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2022 Apr 29, 9:29pm   844,111 views  7,348 comments

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https://finance.yahoo.com/news/pimco-kiesel-called-housing-top-160339396.html?source=patrick.net

Bond manager Mark Kiesel sold his California home in 2006, when he presciently predicted the housing bubble would pop. He bought again in 2012, after U.S. prices fell more than 30% and found a floor.

Now, after a record surge in prices, Kiesel says the time to sell is once again at hand.

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7327   FortWayneHatesRealtors   2026 Jan 12, 4:41pm  

Trump does horrible things with housing market, everything to inflate the bubble. If you won’t buy it, he will have FN/FR buy up securities to keep it going.

Problem with not letting capitalism self correct is it costs exponentially more every time to keep the bubble from blowing.
7328   Patrick   2026 Jan 12, 7:38pm  

The problem with letting capitalism self-correct at the moment is big losses in the midterms.
7329   FortWayneHatesRealtors   2026 Jan 12, 8:10pm  

Patrick says

The problem with letting capitalism self-correct at the moment is big losses in the midterms.


Of course. It’s choosing short term benefits at expense of the next generation. Like no one cares about their kids or something. I’m scared for mine. They are inheriting inflation, debt, and nation still to this day overran with Indian scammers and South American illegals.
7330   AD   2026 Jan 12, 8:35pm  

Patrick says


The problem with letting capitalism self-correct at the moment is big losses in the midterms.


Sales volume has increased over last couple of months for townhomes on east end of Panama City Beach, as it appears that prices are at least 20% below the all time high (ATH) set in 2022 and FHA and VA mortgage rates are around 5.6%.

It will significantly increase if the prices are 25% below ATH and the mortgage rates drop below 5.25%.
7332   HeadSet   2026 Jan 13, 11:44am  

MolotovCocktail says





If so, then we should be seeing lots of proprietorships forming.
7333   Misc   2026 Jan 13, 1:58pm  

HeadSet says

f so, then we should be seeing lots of proprietorships forming.


Not at all. Covid taught them that the government can shut down/steal anything they've worked for just BECAUSE.
7334   Patrick   2026 Jan 13, 2:03pm  

This is true. I knew a couple that owned a restaurant in San Francisco (Hops and Hominy) that was doing well, until the government just shut everything down and killed it.
7335   GNL   2026 Jan 13, 2:20pm  

Patrick says


This is true. I knew a couple that owned a restaurant in San Francisco (Hops and Hominy) that was doing well, until the government just shut everything down and killed it.

Did all restaurants in San Fran die and not return after Covid? Or was it mostly the social/bar restaurants?
7336   TheAntiPanicanLearingCenter   2026 Jan 13, 2:33pm  

GNL says


Did all restaurants in San Fran die and not return after Covid? Or was it mostly the social/bar restaurants?

The secret real reason Insurance premiums are going up.

Boomers are passing earlier than predicted, driving is safer, homes are better built, Obamacare massive subsidies for private insurance companies, etc. Insurance companies should be wallowing in cash but for one reason:

But commercial real estate tanked and is probably never going to recover to Pre-COVID/Pre-Amazon/Pre-Online Health. Which is where, for decades, Insurers invested much of their excess from the premiums.

When State Farm sends you a 30% increase, it's because Midstate Office Building in nearby City is half empty with 23% below expected rental rates. The 7% is just the usual bullshit "We're going out of business" from insurers. Insurers that between 1970-2000s wallowed in cash from healthy, younger Boomer contributions more than offsetting any payouts to the smaller Silent gen.

Insurers are like regional chain furniture stores, going out of business for decades, ha.
7337   Patrick   2026 Jan 13, 6:23pm  

GNL says

Did all restaurants in San Fran die and not return after Covid?


Not all, but many did.
7338   stereotomy   2026 Jan 13, 6:41pm  

TheAntiPanicanLearingCenter says

GNL says



Did all restaurants in San Fran die and not return after Covid? Or was it mostly the social/bar restaurants?

The secret real reason Insurance premiums are going up.

Boomers are passing earlier than predicted, driving is safer, homes are better built, Obamacare massive subsidies for private insurance companies, etc. Insurance companies should be wallowing in cash but for one reason:

But commercial real estate tanked and is probably never going to recover to Pre-COVID/Pre-Amazon/Pre-Online Health. Which is where, for decades, Insurers invested much of their excess from the premiums.

When State Farm sends you a 30% increase, it's because Midstate Office Building in nearby City is half empty with 23% below expected rental rates. The 7% is just the usual bullshit "We're going out of business" from insurers. Insurers that between 1970-2000s wallowed in cash from healthy, younger Boomer contributions more than offsetting any payouts to the smaller Silent gen.

Insurers are like regional chain furniture stores, going out of business for decades, ha.

It's worse than that - the hurricane-force tailwind that was the 30 year T-bond gong from 18% to 2% over the last 40 years is over. No free lunch from ever appreciating long bonds that constituted the bulk of their risk-free assets.
7339   TheAntiPanicanLearingCenter   2026 Jan 13, 10:03pm  




"I'm on a fixed income, besides, this is a concrete and steel building. Our home back in MN, MI, NY is made of wood and..."
7340   REpro   2026 Jan 13, 10:13pm  

I am getting a letter/postcard every week over last couple years where straw men representing institutional buyers asking if I want to sell rental property for cash. Institutions are still buying but not that much like used to be.
7342   TheAntiPanicanLearingCenter   2026 Jan 13, 10:31pm  

Looks like the rents didn't keep rising as extrapolaters extrapolated, but the carrying costs went up "Bigly"
7343   AD   2026 Jan 13, 10:40pm  

TheAntiPanicanLearingCenter says

Looks like the rents didn't keep rising as extrapolaters extrapolated, but the carrying costs went up "Bigly"


We saw about a 25% drop in our Florida property tax premium compared to last year. Also property tax is flat.

Rent in Panama City Beach is around 2021 levels.

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1604-Annabellas-Way-Panama-City-Beach-FL-32407/87634367_zpid/

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7344   AD   2026 Jan 13, 10:54pm  

As far as this unit

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1700-Annabellas-Dr-Panama-City-Beach-FL-32407/87629985_zpid/

Sold on 1/13/2026 for $232,000

Sold in 9/2023 for $280,000

Sold in 10/2021 for $235,000

Sold in 8/2011 for $139,000

The Panama City Beach townhome's sales price appreciated around 3.75% from 2011 o 2026.

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7345   TheAntiPanicanLearingCenter   2026 Jan 14, 12:44am  



https://x.com/i/grok/share/o2geGuohNffX1WocQ6XZOGF82

Good to see rents drop, keeps out the speculators and pushes those who want to leave the state to sell and not rent out.
7346   Glock-n-Load   2026 Jan 14, 4:23am  

TheAntiPanicanLearingCenter says




"I'm on a fixed income, besides, this is a concrete and steel building. Our home back in MN, MI, NY is made of wood and..."

Ok but, this has nothing to do with economic conditions.
7347   Glock-n-Load   2026 Jan 14, 4:28am  

AD says

As far as this unit

https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1700-Annabellas-Dr-Panama-City-Beach-FL-32407/87629985_zpid/

Sold on 1/13/2026 for $232,000

Sold in 9/2023 for $280,000

Sold in 10/2021 for $235,000

Sold in 8/2011 for $139,000

The Panama City Beach townhome's sales price appreciated around 3.75% from 2011 o 2026.

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What’s the HOA fee?
7348   MolotovCocktail   2026 Jan 14, 7:51am  

Glock-n-Load says

Ok but, this has nothing to do with economic conditions.



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