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Thread For Exposing Blatant Propaganda

By Patrick follow Patrick   2022 Mar 11, 9:40am 2,446 views  200 comments           share      

https://spectatorworld.com/topic/two-wars-ukraine-propaganda-social-media/?source=patrick.net


Ukraine and the war for your mind
The conflict on the ground isn’t the only one — there’s plenty of propaganda afoot too

March 11, 2022

Deterrence works. Russia’s nukes are the only thing keeping the US from full-out war in Ukraine just six months after retreating from Afghanistan. The unprecedented propaganda effort by Ukraine and its helpers in the American mass media to drag the US and NATO directly into the fight has failed — so far. But the struggle — the one for your mind space — is not over.

To understand what follows, you have to wipe away a lot of bull being slung your way. Insanity is not the only explanation for Putin’s actions of the past few weeks. From a Russian standpoint, he is carrying out a rational political-military strategy in Ukraine, seizing Russian-speaking territory such as Donbas, demilitarizing eastern Ukraine by force, and most of all creating a physical buffer zone between his country’s southern border and NATO. That zone may end at the Dnieper River with a loop around Odessa, or it may end at the Polish border, depending on how smoothly things go on the ground and on what level of “back away” message Putin wishes to send NATO.

It’s unlikely that Putin is making the first moves toward some greater conquest. All the bad takes saying “if we don’t stop Putin now, he’ll invade Moldova/Estonia/Poland/all Europe just like Hitler” ignores that the German military in World War Two had some 18 million men under arms. The Russian army today has 1.3 million, the best of which are going to be in Ukraine for a while.

Every war has its “is the juice worth the squeeze” question. Is what you can realistically hope to achieve worth the cost of getting it? For Putin, that means solving his border problem at the cost of maybe a few thousand men and another dollop of weak sanctions. He understood the needs of Europe meant sanctions would never harm sales of the fossil fuels which make up most Russian exports. But nyet to Paypal for you tovarishch! Putin could also look to history and see how decades of sanctions have not changed much in Cuba, Venezuela, Iraq, Iran and North Korea.

Putin most importantly also knew NATO would not fight him on the ground for fear of starting a nuclear war. That is exactly what nukes are for — and is the history of the Cold War in a sentence. Having nukes allows a country to do certain things any way it wants because its actions stay below the threshold of risking atomic war. This is why the US could destroy Gaddafi and Saddam (no nukes) and why the US will never attack North Korea (nukes). Under US pressure, Ukraine in 1994 relinquished the nukes it inherited from the former Soviet Union, enabling the invasion here in 2022.

Being a nuclear superpower makes things easier; the US can fight all over Central America and the Middle East, and Russia in the ’Stans, Crimea and now Ukraine, and none of that is important enough for the other side to consider using nukes to stop it. It is not like America does not know how to step away from a fight which isn’t ours: Crimea, Chechnya, Rwanda, Hungary ’56, Czechoslovakia ’68, initially Afghanistan ’79, even to a certain extent in Syria 2016. Putin knows that. Biden knows that. NATO knows that. Ukraine, however, still thinks it can change the game.

Ukraine knew on Day One it didn’t have enough men or weapons to defeat the Russians. Its only hope to remain a unified nation (it is easy to imagine a divided Ukraine, Western Zone and Russian Eastern Zone) is outside help. A no-fly zone, some airstrikes to blunt Russian advances. Maybe some of those Polish/NATO pilots planning to ferry F-16s to Ukraine stay to fly them in combat? Something, anything.

That’s why America is being blitzed with Ukrainian propaganda, and your brother-in-law is ready to head to Europe with his never-cleaned hunting rifle. The goal is to change public opinion such that a weak guy like Joe Biden starts to doubt himself. The goal is get Biden to take that Pentagon meeting laying out options for some limited bombing, or to listen to those analysts saying the US could set up a small no-fly zone on Ukraine’s western edge to facilitate humanitarian aid. Drop in some Special Forces. Something, anything.

The purpose of the propaganda is to get Biden to sign off on something hopefully small enough that it falls below the threshold of provoking a nuclear response. A risky and delicate tasking. The bad news is Ukrainian propaganda is working. A non-partisan 74 percent of Americans say NATO should impose a no-fly zone in Ukraine. And that’s even as we are just getting started.

A quick propaganda recap. We’ve had the hero phase with the non-existent Ghost of Kyiv and the supermodels with guns. We’ve had the Russians-are-going-to-kill-us-all phase, with the faux threat of invasion to the West and the faux scare the Russians were going to create a Chernobyl-like nuclear accident by shelling a power plant. We are currently moving through the “not verifiable atrocities” phase. Alongside this is beefcake talk about Zelensky, the likes of which we haven’t seen since before the cancellations of Andrew Cuomo and Michael Avenatti. The fact-checking mania of the Covid era is in the dustbin of history as American media removes all the filters on pro-Ukrainian content.


The quality of the propaganda is not important (any scrap metal on snowy ground is breaking news of another Russian helo down, even if the metal has “Acme Junk Pile” written on it). The quantity is important, the attempt to overwhelm American mind space to the point where logic is shoved into the back corner. There is a growing cottage industry of “experts” explaining how to can go to war without going to THAT kind of war. Dissenting voices are few, and are often labeled as “Putin lovers,” with late night hosts hurling homophobic slurs at them like high school kids.

It all sounds silly when the effect of propaganda is to convince Americans higher gas prices are the cost of freedom, or booking an Airbnb they’ll never stay at will save Ukraine, or refusing Russian dressing on a salad. But it is deadly serious. There are two battles now playing out over Ukraine. The one on the ground — and the one on your social media seeking to drag America into the mud.

Only half a year after the sad ending in Afghanistan, it is stunning to watch America again contemplate going to war for some abstract purpose far removed from our own core interests. And this time it is the risk of a nuclear exchange to remind us of our mistake, not just an inglorious departure from Kabul.


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161   Patrick   2022 Mar 18, 10:24am  

https://t.me/greatreject/32430?source=patrick.net


Ukrainian soldier filmed by a resident laying a bottle of incendiary explosive on a kid’s playground to organize a false flag on peaceful targets... now imagine what else they're doing..

They got caught red handed planting explosives and then taking pictures.
162   Patrick   2022 Mar 18, 10:32am  

https://t.me/greatreject/32417?source=patrick.net


Ole Dammegärd explains how false flags are planted with the help of the crisis actor industry. On that FALSE note, LAWS are being rigged. The WEF also uses crisis actors to manipulate politics.
163   AmericanKulak   2022 Mar 18, 12:52pm  

Putin Rally. Had to dig hard to find just a minute of raw footage without the Globalist Propaganda Filtration commentary from "Former Intelligence Officials who said Iraq had WMDs, Wuhan Lab had nothing to do with COVID, and the Hunter Laptop was Russian disinfo." types:

70,000 at the Rally, chanting "Russia, Russia, Russia."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HZL1V8bx5Bc

The despot took to the stage at Moscow's Luzhniki World Cup stadium dressed in a £10,000 Loro Piana jacket - despite his country's economy crumbling under the weight of Western sanctions - to address a crowd waving Russian national flags and banners marked with the letter 'Z', which has become a potent symbol of the invasion.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10627555/Vladimir-Putin-holds-huge-rally-thousands-Z-flag-waving-Russians.html

Despot! I'm building a DEPOT myself.
164   mell   2022 Mar 18, 9:40pm  

It's now posted everywhere that putler phoned Trump and - amongst other things - explained that that hospital was (also) a bioweapons (storage) lab and they got 24 hours notice to remove everyone. Impossible to verify, possibly fake, esp. the phone call part, but the fact that this "disinfo" is left to stand for now makes one think there could be some truth to it. Will def be interesting to see how orange man will navigate those hot waters now being associated as "putler fan". And always remember kids, everything you hear on the side of Eurasia are 100% lies and everything you hear with us benevolent overlords - such as that we've always been at war with Eurasia - is 100% truth!
165   AmericanKulak   2022 Mar 19, 2:24am  

Take a look at the "Institute for the Study of War", quoted extensively in the Pro-Globohomo Press.

Kagan, Bill Kristol, General Kean, Liesberman - all Hawks and Surgers - plus Betrayus (the Surge Author later made Director of the CIA but it didn't last when he was sleeping and sharing classified info with his biographer) and lots of other characters like a former Executive of the Kyiv Post during the 2014 Maidan Coup and various Media tie-ins.

https://www.understandingwar.org/who-we-are?source=patrick.net
166   richwicks   2022 Mar 19, 8:21am  

Patrick says
Once-proud outlets like the BBC and CNN are creating fake narratives and peddling them to an increasingly uncritical media consumer.


This is false.

First of all, CNN and BBC have ALWAYS been full of shit. This is Operation Desert Storm from 1991, recorded off from a direct satellite feed - which means, no commercial breaks, just raw footage:


original link


Second of all, I would say at least 50% of the western world, and I'm being conservative, realize that our "news" media is garbage today. What they don't realize I think, is that it's always been this way. Nothing has changed in our media, people are just becoming aware of it.

It's no worse than it was 3 decades ago.

The media is surprised that people are rejecting it, because they haven't changed.
167   Patrick   2022 Mar 19, 1:40pm  

https://rusi.org/explore-our-research/publications/commentary/not-out-woods-yet-assessing-operational-situation-ukraine?source=patrick.net


The war in Ukraine has been dominated by an effective and far-reaching information campaign led by the Ukrainian state. The Ukrainian narrative is dominating both the news and social media cycles, which are now of equal importance in forming public opinion. The narrative is littered with broken Russian convoys, farmers triumphantly towing boutique Russian air defence systems away from their hiding places, and harrowing footage of Russian tank formations being destroyed. And yet, by analysing three maps depicting the operational picture, including one released by the UK’s Ministry of Defence (MoD) and two curated by open-source investigators – the Twitter account Jomini of the West and Konrad Muzyka’s Ukraine Conflict Monitor – it is apparent that Russian forces are making progress.


"information campaign" lol.

That means propaganda campaign with massive assistance from the US elite, whose corrupt interests are at threat in Ukraine. For example, Hunter's monthly payments from Burisima.
169   Patrick   2022 Mar 19, 8:07pm  

https://charleseisenstein.substack.com/p/reinventing-progress?s=r&source=patrick.net


In turbulent times, society becomes vulnerable to false meaning-makers who would rescue us from our bewilderment. They offer to collapse complication and chaos into simple explanations for what is happening. They tell you what is real and what is not, who is good and who is bad. They pose a single explanatory logic to tidy up the messiness of a chaotic world.

In arenas of dispute, all sides typically attempt this, pitting one narrative against another in what we now recognize as narrative warfare.

The most prevalent simplifying strategy is to identify a villain and blame everything on him. In geopolitics, this means erasing entire histories in order to blame Saddam Hussein, Bashar Al-Assad, Nicolas Maduro, or Vladimir Putin for the latest crisis. ...

A telling sign of this mentality is, when anyone reintroduces history or nuance into the conversation, to accuse them of “making excuses” for the narrative’s bad guy. When someone is obsessed with pinning causality onto the evil character of the story, they will hostilely reject any confounding context that dilutes that identification.


Side A: PUTIN BAD! PUTIN BAD!

Side B: Well, there's a lot of history to consider, such as the US-funded Maidan coup...

Side A: YOU ARE AN APOLOGIST FOR PUTIN! YOU ARE BAD! PUTIN BAD! PUTIN BAD!
171   Patrick   2022 Mar 21, 11:10am  

https://thegrayzone.com/2022/03/18/bombing-mariupol-theater-ukrainian-azov-nato-intervention/?source=patrick.net


Civilians that escaped the city through humanitarian corridors have testified that they were held by Azov as human shields in area, and that Azov fighters detonated parts of the theater as they retreated. Despite claims of a massive Russian airstrike that reduced the building to ashes, all civilians appear to have escaped with their lives.

Video of the attack on the theater remains unavailable at the time of publication; only photographs of the damaged structure can be viewed. The Russian Ministry of Defense has denied conducting an airstrike on the theater, asserting that the site had no military value and that no sorties were flown in the area on March 16.

While the Russian military operation in Ukraine has triggered a humanitarian crisis in Mariupol, it is clear that Russia gained nothing by targeting the theater, and virtually guaranteed itself another public relations blow by targeting a building filled with civilians – including ethnic Russians.

Azov, on the other hand, stood to benefit from a dramatic and grisly attack blamed on Russia. In full retreat all around Mariupol and facing the possibility of brutal treatment at the hands of a Russian military hellbent on “de-Nazification,” its fighters’ only hope seemed to lie in triggering direct NATO intervention.

The same sense of desperation informed Zelensky’s carefully scripted address to Congress, in which he invoked Martin Luther King Jr.’s “I Have A Dream” speech and played a heavily produced video depicting civilian suffering to make the case for a no fly zone.

By instigating Western public outrage over grisly Russian war crimes, Ukraine’s government is clearly aiming to generate enough pressure to overcome the Biden administration’s reluctance to directly confront Russia’s military.

But Kiev’s most emotionally potent allegation so far – that Russia deliberately bombed innocent children cowering inside a theater – has been undercut by testimonies from Mariupol residents and a widely viewed Telegram message explicitly foreshadowing a false flag attack on the building.


The first casualty of war is truth.
175   Patrick   2022 Mar 25, 5:47pm  

Paul Joseph Watson is pretty reputable.
176   AmericanKulak   2022 Mar 25, 5:57pm  

One thing the Western Media will never bother with is any Ukrainian Atrocities. You can bring them photos and a few eyewitnesses right to their European Desk and they'd find excuses not to investigate, or maybe make one call to the Ukrainian Government, that will deny it, and they'll "Factcheck: Pants on Fire" the whole thing, like Biden's Laptop.

Or Obama's pallets full of cash.

We know the US Media in particular is totally biased, and the Ukraine War is the Democrats' last chance not to have a complete rout in the November Elections.
177   richwicks   2022 Mar 25, 6:02pm  

AmericanKulak says
One thing the Western Media will never bother with is any Ukrainian Atrocities.


Well, obviously. Why do you think Julian Assange is slowly being killed in incarceration?

AmericanKulak says
We know the US Media in particular is totally biased, and the Ukraine War is the Democrats' last chance not to have a complete rout in the November Elections.


I doubt it. The CIA will just steal the elections again. It was quite obvious in 2000, and since it was obvious and they got away with it, they'll just do it again.
178   AmericanKulak   2022 Mar 25, 6:04pm  

richwicks says
I doubt it. The CIA will just steal the elections again. It was quite obvious in 2000, and since it was obvious and they got away with it, they'll just do it again.




I was thinking last night about that turd bucket, Paul Ryan. Clear his job was to Delay everything MAGA during the two years the Reps had the House and the Presidency. I'm wondering what 2018 irregularities looked like.
179   richwicks   2022 Mar 25, 6:14pm  

AmericanKulak says
richwicks says
I doubt it. The CIA will just steal the elections again. It was quite obvious in 2000, and since it was obvious and they got away with it, they'll just do it again.




I was thinking last night about that turd bucket, Paul Ryan. Clear his job was to Delay everything MAGA during the two years the Reps had the House and the Presidency. I'm wondering what 2018 irregularities looked like.


We're eventually going to end up with a populist dictator. SOMEBODY with a huge ego is going to recognize they can go down in history as "the greatest president ever", if they just wipe the slate clean. To do that, they will have to have nearly absolute power for a bit.

Trump made a good stab at it. He bypassed the media, pointed out it was garbage, showed the DOJ is partisan and corrupt, and demonstrated that the intelligence agencies are a bunch of traitors that just shit on Constitutional rights. 2024 will be interesting.
180   AmericanKulak   2022 Mar 25, 6:25pm  

richwicks says

We're eventually going to end up with a populist dictator. SOMEBODY with a huge ego is going to recognize they can go down in history as "the greatest president ever", if they just wipe the slate clean. To do that, they will have to have nearly absolute power for a bit.

Trump made a good stab at it. He bypassed the media, pointed out it was garbage, showed the DOJ is partisan and corrupt, and demonstrated that the intelligence agencies are a bunch of traitors that just shit on Constitutional rights. 2024 will be interesting.





I flat out HOPED he would do this. Sadly, there are too many Milleys in the Military. The Deep State won't clean itself up, and as Bannon notes, they're not just going to hand you the keys even if you do win fair and square in an election.

It's funny how the "Deep State" went from a "Conspiracy Theory" to something along the lines of heroes resisting the unwashed hordes from ruining America in the WaPo right after the 2016 election.

It's remarkable it took 200+ years to get here. It usually happens a lot faster. Didn't Jefferson say a revolution every 40 years would probably be necessary? I'd say we went about 200 before things got obviously and truly terrible. I think of all the lost liberties, to buy dynamite at the hardware store or guns in the mail without ID, or for a bar owner to decide whether there would be ash trays or not. To say nothing of the fewer and fewer small stores and businesses than there were just 30-40 years ago.
181   Eric Holder   2022 Mar 25, 6:48pm  

Patrick says
Paul Joseph Watson is pretty reputable.


Not with me. I literally have no idea who he is. Besides, shouldn't real skeptic refrain from blindly believing anyone until solid proof is provided?

So, no video, I presume?

PS. You know that it's pretty easy to see if the person is being hanged to death for reals vs acting like he/she is being hanged. Especially if it's done w/o a drop, like the picture seems to suggest.
182   richwicks   2022 Mar 25, 6:55pm  

Eric Holder says
Patrick says
Paul Joseph Watson is pretty reputable.


Not with me. I literally have no idea who he is. Besides, shouldn't real skeptic refrain from blindly believing anyone until solid proof is provided?

So, no video, I presume?


Here:

https://rumble.com/c/PJW

Enjoy. Review his OLD stuff before you bother to look at his new stuff. That gives you a better idea of is he's worthwhile to listen to, and isn't just telling you what you might want to hear.
183   Eric Holder   2022 Mar 25, 7:08pm  

richwicks says
Eric Holder says
Patrick says
Paul Joseph Watson is pretty reputable.


Not with me. I literally have no idea who he is. Besides, shouldn't real skeptic refrain from blindly believing anyone until solid proof is provided?

So, no video, I presume?


Here:

https://rumble.com/c/PJW?source=patrick.net

Enjoy. Review his OLD stuff before you bother to look at his new stuff. That gives you a better idea of is he's worthwhile to listen to, and isn't just telling you what you might want to hear.


I'm not really interested in people making faces and talking in dramatic voices. All I want is the video of people being hanged. I can't find it in the collection you referenced. Are you sure it's there?
184   richwicks   2022 Mar 25, 7:18pm  

Eric Holder says
I'm not really interested in people making faces and talking in dramatic voices.


Then ignore him.

He's basically a satirist and I don't find him very informative. You asked for video of him, I was just giving you that. Very few people are worth paying attention to really. It's all basically just black entertainment anyhow.

People are taking sides on this, and nobody fully appreciates the situation. I can see Russia's point of view, and I haven't agreed with any of the US' wars in 2 decades.

Eric Holder says
All I want is the video of people being hanged.


Me too! But in the United States.

Eric Holder says
All I want is the video of people being hanged. I can't find it in the collection you referenced. Are you sure it's there?


I interjected. I'm not Patrick, also, anything can easily be faked, especially during war. Even video is meaningless at this point.
186   Onvacation   2022 Mar 26, 11:25am  

The United States support the good guys.


187   AmericanKulak   2022 Mar 27, 7:28pm  

Check this one out: Masked Man appears to "Testify" about Russian Evil, appears in person in hoodie and glasses, article is written by "Guest Author". Fearmongering to the Max.


https://www.yahoo.com/news/syrian-eyewitness-details-crimes-against-144518020.html?source=patrick.net
188   AmericanKulak   2022 Mar 27, 7:30pm  

Onvacation says
The United States support the good guys.


The guy being executed murdered an entire family, starting with the grandmother and ending with the 10-year old boy, at on-base officer housing on an ARVN military compound He was being executed after a hot pursuit. Assassinating officers is one thing, killing their families is not. His extra judicial death was Fine and dandy by me.
191   Ceffer   2022 Mar 30, 10:03am  

Revolver links. The censoring force, it is powerful. I can't click on a single one of those links and get anything. These are the people who think we should be supporting their criminal enterprises in Ukraine.
192   Patrick   2022 Apr 2, 12:35pm  

https://off-guardian.org/2022/04/02/ukraine-vs-yemen-a-contrast-in-media-coverage/?source=patrick.net

Ukraine was intended to be part of GloboCap Inc, which is why there is so much shrieking in the media about the invasion.

Saudi Arabia is already part of GloboCap Inc, which is why there is media silence about its invasion of Yemen.
193   AmericanKulak   2022 Apr 2, 1:19pm  

Former President George W. Bush met with illegal aliens this week to promote his amnesty and legal immigration expansion agenda, snubbing Angel Families who have lost loved ones to illegal alien crime in the process.

On Tuesday, Bush and former first lady Laura Bush met with illegal aliens Gerardo Casas, Rebeca Gurrola, and Dip Patel — all of whom are enrolled in former President Obama’s Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program — as well as mass migration advocates from Jewish Family Service of San Diego and the American Nursery & Landscape Association.

Specifically, Bush touted his efforts over the last year in lobbying Republicans in Washington, D.C. to work with President Joe Biden on not only passing amnesty for illegal aliens but also expanding legal immigration levels beyond the 1.2 million green cards and 1.5 million temporary work visas given out to foreign nationals every year.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2022/03/30/george-w-bush-meets-with-illegal-aliens-to-promote-amnesty-snubbing-angel-families/?source=patrick.net
197   Patrick   2022 Jun 10, 12:46pm  

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/06/09/hawley-and-grassley-receive-evidence-from-whistleblower-showing-dhs-intent-to-weaponize-social-media-to-control-information/


Thanks to a DHS whistleblower who has come forward to Senators Josh Hawley and Chuck Grassley, we are now seeing the direct evidence of how the Fourth Branch of Government, specifically the Dept of Homeland Security, were planning to take control over public discussion on Big Tech platforms.



199   richwicks   2022 Jun 23, 5:03am  

Misc says


Absolutely nobody would believe this ...

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/your-right-to-conceive-babies-could-be-at-risk-if-roe-v-wade-is-overturned/ar-AAYMbpN?ocid=U521DHP&li=BBnb7Kz

would they???


From that article: This is the woman that claims she might be prevented from having a child through IVF if Roe v. Wade is over-turned:



Despite my earlier stance, upon further examination, I do not oppose Roe v. Wade being over-turned.
200   richwicks   2022 Jun 23, 5:13am  

AmericanKulak says

Onvacation says
The United States support the good guys.

The guy being executed murdered an entire family, starting with the grandmother and ending with the 10-year old boy, at on-base officer housing on an ARVN military compound He was being executed after a hot pursuit. Assassinating officers is one thing, killing their families is not. His extra judicial death was Fine and dandy by me.


@AmericanKulak - we know the Gulf of Tonkin Incident never happened, and we certainly know our government lies to us regularly now, so how are you certain what you said is true?

I'm not saying it's not, I'm saying we have an entirely non trustworthy government that will lie to us and doesn't deserve our respect at this point. I'm not so certain they were any different 50 years ago.

A government that has to lie to or will needlessly lie to us, is not worthy of being our government. We don't have a worthy government at this point. I hope this changes before I'm dead.

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