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socal2 says

"Existential Threat" - what does that even mean?

It means that Russia has watched NATO spread eastward and was about to incorporate Ukraine. Given Russia's history of being invaded by Europeans through Ukraine this is a legitimate concern. The last time Russia had a non-aggression pact with a European power they ended up fighting that power at the gates of Moscow. Victoria Nuland, et al, knew that threatening to incorporate Ukraine in NATO would prompt Russian military response and kept pushing. Had Russia not taken the bait, I suppose then Nuland would have prompted Japan to retake the Kirils and Sakhalin.

If you think that it is unreasonable for the Russians to fear NATO invasion through Ukraine, how about the absurdity that Russia invading Ukraine is just the first step to Russia conquering Europe?

HeadSet says

It means that Russia has watched NATO spread eastward and was about to incorporate Ukraine.

And what harm has that caused Russia other than having some healthier and richer nations next door they could sell energy to? Just imagine how much more secure and rich Russia would be today with all their pipelines and energy deals still in place with Europe if they didn't decide to invade Ukraine.

HeadSet says

The last time Russia had a non-aggression pact with a European power they ended up fighting that power at the gates of Moscow.

You mean when they made a deal with the Nazis to carve up Poland and they got double crossed? Were the Commies some sort of victim in WWII? Not exactly a great example to excuse Russia's murderous invasion of Ukraine.

The_Deplorable says

Nonsense. Russia defeated Ukraine massively and decisively

Yay! So the war is over?

No need for Russia to continue sustaining thousands of casualties each week to capture a few acres of tree lines and fallow fields? They already won "massively and decisively!"

Was it always in Putin's plan to have a grinding war like this going on for 4 years with almost no significant gains? Is that what a "massive and decisive" victory looks like when a huge country like Russia can't manage to pacify their smaller and weaker next door neighbor?

I can fully admit that Ukraine has struggled mightily to keep the battle lines largely stable and would be cooked without Western aid. But it is absolutely retarded to gaslight like you did above and just makes you look delusional or something worse.



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socal2 says

"But it is absolutely retarded to gaslight like you did above and
just makes you look delusional or something worse."

Who is winning territory in this war? Answer: Russia
Who is losing territory in this war? Answer: Ukraine
So... who is delusional here?

socal2 says

And what harm has that caused Russia other than having some healthier and richer nations next door they could sell energy to?

Joining NATO did not make those countries richer and better customers for Russia. It meant those countries combined forces with an anti-Russia alliance.

socal2 says

You mean when they made a deal with the Nazis to carve up Poland and they got double crossed? Were the Commies some sort of victim in WWII? Not exactly a great example to excuse Russia's murderous invasion of Ukraine.

Nobody said commies were innocent victims. My point is that even though Hiler and Stalin were good buddies (divided Poland and shook hands in the middle, had the Luftwaffe train in Russia before WW2, plus a non-aggression pact), Hitler still invaded Russia. Lesson for the Russians - when anyone from the West says they will not invade, even a supposed ally, don't believe them.

Putin is no angel; he is a ruthless dictator who has his opponents murdered as well as being the head of intelligence and the mafia. Not the issue. The West provoked the war by trying to bring Ukraine into NATO.

If the West were to declare Taiwan and independent nation, give it a seat in the UN, then push to form alliances outside of China, would that not provoke an invasion? Rightly or wrongly, China would consider such actions to be an attack on its territorial integrity.

socal2 says

And what harm has that caused Russia other than having some healthier and richer

^^^ perfect example of delusional cope right there.

If anything shows that our MIC is a mercenary army under the heel of the Brits..... Foreign secret agent man Blinken admitted that US was arming Ukraine many months before the conflict broke out. Another planned conflict.



https://thegrayzone.com/2024/11/16/uk-plot-keep-ukraine-fighting/

HeadSet says

"Putin is no angel; he is a ruthless dictator who has his opponents murdered..."

You are confusing Putin with Joe Biden.
How many times did Biden's Globalist Nazis try to assassinate Trump? Three? Four? Five times? How many?

The_Deplorable says

HeadSet says

"Putin is no angel; he is a ruthless dictator who has his opponents murdered..."

You are confusing Putin with Joe Biden.
How many times did Biden's Globalist Nazis try to assassinate Trump? Three? Four? Five times? How many?

No confusion at all, Biden is no angel either.

socal2 says

And what harm has that caused Russia other than having some healthier and richer nations next door

Even Trump gets what socal2 cannot: