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Patrick says

Dude is a bit swarthy for an Anglo-Saxon. Is she saying to breed with the immigrants to make those immigrants English?

HeadSet says

"Dude is a bit swarthy for an Anglo-Saxon."

Nonsense. It looks like you have a problem with men and women getting
married and having a family.

The whole point of the comic is that the male hero of it is a regular English guy.

I guess the Amelia meme has caught on.


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The_Deplorable says

HeadSet says

"Dude is a bit swarthy for an Anglo-Saxon."

Nonsense. It looks like you have a problem with men and women getting
married and having a family.

How the devil do you reach that conclusion?

Patrick says

The whole point of the comic is that the male hero of it is a regular English guy.

"Regular" English guys are Nordic and rarely have black hair. And for the few "jets" that do, it is unlikely both kids would have black hair. The fact that both the man and his kids have black hair implies that the man is an immigrant.

HeadSet says

"Regular" English guys are Nordic and rarely have black hair. And for the few "jets" that do, it is unlikely both kids would have black hair. The fact that both the man and his kids have black hair implies that the man is an immigrant.

The original British, Irish, etc., did have dark hair, brown or blue eyes and light skin. Before various conquests from the Vikings, Franks, and Anglo Saxons etc. I'm not sure if it's true but I've read that Sean Connery would be an example. At least in recent history.

Back 10,000 years you reach cheddar man, with dark skin, dark curly hair and blue eyes... I think that's the farthest back there is data for.

HeadSet says

"How the devil do you reach that conclusion?"

Your statement. Read it again.

Maga_Chaos_Monkey says

HeadSet says

"Regular" English guys are Nordic and rarely have black hair. And for the few "jets" that do, it is unlikely both kids would have black hair. The fact that both the man and his kids have black hair implies that the man is an immigrant.

The original British, Irish, etc., did have dark hair, brown or blue eyes and light skin. Before various conquests from the Vikings, Franks, and Anglo Saxons etc. I'm not sure if it's true but I've read that Sean Connery would be an example. At least in recent history.

Back 10,000 years you reach cheddar man, with dark skin, dark curly hair and blue eyes... I think that's the farthest back there is data for.

Be very cautious of anthropology when it veers into politically charged areas. For example, the Cheddar Man reconstruction with near African skin color. Here is his direct descendant, still living in the Cheddar area:


Same eyes, similar nose and face shape - incredible actually. And yet the skin tone is presented as dark brown, despite this man living in post- ice age conditions in high northern latitudes. Unless one is eating seal livers with high vitamins A and D (as the Inuits do), dark skin would be maladaptive.

Anthropologists base the skin estimate on the absence of one modern European lighting allele. However, East Asians are light from other genes, as were Neanderthals (who lived Europe over many Ice Ages, since 600kya). I suspect they missed a gene that kept pre-modern European groups, including Cro-magnons, light.

goofus says

Unless one is eating seal livers with high vitamins A and D (as the Inuits do)

Correct, and it wasn't just the UK. When Euros switched to cereals is when it's estimated the skin lightened up. Last I read ~7K years ago.

goofus says

However, East Asians are light from other genes

Also correct and so you might be right.

Yeah, that picture is super dark lol! I'm a genetics guy and don't particularly care about the politics of it or anthropologists. That reconstruction sure does look like someone was trying to make a point though!

From AI, take it as you will:

Dark skin was common in Europe for most of its inhabited history, with lighter skin becoming dominant only relatively recently.

Pale skin did not become widespread until about 3,000 years ago, during the Iron Age, according to multiple studies analyzing ancient DNA from over 300 individuals.

The first signs of lighter skin appeared around 14,000 years ago in parts of Northern Europe, such as Sweden and France, but remained rare.

(I wouldn't consider France Northern Europe)

By the Bronze Age (7,000 to 3,000 years ago), the proportion of dark-skinned individuals had dropped to about half.

Genetic shifts were driven by migration: Neolithic farmers from Anatolia (modern-day Turkey) brought genes for lighter skin (like SLC24A5) around 8,000 years ago, and later migrations (e.g., Yamnaya herders) further spread these traits.

Even as late as 1,700 years ago, during the Roman Empire, dark skin was still common in many parts of Europe.

This transition was not a simple or linear process, but a complex patchwork of migration, gene flow, and local adaptation, challenging the old idea that lighter skin evolved gradually due to low UV exposure alone.

"Even as late as 1,700 years ago, during the Roman Empire, dark skin was still common in many parts of Europe." <- if that is true I'm sure it's documented in writing and no need to do genotyping.

So I asked it about that and there isn't any apparently. It kept mentioning people like Ethiopians migrating lol.. All that seems to really exist are some comment about Euro's being white and even more about red hair.

"Netflix" Natural History and Antrhopology have been around for a long time weaponized, both for 'superiority' and 'inferiority'. You'll only get what some devious bloodline wants you to see. The Smithsonian destroys a lot more history and natural history than it preserves and reveals, and its charter is to pursue various historical fairy tales consistent with current allowed views of culture, history and religion.

DNA by itself is an electromagnetic antenna and a memory battery (condenser) (epigenetics), which means the signal for life is received from some other dimension and there is constant back and forth communications from the DNA antenna arrays in various forms of life. That dimension is much more playful than standard evolution allows. The why and wherefore of life is still a huge mystery that public 'science' has tried to fool us about.

DNA significance is wildly distorted to make us believe current public 'science' is the end all and be all as a limiting guard rail, whereas the hidden sciences as usual remain exclusive to smaller groups.

My dad was Irish but had black hair and blue eyes, a combination which is common among the Irish for some reason.

Strangely, he had blonde hair as a boy, then it turned black.

Grok does say that it's rather unusual for the native English to have black hair:

The percentage of native Anglo-Saxon English people (meaning individuals of long-established English ancestry, primarily descending from pre-modern populations in England, excluding recent immigrants and their descendants) who have true black hair is quite low.

Reliable modern estimates, based on surveys, genetic studies (like UK Biobank data on white British participants), and population observations, place it at around 5-8% for naturally black hair among the broader white British or indigenous English population.

Maga_Chaos_Monkey says

challenging the old idea that lighter skin evolved gradually due to low UV exposure alone

There is the vitamin D effect, where people with lighter skin survive better in northern Europe.

But it's also true everywhere in the world that lighter skin is selected for by men, because everywhere in the world, most men find fairer women more attractive. The very word "fair" in English means both "light-skinned" and "attractive".

It's true in Japan, and even in Africa. The high-status men get their pick of women, and they almost always choose light-skinned women.

And high-status men leave more surviving children than others in every generation.

Patrick says

My dad was Irish but had black hair

Yes, commonly known as "Black Irish." In pre-Roman days, folks from Iberia migrated to Ireland and Wales and added to the genetics. Some have said Black Irish may be from Jewish influence.

Patrick says

Strangely, he had blonde hair as a boy, then it turned black.

That is not uncommon among White people. Seems to me that so many White children are born blonde with blue eyes and the hair darkens as they get older and many have the eyes change to hazel or brown. You have heard the term "baby blue," right?

Maga_Chaos_Monkey says

The original British, Irish, etc., did have dark hair, brown or blue eyes and light skin

Odd, because if today one goes to northern England, Scottland and Ireland, one will see a high abundance of red or auburn hair. I presumed these folks were dependents of the original Brittons and had less Germanic blood.

HeadSet says

Patrick says

Strangely, he had blonde hair as a boy, then it turned black.

That is not uncommon among White people. Seems to me that so many White children are born blonde with blue eyes and the hair darkens as they get older and many have the eyes change to hazel or brown. You have heard the term "baby blue," right?

Same, white blonde hair as a kid and my eyes were bluer vs. blue green now. My hair turned brown in high school.

HeadSet says

Odd, because if today one goes to northern England, Scottland and Ireland, one will see a high abundance of red or auburn hair. I presumed these folks were dependents of the original Brittons and had less Germanic blood.

Right, I meant before they showed up. I have no idea what the Picts looked like. I think they were something all to their own.