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mell says

AmericanKulak says

It's the UMC. They just fell apart over gay.

@Mell (I think you're a or were a Methodist?) will correct me if wrong, but Homosexuality is literally prohibited in the founding manual of Methodism, and in that manual it states if the Church accepts Abominations, it's time to form a new Church and leave/destroy the old.

The conservative faction will be known as the Global Methodist Church, by the way. The UMC Lesbians are probably stealing what they can and keep delaying the next worldwide meeting.

I'm Roman Catholic and the stance of the Catholic church bis clear. Most if not all (Christian) churches promote the nuclear family and having kids, so naturally they should all be opposed.

Thanks Mell. My red lines are: Absolutely no female clerics, no replacement theory, and Mary is just a woman, though blessed, just a person. So RC and Methodism generally is out.

Oh, and Jesus ate with the sinners to convince them, not to tolerate their sins as valid.

Although I admire Bishop Sheen as well as Whitfield and the Wesleys.

AmericanKulak says

mell says

AmericanKulak says

It's the UMC. They just fell apart over gay.

@Mell (I think you're a or were a Methodist?) will correct me if wrong, but Homosexuality is literally prohibited in the founding manual of Methodism, and in that manual it states if the Church accepts Abominations, it's time to form a new Church and leave/destroy the old.

The conservative faction will be known as the Global Methodist Church, by the way. The UMC Lesbians are probably stealing what they can and keep delaying the next worldwide meeting.

I'm Roman Catholic and the stance of the Catholic church bis clear. Most if not all (Christian) churches promote the nuclear family and having kids, so naturally they should all be opposed.

Thank...

Agreed. The one thing I do struggle with is the no abortion on rape. Of course one would think that one of the first things a woman would make sure after a horrific rape is to take the plan b pill to not even become pregnant from the rapist, but it's difficult to argue when you consider a real rape (not the fake mattress girl type) and the mental status and trauma. But church is not here to be like the government or "everyone else", otherwise its existence would be pointless.

mell says

The one thing I do struggle with is the no abortion on rape.

I think the solution to this problem is an extremely well funded organization to provide the absolute best care and comfort for those raped.

KgK one says

They cloned sheep in 2000s , means by now they might have human clones. China or US, all secret project. Clones however are not perfect, and may be very confused about sexuality. All this LGBT awareness may be to get everyone used to all the gayness that will be coming up

I'm certain human beings have been cloned at this point, but maybe not to full development.

The problem with cloning mammals is they have a reduced lifespan because of the shorter telomeres. These are repeating patterns at the end of chromosomes that don't encode for anything. Every time a cell duplicates, a portion of the telomere does NOT get copied. This causes our aging it's though.

The telomeres prevent cells from being immortal and from dividing uncontrollably - when this happens, you get cancer.

Dolly the sheep died an early death, because when it was born, it was already effectively 1/2 way through its life span.

AmericanKulak says

Jesus ate with the sinners to convince them

This is where I part ways with him.

I will never sit with people like Anthony Fauci before socking their lights out!

I'm sorry but when you sit with scumbags, you only justify their ways. It's the old adage ... if you cuddle with dogs, don't be surprised if you catch fleas.

AmericanKulak says

Homosexuality is literally prohibited in the founding manual of Methodism, and in that manual it states if the Church accepts Abominations, it's time to form a new Church and leave/destroy the old.

Any chance you have more information on this?

Rin says

AmericanKulak says

Jesus ate with the sinners to convince them

This is where I part ways with him.

I will never sit with people like Anthony Fauci before socking their lights out!

I'm sorry but when you sit with scumbags, you only justify their ways. It's the old adage ... if you cuddle with dogs, don't be surprised if you catch fleas.

yep in the bible its simply… “you get like those around you”. taught that to my daughter so she avoids bad crowds.

WineHorror1 says

Any chance you have more information on this?

I don't have the resource, but you might find this in depth interview with two Nigerian Bishops, and how the UMC LGBTQ+ have been trying to sneak homosexuality in through the back door for a very long time. One of their tricks was to try to regionalize homosexuality only, so the US division could officiate gay weddings and have gay clerics:

https://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/headlines/475587-interview-ill-quit-methodist-church-if-it-accepts-same-sex-marriage-nigerian-bishop.html

Note the split isn't finalized; these clerics will probably join Global Methodist Church.

UPDATE: It's more convoluted than I remember it. Arguments about Confessions, Articles of Faith, etc. "Church Law" usually put me to sleep, but here it is if you're interested:
https://juicyecumenism.com/2017/10/24/case-closed-affirming-homosexual-practice-irreconcilably-contrary-core-united-methodist-doctrine/

I guess, it’s part of just be in line with the rest. I have been seeing rainbow flag for almost a year at my neighborhood church. I am afraid this US made up stuff may spread out and spoil the world.

"Just be a vaguely nice person according to the standard of this time and based on peer pressure. That's all the Bible is about. Also, ban guns." - The Bible according to Woke Churches.

AmericanKulak says

"Just be a vaguely nice person according to the standard of this time and based on peer pressure. That's all the Bible is about. Also, ban guns." - The Bible according to Woke Churches.

yeah thats the culture, anything goes mentality, all morality subjective.

The priests have always been gay, they are just expressing their true selves now.

Rin says

Jesus ate with the sinners to convince them

This is where I part ways with him.

Let’s be honest here Rin, you part ways with Jesus at the first 10 commandments. God love you, but let’s not pretend you are righteous and Jesus is not based on who you are interested in dining with.

With all due respect I agree with and appreciate your passion for standing up against injustice and murderers like Fauci, but you must understand that when Jesus ate with “sinners” it means he ate with people like you and me, and was not interested in schmoozing with the Pharisees and Sadducees (the modern equivalent of pope and bishops and religious professionals).

mell says

the stance of the Catholic church is clear

I just heard about this today:

https://www.brighteon.com/d87c291d-ab32-4de2-841b-d2b75329ee5e

Pope Francis appoints pro-LGBT clergy to key Vatican posts

PeopleUnited says

Let’s be honest here Rin, you part ways with Jesus at the first 10 commandments. God love you, but let’s not pretend you are righteous and Jesus is not based on who you are interested in dining with.

Actually, I'm authentic. Righteousness has nothing to do with it.

So let's go over the 10Cs

:You shall have no other gods before Me.

If he's the creator of the universe then it's logical that I acknowledge this and thus, no need for a moon deity like Allah.

:You shall make no idols.

I have no statues in my home.

:You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain.

And when have I ever quoted him ... for my own glory?

:Keep the Sabbath day holy.

Sorry, but that's a scheduling issue. I can't just make a random day of the week, free of work.

:Honor your father and your mother.

My dad has narcissistic personality disorder. Honor that and you're just like him. Remember the remark about dogs & fleas.

:You shall not murder.

So far, so good

:You shall not commit adultery.

I'm single & thus, adultery has nothing to do with it.

:You shall not steal.

So far, so good.

:You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

So far, so good.

:You shall not covet.

I've already made some money. So no. I don't need to covet money.

https://slaynews.com/news/five-tampa-bay-rays-players-refuse-to-wear-lgbt-logo-on-uniforms-over-religious-beliefs/

Tampa Bay Rays Players Refuse to Wear Gay Pride Logo on Uniforms Due to Religious Beliefs

Five Tampa Bay Rays baseball players have refused to wear the gay pride logo on their uniforms because of their religious beliefs.

Major League Baseball pitchers Jason Adam, Jalen Beeks, Brooks Raley, Jeffrey Springs, and Ryan Thompson said they accept everyone and don’t “look down on anybody.”

However, refused to wear the new uniforms Saturday when the team wore rainbow-colored sleeve patches.

“So it’s a hard decision,” Jason Adam said.

“Because ultimately we all said what we want is them to know that all are welcome and loved here.

“But when we put it on our bodies, I think a lot of guys decided that it’s just a lifestyle that maybe — not that they look down on anybody or think differently — it’s just that maybe we don’t want to encourage it.

It's a start, but they should not be so apologetic.

Patrick says

mell says

the stance of the Catholic church is clear

I just heard about this today:

https://www.brighteon.com/d87c291d-ab32-4de2-841b-d2b75329ee5e

Pope Francis appoints pro-LGBT clergy to key Vatican posts

Oh I'm sure Francis is trying to "change" that. But even our old catholic church/parish in SF is not giving an inch to aborters and sodomites

Rin says

Actually, I'm authentic. Righteousness has nothing to do with it.

So let's go over the 10Cs

We could debate line by line, (did you deliberately skip the part about honoring father and mother because of an imperfect father?) but Jesus did talk to a wealthy man who responded just like you...

Matthew 19:16 And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?

17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,

19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?

21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

22 But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.

23 Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.

24 And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.

25 When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved?

26 But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

Do you think Jesus is impressed by keeping the commandments? No, I don’t think he is.

I Timothy 1:9Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers, 10For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine; 11According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God,

I would not describe your character as authentic, but rather as consistent and genuine. Those are good qualities. But I would expect that a real doll qualifies as a (modern) statue, just sayin. It is possible to be genuine and consistent and still need a savior.

Rin says

You shall not covet.

I've already made some money. So no. I don't need to covet money.

Coveting isn't only about $$.

PeopleUnited says

still need a savior.

This is a topic for another thread but most people are channelers. And thus, nothing can save 'em. Immanuel Swedenborg was a conscious one, others do it unconsciously.

PeopleUnited says

honoring father and mother because of an imperfect father?

If Joe Stalin was my dad, I'd most definitely dishonor him.

PeopleUnited says

real doll qualifies as a (modern) statue

Well, then it should be on prominent display in my living room but instead, it's housed in a closet, just like the vacuum cleaner. Otherwise, all our appliances are idols.

https://spectator.org/methodist-church-first-drag-queen-pastor-god-is-nothing/

Rin says

still need a savior.

This is a topic for another thread but most people are channelers. And thus, nothing can save 'em. Immanuel Swedenborg was a conscious one, others do it unconsciously.

I’m not much of a channeler, don’t waste my time on TV, but I do like movies. A good one I saw recently is God’s Not Dead.

Rin says

If Joe Stalin was my dad, I'd most definitely dishonor him.

If Joe was my dad I’d probably be dead. He would not like what I had to say to him.

WineHorror1 says

real doll qualifies as a (modern) statue

Well, then it should be on prominent display in my living room but instead, it's housed in a closet, just like the vacuum cleaner. Otherwise, all our appliances are idols.

A lot of people keep their idols in the closet. Garage, bank account, Marina, etc... there are many forms of idolatry.

Well, I do have to say that they are sticking to their principles.

Ironically Muslims showed a lot more backbone than Christians when it comes to protecting their faith.

PeopleUnited says

Rin says

If Joe Stalin was my dad, I'd most definitely dishonor him.

If Joe was my dad I’d probably be dead. He would not like what I had to say to him.

Ok, so let's roll back the clock a few more centuries. Genghis Khan raped 1000s of women around the globe. If you were of those anointed first generation 1K descendants of the Great Khan, would you honor the world's greatest conqueror or treat him like some psychopathic scourge on the planet?

FYI, many of us today are his nth level descendants.

PeopleUnited says

Well, then it should be on prominent display in my living room but instead, it's housed in a closet, just like the vacuum cleaner. Otherwise, all our appliances are idols.

A lot of people keep their idols in the closet. Garage, bank account, Marina, etc... there are many forms of idolatry.

That's a misdirection & you know it because the term idolatry is about worship, not maintaining one's appliances. If so, then Jack Nicklaus worships his golf clubs. The bricklayer worships cement. The bread maker worships his baking flour or yeast. No, they maintain their tools for their lives' work. I boink and thus, maintain a tool for that purpose. I do not worship, nor did I pick (nor customize) a model which looked like my ex-GF from a decade ago.

I explained the above to American Kukak (or one of his other monikers) to make that piece clear.

Rin says

Genghis Khan raped 1000s of women

Your point is well taken, the command to honor your parents does not imply that a child is bound to serve a parent who is a servant of the devil. But even a parent who is severely flawed yet despite their flaws honors their obligation to their children, is worthy of honor. That just means to be thankful follow their lead as they follow God, and provide for their needs as you are able in their old age.

FortWayneAsNancyPelosiHaircut says

idolatry is about worship

Actually it is more broad than worship. Colossians expounded upon the concept of idolatry.
Colossians 3:5

Therefore consider the members of your earthly body as dead to immorality, impurity, passion, evil desire, and greed, which amounts to idolatry.

PeopleUnited says

Therefore consider the members of your earthly body as dead to immorality, impurity, passion, evil desire, and greed, which amounts to idolatry.

And then we have this quote ...

1 Corinthians 10:20-22 ... "Or do we provoke the Lord to jealousy?"

So the creator of universe, whose life force exists in all living beings & thus, no one's thoughts, emotions, etc, can even persist without him, falls into a state of jealousy, a base human emotion (& a loser one for that).

That's not the sign of the greatest force of the universe but some inter-dimensional entity which is not distinguishable to any angelic or demonic entity out there.

Which brings back the original question ... are Jack Nicklaus's golf clubs an idol? Should he even play golf, since it's based upon human passion ... one your Colossians 3:5 deadly sins?

Should Jack Nicklaus simply be a street cleaner for his hometown until his death, even though he's capable of playing golf? And what's being a street cleaner other than a servant for his local town hall? Is that really what the (non-denominational: universal force) or God wants for him?

Rin says

Is that really what God wants for him?

God’s will for every person is that they be converted from a sinner under the curse of sin and death and change into a new creature in Christ.

2 Corinthians 5:17 Context

“14For the love of Christ constraineth us; because we thus judge, that if one died for all, then were all dead: 15And that he died for all, that they which live should not henceforth live unto themselves, but unto him which died for them, and rose again. 16Wherefore henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, yet now henceforth know we him no more. 17Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new. 18And all things are of God, who hath reconciled us to himself by Jesus Christ, and hath given to us the ministry of reconciliation; 19To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation. 20Now then we are ambassadors for Christ, as though God did beseech you by us: we pray you in Christ's stead, be ye reconciled to God.”

So unless the Golden Bear has been converted, everything that stands between him and God is an idol. Once he is converted God will let Jack know if he should continue playing golf or make a change.

PeopleUnited says

So unless the Golden Bear has been converted, everything that stands between him and God is an idol. Once he is converted God will let Jack know if he should continue playing golf or make a change.

Sounds more like entity possession to me.

Nothing can exist w/o God (or the Supreme Being or Universal 'whatever' for the lack of a better set of terms).

And thus, if the Golden Bear was to play golf, then that was his destiny regardless of whether or not he joined your denomination. And would he continue to play golf afterwards, heck, it's a job so why not? And if that's his true talent (which most would suspect) then why instead, be a street cleaner or run the charity fund for some denomination when his own charity work makes much more money for the needy w/o them needing to convert to a particular church? And at the same time, it coaches others on how to play golf as a benefit as well.

Swedenborg also believed that he was converted but yet, he was little more than an old school channeler, letting entities tell him what to believe in. A whole church grew out of his delusions.

these are “conservative” parents of a trans in CA.

https://video.foxnews.com/v/6307583800112#sp=show-clips

where is all this insane shit coming from? its like a fucking fad came in last two years to suddenly trans all the kids. there got to be a source of all this.

FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden says

these are “conservative” parents of a trans in CA.

https://video.foxnews.com/v/6307583800112#sp=show-clips

where is all this insane shit coming from? its like a fucking fad came in last two years to suddenly trans all the kids. there got to be a source of all this.

It’s fucking nuts. My SIL attended a parents meeting for my nephews private Westside school. She had to have my brother come pick her up early. She said she was about to lose her shit and lash out because so many of the parents were taking about how proud they were that their kids were displaying attributes of gender fluidity. Literally wearing it as a badge of pride.

Then a few days later Dennis Prager spoke about parents on the Westside having it as a regular topic of conversation.

It’s a fad amongst very very stupid leftist parents. I have zero doubt at this point that transgenderism is almost entirely driven by emotion.

My dad has a IQ over 150. There was never a possibility that my brother and I were not going to college. Both of us had an easy upbringing and neither physically imposing. Yet we grew up fishing, hunting, hiking, camping, and learning to work on cars. I’m a good man and good husband because of it and so is my brother. My brother, despite having a rich man’s income and lifestyle is introducing both his boys to the same.

God help the kids being raised by the incredibly stupid.

Rin says

Sounds more like entity possession to me.

It sounds like that to you because you are a natural man.

1 Corinthians 2:14 Context

“11For what man knoweth the things of a man, save the spirit of man which is in him? even so the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. 12Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God. 13Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual. 14But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man. 16For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.”Rin says

And thus, if the Golden Bear was to play golf, then that was his destiny regardless of whether or not he joined your denomination.

I agree, that it was his destiny to play golf. But it is also his destiny to either become a new creature in Christ or remain cursed with sin and death. My denomination has nothing to do with it. Salvation is not exclusive to any church or religious system, salvation is a gift of God given freely to all who will receive it. Romans 6:23 reads, "For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

FuckTheMainstreamMedia says

It’s a fad amongst very very stupid leftist parents. I have zero doubt at this point that transgenderism is almost entirely driven by emotion.

It's like a leftwing Penis Panic or Tulip Madness.

FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden says

these are “conservative” parents of a trans in CA.

https://video.foxnews.com/v/6307583800112#sp=show-clips

where is all this insane shit coming from? its like a fucking fad came in last two years to suddenly trans all the kids. there got to be a source of all this.

SATAN

I watched again. I don’t believe it’s a real story. Not sure what elements are false yet, but there something very off.

PeopleUnited says

you are a natural man.

I'm far more than some 'natural' man. I've encountered the spirit entities and know a lot about them. Unlike Swedenborg, I've rejected 'em but see that many of you, being unconscious spirits, know nothing of them. I have a term for ppl like you ... the inferior souls. The ones who know nothing about 'the Universe' and depend upon verses, texts, some sayings from church fathers, etc, to push you ahead.

I was chosen to do the work for humanity, first by ending feminism (Rin Wah Law) and second, to eliminate the fraud that's Fauci's modern medicine. Yes, him & his clubhouse are 21st century Pharisees.

Rin says

I've encountered the spirit entities and know a lot about them.

God is a spirit. But you are correct, there are many other spirits. These entities were created by Him. They have free will, and are able to reject God just like us inferior souls. These entities are able to influence and interact with humans and animals. An interesting but somewhat forgotten history is that of the Nephalim. They were able to interact with the physical world and even create offspring with humans.

A natural man is just someone who does not have the Spirit of God. Have you encountered His Spirit? If you have heard his call I encourage you to answer it. You have contributed much as you have said, but if you die without Christ it will all be unprofitable.God said his Spirit will not always strive with man, there will come a day for every natural man when it is too late to heed the call. The good news is the natural man can become a new creature in Christ, just by accepting the gift of repentance and faith.

PeopleUnited says

God is a spirit.

Not at all, something far greater than some transmedium force, the creator of all consciousness. Anything less than that is just another entity.

PeopleUnited says

there will come a day for every natural man when it is too late to heed the call.

I've died and come back, many many times. This isn't the first and won't the last. I've also been at the monastery with St Francis of Assisi, many centuries ago. I still vaguely recall him.

I think that you're just another theologian, like many I've encountered over the years. Do you honestly think that I fear the end? People like you, when these days are over, will enter the tunnel of light, get your third eye/head center burnt out, forget everything, and then, another group of entities will take control of your destiny. This is the scenario which plays out for most.

As far as I'm concerned, this religious/spiritual conversation was over before it even began. And I'm talking about prior to 2012, before I joined PatNet. This is how destiny works.

Rin says

Not at all, something far greater than some transmedium force, the creator of all consciousness

Yes, God is a spirit, but you said well, He is not just a spirit, but the creator of all. God has three parts, the Father/Creator/eternal soul, the Son/Redeemer in the flesh, the Spirit. So yes, He is a Spirit, and much more as you said.

Incidentally He created man in His own image, everyone has an eternal soul, a body, and while every person born into this world is spiritually dead, every person can be reborn in the Spirit by faith in Jesus.

Gospel of John, chapter 3. Jesus says to Nicodemus in verse 5, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God."

Everyone born into this world is carried in a sac of water. But it is the second birth, born again of the Spirit that makes a person truly alive.

Ephesians 2:1 Context

1And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; 2Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: 3Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others. 4But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us,“
Rin says

I've died and come back, many many times.

No, you have not.

Hebrews 9:27 Context

24For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us: 25Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others; 26For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. 27And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment: 28So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.”

Rin says

Do you honestly think that I fear the end?

I don’t know what you are afraid of. But I do know that the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom.

Rin says

I think that you're just another theologian,

I’m not just another anything. I’m a sinner, saved by grace through faith in the Lord Christ Jesus who being blameless was the only person who could pay my sin debt for me. And though I am a sinner, my Savior loved me anyway and willingly laid down His life for me. Which brings us back to where we started. Jesus ate with sinners, and that is because he loves them.