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California Demands More Inflation, Bans Gasoline in New Car Sales by 2035


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2022 Aug 26, 9:40am   1,062 views  17 comments

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https://mishtalk.com/economics/california-demands-more-inflation-bans-gasoline-in-new-car-sales-by-2035

All new cars sold in the state by 2035 be free of greenhouse gas emissions including carbon dioxide.

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1   Onvacation   2022 Aug 26, 3:14pm  

Bd6r says

All new cars sold

Can we still drive our old cars?
2   ElYorsh   2022 Aug 26, 3:26pm  

California will be the hottest market for used gas cars.
3   Bd6r   2022 Aug 26, 4:33pm  

Onvacation says

Can we still drive our old cars?

I'd bet that they will put a $10K or more registration tax on used gas cars.
4   RedStar   2022 Aug 26, 4:42pm  

Bd6r says

Onvacation says


Can we still drive our old cars?

I'd bet that they will put a $10K or more registration tax on used gas cars.


Or change lanes to be electric only
5   Shaman   2022 Aug 26, 7:28pm  

California in 2055 will be like Cuba with all the endlessly restored classic cars that people drive around because there haven’t been new cars sold there since the 1950s.
6   EBGuy   2022 Aug 26, 8:49pm  

Reminds me of back in the day when you had to "import" VW TDIs (circa 2004) from out of state as they didn't meet emissions standards. The only caveat (back then) was that to qualify as used, they needed to have at least 7,500 miles on them.
7   stereotomy   2022 Aug 26, 8:56pm  

EBGuy says

Reminds me of back in the day when you had to "import" VW TDIs (circa 2004) from out of state as they didn't meet emissions standards. The only caveat (back then) was that to qualify as used, they needed to have at least 7,500 miles on them.

I remember the grey market exports from Europe in the early 80's after emissions regulations in the US neutered US cars. That lasted about 3-5 years before Congress closed the loophole. Emissions controls sacrifice about 25% of engine power. The early 80's Euro cars didn't have the emissions bottlenecks, so there was an actual market for these vehicles.
8   richwicks   2022 Aug 27, 12:09am  

Bd6r says

All new cars sold in the state by 2035 be free of greenhouse gas emissions including carbon dioxide.


Notice how the cutoff is 2035? That is 12 years from now, or 3 elections from now, or at least 2 governors from now.

This is to appease the environmentalists. Our current federal government may not even exist by that time.
9   Misc   2022 Aug 27, 12:23am  

In that legislation it required 35% of new vehicles in California to be emission free by 2026.

There's slightly more than 2 million cars sold annually in California.

They can legislate, but reality has a way of intruding. Manufacturers ain't gonna be able to make 'em, but with the new federal subsidies they can try.

Power grid may not hold up though. Didn't the State of California ask electric car owners to hold off charging their cars at one point this year so far?
10   richwicks   2022 Aug 27, 12:27am  

Misc says

In that legislation it required 35% of new vehicles in California to be emission free by 2026.

There's slightly more than 2 million cars sold annually in California.

They can legislate, but reality has a way of intruding. Manufacturers ain't gonna be able to make 'em, but with the new federal subsidies they can try.

Power grid may not hold up though. Didn't the State of California ask electric car owners to hold off charging their cars at one point this year so far?


It just won't happen, I've seen this crap all my life.
11   Misc   2022 Aug 27, 12:31am  

I dunno though. So far in the 1st half of 2022, 15% of the vehicles sold in California were electric. They might hit the 2026 goal afterall.
12   Misc   2022 Aug 27, 3:40am  

@Patrick Sometimes when you use the quote function on a comment that previously "Quoted" another comment, it will mis-attribute the original quote.

For example I tried to quote richwicks comment #10.

The new comment said something like: richwicks says

In that legislation it required 35% of new cars in California to be emission free by 2026

and nothing else
13   Patrick   2022 Aug 27, 10:19am  

Thanks @Misc

That is a bug, but I'm not yet sure how to fix it.
14   Ceffer   2022 Aug 27, 10:21am  

Dazed and confused green crap will be quietly shelved when the date approaches.
15   Bd6r   2022 Aug 27, 1:39pm  

Misc says

I dunno though. So far in the 1st half of 2022, 15% of the vehicles sold in California were electric. They might hit the 2026 goal afterall.

Electricity will have to come from somewhere though. According to my friends who live near LA, they have frequent racistouts.
17   Hircus   2022 Aug 27, 7:04pm  

Patrick says


Thanks @Misc

That is a bug, but I'm not yet sure how to fix it.


@patrick
There's 2 issues actually.

One is I noticed that sometimes I would highlight some text, and then click quote, but I would erroneously click the quote link in the post above or below, causing misattribution as the code attributes it to the author of the post you click, not the one where the text came from. This is kinda a user mistake, but one I think the site can solve for people. I fixed it for myself a long time ago via userscript. This is what I've been using:

// this func should be the quote link click handler
function quoteLinkHandler(e) {

function getQuoteLinkFromSelection() {
// If there's a selection, in order to determine the correct author/post id/etc we need to determine which comment div the selection is an ancestor of.
// We start by finding the parent element of the selection.
const selection = window.getSelection();
if (!selection || !selection.anchorNode || !selection.anchorNode.parentElement) {
return;
}

// Now we can find the parent comment div.
const commentContainer = selection.anchorNode.parentElement.closest('.comment');
if (!commentContainer) {
return;
}

// Now find the quote link.
return commentContainer.querySelector('.quote_link');
}

// If we can determine the quote link from a selection, we do it, because they may select text in one
// post, but click the quote link in a different post.
// Otherwise, if there's no valid selection, we use the data from the link they clicked.
const quoteLink = getQuoteLinkFromSelection() || (e && e.type === 'click' ? e.target : null);
if (!quoteLink) {
return;
}

let comment_id = quoteLink.getAttribute('data-comment_id');
let comment_post_id = quoteLink.getAttribute('data-comment_post_id');
let offset = quoteLink.getAttribute('data-offset');
let user_name = quoteLink.getAttribute('data-user_name');

addquote(comment_post_id, offset, comment_id, user_name);
}

function addquote(post_id, offset, comment_id, author) {
var textarea = document.forms['commentform'].elements['ta'];
var theSelection = '';

if (comment_id > 0) var comment_link = '<a href="/post/' + post_id + '&offset=' + offset + '#comment-' + comment_id + '">' + author + ' says</a>';
else var comment_link = '<a href="/post/' + post_id + '">' + author + ' says</a>';

theSelection = getHTMLOfSelection(); // user manually selected something
if (!theSelection) theSelection = document.getElementById('comment-' + comment_id + '-text').innerHTML; // else take the whole comment

// either we are on mobile (no selection possible) or the user did not select any text; whole comment, or post when comment_id === 0
if (theSelection.length > 1024) theSelection = theSelection.substring(0, 1000) + '...'; // might mangle tags
textarea.value = textarea.value + comment_link + '<br><blockquote>' + theSelection + '</blockquote>';
textarea.focus();
return;
}
function getHTMLOfSelection() {
if (!window.getSelection) return '';
var selection = window.getSelection();
if (selection.rangeCount <= 0) return ''
var range = selection.getRangeAt(0);
var clonedSelection = range.cloneContents();
var div = document.createElement('div');
div.appendChild(clonedSelection);
return div.innerHTML;
}


The other issue I don't recall exactly what it was, as it's been maybe 5 years now. But, I recall it was something to do with the browser sometimes doing something wonky with focus and the click event I believe. I still encounter it occasionally, and the 2nd time you click the quote link it then works correctly. For me it seems to happen intermittently, or I just don't yet understand the trigger / necessary conditions. Maybe I'll revisit it again sometime.

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