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Thread For Exposing Blatant Propaganda


               
2022 Mar 11, 9:40am   26,748 views  302 comments

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https://spectatorworld.com/topic/two-wars-ukraine-propaganda-social-media/?source=patrick.net


Ukraine and the war for your mind
The conflict on the ground isn’t the only one — there’s plenty of propaganda afoot too

March 11, 2022

Deterrence works. Russia’s nukes are the only thing keeping the US from full-out war in Ukraine just six months after retreating from Afghanistan. The unprecedented propaganda effort by Ukraine and its helpers in the American mass media to drag the US and NATO directly into the fight has failed — so far. But the struggle — the one for your mind space — is not over.

To understand what follows, you have to wipe away a lot of bull being slung your way. Insanity is not the only explanation for Putin’s actions of the past few weeks. From a Russian standpoint, he is carrying out a rational political-military strategy in Ukraine, seizing Russian-speaking territory such as Donbas, demilitarizing eastern Ukraine by force, and most of all creating a physical buffer zone between his country’s southern border and NATO. That zone may end at the Dnieper River with a loop around Odessa, or it may end at the Polish border, depending on how smoothly things go on the ground and on what level of “back away” message Putin wishes to send NATO.

It’s unlikely that Putin is making the first moves toward some greater conquest. All the bad takes saying “if we don’t stop Putin now, he’ll invade Moldova/Estonia/Poland/all Europe just like Hitler” ignores that the German military in World War Two had some 18 million men under arms. The Russian army today has 1.3 million, the best of which are going to be in Ukraine for a while.

Every war has its “is the juice worth the squeeze” question. Is what you can realistically hope to achieve worth the cost of getting it? For Putin, that means solving his border problem at the cost of maybe a few thousand men and another dollop of weak sanctions. He understood the needs of Europe meant sanctions would never harm sales of the fossil fuels which make up most Russian exports. But nyet to Paypal for you tovarishch! Putin could also look to history and see how decades of sanctions have not changed much in Cuba, Venezuela, Iraq, Iran and North Korea.

Putin most importantly also knew NATO would not fight him on the ground for fear of starting a nuclear war. That is exactly what nukes are for — and is the history of the Cold War in a sentence. Having nukes allows a country to do certain things any way it wants because its actions stay below the threshold of risking atomic war. This is why the US could destroy Gaddafi and Saddam (no nukes) and why the US will never attack North Korea (nukes). Under US pressure, Ukraine in 1994 relinquished the nukes it inherited from the former Soviet Union, enabling the invasion here in 2022.

Being a nuclear superpower makes things easier; the US can fight all over Central America and the Middle East, and Russia in the ’Stans, Crimea and now Ukraine, and none of that is important enough for the other side to consider using nukes to stop it. It is not like America does not know how to step away from a fight which isn’t ours: Crimea, Chechnya, Rwanda, Hungary ’56, Czechoslovakia ’68, initially Afghanistan ’79, even to a certain extent in Syria 2016. Putin knows that. Biden knows that. NATO knows that. Ukraine, however, still thinks it can change the game.

Ukraine knew on Day One it didn’t have enough men or weapons to defeat the Russians. Its only hope to remain a unified nation (it is easy to imagine a divided Ukraine, Western Zone and Russian Eastern Zone) is outside help. A no-fly zone, some airstrikes to blunt Russian advances. Maybe some of those Polish/NATO pilots planning to ferry F-16s to Ukraine stay to fly them in combat? Something, anything.

That’s why America is being blitzed with Ukrainian propaganda, and your brother-in-law is ready to head to Europe with his never-cleaned hunting rifle. The goal is to change public opinion such that a weak guy like Joe Biden starts to doubt himself. The goal is get Biden to take that Pentagon meeting laying out options for some limited bombing, or to listen to those analysts saying the US could set up a small no-fly zone on Ukraine’s western edge to facilitate humanitarian aid. Drop in some Special Forces. Something, anything.

The purpose of the propaganda is to get Biden to sign off on something hopefully small enough that it falls below the threshold of provoking a nuclear response. A risky and delicate tasking. The bad news is Ukrainian propaganda is working. A non-partisan 74 percent of Americans say NATO should impose a no-fly zone in Ukraine. And that’s even as we are just getting started.

A quick propaganda recap. We’ve had the hero phase with the non-existent Ghost of Kyiv and the supermodels with guns. We’ve had the Russians-are-going-to-kill-us-all phase, with the faux threat of invasion to the West and the faux scare the Russians were going to create a Chernobyl-like nuclear accident by shelling a power plant. We are currently moving through the “not verifiable atrocities” phase. Alongside this is beefcake talk about Zelensky, the likes of which we haven’t seen since before the cancellations of Andrew Cuomo and Michael Avenatti. The fact-checking mania of the Covid era is in the dustbin of history as American media removes all the filters on pro-Ukrainian content.


The quality of the propaganda is not important (any scrap metal on snowy ground is breaking news of another Russian helo down, even if the metal has “Acme Junk Pile” written on it). The quantity is important, the attempt to overwhelm American mind space to the point where logic is shoved into the back corner. There is a growing cottage industry of “experts” explaining how to can go to war without going to THAT kind of war. Dissenting voices are few, and are often labeled as “Putin lovers,” with late night hosts hurling homophobic slurs at them like high school kids.

It all sounds silly when the effect of propaganda is to convince Americans higher gas prices are the cost of freedom, or booking an Airbnb they’ll never stay at will save Ukraine, or refusing Russian dressing on a salad. But it is deadly serious. There are two battles now playing out over Ukraine. The one on the ground — and the one on your social media seeking to drag America into the mud.

Only half a year after the sad ending in Afghanistan, it is stunning to watch America again contemplate going to war for some abstract purpose far removed from our own core interests. And this time it is the risk of a nuclear exchange to remind us of our mistake, not just an inglorious departure from Kabul.


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260   Ceffer   2025 Aug 14, 1:46am  

Again, hearkening to Obama's wetwork and his murdered cook. It is also alleged that Obama did some of his own wetwork on various gay men he consorted with during his 'activist' days in Chicago prior.

261   Ceffer   2025 Aug 14, 1:49am  

So, Obama is a standard Tavistock spy product. Obama legalized propaganda, leading to our present day Mockingbird miseries, and Hitler was a proponent of the 'Big Lie' public speaking utility.

262   Ceffer   2025 Aug 14, 1:59am  

Mandami is this kind of 'reintegrated' figure popping up to be suddenly pushed to the front of the political line. The process of 'deconstruction' itself appears to be related to brainwashing, MKUltra tactics, and occult influences. The techniques are handed down from antiquity, as said, over 500 years (probably more).

263   Ceffer   2025 Aug 14, 12:37pm  

Nothing much changes, to cite Charles homosexuality and Jimmy Saville close friendship. Apparently, they had Diana's two children genetically tested at birth, and neither one is Charles'. "Depopulation exercise" aka account holder harvests. The slaughters of war aren't the by products, they are the goals.

264   Ceffer   2025 Aug 15, 12:54am  

More from the annals of 'the more things change, the more they stay the same'.

265   Ceffer   2025 Aug 16, 2:08am  

Ubiquitous use of body doubles occurred throughout history and of course into the present day. Hitler's 'five body doubles', some of them hanging out together.









266   Ceffer   2025 Aug 18, 7:56pm  

Everything historians said about WWII was propaganda and bullshit. It was a planned and controlled war, like WWI. Operation James Bond was a real operation to extract Martin Bormann from Germany to England to disclose the Nazi's bank accounts and stolen assets.

267   DemoralizerOfPanicans   2025 Aug 18, 9:04pm  

Borman's remains were found under a train station during expansion in 1973 about 10 yards away from an intersection where he was last seen by a witness alive. Crushed glass between the teeth consistent with reports he and an SS Doctor named Stumpfegger, had suicide pills. Witnesses in the Fuhrerbunker remember Stumpfegger offering them to any who wished to have them. Dentist verified the work he was known to have had in the teeth; the skulls matched perfectly to photographs of Borman and Stumpfegger. Borman's corpse was actually refused the family and kept by the FRG. 1998 genetic testing matched remains to Borman's bones to living relatives of his, performed by experts from the University of Munich.
269   Ceffer   2025 Aug 18, 11:16pm  

Christopher Creighton is the agent who Ian Fleming based the James Bond character. I find this a lot more believable than the many now known bogus stories about Nazi leaders and their deaths. The fakery runs deep. Bormann ran the banks for the stateless Fourth Reich after the war, and dropped all pretense at some point, and there are cashed checks with his signature after WWII when he felt safe enough to assume his own identity again.

Forensic claims, including the dental claims, were also done with Hitler. The Russians were embarrassed that they were misdirected, and never countered the claims of Hitler's suicide.
PanicanDemoralizer says


Borman's remains were found under a train station during expansion in 1973 about 10 yards away from an intersection where he was last seen by a witness alive.



"Millions of words have been written about the fate M“ Martin Bormann, Hitler’s indispensable private secretary, and head of the Nazi Party Chancellery, who vanished at the end of the Second World War. In October 1946 the most-wanted Nazi war criminal was condemned to death in absentia at Nuremberg, but he was never found or brought to justice.

Some historians claim he died near the Weidendamm Bridge, in the ruins of Berlin, on the night of 1-2 May 1945. Others believe he escaped from Germany to-South America, where he lived and died. In 1973 a court in Frankfurt pronounced him officially dead.

The truth is far more extraordinary. Christopher Creighton now reveals that in the final night and day of the war, as the Soviet armies closed in on the capital of the Third Reich, Bormann was lifted from Berlin by a Commando raiding party, led by Ian Fleming, creator of James Bond, and himself. The team spirited their captive down the waterways to meet the Allies on the River Elbe, and by mid-May 1945 Bormann was safe in England, where he assumed a new identity.

Operation James Bond was ordered by Major Desmond Morton, head of the ultra-secret M Section of naval intelligence. Its ulterior purpose was to recover the immense fortune appropriated by the Nazis and salted away in numbered Swiss bank accounts, to which Bormann alone had access.

It was approved not only by the Prime Minister, Winston Churchill, but also by both King George VI and President Roosevelt; yet it was so highly classified that even other government intelligence and security organizations knew nothing of it. After the war, thanks to the British capture of Bormann, 95 per cent of Nazi funds were recovered and restored to their former owners.

GRUNEWALDN

In a most secret letter dated October 1954, Churchill gave the author permission to produce a full account of his wartime operations. “When I die,’ he wrote, ‘then, if your conscience so allows, tell your story for you have given and suffered so much for England. Do not seek to protect me for I am content to be judged by history. But do, I pray

you, seek to protect those who did their duty honestly in the hope of a future world with freedom and justice for all.’

This is the last and greatest revelation from the Second World War: an astonishing story which will cause history to be recast."










270   MolotovCocktail   2025 Aug 29, 3:28pm  

Propaganda: Tariffs generally cause inflation





https://x.com/QuantusInsights/status/1961497146563465670
271   Misc   2025 Sep 12, 1:13am  

Well, the GDP for the entire US for the 2nd quarter was about $7.5 trillion

Meanwhile the household net wealth increased by about $7 trillion.

Nobody is calling bullshit on this. Everyone believes in the magical money Faeries.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-household-net-worth-rebounds-record-high-second-quarter-fed-data-shows-2025-09-11/
272   MolotovCocktail   2025 Sep 12, 5:53am  

Misc says

Well, the GDP for the entire US for the 2nd quarter was about $7.5 trillion

Meanwhile the household net wealth increased by about $7 trillion.

Nobody is calling bullshit on this. Everyone believes in the magical money Faeries.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-household-net-worth-rebounds-record-high-second-quarter-fed-data-shows-2025-09-11/


GDP is not wealth. It's just activity.
273   stereotomy   2025 Sep 12, 8:31am  

MolotovCocktail says

Misc says


Well, the GDP for the entire US for the 2nd quarter was about $7.5 trillion

Meanwhile the household net wealth increased by about $7 trillion.

Nobody is calling bullshit on this. Everyone believes in the magical money Faeries.

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-household-net-worth-rebounds-record-high-second-quarter-fed-data-shows-2025-09-11/


GDP is not wealth. It's just activity.

^^^
This

Just one example:

A mother quits work to raise her child - negative GDP.
That mother returns to work and now has to pay for childcare - Positive GDP, since the mother is back at work and she's paying for someone else to do the job that that she should be doing herself.

Who wants to guess what is ultimately more beneficial for our society and our country - more GDP or a stay-at-home mom in a two-parent family?
274   MolotovCocktail   2025 Sep 12, 8:48am  

stereotomy says

A mother quits work to raise her child - negative GDP.
That mother returns to work and now has to pay for childcare - Positive GDP, since the mother is back at work and she's paying for someone else to do the job that that she should be doing herself.


Same if someone grows their own food, raises their own livestock or builds their own house. (although the latter usually involves transactions that are counted in GDP anyway).
275   HeadSet   2025 Sep 12, 9:14am  

MolotovCocktail says

GDP is not wealth. It's just activity.

Is welfare and EBT counted as GDP?
276   stereotomy   2025 Sep 12, 9:34am  

HeadSet says

MolotovCocktail says


GDP is not wealth. It's just activity.

Is welfare and EBT counted as GDP?

As long as they pay into a system that records their transactions, then yes. Cash for crack or meth, on the other hand, probably doesn't count.
277   MolotovCocktail   2025 Sep 12, 10:55am  

HeadSet says

MolotovCocktail says


GDP is not wealth. It's just activity.

Is welfare and EBT counted as GDP?


If broken windows and hospital rape kits are, you betcha.
278   MolotovCocktail   2025 Sep 25, 12:32am  

This thread, which pushes Neocon crap...without a reference to the full article Eric Holder 'references'.

https://patrick.net/post/1385601/2025-09-12-russia-is-totally-fucked-blank-check
280   rocketjoe79   2025 Sep 30, 3:42pm  

On X, community notes flagged this precisely as well. Takes a few hours, but it gets done. Never believe sketch stuff up front.

You can also use the little Grok icon in the top right of the post for instant analysis. Pretty handy, but biased sometimes.

I can't wait for Grokipedia to replace Wikipedia. Wikipedia is only good for factual stuff, like how many species of llamas exist?
281   MolotovCocktail   2025 Sep 30, 4:00pm  

rocketjoe79 says


top right of the post for instant analysis. Pretty handy, but biased sometimes.


Yeah. I do that. Too many grok in the comments, thus making them Groktards to be vilified by everyone else who all read Grok's answer anyway.







But Grok is severely limited to whatever it finds online, suffering from authority bias as a result. Still, better than nothing.
283   DemoralizerOfPanicans   2025 Oct 4, 10:29am  

• Utah doesn’t use a coroner, they use a state medical examiner.

• Medical examiner reports are withheld from the public during criminal cases, ESPECIALLY an active capital homicide investigation. This is standard practice.

• Death certificates are issued, but certified copies are restricted and don’t become public for 50 years. This is normal.

• He had a huge memorial/funeral service at State Farm Stadium.

• His grave is his family’s personal information. Can you not think of a million reasons why his resting place would remain private at this moment? Think about it.

• Ballistics are private during an active investigation in accordance with Utah’s GRAMA, not sure why this surprises anybody.

• And yes. His WIFE has taken over his business matters. The person closest to him on the entire planet. The woman he married before God and had children with.

Conspiracy culture, pray for a cure.
https://x.com/AmiriKing/status/1974481235083670016
284   Patrick   2025 Oct 10, 4:31pm  

https://x.com/redpilledhawk/status/1975588424661844346


Imagine how weird it would be if American kids were assigned books on the Mongol raids into China from grades 6-12. A museum to honor those killed in the Mongol raids is put up in every major city in the country. Kids take field trips to the National Museum of Mongol Victims right next to the Capital Building. They are taught how important it is to make sure we never allow Genghis Khan to rise ever again.

Every single villain on the world stage is compared to Genghis Khan to justify sending young men to die in forever wars to protect the Chinese. Over $400 billion in aid is sent to the Chinese to stop the never ending Khan menace. Millions of foreign refugees are resettled in our country as a result of these wars resulting in cultural changes and terrorist attacks at home.

The mainstream media warns about the radicalization of young men into “Khan Riders” that are a threat to our democracy. One of the two major parties is branded as Khanists to incite violence against them. Anyone who asks questions about this arrangement is labeled a Khanist sympathizer and a traitor to the nation often resulting in financial, social, or physical harm. The platforms that allow questions to be asked are bought by Chinese billionaires. The Chinese president openly proclaims he has control over American politics and is probably right. In this nightmare world the American people, from top to bottom, have no control over their own country.

But that would be crazy and couldn’t ever happen. Now all of you get back to October 7th, our newest national holiday.
285   HeadSet   2025 Oct 11, 8:01am  

Notice there is no monuments built to commemorate the millions of Soviets or hundreds of thousands of American and British soldiers who died defeating the Nazis and liberating the camps.
286   MolotovCocktail   2025 Oct 14, 12:34pm  

HeadSet says

Notice there is no monuments built to commemorate the millions of Soviets or hundreds of thousands of American and British soldiers who died defeating the Nazis and liberating the camps.


There are in Russia. And some in East Germany. Big fuckers. 50 foot tall statues.

As part of the reunification agreement, Germany was supposed to protect and maintain them. But most have fallen to vandalism anyway. For obvious reasons, they weren't popular with East Germans.
288   HeadSet   2025 Oct 14, 4:00pm  

MolotovCocktail says

HeadSet says


Notice there is no monuments built to commemorate the millions of Soviets or hundreds of thousands of American and British soldiers who died defeating the Nazis and liberating the camps.


There are in Russia. And some in East Germany. Big fuckers. 50 foot tall statues.

As part of the reunification agreement, Germany was supposed to protect and maintain them. But most have fallen to vandalism anyway. For obvious reasons, they weren't popular with East Germans.

Yes, but this only honors the Soviets and not the English and Americans, plus they were not put up by Jews. No grand thank you for liberating them.
290   Patrick   2025 Oct 15, 7:48pm  

Britain has invaded almost 90% of the world’s countries at some point.

Russia is minor league as aggressors go.
291   Ceffer   2025 Oct 15, 10:35pm  

If you consider 'The Crown' and all of its commonwealth and protectorates, they ARE the largest country in the world. They also wire much of the criminal world enterprises.

They like to keep the Hegelian shit going with all of their various proxies acting as distractions as if the proxies are cause and effect, in a perpetual round robin of misdirected blame, keeping the focus off their control grid in the City of London, but like said, under just about every pile of steaming shit you'll find the Brits (LOL and Jesuits).

WWI and WWII were their designer wars, of which they are very proud.
292   Ceffer   2025 Oct 15, 10:47pm  

Pentagon exorcises itself of Fake Newsters/propagandists and free roaming spies/confidence men/ disguised lobbyists. Why were they ever in there in the first place?

294   Ceffer   2025 Oct 17, 12:12am  

This demonstrates how monolithilically owned and corrupted the bulk of the MSM is.

295   Ceffer   2025 Oct 18, 1:23am  

"Facts play no role in
propaganda which is always to create an impression. It has to
one-sided systematic, sustained indoctrination that what the
Government, the media and political leaders are saying is the
truth. And it has to be pitched in such a manner that the
people feel that it is their thinking.
Thus, propaganda has to be directed at mass audiences where
its message will make its mark. "

John Coleman
296   DemoralizerOfPanicans   2025 Oct 27, 9:02pm  

Tucker asserts that Putin is "The most popular leader in the world" and asserts it's only in the English-speaking and European areas where he is disliked, and Eastern Europe and the rest of the world LIKES Putin:



Actually, outside of India and a few SE Asian states, most of the world has a LOW opinion of Putin.

Poland has the LOWEST opinion of Putin with 98% negative. Hungary and Greece are also STRONGLY negative on Putin, over 70%.

South America is also net negative, the only outlier being Peru.

East Asia ex-China? Net Negative. Japan and South Korea are overwhelmingly negative.


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