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and the country you call "Ruscia" has been dominated by Mongols for centuries. Means really bupkes for the modern nations.
We had no business in Ukraine before the war and we have no business in Ukraine after the war.
RWSGFY says
and the country you call "Ruscia" has been dominated by Mongols for centuries. Means really bupkes for the modern nations.
Wasn't Kiev the capital of Russia at one time? Those that forget their history are condemned to repeat it.
What exactly is being "repeated"?
No. There were no Russia when Kyiv was established ~1500 years ago.
“And Oleg sat down, ruling, in Kiev, and Oleg said: ‘Let it be a mother of Russian cities’”. This is how the oldest chronicle, The Tale of Past Years, described how Prince Oleg, one of the first rulers of ancient Rus’, made the decision to designate Kiev as the capital city of the recently established state of Eastern Slavic tribes in the late 9th century.
Oleg came from the north, from Novgorod, where the Eastern Slavs’ statehood originated. Having captured Kiev, Oleg united the two population centers that formed what chroniclers would later call Rus’ (the term “Kievan Rus” was coined by historians only in the 19th century). The people who lived there were called Rus(s)kie (the same as what contemporary Russians are referred to as today). The word “Russkie” and derivatives of it were used for centuries to designate those living in the territory of former ancient Rus’ – meaning, not exclusively ethnic Russians.
Historians and those in charge of ideology in the Soviet Union were quite sensitive to the feelings of various ethnic groups. However, Rus’ and Russkie did seem to pose a problem, as the notions were not directly connected to modern Russians. The official historical account that was included in textbooks asserted that Kievan Rus’ was the first state of Eastern Slavs and the cradle of the so-called “ancient Russian ethnos”. Later, in the modern era, this old super-ethnos gave birth to contemporary Russians, Ukrainians and Byelorussians.
PS. Here's a good short summary of the last conquest: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9Gwuu7TXPwI
Ukraine was right in the center of the violent chaos following the Russian Revolution 1917. After declaring independence the Ukrainian People's Republic was invaded multiple times as the Russian Civil War, the Polish-Soviet War, the Ukrainian-Polish War and the Soviet-Ukrainian War all raged across the country. The Communist victory in the Russian Civil War meant that the Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic became a founding member of the USSR.
Ukraine has changed hands many times. What business is it of the USA?
Onvacation says
Ukraine has changed hands many times. What business is it of the USA?
Vast majority of Ukraine citizens do not want to be under the thumb of the Kremlin. Donbas region is the only region that is the most pro Kremlin.
They saw firsthand how the Kremlin operates just recently such as with its invasion f the towns east of Kiev.
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Do you think for an instant that Zelensky would win an election in the Ukraine against anyone promoting peace with Russia
Do you think for an instant that Zelensky would win an election in the Ukraine against anyone promoting peace with Russia???
January 3 - Kamala becomes President after Biden passes away peacefully in his sleep underneath her pillow
January 4 - Biden revealed to only be mostly dead, regains Presidency
January 6 - Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez dies again
January 9 - David French publishes revolutionary op-ed "The Conservative Case For Only Supporting Progressive Causes"
January 23 - Streaming services all band together to provide content bundled for $180/month, finally letting you get rid of cable
February 12 - Los Angeles Dodgers sign all baseball players in existence, including the reanimated corpses of Babe Ruth, Shoeless Joe Jackson, and Ty Cobb
February 23 - Ozempic revealed to give patients a taste for human flesh, thus ushering in the zombie apocalypse
February 28 - The population of Mexico reaches 0 as everyone crosses the border into the U.S.
March 1 - Americans begin migrating to now-empty Mexico in search of a better life
March 2 - Trump asks Ron DeSantis to be his running mate
March 3 - Trump tells DeSantis "SIKE!"
March 31 - Elon Musk fathers 73rd child
April 1 - Biden announces plans to cut government spending, stop funding foreign wars, and secure our own border
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April 19 - AOC posts something really dumb on X
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May 4 - Disney announces all-female Star Wars remake featuring Brie Larson as Luke Skywalker and Lizzo as Obi-Wan Kenobi
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May 7 - Obama comes out as even gayer
May 8 - To raise campaign funds Chris Christie joins OnlyFans
May 19 - Pfizer accidentally announces vaccine for new COVID variant that hasn't been released yet
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June 5 - Trump announces that he has destroyed Hillary Clinton's final Horcrux
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July 31 - Global warming causes warm temperatures for 3 months for some reason
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I’m already liking 2024. Consequence is itching to return to the American scene. Somewhere around 2016, cause and effect got a divorce. After that, things just happened or unhappened with no further orders of effect, like some brute existence without purpose, meaning, or even awareness, except for the feeling of the lash on your back. ...
We are waking to the stupefying criminality of public life, to the immersive obvious bullshit of people in charge who don’t deserve your respect or compliance. How they got into these positions is only another feature of that totalistic criminality. What was hidden in plain sight will be revealed to those suffering mere hysterical blindness.
It was fitting that the last extravagant political act of ’23 was Maine Secretary of State Shenna Bellows chucking Mr. Trump off the ballot there because. . . she felt like it. To save our democracy, you understand. That might be the terminal absurdity of the derangement we are leaving behind, the signature for much that has gone down in this country the past three years: women on the verge of a nervous breakdown throwing the crockery of law around the room at Daddy.
All this accomplishes, of course, is to disgrace authority in general and to turn America into one big broken home, making us a population of frightened runaways clinging desperately to a few square feet of ground, alone under the freeway ramp in the rain. That is no way to live. The way to live is to make yourself useful to your fellow humans and to get paid for it, and to find some joy and meaning in that human fellowship based on fair, consensual transactions — a pretty simple formula that has been supplanted by the evil idea that life is nothing but a shakedown.
The election of 2024, whether it is actually allowed to happen or not, will probably commence the extinction of the DC blob. This entity has made itself malignantly inimical to the proper functioning of self-governing people, and everybody knows it. The blob will die of irrelevance and impotence as the “trust horizon” devolves downward and we are thrust back into the awesome task of reconstructing our local communities. There is so much to do.
I keep hearing figures in the public arena say they have a creepy feeling that something big is going to happen. Well, sure, something’s got to give. So much hyper-complexity has been heaped onto the apparatus of shakedown that just about nothing works in America anymore. The Internet is obviously a major part of that. We’ve allowed digital magic to invade every scrap of territory in our daily doings, to the degree that there is no longer enough for humans to do — but, alas, digital magic is only a pale simulacrum of real human magic. The virtual is not an adequate substitute for the authentic. Why do you think there are so many people barely alive in a haze of opiate drugs splayed on the sidewalks of San Francisco, the epicenter of Internet wealth and power?
The “something big” could well be the Web-down crisis that is nervously tweeted about. If it went on for more than couple of weeks, most everything we depend on would cease to work, from food supplies to clean water to communications to what has been lately operating as “money.” That would be a clarifying interlude for sure. Among the few things that would still work in the event of a massive attack on the Internet are human brains, human bodies, and firearms. That combo could be as much a recipe for order as for chaos. I believe in the fairly short term, most of us would opt for order. As far as I’m concerned, there’s already been enough chaos, just about every bit of it unnecessary.
But let’s not get ahead of ourselves. 2024 is on. It’s the time many of us have been waiting for. We’re in it. Stay alert. Make the right choices. Exercise situational awareness. Get ready to walk with consequence. It’s here, and it’s not “queer.”
Misc says
Do you think for an instant that Zelensky would win an election in the Ukraine against anyone promoting peace with Russia
What elections?
Do you think for an instant that Zelensky would win an election in the Ukraine against anyone promoting peace with Russia???
Elections are explicitly prohibited by law during wartime. So not likely.
richwicks says
Israel will take over the West bank in time, then probably Gaza then expand into Syria. That's been the 70 year course. Who cares about what is morally right or wrong? The US and Israel nor the world at large don't, not in the slightest. They might PRETEND to, but they don't. It's all virtue signalling nonsense.
Right, Israel unilaterally withdrawing from Gaza a decade ago and the total lack of free elections there is a sign Israel is planning to take over.
richwicks says
It won't be long before the Ukraine war is forgotten, although I predict that will go on for at least 1/2 decade
What a juicy morsel for the predictions thread.
He started de-mining along the frontlines, pulling troops back, prohibited even responding to incoming fire, stopped all indigenous missile development and instead splurged on roads, parks and such. Dreamed about hosting fucking Olympic games, believe it or not. The idiot thought that if he demilitarized and projected weak image he'll be given Dumb Ass and Crimea back. Then another weak idiot came to power in the USA and Kremling Bellend & Co. smelled blood in the water and pounced. The rest is history.
Before Trump became Orange Man Bad™ and Worse than Hitler™ the mainstream lefties in New York liked him.
In 2015, before they saw him as a real threat, he was on the late-night shows and even hosted SNL ... where he participated in this skit that accidentally foretold the future.
This. Is. Amazing.
The details of the skit are perfect. There's the silly Trump stuff about swimming pools at the White House and mirrored gold plating on the Washington Monument. But then there's the stuff that actually DID happen under Trump.
Some of the jokes are now sad, considering what they took from us.
Here are some of the prophecies:
Actor: Halfway through your first term and prosperity is at an all-time high. In two years you really made America great again ...
Trump: General how are we doing in Syria?
Actor: Well, ISIS is completely eliminated, sir. The country is at peace, all the refugees have returned. And they have great jobs as blackjack dealers at the Trump Hotel and Casino in Damascus ...
Trump: Madam Secretary, how is the situation in Russia?
Actor: Never better. After your face to face meeting Putin has withdrawn from Ukraine. Believe me, he does not want to be called a loser again. He cried for hours.
Trump: Well, I'm sorry. I just had to do that.
Trump: Jimmy, how's the economy?
Actor: Amazing sir! In the words of our new national anthem, it's 'YUGE!' After your tough negotiations with China, you are KILLING them on trade. They're now borrowing money from us. I have no idea how you did it, sir!
Trump: Well you know what, I don't have to get specific. With me, it just works. It's just magic. It's always been that way my whole life.
LOOK WHAT THEY TOOK FROM US!
LOOK AT IT!
This sketch aged amazingly. It went from funny, to Simpsons-level prophecy, to tragedy in the span of 9 years.
Actor: Mr. President, we have a problem! It's the American people, sir! They're just sick of winning! They're winning so much, it's just too great sir.
Trump: Look, I know how they feel, it's exhausting. But really, that is the price you have to pay. Winning is tough. It's not that easy.
[Turns towards audience]
If you think that's how it's going to be when I'm president, you're wrong. It's going to be EVEN BETTER! I said to the writer's of this sketch, 'Keep it modest, okay? It's better to start with low expectations. That way you have nowhere to go but up!'
They were right!
The economy grew, we were beating China, Russia wasn't a problem, the Middle East was peaceful, and illegal immigration dropped to record lows.
It was, for three years, SO MUCH better than anyone imagined.
And then it was taken from us!
Eric Holder says
Elections are explicitly prohibited by law during wartime. So not likely.
No. The Ukrainian constitution ALLOWS for the legislature to delay elections. It does not require it
That's all.
THE LAW OF UKRAINE
About the legal regime of martial law
(Vodomosti Verkhovna Rada (VVR), 2015, No. 28, Article 250)
Article 19. Guarantees of legality in the conditions of martial law
1. In the conditions of martial law, the following are prohibited:
changing the Constitution of Ukraine;
amendment of the Constitution of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea;
conducting elections for the President of Ukraine, as well as elections to the Verkhovna Rada of Ukraine, the Verkhovna Rada of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea and local self-government bodies;
conducting all-Ukrainian and local referenda;
conducting strikes, mass meetings and actions.
1. In the conditions of martial law, the following are prohibited:
changing the Constitution of Ukraine;
amendment of the Constitution of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea;
conducting elections for the President of Ukraine
Elections are explicitly prohibited by law during wartime. So not likely.
RWSGFY says
1. In the conditions of martial law, the following are prohibited:
changing the Constitution of Ukraine;
amendment of the Constitution of the Autonomous Republic of Crimea;
conducting elections for the President of Ukraine
Was this by any chance added in 2014 or 2019?
Ukraine has changed hands many times. What business is it of the USA?
Eric Holder says
Elections are explicitly prohibited by law during wartime. So not likely.
Didn't Zelensky make that law?
Hey "Eric Holder" - did I win the giant teddy bear prize yet?
PS. The idea for this thread was to keep in clean with predictions and links to predictions only. Otherwise it will drown in the usual noise.
I thought you have been on Patnet for a while...what is the chance of a clean thread.
Hunter Biden will die in unclear circumstances when the FBI gets rid of him to protect themselves.
Here a "as good as Cuntsler (who?) guy" predicts European starving and freezing to death this winter (2022-2023): https://patrick.net/post/1345718/2022-06-17-one-of-kunstler-s-best?start=6#comment-1877701
Nukes! Nukes!
https://patrick.net/comment?comment_id=1882142
Eric Holder says
Here I will collect bold predictions so we can see what came true and what didn't.
I predict that this thread is a trap, and Eric Holder will mock you later and damage
your credibility when your predictions don't turn out to be 100% true.
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It goes without saying that everybody is welcome to add their favorite predictions.