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Greeted like Liberators: Ukraine Invasion Thread


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4119   Patrick   2024 Sep 9, 11:35am  

https://www.rt.com/news/603708-ukraine-istanbul-us-nuland/


Nuland confirms West told Zelensky to abandon peace deal

The US, UK and other backers of Ukraine told Kiev to reject the deal reached at the 2022 Istanbul peace talks with Russia, former US under secretary of state Victoria Nuland has said.

In an interview with Russian journalist Mikhail Zygar, former editor-in-chief of the liberal news channel Dozhd, which aired on Thursday, Nuland was asked to comment on reports that the peace process between Moscow and Kiev in late March and early April 2022 collapsed after then-British Prime Minister Boris Johnson traveled to Ukraine and told Vladimir Zelensky to keep fighting.
4121   FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden   2024 Sep 14, 9:30am  

The_Deplorable says




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkE2-f8lVIw

that’s one guy, plenty of polish politicians say opposite of that.
4122   Patrick   2024 Sep 15, 5:27pm  

https://bioclandestine.substack.com/p/the-origins-of-us-involvement-in


Ukraine is essentially a giant CIA base, posing as a sovereign nation.

The CIA moved into Ukraine after the fall of the Soviet Union, looking to take advantage of the lawless and destabilized country, using it as an offshore proxy, outside the scope of US oversight.

It began with the Nunn-Lugar Act in 1991, and then carried on into 2005, when then Senators Obama and Lugar visited Ukraine, to inspect the former Soviet bio, chemical, and nuclear facilities (pictured below), and then added Ukraine to the Defense Threat Reduction Agency, and began turning these former Soviet facilities into “defensive research facilities”, which opened the door for US contractors to establish their foothold in Ukraine, and set up their money laundering and racketeering operations, under the guise of “foreign aid”.

Then the CIA funded Nazi militant groups in Ukraine which led to the outbreak of civil war in 2014 in the Donbas. Amidst the chaos, the US State Department, via Victoria Nuland, leveraged the situation to install US-loyal puppets, including the infamous leaked phone call between her and fellow State Department bureaucrat Geoffrey Pyatt, about ensuring “their guy” Yatsenuik, was installed as Prime Minister. The State Department, in tandem with the CIA, covertly took control of Ukraine via Color Revolution in 2014.
4123   RayAmerica   2024 Sep 16, 8:11am  

Recall how the mainstream media, aka, the Ministry of Propaganda, were slobbering all over each other while claiming that the Abrams Tanks would be a game changer in Ukraine?

Ukraine rapidly losing US Abrams tanks – media

Military Watch estimates that 20 of the 31 units supplied to Kiev have been destroyed, badly damaged or captured

https://www.rt.com/news/604126-military-watch-ukraine-losing-abrams-tanks/

PS: Ukraine soldiers continue to refer to the Abrams as 'under armored, poorly functioning death traps,' while the Russians refer to them as 'junk that are made out of tin,' proven by the fact that they are easily taken out by Russian drones whenever they enter the battlefield.
4124   RayAmerica   2024 Sep 16, 8:19am  

Alleged would-be Trump assassin recruited for Ukraine’s International Legion

Before he was caught with an AK-47 on a golf course near Trump, Ryan Routh went to Kiev to fight for Ukraine’s military and recruit for its International Legion. Routh told US media he “had partners meeting with [Ukraine’s Ministry of Defense] every week.”

NOTE: article contains video of Routh being interviewed in Ukraine, whereby he expresses his fanatical support: 'Every able bodied man in the entire world should be here fighting for Ukraine.'
https://thegrayzone.com/2024/09/15/suspect-trump-assassination-plot-recruited-for-ukraines-international-legion/

4125   WookieMan   2024 Sep 16, 10:34am  

RayAmerica says

PS: Ukraine soldiers continue to refer to the Abrams as 'under armored, poorly functioning death traps,' while the Russians refer to them as 'junk that are made out of tin,' proven by the fact that they are easily taken out by Russian drones whenever they enter the battlefield.

Not the best source. US media has just stopped reporting on the whole war. Every side has a propaganda wing to it.

Also, the US really doesn't need tanks. There's no chance of anyone making landfall in a US attack. It's a racket to get government buddies contracts. So it wouldn't surprise me if ours were inferior.

That said, Russia cannot even take a tiny swath of land. They've lost a lot in the Black Sea fleet. Tanks are relevant, but they don't win wars. Pushing 3 years at this point.

Fact is there's really no need for war. Skip the cost or quality of the tanks. The fucking transportation costs are astronomical to get them to Ukraine.
4126   DOGEWontAmountToShit   2024 Sep 16, 11:01am  

WookieMan says


Also, the US really doesn't need tanks. There's no chance of anyone making landfall in a US attack. It's a racket to get government buddies contracts. So it wouldn't surprise me if ours were inferior


Yup. These particular tanks were to fight a Soviet invasion in 1990s Europe. They were last successfully used in Operation Desert Storm. But that was against shitty Iraquis.

Strykers are better for use in the US. Yet the recent Civil War flick showed mostly Abrams. Stupid.

I think Strykers are able to avade drone attacks better than tanks, too.
4127   Eric Holder   2024 Sep 17, 2:04pm  

Explain this to me:

KYIV, Sept 16 (Reuters) - Ukraine said on Monday it had asked the United Nations and the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) to join humanitarian efforts in Russia's Kursk region following a cross-border incursion by Ukrainian forces.

Ukraine's army remains in the Kursk region more than a month after launching the assault, in which President Volodymyr Zelenskiy says Kyiv has taken control of about 100 settlements. Russia's Defence Ministry said on Monday its forces had regained control of two more villages.

Ukrainian Foreign Minister Andrii Sybiha said he had instructed his ministry to invite the UN and ICRC to work in the Kursk region on Sunday. The ministry confirmed that it had issued the requests.

"Ukraine is ready to facilitate their work and prove its adherence to international humanitarian law," Sybiha said on X after visiting the Sumy region, from where Ukrainian forces launched the cross-borer attack.

He said the Ukrainian army was ensuring humanitarian assistance and safe passage to civilians in the Kursk region.

The Foreign Ministry said the invitations had been sent to the ICRC and UN, "taking into account the humanitarian situation and the need to properly ensure basic human rights in the territory of the Kursk region."

It said it had asked the ICRC to monitor Ukraine's compliance with the principles of international humanitarian law.
It was not immediately clear how or whether the UN or ICRC had responded.

Russia's state-run TASS news agency quoted Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov as saying such statements were "provocative". He made clear Moscow, which began its full-scale invasion of Ukraine in 2022, expected the UN and ICRC not to accept the invitations.


Does OUR GREAT CHRISTIAN LEADER actually want Nazis to continue lampshading his subjects?

Where's that pucture with Kursk and Dumb Ass in a pool?
4128   DOGEWontAmountToShit   2024 Sep 17, 2:14pm  

Eric Holder says

Does OUR GREAT CHRISTIAN LEADER actually want Nazis to continue lampshading his subjects?


Biden wants the Azov Ukey Nazi's to keep selling lampshades on eBay?

Wow!




4129   RWSGFY   2024 Sep 17, 3:02pm  

DemocratsAreTotallyFucked says


Eric Holder says


Does OUR GREAT CHRISTIAN LEADER actually want Nazis to continue lampshading his subjects?


Biden wants the Azov Ukey Nazi's to keep selling lampshades on eBay?

Wow!



Biden told OUR GREAT CHRISTIAN LEADER to forbid UN and Red Cross to monitor the treatment of his subjects in the Nazi-occupied Kursk People's Republic?

Wow indeed!

PS. Here's the pic:

4130   Patrick   2024 Sep 18, 11:37am  

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/alice-in-spyland-wednesday-september


Follow the money! Last week, Politico ran a whiny story headlined, “European governments criticize IMF trip to Russia as ‘propaganda win’ for Putin.”

If there is one kind of win that corporate media hates more than any other kind of victory or success, it is a propaganda win. They just can’t stand it. Please, they always cry, anything but a propaganda win. Not that. Not for Putin.

The International Monetary Fund (IMF) is a Washington-based international finance agency formed in 1994. Since then, its octopus-like tendrils have spread worldwide, making massive “development loans” and dishing out “financial advice” to other countries with more strings attached than a concert hall harp section.

Although the IMF is ostensibly neutral, its strings always benefit U.S. interests.

When Russia first invaded Ukraine in 2022, the IMF’s tendrils shrank away from that country, as part of Joe Biden’s backfiring sanctions regime. But last week, the IMF announced it was sending a delegation to Moscow to renew relationships. Although the announcement was light on details, looney Ukraine supporters did not fail to detect the obvious message. Politico:

Ukraine's backers argue that by visiting Russia, the IMF is sending the
message that relations with Moscow are normalizing despite its continued
unprovoked aggression in Ukraine.

Haha, unprovoked. The point is, the wheels are coming off the Ukraine bus. First, it was the Ryan Routh attack, which has done and will do more to tank Ukraine’s prospects than any other single event. Routh’s unhinged Ukraine support mingles with his assassination attempt, to create a politically unpalatable narrative stew.

The IMF’s new mission to Russia is the kind of behind-the-scenes stuff that says more than a hundred headlines. Follow the money, and the money is going to see President Putin.

Russia’s economy has done terrific in the last two years, breaking all previous records, in the absence of any IMF “help.” They’d be crazier than the CIA wants you to think Ryan Routh is, if they got back in bed with the grasping financial agency. The IMF has a lot of selling to do.
4131   Ceffer   2024 Sep 18, 10:56pm  

LOL! Maybe it was cheaper to send the F16s to Ukraine than to mothball them.

https://rumble.com/v5fi9o5-total-disaster-ukraine-lost-its-third-f-16-fighter-jetrussia-captured-the-c.html
4133   Ceffer   2024 Sep 20, 3:02pm  

This is awful. Their organs weren't even harvest-able. What a waste when the customers are waiting.

https://t.me/GitmoTV/31762

4134   DOGEWontAmountToShit   2024 Sep 21, 12:29am  

Once again, German tanks burn in Kursk:


4136   Patrick   2024 Sep 23, 8:09am  

https://jameshowardkunstler.substack.com/p/wheezing-past-the-graveyard


According to Col. Wilkerson, Sec’y of Defense Lloyd Austin told the “president” to his face that there will be no flinging of US-supplied long-range missiles from Ukraine “deep into Russia,” as the neocon-infested White House been chattering about endlessly. Wiser heads deep in the DOD HQ have decided the matter. Lump it, if you must, Tony Blinken and Jake Sullivan. The Russians’ “red-line” on such a caper is so wide you can see it from the International Space Station — that is, if you’re an astronaut marooned up there due to combined NASA/Boeing incompetence. . . but that’s another story.

Meanwhile, UK Prime Minister Keir Starmer was all revved up for the missile operation and flew to Washington for a one-to-one meet-up with “JB” to get the go-ahead. The Brits are avid for another World War. The last two went so well for them that they kissed their vast empire goodbye. Now they want to kiss goodbye their sceptered isle itself, which has almost no economy left and is overrun by cultural hostiles who are not into Shakespeare. The Brits’ floundering government is a posse of monomaniacs fixated on defeating Russia which, at this point in history, is like a dormouse (Glis glis) facing down a brown bear (Ursus arctos).

“Joe Biden,” reportedly “furious” at losing his executive power, was constrained to tell Mr. Starmer that the missile strike op was off, which left the UK PM miffed that he had crossed the ocean for no reason. Who knows, the Brits are so nuts these days that perhaps they’ll try to pull it off on their own. Mr. Zelensky, the no-longer-elected leader of Ukraine was begging them to try it because Ukraine has nothing left. NATO as a whole really has nothing left, either. Not much of a combined military, scant munitions left in the cupboard, and no will to wage war among the depressed citizens of its member nations.

There is nothing left except to come to terms on a settlement that will leave Ukraine not a member of NATO. The entire affair has been a humiliation for NATO and America, especially for the “Joe Biden” management team (whatever it actually consists of these days). The longer they refuse to engage in talks, the less of Ukraine will be left as a sovereign entity — having proven to the world that its sovereignty rests solely on its capacity to be used as a catspaw by the American neocon / intel blob. You’re reminded that for seventy years prior to 2014, Ukraine was not a problem for anyone until we made it a problem on-purpose — our purpose being idiotic and malicious — and Ukraine could, in theory, revert to not being a problem for anyone again. Wouldn’t that be wonderful?
4139   Patrick   2024 Sep 26, 8:21am  

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/stormy-weather-thursday-sept-26-2024


Volodymyr Zelensky is Ukraine’s former president and now its unelected Martial Law Coordinator, a position invented in real time out of necessity after Zelensky’s term ended without holding new elections. Corporate media still calls him the “president,” since he wields the powers of a president, but that title is not even close to accurate.

With U.S. elections looming, and uncomfortable questions about Zelensky’s authority cropping up like spring Ukrainian sunflowers, Curruptocrat Zelensky quickly developed a secret “Victory Plan” that he plans to present to President Cabbage today in Washington.

But Ukraine is a leaky ship of state, and anonymous bureaucrats are telling eager reporters what to expect. In addition to lots more money and more weapons, Zelensky’s amazing Victory Plan is expected to rest on two main prongs.

First, he wants the United States’ help in targeting Russian cities with U.S.-supplied and U.S.-directed missiles. This, Zelensky apparently believes, will tree the Russian Bear. Zelensky thinks the Russian people are weak-minded and cowardly and, if they are subjected to devastating missile attacks, they’ll overthrow the evil dictator Putin and peace will descend on Europe like a dove.

In other words, Zelensky expects the Russians to defeat Russia.

Of course, Russia could also respond by bombing Kiev into a smoking ash heap, which it has patiently resisted doing for almost three years now. Despite Ukraine relentlessly trying to bomb Russia’s Crimean bridge, Russia has also held back from taking out Ukraine’s six bridges across the massive Dnieper river, which bisects the country. That operation would probably only take an hour.

So the plan also includes a second, defensive prong. Zelensky reportedly also wants immediate NATO membership, to protect Ukraine from Russian retribution for strikes on its civilian centers. Russia, Zelensky thinks, won’t risk a war with NATO, which would be required to directly intervene for Ukraine if it were a member.

In other words, Zelensky sees Israel’s deal and wants the same thing for Ukraine.

But Ukraine is not Israel. Nor is Russia comparable to Hezbollah and Hamas. And yesterday, the escalatory ladder extended more when President Putin announced changes to Russia’s nuclear doctrine that would allow a thermonuclear response to any massive missile or drone attack against Russian cities. He also said if a nuclear state helps Ukraine, it would be considered a “joint attack” against Russia. ...
4141   Ceffer   2024 Sep 26, 4:44pm  

Of course, there is that huge Mockingbird fake news lobby with its trash talking subscriber group (not naming names) who beg to differ. When somebody tells you they want everything you believe to be a lie, and you still believe them, what does that mean?



https://t.me/hkitabayashi/1572
4142   Ceffer   2024 Sep 27, 6:06pm  

Guess it WAS cheaper to send those F-16s to Ukraine than to mothball them.

https://t.me/hkitabayashi/1591
4145   WookieMan   2024 Sep 29, 6:07pm  

Valid point. Thing is it just doesn't matter. No one actually cares besides college students and Democrat war mongers. Who would have thought....

Outside of using nukes, Russians are useless dip shits. So are Ukrainians. They could have resolved this themselves almost a decade ago. I say let them have at it. Who cares?
4146   Ceffer   2024 Sep 29, 6:11pm  

The_Deplorable says





https://x.com/ivan_8848/status/1839434787070644636

Foreign Secret Agent Man Blinken's Satanic inversion lie re-writing history that can still be fact checked.
4148   Patrick   2024 Sep 30, 9:00am  

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/storm-conditions-monday-september


But, using Accuweather’s conservative $110 billion estimate, we could restore every single citizen whose home was destroyed or damaged by Hurricane Helene, and rebuild every single washed-out small business — for less than the cost of the next Ukraine weapons package.

Congress has not even tried to reallocate any Ukraine Aid to Helene Recovery.
4149   Patrick   2024 Oct 1, 9:07am  

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/tribbled-tuesday-october-1-2024-c


Help is on the way! Four days ago, Reuters ran a story headlined, “Israel says it has secured $8.7 billion U.S. aid package.” Three days ago, Responsible Statecraft ran a story headlined, “Biden 'surges' $8 billion in aid to Ukraine, this senator wants guardrails on it.” Yesterday, Reuters ran a story headlined, “Biden approves $567 mln in defense support for Taiwan, White House says.”

Just hold on. I know what you’re thinking, dummies. But you don’t understand geopolitics. The wheel of money and war must keep spinning, or what’s the point? True, people in North Carolina might not have food, water, or houses, but what would they do if China invaded Taiwan? Huh? What would they do if Russia defeats Ukraine before all that sweet, sweet tax money greases all the necessary palms?

How will we keep all those wars going?

It’s fine and dandy to help all those poor citizens of other countries deal with their disasters. But here’s a radical idea. Maybe we should suspend aid to fix other countries’ problems until we have a firmer grasp on our own? Just saying.
4150   socal2   2024 Oct 1, 9:40am  

Putin demands Israel withdraw forces from Southern Lebanon.

Can't make this shit up.

https://twitter.com/Osint613/status/1841092572972007857
4153   Patrick   2024 Oct 7, 10:08am  

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com/p/strategic-monday-october-7-2024-c


As the world braces for today’s anniversary of the barbaric October 7th attacks on Israel and as the war in the Middle East heats up, the influential Financial Times floated a very suggestive proposal yesterday headlined, “Ukraine, Nato membership and the West Germany model.” The sub-headline added, “Security guarantees will have to underpin any peace deal where Russia retains control of Ukrainian land.” So much for “not one inch.”

“Although it remains committed to recovering the lands seized by Russia over the past decade,” the Financial Times regretfully explained, Ukraine “regrettably lacks the manpower, weaponry and western support to do it.” Later, it somberly conceded, “the west patently lacks a strategy for Ukraine to prevail.”

Now they tell us! And here, we all thought they had a strategy of some kind. (Just wait for the next story to see what the current strategy is.) But apparently not. So now they want to split the Ukraine baby.

Now they tell us, Part Deux: “The West German model for Ukraine has been discussed in foreign policy circles for more than 18 months.” Surprise! What they mean by the “West German model” is splitting Ukraine into two parts, like West and East Germany after the Second World War. In that historic scenario, West Germany was allowed to join NATO even though half the country remained under Soviet control.

This overly optimistic scheme suffers from two obvious problems, as the article eventually got around to admitting. First, in Germany, the occupied borders were well-defined, allowing the famous Berlin Wall to be erected right down the line. But in Ukraine, the war marches on, and the ever-changing borders remain fluid.

Second, after the war, the Soviets agreed to the Germany-splitting compromise. Today, Russia will never agree to let West Ukraine join NATO as part of any peace plan. It will never ever happen.

Biden’s neocons, Antony Blinken and Jake Sullivan, must now divide their attention between the old, difficult, plan-less Ukraine war, and the shiny new war emerging in the Middle East, which is ripe with potential and enthusiasm for a fresh conflict and all its glorious potential.

Meanwhile, things are only getting worse in Eastern Europe’s strategy-free theater of war. Any day now, Ukraine will head into winter and its rasputitsa mud season, further freezing and bogging down prospects for Ukraine’s ‘victory.’
4154   Patrick   2024 Oct 7, 10:10am  


Perhaps it isn’t completely fair to say there’s no strategy. On Saturday, the New York Times ran an eye-watering story headlined, “Ukraine’s Donbas Strategy: Retreat Slowly and Maximize Russia’s Losses.” The agonized sub-headline added, “It’s far from clear if the Ukrainian strategy will succeed.” So, there is a strategy after all.

Talk about trying to put a good spin on failure. The gist was that the Ukrainians are losing, are in retreat all along the front lines, but Kiev has ordered its troops to hold their untenable positions at all costs, in the hope that the Russians will eventually get tired of winning and go home.

That’s it. That’s the whole strategy.

To be clear, Ukraine has an alternative: pulling its troops from vast numbers of unholdable towns and villages, and mustering them together in more defensible positions, such as behind the giant Dnieper river, which divides the country in half. The main advantage of this defensive strategy would be saving tens or hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian lives.

Instead, Ukrainian martial law coordinator and former comedian Zelensky figures that, despite the astonishingly high cost in lives and free NATO materiel, by holding on till beyond the last minute in every little hamlet and township, the Russians might, sooner or later, get exhausted by all the fighting and give up.

Given that one of Russia’s stated objectives at the outset was to demilitarize Ukraine, it seems unlikely that Russia will get tired anytime soon of killing Ukrainian soldiers by the battalion.

Combined, these two stories, the Financial Times’ and the New York Times’ articles, together revealed the war’s hideous truth. Western war planners don’t care about Ukraine. They don’t care about its courageous soldiers willing to fight Russia to their inglorious deaths. As I reported yesterday, all the West cares about is the Wolfowitz Doctrine: establishing a NATO foothold in Ukraine to keep a lid on Russia and prevent it from becoming a rival world superpower.

In other words, the Ukrainian people and their land are disposable NATO resources. But there isn’t any strategy. Doing the same thing over and over and hoping for a different result isn’t a strategy, it’s insanity.

But the fact the corporate media conversation and “foreign policy circles” have evolved from a goal of crushing Russia any day now to a strategy of trading land for peace is a great sign. Perhaps the end lies in sight.
4155   DOGEWontAmountToShit   2024 Oct 7, 10:27am  

Patrick says

all the West cares about is the Wolfowitz Doctrine: establishing a NATO foothold in Ukraine to keep a lid on Russia and prevent it from becoming a rival world superpower.


Russia will never become a world superpower again. Demographics dooms that. A regional power, yes. But again: that will only last another 10 years or so because of demographics as well. Russia simply will not be able to field enough troops relative to its vast territory.
4156   AmericanKulak   2024 Oct 7, 11:43am  

I got a 12 hour ban from Twitter for saying throw Igor K. down the well. The bots are strong in this October before the election year.
4157   Misc   2024 Oct 7, 12:01pm  

AmericanKulak says

I got a 12 hour ban from Twitter for saying throw Igor K. down the well. The bots are strong in this October before the election year.


Tried signing up just now again. They just give me the Black Screen. There's still plenty of Feds there. No way are they gonna let me have an account.
4158   Eric Holder   2024 Oct 7, 12:22pm  

AmericanKulak says

I got a 12 hour ban from Twitter


FREEDOM OF SPEECH, ASSHOLES!!!! BEAUTIFUL FREEDOM OF SPEECH!!!! THE ELON MUSK!!!! THE ELON MUSK!!!!!

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