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What incentive is there for Russia to use nukes? We also have allies closer to Russia that would be hit or could fire back. It's the classic MAD conversation. I think it's highly unlikely. I also live in cornfields so little issue for me unless they use a massive warhead and drop it in the middle of Chicago. Chicago just kills itself, so not a likely target. NYC, DC, LA are prime targets. And military manufacturing. Boeing. Newport News.

In the end it would make no sense for Russia to nuke us. Ukraine, they should be digging their own graves now if they decide to go there. Nuking the whole world does Russia no good and they don't have the capability as seen by the invasion of Ukraine. They can't even win against a corrupt country using borrowed weapons they likely have no clue how to use and are stalling the Russian "bear."

If a nuke "pops up in Ukraine" the sky there will become dark with F-22s and F-35s and whatever is left of that sorry war criminal horde they call Ruscist military will be no more.

At a very minimum.

WookieMan says

What incentive is there for Russia to use nukes?

They are playing the "Madman theory" card and using Western useful idiots to spread this shit around. Their previous trump cards - "the resistance against the SECOND MILITARY IN THE WORLD is futile" and "we should stay away from fulfilling our obligations BECAUSE CORRUPT NAZIS" have failed miserably.

The fuckers are desperate (but not suicidal).

"It's not like we won't get our hair mussed, Mr. President; but I say we'll have 10 to 20 million killed, tops!" General Turginton

I have seen this before; Kissinger was negotiating with the North Vietnamese to end hostilities.
Nixon had been bombing them with B52s and it was getting pretty scary.

Kissinger told North Vietnamese: "I don't know what he'll do next, I don't control him."

Anecdote: Once Nixon looked out the window of the white house and saw written in snow with piss: "Nixon sucks!"
Nixon "Find out who did this!"
They put the FBI on the case.
They reported back to Nixon: "We analysed the writing Mr. President. The piss belongs to Henry Kissinger, but it's your wife's handwriting."

its a really long way of saying that Biden is a sell out

Before Putin uses nukes in the Ukraine, there will be an escalation in attacks on the Ukraine's infrastructure.

Someone here erroneously believes that Russia has already tried this and failed. That is just useless propaganda. Russia can very easily take out the Ukraine's power grid. Those electric sub-stations just don't deal well with explosives and cannot be defended against by the air attacks Russia can launch. The country's Water -works can similarly be taken out.

Yes, attacks against a country's infrastructure constitutes war crimes (something that Russia has mostly stayed away from) but less so than popping off a few tactical nukes.

Putin has continued to slowly increase pressure against the Europeans (notice how he did not just stop gas exports to Europe all at once).

If you think that inflation is bad here in the US, try being a European they simply aren't able to pay their electric bills.

Misc says

Someone here erroneously believes that Russia has already tried this and failed. That is just useless propaganda. Russia can very easily take out the Ukraine's power grid. Those electric sub-stations just don't deal well with explosives and cannot be defended against by the air attacks Russia can launch. The country's Water -works can similarly be taken out

And you think that the same won't happen in Russia as retaliation?

Putin has no need to Nuke Ukraine, I know Rachell Meadows like to opine that Putin's head is going to spin, and detach from his body and turn into a tactical nuke, but it's just more bullshit, hype and lies.

One thing nobody here even talks about nor mentions, is the fact that the Ukraine has not been applying any pressure back to Russia on Russian soil. For a group of smarties I find that perplexing. Putin can invade and fight Ukraine, or pull back and take a break at his own leisure. There is no threat of a counter offensive coming from Ukraine.
So it's pointless to think that Putin would have the will or reason to nuke the Ukraine, other than to manipulate the minds of the American bottom feeding fake news consumers into believing it's a real threat, so they wont question the billions our ruling class is dibbing up amongst themselves that was earmarked as Ukraine war aide.

ZipperTits says

I think Russia will first fully mobilize and throw that at the Ukrainians before using nukes...unless they can't fix their logistics problems.

What is left to mobilize other than a bunch of new poorly trained conscripts who have been watching in horror at the tens of thousands of dead and maimed Russians returning home from brutal combat?

Has Russia been holding back its best armor and aviation all this time?

Does Russia have a secret stash of additional artillery and rocket rounds they haven't already wasted in Ukraine?

Can Russia even fix or build new kit with their primitive tech industry that was totally reliant on the West?

The fact that the usual suspects are now talking nukes and using energy as a weapon to freeze out Europe lends me to believe that Russia has already lost the conventional war.

socal2 says

ZipperTits says

I think Russia will first fully mobilize and throw that at the Ukrainians before using nukes...unless they can't fix their logistics problems.

What is left to mobilize other than a bunch of new poorly trained conscripts who have been watching in horror at the tens of thousands of dead and maimed Russians returning home from brutal combat?

Has Russia been holding back its best armor and aviation all this time?

Does Russia have a secret stash of additional artillery and rocket rounds they haven't already wasted in Ukraine?

Can Russia even fix or build new kit with their primitive tech industry that was totally reliant on the West?

The fact that the usual suspects are now talking nukes and using energy as a weapon to freeze out Europe lends me to believe that Russia has already lost the conventional war.

Oh, they have plenty of 1943 helmets and 1891 Mosin rifles in storage.

And midgets in reserve!

Cool Confederate Flag on the midget's chest.

Looks like Jerry Seinfeld and the angry midget (Mickey) who was Kramer's friend and acting buddy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_Kulsb-gRE

Jake Sullivan is Deep State trash.

Jake Sullivan, whom Joe Biden has chosen to serve as his National Security Advisor, was deeply enmeshed in Hillary Clinton’s email scandal. He also launched negotiations with Iran, and later pushed the “Russia collusion” hoax to the media.

In a particularly cruel irony, Sullivan falsely accused former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn of collusion with the Russian government — and is now poised to take the job that Flynn lost, largely on the basis of similar false allegations.

https://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2020/11/23/jake-sullivan-bidens-nsa-pick-tied-to-hillarys-emails-russia-hoax/

Let's also not forget that Ruscia has many NPS in its Western part, some of which are comfortably within air and even artillery strike distance. Off the top of my head Kursk NPS is within 50 miles from Ukrainian border. That's comfortably reachable by Tochka or HIMARS. And while the former is somewhat interceptable by the Ruscist EAD (didn't happen in Berdyansk last Spring though), the latter is absolutely not. So the fucks thinking about covering their conventional ineptitude with nuclear band-aid do have something to think about. Hard.

ZipperTits says

I think Russia will first fully mobilize and throw that at the Ukrainians

ZERG RUSH!!!

Looks like it's fappening:

https://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-politics/russia-prepares-for-mobilization.html

https://www.nationalreview.com/corner/what-would-a-russian-mobilization-look-like/

European Contributions to Ukraine: Under $10B
US Contributions to Ukraine: $80B
Keep in mind the rest of NATO is as rich, maybe richer, than the USA.

NATO:

North
American
Taxes/Troops
Only

Money, weapons, and mercenaries. Just what they can drum up from the intel agencies and the Department of State. Still, no direct troops on the ground, just the Pentagon cucks sending a few advisors and soldiers of fortune.

It does look like Russia is preparing for a major stomp. If NATO won't come to the Russian winter, Russia will destroy Ukraine's infrastructures and Europe's energy supplies and the Russian winter will come to them.

AmericanKulak says

European Contributions to Ukraine: Under $10B
US Contributions to Ukraine: $80B
Keep in mind the rest of NATO is as rich, maybe richer, than the USA.

Makes sense if you think of the war as a way to enrich US weapons makers.

https://t.me/asbmil/5505

Crimeny. They kill that many Ukrainians at least every coupla weeks.
https://t.me/asbmil/5507

Yup, they're getting serious. Ukraine is in for it.
https://t.me/asbmil/5508

So, I guess the Illuminati all think they can bunker up and ride the nukes out while the rest of us fry. Could we be at the end of another cycle of civilization of an endlessly imploding series?
https://t.me/SGTnewsNetwork/32931

Sounds like they are planning to take on more than just Ukraine. Question is, what informations and intelligences did they receive to precipitate these decisions?
https://t.me/SGTnewsNetwork/32935

https://t.me/asbmil/5509

Yeah, but can I AirBnB it during non-nuclear season? https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11215021/Swiss-firm-creates-fortified-underground-bunkers-powerful-individuals-world.htmlhttps://t.me/WeTheMedia/75673

Only 5,937 dead?

Makes total sense why Russia is resorting to using prisoners and reinstating the draft!

This was Russia’s plan all along - right? International humiliation and new NATO members on their borders.

Ceffer says

Yup, they're getting serious. Ukraine is in for it.
https://t.me/asbmil/5508

And extra 300,000 poorly motivated, poorly led, most likely poorly equipped troops is only going to prolong the war. Using leftover WW1 or WW2 rifles and maybe some T55 tanks?

See, no nukes. One just doesn't summon additional 300,000 conscripts if a nuke or two could solve the problem.

What a bunch of clowns:

September 13, 2022
Kremlin Spokesman Says No Mobilization Despite Ukrainian Counteroffensive Success

The Kremlin says there are no plans to announce a full or partial mobilization for Russia's ongoing unprovoked invasion of Ukraine as Russian troops suffer losses and lose territory in the Kharkiv region to a counteroffensive.

"At this point, no, there is no talk about it," Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov said on September 13, answering a journalist’s question about the possibility of a mobilization.

Peskov also said that any criticism of Russian military officials over Ukraine's recent successes on the battlefield in Ukraine's Kharkiv region could be made only "in accordance with the current legislation."

"But the dividing line here is very thin. One should be very careful here [when criticizing Russian military leadership]," Peskov warned, in a thinly veiled reference to a law adopted in March, days after Russian launched its invasion of Ukraine in late February, that criminalized any criticism of the invasion.
...

I think someone is bucking for the toaster…

Interestingly there was a blurb about "Western nuclear blackmail" in the Putler's speech. Means he acknowledges that Ukraine is de-facto under US and UK nuclear umbrella.

Shaman says

I think someone is bucking for the toaster…

Somebody needs to visit an optometrist then.

It's NATO vs. Russia using Ukraine as it's designated cannon fodder. Thank you EU for making Ukraine the seat of all of your criminal enterprises, and then throwing them into the furnace of war while you sit in your Swiss castles and chalets unfazed and unharmed, with your go bags ready for Argentina and Australia.https://t.me/SGTnewsNetwork/32967

Neau-Russia:

https://t.me/asbmil/5519

https://t.me/asbmil/5531

I imagine Odessa is all they need. Ukraine will be so shriveled up at that point without its rivers and ports, Russia can just let it implode on its own.
https://t.me/asbmil/5533

Ceffer says

Thank you EU for making Ukraine the seat of all of your criminal enterprises, and then throwing them into the furnace of war while you sit in your Swiss castles and chalets unfazed and unharmed, with your go bags ready for Argentina and Australia.

One nuke on Davos when the "in" crowd is there would do wonders to liberate humanity.