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FuckTheMainstreamMedia says

WookieMan says

I know gas prices hurt for everyone, but who actually pays attention? Around 10 years ago I stopped giving a shit about prices. Drive a gas guzzling SUV. I notice now that I fill $100+ if close to E, but that's once a week and doesn't really move the needle financially for us. Wife's gas is paid for by the company. We could get a minivan to be more efficient gas wise..... said no guy ever.

SUV space, comfort and towing. Can't do that with a minivan. Also, very mild off roading/camping SUV has a higher clearance on rough dirt/gravel roads.

It’s a massive disaster for low and middle income Los Angeles residents. I’m talking mostly people in the $40-80k range(no one with income lower than that should be driving a car in LA). Public transportation in LA curently is not safe or sanitary due to the explosion of homeless p...

Will it force the illegals to go back south of the border? No? So it's not that bad then.

Hugh_Mongous says

Will it force the illegals to go back south of the border? No? So it's not that bad then.

The only way it does is if it gets worse in Los Angeles than it does in Mexico as far as socioeconomic such as pubic education, standard of living and crime.

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socal2 says

my electric consumption went up 25% a month but my electric bill went down about $10/month on this plan.

This happened to me too. Electric consumption went up while the electricity bills went down after switching to the EV plan.

I’m a yolo, within my means, type of guy. I run the A/C full blast when hot and crank up the heater when cold. I’ll save when it’s convenient, but will not go out of my way and try to save when it’s not.

Life is short. Do what makes us happy. Can’t take anything with us when we’re gone.

FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut says

los angeles county, various gas stations. most are close to $7, some are over $7. I live in the San Fernando Valley, this isn't a ritzy area.

$7 per gallon at California minimum wage of $15 per hour is 28 minutes of labor in exchange for a gallon, in a modest 20 mpg vehicle will cost us about a minute and a half of labor to drive one mile. Half that amount, about 45 seconds of minimum wage labor, if we carpool with just one other person.

Super-cheap, super bargain. Bargain Of The Millenia.

clambo says

For my friends in Mexico, $3.79 is still very much money to spend on this necessity.

Yes, like my in laws in the Philippines.

Like I wrote in the post above, $20 per gallon gasoline will cost you about a minute and a half of California Minimum Wage Labor to drive a modest 20 mpg vehicle one mile. That's if your the kind of California driver who doesn't like to share: about 45 seconds of labor if you carpool with one other person.

Nothing like that Bargain for everyday folks or minimum wage folks in places like Mexico and the Philippines.

But instead of being grateful we will bitch and complain and blame everyone (except ourselves for the choices we've made), and we won't cut our cost in half by sharing (carpooling).

B.A.C.A.H. says

we won't cut our cost in half by sharing (carpooling

Fuck carpooling, I'm riding with Hitler instead.

Hugh_Mongous says

Will it force the illegals to go back south of the border? No? So it's not that bad then.

They walk or swim. WTF do gas prices have to do with them, other than make it more expensive for border patrol (Hah!).

Eman says

I’m a yolo, within my means, type of guy. I run the A/C full blast when hot and crank up the heater when cold. I’ll save when it’s convenient, but will not go out of my way and try to save when it’s not.

I saved a lot of money as it takes money to make money. I reached critical mass for savings (as Bob Brinker would say) so I could work at home and work on what I wanted to work on. Working from home earns me extra income so I can live more carefree like setting the thermostat to 69 during summer.

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stereotomy says

Hugh_Mongous says

Will it force the illegals to go back south of the border? No? So it's not that bad then.

They walk or swim. WTF do gas prices have to do with them, other than make it more expensive for border patrol (Hah!).

They walk or swim to their jobs in LA? Interesting. Walk I can understand, but what do they swim? It's not like LA had an elaborate network of canals, like Venice...

RWSGFY says

stereotomy says

Hugh_Mongous says

Will it force the illegals to go back south of the border? No? So it's not that bad then.

They walk or swim. WTF do gas prices have to do with them, other than make it more expensive for border patrol (Hah!).

They walk or swim to their jobs in LA? Interesting. Walk I can understand, but what do they swim? It's not like LA had an elaborate network of canals, like Venice...

My bad, I'm thinking of TX, where there's this thing called the Rio Grande.

I have to ask, who disliked my comment (186). I don't really care, kind of, but seriously, what was to dislike? I get it could come across as bragging about not worrying about fuel, but outside of that, what was to dislike? Methinks someone is a minivan driver.

So if you live 20 miles away from your minimum wage job in the city because you can’t afford to live closer and you have to spend 2 hours of labor just to drive back and forth then fuck you. Got it.

pudil says

So if you live 20 miles away from your minimum wage job in the city because you can’t afford to live closer and you have to spend 2 hours of labor just to drive back and forth then fuck you. Got it.

Pretty much. Same way I would decline a job if I had to fly to it every day. Moreover, if this is a minimal wage job - it's a commodity, meaning there is another one just like it much closer by. Probably held now by some other dumb fuck driving to it in the opposite direction.

pudil says

So if you live 20 miles away from your minimum wage job in the city because you can’t afford to live closer and you have to spend 2 hours of labor just to drive back and forth then fuck you. Got it.

Because you won't carpool.

B.A.C.A.H. says

Because you won't carpool.

I thought this was a discussion about who would be hurt by $20 gas? I gave a great example of a pretty common situation. That’s the end of the thread.

Now the poors need to carpool to clean your office, cook your food, cut your hair? Okay, sure. Let’s just jack the gas prices to $40 then. They can live in the pods and eat bugs, not going to effect me any.

$20 gas turns us into a 3rd world country and destroys the American dream. Work as hard as you want, you’ll be priced out of any safe urban areas close to work and it will be too expensive to move to the suburbs.

pudil says

Now the poors need to carpool to clean your office,

How about paying them more to do stuff like that? Like a living wage?

What is so bad with ride sharing, anyway? I did it when I was not struggling financially. Share expenses, share time with others. Less stressful commute. What's not to like? You don't like sharing? I am sorry, that says more about you than it does about the transportation cost.

Besides you missed my point anyway: liquid fuels, what you get for what you pay, the kilojoules or whatever, are dirt cheap, even at $20 per gallon. Doesn't mean folks who arranged their lives around cheap long distance commuting won't be hurt. They will be hurt. Like I said, we will blame everyone except ourselves for the choices we made. Who would you like to blame, homie? You wanna blame me for saying it? Won't change the reality.

pudil says

I thought this was a discussion about who would be hurt by $20 gas?

Everybody to a different degree. But the ones hurt the most are the ones who voted for this shitshow.

B.A.C.A.H. says

pudil says

So if you live 20 miles away from your minimum wage job in the city because you can’t afford to live closer and you have to spend 2 hours of labor just to drive back and forth then fuck you. Got it.

Because you won't carpool.

Oh good lord. There was a company that offered carpooling from Oakland to Mountain View in California - a LOT Of people do this, but it was a complete clusterfuck. I knew a guy that tried it repeatedly, and it was a disaster. People wouldn't show up sometimes, other times, they would have to stay late at work, or leave early from work, there was a guarantee in the app that if you were stranded you could get a Uber or even a taxi to get back home. I doubt that company exists any more.

You can carpool PROVIDED you live next door or very close to a co-worker, you KNOW.

WookieMan says

I have to ask, who disliked my comment (186). I don't really care, kind of, but seriously, what was to dislike? I get it could come across as bragging about not worrying about fuel, but outside of that, what was to dislike? Methinks someone is a minivan driver.

I didn't do it, but you're out of touch. You're demonstrating obliviousness to blue collar workers.

pudil says

So if you live 20 miles away from your minimum wage job in the city because you can’t afford to live closer and you have to spend 2 hours of labor just to drive back and forth then fuck you. Got it.

That's basically the Yellow Jackets in France. Pushed further and further away from the city center where their skilled trade jobs (EMT, Mechanic) are, wages frozen, but mass transit constantly hiked to moon while the retirement age is raised and benefits cut.

Macron is President because the spoiled French 68 Generation wants to be sure their pensions stay at any cost to everybody else.

AmericanKulak says

pudil says

So if you live 20 miles away from your minimum wage job in the city because you can’t afford to live closer and you have to spend 2 hours of labor just to drive back and forth then fuck you. Got it.

That's basically the Yellow Jackets in France. Pushed further and further away from the city center where their skilled trade jobs (EMT, Mechanic) are, wages frozen, but mass transit constantly hiked to moon while the retirement age is raised and benefits cut.

Why can't they learn to code?

AmericanKulak says

Macron is President because the spoiled French 68 Generation wants to be sure their pensions stay at any cost to everybody else.

I doubt Macron is president because of that. He's president because Marie LePen will sit back and allow the election be stolen.

richwicks says

You can carpool PROVIDED you live next door or very close to a co-worker

Did you live here during the BART strikes?

B.A.C.A.H. says

richwicks says

You can carpool PROVIDED you live next door or very close to a co-worker

Did you live here during the BART strikes?

No, I don't think so. I got here in 2000, just in time for the big bust!

My friend tried to carpool a couple years ago, but it just is unworkable. He kept getting stranded, or the person wouldn't show up to pick him up - it was just a mess. He's tried taking the train, but it's too slow and inconvenient.

California has gone too bullshit crazy for him, he's probably going to abandon it. He's got 2 small children, and with the education system here being, frankly crap, he's starting to look at saner and greener pastures.

$4.50/gallon in central Maryland.

richwicks says

B.A.C.A.H. says

Did you live here during the BART strikes?

No, I don't think so. I got here in 2000, just in time for the big bust!

Casual carpooling on a massive scale during the BART strikes. People did it (ridesharing) out of necessity. They did it before out of necessity, they can do so again.

Some here on Patrick's blog get nasty/defensive at me for sharing the simple physics and arithmetic that liquid fuels are a damn cheap bargain, and would be even at $20 per gallon gasoline. Doesn't mean I will like it. My primary vehicle averages 20 mpg. I am/hurt by pricey gasoline too. But that doesn't change the realities of physics and arithmetic.

Using some round numbers for approximation:

A gallon of gasoline has about 100 megajoules of energy. A car operates at about 100 horsepower (hp). One hp-hr is about 2.5 megajoules. One gallon will do the work of four horses for one hour. Where could you get one hour's work of four horses for $20?

It's cheap.

This is why people will ride share if they have to. The alternatives of walking or spending to have horses do our walking for us won't work for the ways most of us have chosen to arrange our lives.

Of course I don't like it. Won't change the reality.

Blame the Arabs. Blame the Russians. Blame the Iranians or the Israelis. Blame India and China. Blame the oil companies, the frackers, the environmentalists, the Democrats, the Republicans. Blame Klaus Schwab, blame Biden, Trump, Hillary, Sacramento. Blame me. Doesn't change the physics nor the math.

B.A.C.A.H. says

Blame the Arabs. Blame the Russians. Blame the Iranians or the Israelis. Blame India and China. Blame the oil companies, the frackers, the environmentalists, the Democrats, the Republicans. Blame Klaus Schwab, blame Biden, Trump, Hillary, Sacramento. Blame me. Doesn't change the physics nor the math.

This shit may have flown if Trump was never president, but he was, and we were oil independent at the end of his term, and Biden was NOT elected.

"Let them eat cake" may be something Marie Antoinette never actually said but creating this problem, which is what our government has done, is dangerous.

There may be a REAL insurrection in 2024.

B.A.C.A.H. says

How about paying them more to do stuff like that? Like a living wage?

Unfortunately that can't work in a system where labor is oversupplied by constantly pouring over illegals. you know supply and demand concept, you smart guy. well, it applies to labor too, if you oversupply labor, what do you think will happen to the poor people who only have labor to trade?

with inflation it isn't just the poor fucked.

richwicks says

"Let them eat cake" maybe something Marie Antoinette never actually said but creating this problem, which is what our government has done, is dangerous.

What is the problem?

Is the problem the price of oil?

Or is the problem, choices we made to arrange our lives to be stressed out with suburban sprawl (I am one of those), solo commuting in a one ton vehicle?, - that we bought into an unsustainable cheap gasoline car-centric suburban sprawl concept of The American Dream?

There's millions of folks of modest means living their American Dream who work at jobs, have kids in school, save/invest for retirement, and don't depend on purchasing gasoline to do those things. Maybe you know some of them.

Modest means, - ie, not affluent folks buying their way out of the problem with EVs.

I suppose you can blame the government. Blame everyone except ourselves.

pudil says

B.A.C.A.H. says

Because you won't carpool.

I thought this was a discussion about who would be hurt by $20 gas? I gave a great example of a pretty common situation. That’s the end of the thread.

Now the poors need to carpool to clean your office, cook your food, cut your hair? Okay, sure. Let’s just jack the gas prices to $40 then. They can live in the pods and eat bugs, not going to effect me any.

$20 gas turns us into a 3rd world country and destroys the American dream. Work as hard as you want, you’ll be priced out of any safe urban areas close to work and it will be too expensive to move to the suburbs.

I won't carpool (don't need to). And yes, $20 gas would imply much bigger issues with the overall economy. Cool if you carpool, but you're likely even more broke if you need to do that and gas prices are $20/gal. And yes, I know driving is a "privilege" blah, blah. I could handle $20/gal no problem, but 80-90% couldn't even cover that to get to work even with carpooling without a full car.

It's not just the price of fuel. Shipping is the biggest industry employment wise in this country. Drivers would get pay cuts and the cost of good would skyrocket even more. This isn't about the teacher or lawyer driving to their work. We'd end up printing more money and causing more problems. Domino effect. Or we could just drill for more oil and up the reserves. That's not this administrations policy. And they're going to get their asses handed to them because of it.

https://climatechangedispatch.com/biden-wh-begging-oil-companies-to-restart-shuttered-refineries

https://notthebee.com/article/gas-is-up-50-cents-in-a-month-to-a-new-all-time-high-thanks-joe

HunterTits says

DooDahMan says

Screaming Drill Baby Drill, import more crude, increase fracking production, etc. isn't going to do any good if there is not enough refining capacity - and there isn't because the big oil companies do not make enough money if there is

No. The reason why is because the US basically decided not to build any since the last one in 1978 because of NIMBY environmental reasons.

Now we are paying the price.

Quit posting bullshit fake news.

If bottleneck would be refineries, then gas price should not be impacted by oil price that much? If we are constrained by refinery capacity which is responsible for high gas prices, then why oil price is rising? And why was gas cheap a year or 3 years ago but is expensive now, if the problem is refinery capacity?

Gasoline went up to 21.6 pesos per liter in La Paz, BCS, Mexico.

That’s $4.09 per USA gallon I think.

Interesting that I see new gas stations; previously all of them were Pemex.

I see some old Pemex stations converted to Chevron.
Another one is Repsol.
Some other ones I have forgotten.

HunterTits says

Do you see room on their digital display for more than one dollar figure when we hit $10+/gallon?

Since it is not a mechanical indicator, I presume they will have to forgo the old 9 tenths and use that space. That is, $8.299 takes up the same space as $10.30.