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Greeted like Liberators: Ukraine Invasion Thread


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2022 Feb 23, 8:30pm   435,130 views  4,251 comments

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115   Eric Holder   2022 Feb 25, 2:39pm  

AmericanKulak says
This seems genuine:

CNN Correspondent goes to Antonov Airport to interview Ukrainian soldiers after being told by Ukrainian Defense Ministry of a beaten back Russian attack there.

After arriving outside, and speaking for a few minutes to the Commander, he says "Where are the Russians now?"

The Commander says "WE are the Russians"

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10549695/CNN-reporter-catches-firefight-Russian-forces-Ukrainian-defenders-outside-Kyiv-airport.html?source=patrick.net


Geniune but old.
116   richwicks   2022 Feb 25, 2:42pm  

AmericanKulak says
The Ukrainians, at least the current leadership, is brave and worthy.


I'd disagree, but after this war is over, they will remain in power.

Russia has done this repeatedly. When forced, they go into an area, beat the fuck out of it, and leave, with some very clear understandings about what that country has to do to avoid that again.

The war will be over within a week, and within a month, the Russians will be gone, and Ukraine will no longer be asking to join NATO or the EU. EU is a mistake anyhow, any country that has joined it ended up fucking over their own population after doing it.

Russia doesn't do 20 year wars with no mission objective. I have to respect Russia for at least having a GOAL for starting a war. War sucks, but when you do it, I appreciate it when there is a clear mission objective and a set of absolute demands.

If the US went into Iraq, found out there wasn't a weapons of mass destruction program, and left and perhaps helped rebuild, I would barely bitch about it but I'd still bitch about it to some extent.
117   AmericanKulak   2022 Feb 25, 3:17pm  

richwicks says

Russia has done this repeatedly. When forced, they go into an area, beat the fuck out of it, and leave, with some very clear understandings about what that country has to do to avoid that again.


As in Georgia, under Dubya - who also didn't do very much in response.

richwicks says
I'd disagree, but after this war is over, they will remain in power.


I think Zelenskiyy is of a different type than his predecessors, being an Actor rather than an Oligarch or lifelong Politician. I find TV/Movie actors to be excellent politicians. Reagan and Trump, and I think one of the Filipino Presidents, Duarte maybe? Or I'm thinking of South America.

richwicks says
The war will be over within a week, and within a month, the Russians will be gone, and Ukraine will no longer be asking to join NATO or the EU. EU is a mistake anyhow, any country that has joined it ended up fucking over their own population after doing it.


When I saw Putins modest demands, basically what he's been asking to talk about and being snubbed as Evil Russia instead, the aims are reasonable.

What a victory for Putin (and America) means isn't in doubt, but if all goes to shit by some disastrous chain of events, we'll be in rally bad shape, whatever reflexively Cold Warriors think about it. It'll be a HUGE victory for the Globalists, won't hurt the CCP one lick, and they'll leverage that positive news to impose a whole new stage or two for neolibcon globalist NWO whatever you call it with their wind in their sails, sweeping the 2022 elections "I wanna vote for Biden, victor over Putin! Who gives a fuck if gas is $7/gal!"

The NeverTrump Skunks will be even more unbearably arrogant and stupid than ever before.
118   richwicks   2022 Feb 25, 3:18pm  

Eric Holder says
30,000 AKs have been distributed in Kyiv so far. All one needs to do to get one is show a valid Ukrainian ID.

These would be handy for greeting liberators.


For Fucks Sake.

They never claimed to be liberators. Russia can't allow encroachment of the EU and NATO against their borders any further, and this is their only request and if that demand was met, this war wouldn't have happened.

Russia will have a decisive win in short order, I'd be surprised if it goes on for more than a few days, and they'll get what they wanted in the first place. Once that's been established, Russian military will leave, and Volodymyr Zelenskyy will be living in Miami in a million dollar mansion with a suitcase full of cash.

I'm doubtful the civilians give a shit which way it goes and I doubt they're willing to risk their lives to keep Hunter Biden "working" at Burisma. This is yet another stupid pointless war that could have been avoided if people were reasonable, instead of paid to be unreasonable.
119   Bd6r   2022 Feb 25, 3:49pm  

richwicks says
Russia can give up it's only warm water port.

Fake News

Novorossysk is also warm water port, some geography knowledge is helpful usually
120   Tenpoundbass   2022 Feb 25, 3:53pm  

I've looked at all of the roadside Propaganda attractions posted in this thread, and they all have the same common mark of Bullshit on them.

!)They aren't even on the road, intersection or any important piece of infrastructure that an invading tank would surely be traveling on. They are all conveniently off to the side of the road.
2)The lack of burnt human remains is also very suspect. As charred as those interiors are, there would be crispy black burnt human figures in those transports and tanks had people been in them when they were torched. Which leads me to point number 3
3)Armored vehicles like that are build to withstand Molotov cocktails and people trying to burn them from the outside. The exterior just doesn't catch on fire and burn those inside.
There aren't any bullets on those vehicles, no shrapnel holes, no deformation, no craters near the vehicles, so we know they were NOT taken out by incendiary or explosive devices while in commission with occupants inside.

They look like they were all parked on the side of the road, doused in Gasoline inside and out, and then set ablaze.
And those so called dead liberators, are all laying face down, with what appears to be blood on the tops of their heads. Either they are bad crisis actors, and the scene was set up by morons. Or they are capturing Russian sympathizers and executing them point blank on the top of the head. The way they are set up and their injuries do not look like Combat casualties. If they were executed opposition it would explain them being laid face down and called Russian invaders, so that they couldn't be Doxed and expose the lie.
121   Tenpoundbass   2022 Feb 25, 3:57pm  

Bd6r says
richwicks says
Russia can give up it's only warm water port.

Fake News

Novorossysk is also warm water port, some geography knowledge is helpful usually


Novorossysk could be taken out with just one Mother of all Bombs dropped in the center of the Bay. The way that port is inside a very narrow cove, does not exude Naval Supremacy.
122   richwicks   2022 Feb 25, 4:22pm  

Bd6r says
richwicks says
Russia can give up it's only warm water port.

Fake News

Novorossysk is also warm water port, some geography knowledge is helpful usually


Well my mistake. I'm going to have to spend some time looking at satellite pictures I guess.
123   Eric Holder   2022 Feb 25, 4:27pm  

richwicks says
Bd6r says
richwicks says
Russia can give up it's only warm water port.

Fake News

Novorossysk is also warm water port, some geography knowledge is helpful usually


Well my mistake. I'm going to have to spend some time looking at satellite pictures I guess.


Zero knowledge of European history. Zero knowledge of European geography. But lofty opinions about everything. What a fucking joke.
124   Eric Holder   2022 Feb 25, 4:29pm  

richwicks says
They never claimed to be liberators.


Oh, noes! A misunderstanding! Why aren't they say something instead of accepting all the greetings and Polka dances?
125   Eric Holder   2022 Feb 25, 4:33pm  

richwicks says
These would be handy for greeting liberators.


For Fucks Sake.

They never claimed to be liberators.


At this point I don't even expect you to know what TASS is. I'll tell you: it's the official USSR/Russia government press agency (TASS stands for Telegraph Agency of Soviet Union - they never bothered to even change the name).

So, this is what TASS reported yesterday:

MOSCOW, February 24. /TASS/. Denazification means that Ukraine should be liberated from neo-Nazis, Kremlin Spokesman Dmitry Peskov told reporters on Thursday.

Russian President Vladimir Putin said earlier that in response to a request by the heads of the Donbass republics, he had made a decision to carry out a special military operation in order to protect the people who had been suffering from abuse and genocide by the Kiev regime.

"Ideally, Ukraine should be liberated, cleaned from neo-Nazis, from people sharing pro-Nazi sentiment and ideas," Peskov pointed out, when asked to explain remarks about the need to denazify Ukraine.


https://tass.com/politics/1409999?source=patrick.net

NOW, SIT THE FUCK DOWN AND SHUT THE FUCK UP, YOU UNINFORMED FUCKING FUCK!
126   richwicks   2022 Feb 25, 4:34pm  

Eric Holder says
richwicks says
Bd6r says
richwicks says
Russia can give up it's only warm water port.

Fake News

Novorossysk is also warm water port, some geography knowledge is helpful usually


Well my mistake. I'm going to have to spend some time looking at satellite pictures I guess.


Zero knowledge of European history. Zero knowledge of European geography. But lofty opinions about everything. What a fucking joke.


Well educate me.
127   richwicks   2022 Feb 25, 4:38pm  

Eric Holder says
So, this is what TASS reported yesterday:

MOSCOW, February 24. /TASS/. Denazification means that Ukraine should be liberated from neo-Nazis, Kremlin Spokesman Dmitry Peskov told reporters on Thursday.

Russian President Vladimir Putin said earlier that in response to a request by the heads of the Donbass republics, he had made a decision to carry out a special military operation in order to protect the people who had been suffering from abuse and genocide by the Kiev regime.

"Ideally, Ukraine should be liberated, cleaned from neo-Nazis, from people sharing pro-Nazi sentiment and ideas," Peskov pointed out, when asked to explain remarks about the need to denazify Ukraine.


https://tass.com/politics/1409999?source=patrick.net

NOW, SIT THE FUCK DOWN AND SHUT THE FUCK UP, YOU UNINFORMED FUCKING FUCK!


What?

This is just another nothing burger. NATO isn't going to do anything, Ukraine will surrender in short order when they realize their supposed allies aren't, and after Russia makes terms and conditions and is very clear about these being kept, will withdraw.

NATO is bullshit. The UN is bullshit.

In 5 years time, this will be as well remembered as the Russian invasion of Georgia.

If there's any upside to all this stupid fuckery, it will end the civil war that has been going on in Ukraine for, what, a decade?
128   Eric Holder   2022 Feb 25, 4:51pm  

richwicks says

Eric Holder says
richwicks says
These would be handy for greeting liberators.


For Fucks Sake.

They never claimed to be liberators.


At this point I don't even expect you to know what TASS is. I'll tell you: it's the official USSR/Russia government press agency (TASS stands for Telegraph Agency of Soviet Union - they never bothered to even change the name).

So, this is what TASS reported yesterday: "MOSCOW, February 24. /TASS/. Denazification means that Ukraine should be liberated from neo-Nazis, Kremlin Spokesman Dmitry Peskov told reporters on Thursday." ...

What?

This is just another nothing burger. NATO isn't going to do anything,
What is NATO has to do with the fact thay you were caugh lying about Russians "not claiming to be liberators"? Can you even have a cogent conversation without jumping around like a fucking flea on meth from one topic to another? Sheeesh. What a fucking joke.
129   Ceffer   2022 Feb 25, 4:52pm  

AmericanKulak says
If they use Ray Epps and half the Whitmer kidnappers are FBI... they're CERTAINLY making fake news/video/photos about Ukraine.

LOL!
130   Bd6r   2022 Feb 25, 5:03pm  

AmericanKulak says
Putin's loss will give the Wokies their first ever foreign policy victory in 20 years, and take total control over America for years.

@AmericanKulak,
This was not directed at me but I have had the same thoughts.

My considerations...
Let me preface by saying that US SHOULD NOT SEND ANY TROOPS TO UKRAINE. It is little if any of our business. Having said that,
Selling arms to Poland who can transfer those to UA is reasonable.
I don't like Russia/Putin and I genuinely hope Ukrainians kick their ass.
I am pleasantly surprised by Ukrainian resistance. Their army seems motivated.
If thdy win, you're right, Nulands of the world will have an orgasmic MUH DEMOCRACY GAY VALUES moment.
Do you think Ukrainian nationalists care about that?
As soon as Russian threat recedes, they will become more right wing than Poland or Orban, religious and all that. At this point they keep their mouths shut but tey are not soyboy types.
I don't think UA victory is anything but Pyrrhic victory for Nulands and Bidets. Another East European nationalists, similar to Poles.
131   richwicks   2022 Feb 25, 5:27pm  

AmericanKulak says
@Bd6r maybe hears things and @richwicks needs to chime in.


@AmericanKulak - I have to be very clear. I had a friend in Ukraine that was an expatriot, but I've not heard from him in years, and his skype account was hacked. He very well may be dead.

I'm just speculating with regard to what is going on. I expect that Russia will overwhelm Ukraine very quickly, make terms and conditions (the terms and conditions they had previous to this war), and leave.

The war was pointless. It could have been prevented. NATO is a paper tiger, Russia isn't a real threat, and mutual cooperation between Russia and Europe is mutually beneficial. NATO is pointless, and Russia isn't an enemy.

Russia will get what they wanted in the first place, the only difference is that a bunch of people got killed over it, there's been damage to infrastructure, but perhaps on the plus side it ends the civil war in Ukraine. I hope for the best, and I think I'm right to expect that, but time will tell. I hope I'm right.
132   Bd6r   2022 Feb 25, 5:42pm  

AmericanKulak says
President of Ukraine says Russians on the outskirts, seems down but grim
Biden CIA funded twitter accounts says Russians are barely inside Ukraine and getting RED DAWNED PWND by the Ukrainian Army.

@Bd6r maybe hears things

Nothing is clear as of yet. It was not a cakewalk with Ukrainians meeting them with flowers as Russians thought, but on other hand they have apparently broken through in South Ukraine. Ukrainians heavily bombed airport in Russia near Rostov. Poles transferred their AA rockets to Ukraine which also says that situation hangs in balance. Next few days will tell.
133   RC2006   2022 Feb 25, 5:46pm  

I'm hoping for the same Russia gets in and out of there quick. I am more worried they have planed this with China and China does a real grab.

It's irritating all the surprise with what Putin is doing, I think we have been expecting it after Crimea was taken during Obummer.
134   richwicks   2022 Feb 25, 5:54pm  

Bd6r says
Nothing is clear as of yet. It was not a cakewalk with Ukrainians meeting them with flowers as Russians thought,


That's what WE are told they thought.

The operation is clear, Ukraine can't join the EU or become a NATO member.

These aren't unreasonable demands, and Ukraine fighting over this, is just killing Ukrainians. This war should have never happened.
135   FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden   2022 Feb 25, 5:56pm  

AmericanKulak says
One thing is clear: ACTORS MAKE THE BEST PRESIDENTS, WORLDWIDE.

Elect more Actors.


Reagan was great actually. Rest are shitheads, even Ukrainian one.
136   Ceffer   2022 Feb 25, 5:57pm  

Maybe instead of a dragged out Golan Heights type perpetual rocket war on Donbas et alia, Putin decided to fritter away some newfound oil and gas wealth to take out as much of the military infrastructure as possible, including the biolabs and Globalist strongholds. Zelinsky seems scarcely worried, and even seems to be acting with conspiracy aforethought with Putin. He's likely a double agent.
137   Bd6r   2022 Feb 25, 6:01pm  

richwicks says
These aren't unreasonable demands, and Ukraine fighting over this, is just killing Ukrainians.

It should be up to Ukraine what they join or dont join. Russia should have little say in this
138   richwicks   2022 Feb 25, 6:11pm  

Bd6r says
richwicks says
These aren't unreasonable demands, and Ukraine fighting over this, is just killing Ukrainians.

It should be up to Ukraine what they join or dont join. Russia should have little say in this


In an ideal world, I'd agree with you, but not this world.

Russia has real security concerns after 20 years of demonizing by the west. The Skripals were NOT poisoned by the FSB or any Russian intelligence agency for example. Russia didn't hack our elections, Trump isn't a Putin puppet.

Russia doesn't trust the United States, and they are right not to trust the United States.

The encroachment of NATO on the Russian border is seen as a threat, it's not unreasonable.

If the assholes that run the United States have a FUCK about this country, they would align us with Russia, and dump their alliance with Europe. THAT would be beneficial to the United States and its people.
139   mostly reader   2022 Feb 25, 6:13pm  

richwicks says
Bd6r says
These aren't unreasonable demands, and Ukraine fighting over this, is just killing Ukrainians. This war should have never happened.
This is a "F U, propaganda troll" moment. I now have enough data to accurately classify you.
140   Shaman   2022 Feb 25, 6:18pm  

richwicks says
If the assholes that run the United States have a FUCK about this country, they would align us with Russia, and dump their alliance with Europe. THAT would be beneficial to the United States and its people.


Yup. But as it stands, the two great powers of China and Russia stand United against us.

If we could make friends with Russia it would open many doors for mutually beneficial activities and trade. We could use our knowledge to show Russia how to tap its huge natural resources.
We could build a road to Nome, Alaska, and then a bridge across the Bering Straight linking both continents by road for the very first time ever.
Think of it, you could ROAD TRIP from Caracas to Johannesburg.
141   Bd6r   2022 Feb 25, 6:19pm  

richwicks says
dump their alliance with Europe. THAT would be beneficial to the United States and its people.

How would it be beneficial? This does not make any sense whatsoever
142   richwicks   2022 Feb 25, 6:27pm  

Bd6r says
richwicks says
dump their alliance with Europe. THAT would be beneficial to the United States and its people.

How would it be beneficial? This does not make any sense whatsoever


What does Europe offer the United States?

Russia is filled with natural resources, they are a major nuclear power, and they have a well educated population.

It's psychopathic to betray Europe, but it's logical. Europe is dependent on Russian energy. Instead of making war in the Middle East and Russia to guarantee we are the only suppliers, cooperate. Although I'm not a sociopath, I can think like one. This would be the logical thing to do, HOWEVER, trust would be an issue, and neither side can trust the other.

A Russian/US cooperation imagine it - it would be the most powerful cooperation the world has ever seen. I doubt Russia or the US would give up its commitments to China, that would be required I think.
143   Bd6r   2022 Feb 25, 6:32pm  

Size of Russian economy is about same as of Italy. Why not have union with Bangladesh instead...
144   richwicks   2022 Feb 25, 6:45pm  

Bd6r says
Size of Russian economy is about same as of Italy. Why not have union with Bangladesh instead...


The measure of an economy's size is based on GDP, it's a useless metric.

If I pay you $1.00 to mow my lawn, and you pay me $1.00 to make your lunch, the GDP just went up by $2.00. It's a measure of cash exchange, that's all.

If you get cancer, and spend 1/2 million dollars trying to cure it, that's $1 million in GDP because the money you spent is spent elsewhere.
145   Bd6r   2022 Feb 25, 6:46pm  

Sure, Russia is great and important because it is great and important
146   richwicks   2022 Feb 25, 6:58pm  

Bd6r says
Sure, Russia is great and important because it is great and important


Russia is filled with natural resources. Period.

If Russia and the United States invaded Afghanistan, it would be conquered. It's filled with natural resources as well.
147   Bd6r   2022 Feb 25, 7:08pm  

richwicks says
Russia is filled with natural resources

So is Brazil and South Africa, and also by the way us.

And why would Russians "share" their resources with others?
148   Ceffer   2022 Feb 25, 7:11pm  

It does look like the false flag, fake news and disinformation chaff is out in force, so it might take some time to discern something resembling reality on the ground.
149   mostly reader   2022 Feb 25, 7:19pm  

mostly reader says
richwicks says
These aren't unreasonable demands, and Ukraine fighting over this, is just killing Ukrainians. This war should have never happened.
This is a "F U, propaganda troll" moment. I now have enough data to accurately classify you.
I probably owe a follow-up explanation to the group. I'll do it in the form of "here's one tell on how to spot propaganda trolls". Here it is:

1. Realize that propaganda trolls follow marching orders.
2. They are low-level yet organized, they have curators, the curators synchronize their activities.
3. As a group, they synchronously change topics and points. Most of the time very passionately, they would promote a point that just yesterday wasn't even on the radar.
4. Most of us follow multiple boards. If you see this behavior happen at about the same time, and in different sources, and in sync, and they promote the same point, and the personalities are already under suspicion - this is your tell.
5. Today, I observed this switch from "it's all a lie, this is not happening, photos are fake, reports are fake" to "Russia is reasonable, resistance is futile, it's just killing of Ukrainians" in more than one source.

Besides my initial point, this is good news. It means that Ukraine is holding up despite the odds, and that Russia is getting worried.
150   richwicks   2022 Feb 25, 7:19pm  

Eric Holder says
What?

This is just another nothing burger. NATO isn't going to do anything,
What is NATO has to do with the fact that you were caught lying about Russians "not claiming to be liberators"?


When did I ever claim that Russia was liberating Ukraine? You are mistaken.

I don't have emotional involvement with conflicts any more, and I know the people that start these conflicts don't. Russia has an ultimatum, it has NOTHING to do with the quality of life of the peasants of Ukraine. They are exactly like our government, although our government engages in conflicts for corporate profits, not national benefit.

Eric Holder says
Can you even have a cogent conversation without jumping around like a fucking flea on meth from one topic to another? Sheeesh. What a fucking joke.


You mean coherent, not cogent. I often made this error myself.

Do not strawman me.

You want to talk, talk, but don't waste my time trying to force me to defend a position I do not hold.
151   Bd6r   2022 Feb 25, 7:24pm  

mostly reader says
Besides my initial point, this is good news. It means that Ukraine is holding up despite the odds, and that Russia is getting worried.

There are rumors that russians want talks. This means they are not winning. Advice from Chechens - talk only about how Russians will surrender with short time frame and in ultimatum form. Otherwise russians will use talk time to regroup and recuperate.
152   richwicks   2022 Feb 25, 7:41pm  

Bd6r says
mostly reader says
Besides my initial point, this is good news. It means that Ukraine is holding up despite the odds, and that Russia is getting worried.

There are rumors that russians want talks. This means they are not winning. Advice from Chechens - talk only about how Russians will surrender with short time frame and in ultimatum form. Otherwise russians will use talk time to regroup and recuperate.


In war, all sides lie.
153   Tenpoundbass   2022 Feb 25, 7:48pm  

mostly reader says
Besides my initial point, this is good news. It means that Ukraine is holding up despite the odds, and that Russia is getting worried.


No it means like all involved have said since the beginning. That it is a Civil War between Pro NATO/EU Ukraine, vs the Russian Separatists. 50% of the country is holding up against the other 50%. If that other 50% actually had the might of Putin behind it, it would look more like every US invasion in the Gulf from Kuwait to Iraq and Afghanistan it would be nonstop pressure.
If anyone is getting worried is Zelenski the US offered him an air lift out the country. But Zelinski turned it down. If it's true Putin wants him dead, Biden Needs him dead.
He's got all of the receipts.

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2022/02/leadership-us-offered-ukrainian-president-zelensky-flight-country-save-life-refused-says-wants-stay-defend-country/?source=patrick.net


My friend who is a good guy and means well, listens to the MSM propaganda horse shit and is under the full understanding that Zelenski is in hiding cut off from escaping and Russian troops are going house to house looking for him. My guess is, those reports are bullshit, and Zelenski knows it, and the last thing he should do is get in car that the Godfather of the world's biggest and most open Crime family sent him. Especially knowing he's got the goods on the criminal thug, and they are worried he might sing.

"I'll take my chances with Pootie Poo, thanks but no thanks!"
154   Tenpoundbass   2022 Feb 25, 7:52pm  

Smiley Miley; "deploy Drag Team 6!"

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