Imagine being locked in a room with a Vegan...
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WookieMan
2023 May 12, 9:49am
WookieMan
2023 May 12, 9:49am
HeadSet says
For her age she lost a step, that's for sure. She had that quirky hotness to her. Haven't seen her in a while. Doesn't look as good as I remember. Looks like a good 10-20lbs pickup.
A bit risqué, especially when she mates with that tree.
For her age she lost a step, that's for sure. She had that quirky hotness to her. Haven't seen her in a while. Doesn't look as good as I remember. Looks like a good 10-20lbs pickup.
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ForcedTQ
2023 May 12, 2:14pm
WookieMan says
Still seems on the higher side of yes than no to me…
HeadSet says
A bit risqué, especially when she mates with that tree.
For her age she lost a step, that's for sure. She had that quirky hotness to her. Haven't seen her in a while. Doesn't look as good as I remember. Looks like a good 10-20lbs pickup.
Still seems on the higher side of yes than no to me…
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ForcedTQ
2023 May 12, 2:15pm
ForcedTQ says
WookieMan says
HeadSet says
A bit risqué, especially when she mates with that tree.
For her age she lost a step, that's for sure. She had that quirky hotness to her. Haven't seen her in a while. Doesn't look as good as I remember. Looks like a good 10-20lbs pickup.
Still seems on the higher side of yes than no to me…
Wood Milk, hahahahaha, that’s what she said…
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WookieMan
2023 May 12, 4:26pm
WookieMan
2023 May 12, 4:26pm
ForcedTQ says
I don't know. Looks like she had some work done (cosmetic) or is just getting older or thicker. Not sure. The video is funny and her deadpan humor is as well, she just looks different.
Still seems on the higher side of yes than no to me…
I don't know. Looks like she had some work done (cosmetic) or is just getting older or thicker. Not sure. The video is funny and her deadpan humor is as well, she just looks different.
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richwicks
2023 May 12, 7:57pm
richwicks
2023 May 12, 7:57pm
I was a vegetarian for 25 years, there is no such thing as a vegan, we MUST consume animal products to survive, either eggs or dairy. Vegans really do not exist.
I was a vegetarian because I grew up in a remote area and I knew animals (not in the biblical sense), and it's just terrible to think they are being created to be killed, however after a point, you realize they are being created at all. Killing an animal is just horrible. I'm not in the area of being separated from it, I am fully aware that when I buy a steak, that's a dead animal killed for my consumption.
It's a pity we can't just live off from sunlight and air.
Got a pet? How good do you feel about killing them? That's kind of how I view a cow or even a chicken. They all have personalities they are clearly not machines, they are clearly individuals with their own personalities, and it seems evil to kill them. They trust you. I might slip into being vegetarianism again. It doesn't make a difference though, but I do not like killing but everything dies. It is really a conundrum. My struggle with morality makes me human. Most people don't have this struggle, and I honestly question if I live among humans. They are entirely untroubled by evil from killing a cow to killing 800,000 people in Iraq.. I must be in hell.
I was a vegetarian because I grew up in a remote area and I knew animals (not in the biblical sense), and it's just terrible to think they are being created to be killed, however after a point, you realize they are being created at all. Killing an animal is just horrible. I'm not in the area of being separated from it, I am fully aware that when I buy a steak, that's a dead animal killed for my consumption.
It's a pity we can't just live off from sunlight and air.
Got a pet? How good do you feel about killing them? That's kind of how I view a cow or even a chicken. They all have personalities they are clearly not machines, they are clearly individuals with their own personalities, and it seems evil to kill them. They trust you. I might slip into being vegetarianism again. It doesn't make a difference though, but I do not like killing but everything dies. It is really a conundrum. My struggle with morality makes me human. Most people don't have this struggle, and I honestly question if I live among humans. They are entirely untroubled by evil from killing a cow to killing 800,000 people in Iraq.. I must be in hell.
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mell
2023 May 12, 8:34pm
richwicks says
When I walk the babies every day in the hood and I hear the fucking dogs growl, bark and charge behind the wooden fences (and sometimes across the street just a few feet away), which have more holes than swiss cheese, I salivate at the idea of shooting and serving them for dinner. No more cute dog stories. Animals in the wild would eat you instantly if they needed food. Including chicken. It's nature's cycle. At the end of the day worms eat us, with pleasure. The farmer who knows how to raise and kill chickens is living closer to nature and the natural order than any peta freak.
I was a vegetarian for 25 years, there is no such thing as a vegan, we MUST consume animal products to survive, either eggs or dairy. Vegans really do not exist.
I was a vegetarian because I grew up in a remote area and I knew animals (not in the biblical sense), and it's just terrible to think they are being created to be killed, however after a point, you realize they are being created at all. Killing an animal is just horrible. I'm not in the area of being separated fr (some text omitted to shorten quote...) learly individuals with there own peronsalities, and it seems evil to kill them. They trust you. I might slip into being vegetarian again. It doesn't make a difference though, but I do not like killing but everything dies. It is really a conundrum. My struggle with morality makes me human. Most people don't have this struggle, and I honestly question if I live among humans. They are entirely untroubled by evil from killing a cow to killing 800,000 people in Iraq.. I must be in hell.
When I walk the babies every day in the hood and I hear the fucking dogs growl, bark and charge behind the wooden fences (and sometimes across the street just a few feet away), which have more holes than swiss cheese, I salivate at the idea of shooting and serving them for dinner. No more cute dog stories. Animals in the wild would eat you instantly if they needed food. Including chicken. It's nature's cycle. At the end of the day worms eat us, with pleasure. The farmer who knows how to raise and kill chickens is living closer to nature and the natural order than any peta freak.
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richwicks
2023 May 12, 8:48pm
richwicks
2023 May 12, 8:48pm
mell says
When I did dog fostering and rescue I was the sucker of the group, and took in the most broken animals. The two I kept, were basically what nobody wanted.
PETA is bullshit. All they do is beg for money to supposedly fix a problem, when they have no intention of fixing the problem. 100% of the expenses are in advertisement. They don't have shelters, they don't push for alternative research, they are entirely cynical. They do nothing useful at all.
When I had my dogs, they just would want to meet you. They both started out with bad lives, and I sheltered them. Once I got them, they believed that every human being was a nice person that loved them, because that's all I allowed them to meet.
You argue this is "nature's cycle". You can have it. I want out of it.
When I walk the babies every day in the hood and I hear the fucking dogs growl, bark and charge behind the wooden fences (and sometimes across the street just a few feet away), which have more holes than swiss cheese, I salivate at the idea of shooting and serving them for dinner. No more cute dog stories. Animals in the wild would eat you instantly if they needed food. Including chicken. It's nature's cycle. At the end of the day worms eat us, with pleasure. The farmer who knows how to raise and kill chickens is living closer to nature and the natural order than any peta freak.
When I did dog fostering and rescue I was the sucker of the group, and took in the most broken animals. The two I kept, were basically what nobody wanted.
PETA is bullshit. All they do is beg for money to supposedly fix a problem, when they have no intention of fixing the problem. 100% of the expenses are in advertisement. They don't have shelters, they don't push for alternative research, they are entirely cynical. They do nothing useful at all.
When I had my dogs, they just would want to meet you. They both started out with bad lives, and I sheltered them. Once I got them, they believed that every human being was a nice person that loved them, because that's all I allowed them to meet.
You argue this is "nature's cycle". You can have it. I want out of it.
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mell
2023 May 12, 9:03pm
richwicks says
There are great dogs out there, no doubt. I just think it's a minority and it may be the owners fault. I think as long as people could hunt the meat they eat, eating meat is ok. But I agree it's not strictly necessary as long as you're vegetarian, not vegan.
When I did dog fostering and rescue I was the sucker of the group, and took in the most broken animals. The two I kept, were basically what nobody wanted.
PETA is bullshit. All they do is beg for money to supposedly fix a problem, when they have no intention of fixing the problem. 100% of the expenses are in advertisement. They don't have shelters, they don't push for alternative research, they are entirely cynical. They do nothing useful at all.
When I had my dogs, they just would want to meet you. They both started out with bad lives, and I sheltered them. Once I got them, they believed that every human being was a nice person that loved them, because that's all I allowed them to meet.
You argue this is "nature's cycle". You can have it. I want out of it.
There are great dogs out there, no doubt. I just think it's a minority and it may be the owners fault. I think as long as people could hunt the meat they eat, eating meat is ok. But I agree it's not strictly necessary as long as you're vegetarian, not vegan.
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richwicks
2023 May 13, 6:24am
richwicks
2023 May 13, 6:24am
mell says
There's no such thing as a vegan. They are as real as breatharians. You must consume some animal products. You cannot get B12 any other way.
But I agree it's not strictly necessary as long as you're vegetarian, not vegan.
There's no such thing as a vegan. They are as real as breatharians. You must consume some animal products. You cannot get B12 any other way.
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WookieMan
2023 May 13, 6:47am
WookieMan
2023 May 13, 6:47am
richwicks says
Who cares? Ever see a chef bash a trouts head in fly fishing in Montana so you can grill it up? Legal, but totally frowned upon. Guess what, it was amazing.
I simply don't care. I know vets of the ME wars that watched humans die. Does the fox kill the rabbit? It's nature. We have words and feelings but we're still animals regardless of the words we classify ourselves as. A polar bear is not thinking, oh, that's a nice guy I won't eat him. Plants are living too, they just don't have eyes or the "cute" animal look. They're fuck great cooked right.
I've never gotten the anti-meat eating crowd. I don't care about vitamins or it being a living creature. It tastes good and I don't die. Maybe I'm selfish. I do agree though that you can't be a vegan without a high percentage of dying from malnutrition or you're lying and eating stuff in private. I think it's the latter.
If you're a vegetarian, you don't want to be near my house tomorrow for Mothers Day. Outside of the mimosas, everything will be from an animal. I guess there are jalapeños. Theoretically still a living organism. Which is why I agree with Rich, no one can technically be a vegan. I'm a meathead. I don't like putting down dogs, but they know you. A cow or pig is a common idiot. There's no connection, though the 4H crowd here in IL would disagree, but still kill the things to make $4k on the processed cow/pig.
mell says
But I agree it's not strictly necessary as long as you're vegetarian, not vegan.
There's no such thing as a vegan. They are as real as breatharians. You must consume some animal products. You cannot get B12 any other way.
Who cares? Ever see a chef bash a trouts head in fly fishing in Montana so you can grill it up? Legal, but totally frowned upon. Guess what, it was amazing.
I simply don't care. I know vets of the ME wars that watched humans die. Does the fox kill the rabbit? It's nature. We have words and feelings but we're still animals regardless of the words we classify ourselves as. A polar bear is not thinking, oh, that's a nice guy I won't eat him. Plants are living too, they just don't have eyes or the "cute" animal look. They're fuck great cooked right.
I've never gotten the anti-meat eating crowd. I don't care about vitamins or it being a living creature. It tastes good and I don't die. Maybe I'm selfish. I do agree though that you can't be a vegan without a high percentage of dying from malnutrition or you're lying and eating stuff in private. I think it's the latter.
If you're a vegetarian, you don't want to be near my house tomorrow for Mothers Day. Outside of the mimosas, everything will be from an animal. I guess there are jalapeños. Theoretically still a living organism. Which is why I agree with Rich, no one can technically be a vegan. I'm a meathead. I don't like putting down dogs, but they know you. A cow or pig is a common idiot. There's no connection, though the 4H crowd here in IL would disagree, but still kill the things to make $4k on the processed cow/pig.
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Onvacation
2023 May 13, 7:42am
Onvacation
2023 May 13, 7:42am
richwicks says
In time, Don't rush it.
You argue this is "nature's cycle". You can have it. I want out of it.
In time, Don't rush it.
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richwicks
2023 May 13, 8:16am
richwicks
2023 May 13, 8:16am
RayAmerica says
You eat animal products, and if you actually don't, you'll be dead in 2 years. It's impossible for a human being to be vegan. We must consume animal products, either eggs or dairy, we don't have to kill but we need to consume animal byproducts.
I HATE the term 'vegan' and never use it to describe what I eat.
Having said that, changing to a nutritionally rich, plant based diet saved my life 15 years ago. I had a very serious heart condition that traditional medicine gave me 'at best 1-3 years' to live. Obviously, I'm still here, so I'd say it worked!
You eat animal products, and if you actually don't, you'll be dead in 2 years. It's impossible for a human being to be vegan. We must consume animal products, either eggs or dairy, we don't have to kill but we need to consume animal byproducts.
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richwicks
2023 May 13, 8:38am
richwicks
2023 May 13, 8:38am
Onvacation says
I'm well aware. There's people that revel in life, I feel I'm stuck in a nightmare of non thinking human beings, if they are even human. I'm not only constantly gaslit by my government and media, I can deal with that, but I have to hear it from neighbors and friends. "The unvaccinated are a threat to the vaccinated" - 90% of the population accepts this without question. I know a woman that was vaccinated, got covid, and got a booster because she "didn't want to go through that again".
I mean. ???????? Is this is a human being I'm talking with. Can't she logic? And it's not just her, it's everybody nearly.
I had to painfully point out that if the previous vaccination didn't prevent the disease, a booster wouldn't.
I fucking hate television. I need to stop associating with people that have that goddamned propaganda panel in their home.
richwicks says
You argue this is "nature's cycle". You can have it. I want out of it.
In time, Don't rush it.
I'm well aware. There's people that revel in life, I feel I'm stuck in a nightmare of non thinking human beings, if they are even human. I'm not only constantly gaslit by my government and media, I can deal with that, but I have to hear it from neighbors and friends. "The unvaccinated are a threat to the vaccinated" - 90% of the population accepts this without question. I know a woman that was vaccinated, got covid, and got a booster because she "didn't want to go through that again".
I mean. ???????? Is this is a human being I'm talking with. Can't she logic? And it's not just her, it's everybody nearly.
I had to painfully point out that if the previous vaccination didn't prevent the disease, a booster wouldn't.
I fucking hate television. I need to stop associating with people that have that goddamned propaganda panel in their home.
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mell
2023 May 13, 8:54am
richwicks says
TV has useful features. It was meant to provide entertainment. It's valuable for babies to occasionally put on a baby Einstein show or so to keep them at bay. It's good for streaming movies or shows occasionally. Just not to get news or any reliable information, just fiction/entertainment.
I'm well aware. There's people that revel in life, I feel I'm stuck in a nightmare of non thinking human beings, if they are even human. I'm not only constantly gaslit by my government and media, I can deal with that, but I have to hear it from neighbors and friends. "The unvaccinated are a threat to the vaccinated" - 90% of the population accepts this without question. I know a woman that was vaccinated, got covid, and got a booster because she "didn't want to go through that again".
I mean. ???????? Is this is a human being I'm talking with. Can't they logic?
I had to painfully point out that if the previous vaccination didn't prevent the disease, a booster wouldn't.
I fucking hate television. I need to stop associating with people that have that goddamned propaganda panel in their home.
TV has useful features. It was meant to provide entertainment. It's valuable for babies to occasionally put on a baby Einstein show or so to keep them at bay. It's good for streaming movies or shows occasionally. Just not to get news or any reliable information, just fiction/entertainment.
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richwicks
2023 May 13, 8:59am
richwicks
2023 May 13, 8:59am
mell says
No. Philo Farnsworth invented the television to be an educational tool, not an entertainment medium.
Farnsworth rejected his own invention. When his son asked why they didn't have a television, he is reported to have said:
And he was absolutely correct in that. It's poison. It distorts the mind. Consider any sitcom television show, you wouldn't laugh at the person or be silent, you'd likely beat them to death. Television is what tells us everything from what is socially acceptable, to what we should want and own, to what wars we should support. It's the worst invention ever, but it didn't need to be, but that was what it was turned into.
I'm telling you, it's a poison.
TV has useful features. It was meant to provide entertainment. It's valuable for babies to occasionally put on a baby Einstein show or so to keep them at bay. It's good for streaming movies or shows occasionally. Just not to get news or any reliable information, just fiction/entertainment.
No. Philo Farnsworth invented the television to be an educational tool, not an entertainment medium.
Farnsworth rejected his own invention. When his son asked why they didn't have a television, he is reported to have said:
There's nothing on it worthwhile, and we're not going to watch it in this household, and I don't want it in your intellectual diet.
And he was absolutely correct in that. It's poison. It distorts the mind. Consider any sitcom television show, you wouldn't laugh at the person or be silent, you'd likely beat them to death. Television is what tells us everything from what is socially acceptable, to what we should want and own, to what wars we should support. It's the worst invention ever, but it didn't need to be, but that was what it was turned into.
I'm telling you, it's a poison.
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mell
2023 May 13, 12:25pm
richwicks says
I don't care what he invented it for, many countries had plenty of good weekend family shows back then, or their own crime/adventure shows the nation was watching (non pedowood stuff), those were actually a net positive for the nations. It's also occasionally good for kids, sesame street used to be educational only and free of pedo trannyfag shit. It always depends on what you make out of it and what you use it for. It's never the technology, it's what you use it for. Even mrna tech should be studied for research in deadly illnesses, it may be useful in a few conditions, just not for colds, and not delivering maiming spike proteins.
And he was absolutely correct in that. It's poison. It distorts the mind. Consider any sitcom television show, you wouldn't laugh at the person or be silent, you'd likely beat them to death. Television is what tells us everything from what is socially acceptable, to what we should want and own, to what wars we should support. It's the worst invention ever, but it didn't need to be, but that was what it was turned into.
I'm telling you, it's a poison.
I don't care what he invented it for, many countries had plenty of good weekend family shows back then, or their own crime/adventure shows the nation was watching (non pedowood stuff), those were actually a net positive for the nations. It's also occasionally good for kids, sesame street used to be educational only and free of pedo trannyfag shit. It always depends on what you make out of it and what you use it for. It's never the technology, it's what you use it for. Even mrna tech should be studied for research in deadly illnesses, it may be useful in a few conditions, just not for colds, and not delivering maiming spike proteins.
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HeadSet
2023 May 13, 12:47pm
HeadSet
2023 May 13, 12:47pm
mell says
Correct -just like movies, sports arenas, and live theater. After all, TV is just a way to get movies, newsreels, sports, and theater into your home. Good or bad depends on content.
TV has useful features. It was meant to provide entertainment.
Correct -just like movies, sports arenas, and live theater. After all, TV is just a way to get movies, newsreels, sports, and theater into your home. Good or bad depends on content.
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mell
2023 May 13, 1:07pm
HeadSet says
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derrick_(TV_series)
One of the most successful TV shows in history. No woke shit, no unnecessary gore, just good ole detective TV
mell says
TV has useful features. It was meant to provide entertainment.
Correct -just like movies, sports arenas, and live theater. After all, TV is just a way to get movies, newsreels, sports, and theater into your home. Good or bad depends on content.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Derrick_(TV_series)
One of the most successful TV shows in history. No woke shit, no unnecessary gore, just good ole detective TV
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Blue
2023 May 13, 3:11pm
richwicks says
Are you sure, I thought B12 is mostly made by microbes in dirt not by either animals or plants. Animals get it by eating food that contains them. B12 generally found in root vegetables in contact with the dirt.
https://generationiron.com/vitamin-b12-plant-based-diet/
https://www.peacefuldumpling.com/vitamin-b12-eat-your-dirt
mell says
But I agree it's not strictly necessary as long as you're vegetarian, not vegan.
There's no such thing as a vegan. They are as real as breatharians. You must consume some animal products. You cannot get B12 any other way.
Are you sure, I thought B12 is mostly made by microbes in dirt not by either animals or plants. Animals get it by eating food that contains them. B12 generally found in root vegetables in contact with the dirt.
https://generationiron.com/vitamin-b12-plant-based-diet/
https://www.peacefuldumpling.com/vitamin-b12-eat-your-dirt
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mell
2023 Aug 20, 10:37am
Patrick says
All animals are fair game to eat. It's nature. Humans are the only species even engaging in the thought and practice of humane killing of food. Animals will hunt, torture and kill their prey just for entertainment. Not a judgement, just a fact. That includes dogs hunting wabbits and cats torturing birds they injured enough so they can corner them ;)
All animals are fair game to eat. It's nature. Humans are the only species even engaging in the thought and practice of humane killing of food. Animals will hunt, torture and kill their prey just for entertainment. Not a judgement, just a fact. That includes dogs hunting wabbits and cats torturing birds they injured enough so they can corner them ;)
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PeopleUnited
2023 Aug 20, 11:18am
All babies want to live, where do the PETA /prodeath crowd draw the line?
PeopleUnited
2023 Aug 20, 11:18am
All babies want to live, where do the PETA /prodeath crowd draw the line?
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WookieMan
2023 Aug 20, 11:46am
WookieMan
2023 Aug 20, 11:46am
Patrick says
Old comment, but I think it's just bull shit. I eat plenty of meat (food). I weigh currently what I did senior year in high school at 40. I can work physically for 10-12 hours without a break.
I don't think people understand time that well. 1823 was not that long ago. People (men) would wake up, farm, hunt, gather, etc. They weren't eating a McMuffin and then having a 30 minute lunch and then maybe they'd come home to a dinner the wife made. No, they woke up, worked and ate when they got done. Or they died.
Humanity doesn't exist without eating meat. To even call it an argument means you shouldn't exist in my world. Honestly if you're planning your food for the day like most vegans have to you're an idiot and likely a fickle/weak human. Besides Sundays or vacation, I just eat dinner. Take vitamins so I'm not lacking anything I need. I also get to eat and drink what I want and I still lose weight. I hate the term intermittent fasting. It's called doing what most men used to do, hell even women. In the past you couldn't think about eating or had the time. You had to survive and do things to eat the next meal.
Old comment, but I think it's just bull shit. I eat plenty of meat (food). I weigh currently what I did senior year in high school at 40. I can work physically for 10-12 hours without a break.
I don't think people understand time that well. 1823 was not that long ago. People (men) would wake up, farm, hunt, gather, etc. They weren't eating a McMuffin and then having a 30 minute lunch and then maybe they'd come home to a dinner the wife made. No, they woke up, worked and ate when they got done. Or they died.
Humanity doesn't exist without eating meat. To even call it an argument means you shouldn't exist in my world. Honestly if you're planning your food for the day like most vegans have to you're an idiot and likely a fickle/weak human. Besides Sundays or vacation, I just eat dinner. Take vitamins so I'm not lacking anything I need. I also get to eat and drink what I want and I still lose weight. I hate the term intermittent fasting. It's called doing what most men used to do, hell even women. In the past you couldn't think about eating or had the time. You had to survive and do things to eat the next meal.
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stereotomy
2023 Aug 21, 1:53pm
stereotomy
2023 Aug 21, 1:53pm
I'm down to one meal a day (OMAD); when I eat, it's 100% grass-fed beef with lots of other fats (cheese, bacon) along with potatoes/tubers. There's something to be said for being in tune to your body, After I feed, I feel a pleasurable sensation which signifies to me that my body is saying "Thanks, I really needed this."
I ask any vegetarian/vegan while I'm pointing to my canine teeth, "If we're supposed to be vegetarians, then what are these teeth for?"
Hell, even Indian women know that when they are pregnant or nursing, they have to eat animal protein. These are people who have practiced vegetarianism for over a thousand years.
I ask any vegetarian/vegan while I'm pointing to my canine teeth, "If we're supposed to be vegetarians, then what are these teeth for?"
Hell, even Indian women know that when they are pregnant or nursing, they have to eat animal protein. These are people who have practiced vegetarianism for over a thousand years.
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Shaman
2023 Aug 21, 2:52pm
Shaman
2023 Aug 21, 2:52pm
I’ve been eating bacon every morning for a year and a half.
My BP is down to 120/78.
Screw “modern nutrition!”
I do eat a fair bit of veg and fruit.
My BP is down to 120/78.
Screw “modern nutrition!”
I do eat a fair bit of veg and fruit.
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richwicks
2023 Aug 21, 4:29pm
richwicks
2023 Aug 21, 4:29pm
Shaman says
Haha, I don't think bacon is the best for you.
I eat eggs all the time. I was a vegetarian for 25 years, doesn't make any difference. Since NOT becoming a vegetarian again, I just eat less.
Veganism is impossible by the way, it's an ideal you cannot attain. Speaking from my former side, it's just kind of awful to kill an animal. I've done it, I don't like it, but from my current vantage point, everything dies, and the most humane way to kill a person or animal, is to murder them. The most humane way to live if you eat meat, is to hunt which is paradoxical because we are taught this is cruelty - it's anything but.
Deer running through the forest, blow its brains out. Let it live out its full life, and it will be weak and old, and being torn apart by wolves or dying of disease, suffering, slow agony of death.
I used to do dog rescue, the whole point is to preserve their life. I still had to kill my dogs. I could have let them die naturally, if I was a fucking asshole. There's a point where it's much more moral, and compassionate, to release them. I don't think death should be feared, but it should be as painless as possible. I am troubled to this day about what my dogs felt as their heart stopped. I'll go through a more painful death than them, certainly. Well, unless I commit suicide.
I’ve been eating bacon every morning for a year and a half.
My BP is down to 120/78.
Screw “modern nutrition!”
I do eat a fair bit of veg and fruit.
Haha, I don't think bacon is the best for you.
I eat eggs all the time. I was a vegetarian for 25 years, doesn't make any difference. Since NOT becoming a vegetarian again, I just eat less.
Veganism is impossible by the way, it's an ideal you cannot attain. Speaking from my former side, it's just kind of awful to kill an animal. I've done it, I don't like it, but from my current vantage point, everything dies, and the most humane way to kill a person or animal, is to murder them. The most humane way to live if you eat meat, is to hunt which is paradoxical because we are taught this is cruelty - it's anything but.
Deer running through the forest, blow its brains out. Let it live out its full life, and it will be weak and old, and being torn apart by wolves or dying of disease, suffering, slow agony of death.
I used to do dog rescue, the whole point is to preserve their life. I still had to kill my dogs. I could have let them die naturally, if I was a fucking asshole. There's a point where it's much more moral, and compassionate, to release them. I don't think death should be feared, but it should be as painless as possible. I am troubled to this day about what my dogs felt as their heart stopped. I'll go through a more painful death than them, certainly. Well, unless I commit suicide.
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mell
2023 Aug 21, 4:52pm
richwicks says
Why? You could die in your sleep, still happens to some these days
I'll go through a more painful death than them, certainly. Well, unless I commit suicide.
Why? You could die in your sleep, still happens to some these days
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richwicks
2023 Aug 21, 5:08pm
richwicks
2023 Aug 21, 5:08pm
mell says
I don't think dying in your sleep is necessarily easy. I don't know, never died before.
It's likely I will get very old, very fragile, lose my mind, and suffer for years. I've seen many people die in my family, it's not pleasant. I had a great uncle that got to over 100 years old. He was blind and ultimately deaf, had no idea where he was, or who was with him. He starved himself to death, just quit eating after a point.
Longevity runs in my family. It's a curse. You think it's a blessing, but it's not.
The older I get, if I was still a Catholic, the more I think this is just purgatory. Rationally, I'm a materialist, and I consider myself a meat robot - that my brain creates this concept of a "permanent self" and that doesn't exist, it's just an illusion.
richwicks says
I'll go through a more painful death than them, certainly. Well, unless I commit suicide.
Why? You could die in your sleep, still happens to some these days
I don't think dying in your sleep is necessarily easy. I don't know, never died before.
It's likely I will get very old, very fragile, lose my mind, and suffer for years. I've seen many people die in my family, it's not pleasant. I had a great uncle that got to over 100 years old. He was blind and ultimately deaf, had no idea where he was, or who was with him. He starved himself to death, just quit eating after a point.
Longevity runs in my family. It's a curse. You think it's a blessing, but it's not.
The older I get, if I was still a Catholic, the more I think this is just purgatory. Rationally, I'm a materialist, and I consider myself a meat robot - that my brain creates this concept of a "permanent self" and that doesn't exist, it's just an illusion.
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Patrick
2023 Aug 21, 5:11pm
Patrick
2023 Aug 21, 5:11pm
I've got a Killelea cousin who's 103 and in fine shape. I just visited him in May.
He still works on his house, cleaning the gutters while standing on a ladder, etc.
He still works on his house, cleaning the gutters while standing on a ladder, etc.
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mell
2023 Aug 21, 6:00pm
richwicks says
How do you explain your self-consciousness and that of others, clearly distinct? Why are you you?
The older I get, if I was still a Catholic, the more I think this is just purgatory. Rationally, I'm a materialist, and I consider myself a meat robot - that my brain creates this concept of a "permanent self" and that doesn't exist, it's just an illusion
How do you explain your self-consciousness and that of others, clearly distinct? Why are you you?
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richwicks
2023 Aug 21, 6:08pm
richwicks
2023 Aug 21, 6:08pm
mell says
Learning? Exposure to ideas? Education? I can't say.
I can't say in the same way I can't say who I was in 1960, because I didn't exist then. I'll doubt I'll exist in 2160. Dust to dust.
My viewpoint is that it's amazing I can think or experience anything at all, and I may just be a meat robot. How does even a proton exist? It's very mysterious that anything exists at all. It's dumbfounding. When you dive down into the complexities of it, it's very mysterious how ANYTHING exists at all.
What do you define as god? That which created us? Well, that exists, but I don't know anything about it, or at least, VERY LITTLE about it. I can't assume it's an intelligent thinking creator. I was indoctrinated into that belief, but I don't think it's true. Something created us, and if you define that as "god", fine I'll agree, but beyond that - is it self aware, can it think, does it have a purpose for us? I have no idea.
And, BTW - I'm not certain I even HAVE consciousness, it may be an illusion. I seem to have it, but how to define it? I may just be acting out a role of physics, and I have no free will, and what I do, I've been destined to do since the beginning of time. I don't know.
We cannot make a machine that has awareness. Isn't that interesting? We can build a machine that has as many neurons as we do (in simulated form) but I don't think it's aware, but how can I tell?
When I was a kid, our reverend told the parishioner's that animals didn't have souls. I remember that shocking me. Animals are as self directed as we are, it's obvious they are. Ever pet a dog, play with a cat? Pet a cow, scritch a sheep? They are alive. They think and react and they have emotional states, they can be happy, or sad, they can have emotional states totally alien to us. When a dog howls, why? It's unhappy, happy, forlorn, lonely? I have no idea. It's an emotional state I cannot access, and that's interesting. Nobody knows why a dog or wolf howls.
There's things on this earth, that can experience what is entirely inaccessible to us. I had Samoyeds, I'd encourage them to howl, but I don't understand it. They are in some sort of state of mindset I cannot access. It's interesting, but they all have it.
I can't explain a dog's awareness. Neither can you. Isn't that interesting? But I'm aware of this. Such a mystery. I don't appeal to religion, but I do admit existence is fascinating. That anything can exist, is perplexing. But at the same time I don't know if consciousness really exists, I might just be a colony of cells, a swarm like a colony of bees, they act like a single organism. Maybe society has a consciousness of its own. Maybe we're a swarm, maybe the swarm is all of humanity, all of living things on Earth, maybe more? Who knows?
How do you explain your self-consciousness and that of others, clearly distinct? Why are you you?
Learning? Exposure to ideas? Education? I can't say.
I can't say in the same way I can't say who I was in 1960, because I didn't exist then. I'll doubt I'll exist in 2160. Dust to dust.
My viewpoint is that it's amazing I can think or experience anything at all, and I may just be a meat robot. How does even a proton exist? It's very mysterious that anything exists at all. It's dumbfounding. When you dive down into the complexities of it, it's very mysterious how ANYTHING exists at all.
What do you define as god? That which created us? Well, that exists, but I don't know anything about it, or at least, VERY LITTLE about it. I can't assume it's an intelligent thinking creator. I was indoctrinated into that belief, but I don't think it's true. Something created us, and if you define that as "god", fine I'll agree, but beyond that - is it self aware, can it think, does it have a purpose for us? I have no idea.
And, BTW - I'm not certain I even HAVE consciousness, it may be an illusion. I seem to have it, but how to define it? I may just be acting out a role of physics, and I have no free will, and what I do, I've been destined to do since the beginning of time. I don't know.
We cannot make a machine that has awareness. Isn't that interesting? We can build a machine that has as many neurons as we do (in simulated form) but I don't think it's aware, but how can I tell?
When I was a kid, our reverend told the parishioner's that animals didn't have souls. I remember that shocking me. Animals are as self directed as we are, it's obvious they are. Ever pet a dog, play with a cat? Pet a cow, scritch a sheep? They are alive. They think and react and they have emotional states, they can be happy, or sad, they can have emotional states totally alien to us. When a dog howls, why? It's unhappy, happy, forlorn, lonely? I have no idea. It's an emotional state I cannot access, and that's interesting. Nobody knows why a dog or wolf howls.
There's things on this earth, that can experience what is entirely inaccessible to us. I had Samoyeds, I'd encourage them to howl, but I don't understand it. They are in some sort of state of mindset I cannot access. It's interesting, but they all have it.
I can't explain a dog's awareness. Neither can you. Isn't that interesting? But I'm aware of this. Such a mystery. I don't appeal to religion, but I do admit existence is fascinating. That anything can exist, is perplexing. But at the same time I don't know if consciousness really exists, I might just be a colony of cells, a swarm like a colony of bees, they act like a single organism. Maybe society has a consciousness of its own. Maybe we're a swarm, maybe the swarm is all of humanity, all of living things on Earth, maybe more? Who knows?
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AmericanKulak
2023 Aug 22, 12:30am
AmericanKulak
2023 Aug 22, 12:30am
WookieMan says
No, they made their own schedule.
If they wanted to sit at 11 and eat for an hour and half, they did that. Then worked till the sun went down. No boss, no clock. If they felt like sitting down and smoking a pipe or cigar, they did that, "You already had your 15 minute break, Amos." bullshit.
Life before Carnegie and Taylorism for most.
No, they woke up, worked and ate when they got done. Or they died.
No, they made their own schedule.
If they wanted to sit at 11 and eat for an hour and half, they did that. Then worked till the sun went down. No boss, no clock. If they felt like sitting down and smoking a pipe or cigar, they did that, "You already had your 15 minute break, Amos." bullshit.
Life before Carnegie and Taylorism for most.
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richwicks
2023 Aug 22, 2:06am
richwicks
2023 Aug 22, 2:06am
AmericanKulak says
We don't know, but we can record actual history now, if we can preserve it.
I'm looking for an indelible storage mechanism. You find it, I'll make you rich and I mean that. It's not DVD, it's not hard drives. You give me a permanent data storage mechanism, and I'll make you rich. Seriously. Closest thing I've come to it is 5D crystal memory storage.
WookieMan says
No, they woke up, worked and ate when they got done. Or they died.
No, they made their own schedule.
If they wanted to sit at 11 and eat for an hour and half, they did that. Then worked till the sun went down. No boss, no clock. If they felt like sitting down and smoking a pipe or cigar, they did that, "You already had your 15 minute break, Amos." bullshit.
Life before Carnegie and Taylorism for most.
We don't know, but we can record actual history now, if we can preserve it.
I'm looking for an indelible storage mechanism. You find it, I'll make you rich and I mean that. It's not DVD, it's not hard drives. You give me a permanent data storage mechanism, and I'll make you rich. Seriously. Closest thing I've come to it is 5D crystal memory storage.
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