly. We are in the era of predictive propaganda.

mostly reader says

Some here actually take this clown (Gonzalo Lira) seriously.

Lira might be a clown but what I find remarkable is that people take

* "fact checkers"
* Facebook
* Twitter
* Youtube
* mainstream "news" "journalists"

seriously. These sites and people are blatant propaganda and just what are they telling you?

* They were telling you Hunter Biden's laptop was "Russian propaganda" 18 months ago.
* They were telling you that "Russia hacked our election" 5 years ago
* They were telling you that Qaddafi is about to "cause a humanitarian crisis" about 11 years ago.
* They were telling you that Saddam Hussein had a weapons of mass destruction program, 2 decades ago.

Other than Ukraine (and that does remain to be seen), just what have they been correct about?

Have Google banned you both?

Particularly cute is the stooge that spews propaganda as a hobby yet demands easily available proof from others.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gonzalo_Lira - here's his wiki with the exact quote.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBFMnXmG6L0&t=646s - here's a video snippet of him actually saying that.

But don't stop at the snippet. That entire video is worth watching if you want to learn about that clown (Gonzalo Lira) and then get a better understanding of folks around here who actually hold him in any esteem.

Bd6r says

My Exxon stock and value of mineral rights under farm are skyrocketing right now.

@Bd6r You are probably enjoying this as well:



https://rudy.substack.com/p/great-supine-protoplasmic-invertebrate

mostly reader says

Have Google banned you both?

Particularly cute is the stooge that spews propaganda as a hobby yet demands easily available proof from others.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gonzalo_Lira - here's his wiki with the exact quote.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBFMnXmG6L0&t=646s - here's a video snippet of him actually saying that.

But don't stop at the snippet. That entire video is worth watching if you want to learn about that clown (Gonzalo Lira) and then get a better understanding of folks around here who actually hold him in any esteem.

He said "Nobody with an IQ over 90 believes Russia will invade any time soon". That's from a Darkhorse podcast, but what you're showing in a clip from a Darkhorse podcast, not the actual one. The video was posted on Apr 27, 2022 - after the Russian invasion which began on Feb 22, 2022. Where is the original Darkhorse podcast? What date? Was it a week before? A month before, a year before?

That's not available is it?

And it's not a crime to be wrong either. People are misdirected, just as I am, just as you are.

What's important is not when people are wrong, or even lying, what is important is when they are right.

Patrick says

You are probably enjoying this as well

Yes, I do feel like a proverbial blind hen who did something right for wrong reasons

mostly reader says

RWSGFY says

no one over the age of 12 or with an IQ over 90 seriously believes that the Russians are going to invade Ukraine anytime soon

-GONZALO LIRA
Feb 2023

2022, not 2023

And then he was assassinated by Ukrainian agents. Only to be resurrected by the divine intervention of team Lavrov.
Some here actually take this clown (Gonzalo Lira) seriously.

GONZALO IS GOD!!!

RWSGFY says

no one over the age of 12 or with an IQ over 90 seriously believes that the Russians are going to invade Ukraine anytime soon

-GONZALO LIRA
Feb 2023

Show him saying this.

Maybe he did, but why do you think you're correct about what he said if you don't have the source, and why should anybody believe you unless you provide a link to him saying this?

I can prove the US overthrew Ukraine. Here's Victoria Nuland talking to Geoffrey Pyatt:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26079957

Nuland: I think Yats[Arseniy Yatseniuk] is the guy who's got the economic experience, the governing experience. He's the... what he needs is Klitsch and Tyahnybok on the outside. He needs to be talking to them four times a week, you know. I just think Klitsch going in... he's going to be at that level working for Yatseniuk, it's just not going to work.

Here's the actual intercepted phone call:

https://youtu.be/MSxaa-67yGM

So you can verify it. Notice is was posted on Feb 4, 2014 - 1 week and 4 days before Viktor Yanukovych was ousted.

See how easy it is to do this? But I, of course, know that solid evidence and absolute proof is no weapon against your delusion.

mostly reader says

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gonzalo_Lira - here's his wiki with the exact quote.

Here's the link. Perhaps you want to use archive.org?


mostly reader says

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iBFMnXmG6L0&t=646s - here's a video snippet of him actually saying that.

Original source please? This is a commentary on something Lira once said, when did he say it? 2015? I don't know. Show me the original source, not some fucking jerkoff commenting on something he once said, and won't provide the original source.

Dates are relevant.

You want to make a point, show some effort. The reason there's hyperlinks is for quick validation of data. This has been around for over 30 years. I'm tired of this bullshit, find original sources.