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I Have Some Bad News About the Economy


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2022 Oct 15, 5:36am   20,757 views  413 comments

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Accounts are widely out of balance

How bad, you might be asking yourself, will the economy get? We’re about to find out.




The orange line is US wealth. The blue line is US GDP. The gap is the amount of wealth American households and non-profits must surrender. You see, these two lines must move in lockstep. They do over time. When they get out of sync, something will put them back into sync.

The gap is debt.

Accounts must be settled. It’s called “a reckoning.” And the reckoning is here knocking on the door.

To put this gap into historical perspective, here’s an extended view of the same data with Dr. Hunt’s markups.




From 1951 to about 1997—the year the Monica Lewinsky story broke and Howe and Strauss published The Fourth Turning—the two lines moved in lockstep. Then Alan Greenspan decided to tinker, to grow wealth without growing GDP and without kicking off inflation. ...

What that gap represents is one of two things:

Money stolen from other people (other economies).

Money stolen from future generations of Americans.

How We Borrow from the Future
A few years ago, in the 1990s, we heard a lot of stories parents going to jail for identify theft perpetrated against their own children. About 1990, the government required babies to have a Social Security Number before they left the hospital. (I remember because it happened between our second and third children.)

Some shiftless parents soon realized they could apply for credit using their kids’ SSNs. They could default, and the creditor could do nothing. You can’t collect from a six-week-old infant.

This, of course, constituted credit fraud, so the parents who did this (and there were many) went to jail. (Not sure what happened to their kids who were left with no parents and lousy FICO score, but that’s not the point.)

The point is, all of us have been doing what those parents do only legally. The government allows us to run up our kids’ and grand kids’ debt as long as we do it with the government’s approved identity-theft programs.

So we did.

If you look at that chart, about 1/3 of our household and non-profit wealth is stolen from other generations or other countries. And we have to pay it back. Now. Or soon. ...

How We Borrow from the World
Some months ago, I wrote a series of posts about the US dollar (USD) as the world’s reserve currency and the petrodollar. (Here and here.) To summarize, almost all international debt is settled with USD regardless of the two local currencies involved. Britain settles its debts with Costa Rica in USD, etc. This includes the oil markets. Saudi Arabia, in turn, buys US treasuries (national debt) as a store of value for its copious oil profits. This allows the US run up massive debt knowing there’s always a market for our bonds.

Until there’s not.

Have you notice that Saudi Arbia is drifting out of the US orbit?

I wrote it about in those earlier posts, but the most certain sign of the Kingdom’s pending divorce with from Uncle Sam happened this week. Saudi Arabia disclosed that Joe Biden tried to strong-arm the Saudis into delaying OPEC+ oil production cuts until after the November elections. In diplomatic worlds, this was a slap in the face insult to the US and, particularly, to the Biden regime.

Rumors say Biden threatened to cut military sales to the Saudis if the OPEC+ cuts were announced before the elections. Not only did OPEC+ announce the cuts on its timetable, the Kingdom told the world about Biden’s threat (without disclosing the exact terms or names). Among “partners,” such public humiliation is a sign of pending breakup.

In return, the State Department and Joe Biden announced they would reevaluate the US’s strategic arrangements with Saudi Arabia after the election. That should be interesting.

What it means is that the US might not have as eager a buyer for debt as we’ve grown accustomed to. And that means the price of US treasuries will decline. Less demand means lower prices. When the price of bond goes down, the interest goes up. ...

I’m not saying the Saudis are about to stop taking our checks—I’m saying the for the first time since the Nixon administration, they’re acting like they might. Which means the are going to demand a bigger discount—the difference between the face value of the bond and sale price. That discount is the interest, and the bigger the discount, the less cash we have to spend tomorrow.

That’s one way to close that gap. You reduce the amount of cash you get in return for a future promise to pay. The amount you owe stays the same, but the amount you get now gets smaller.

How Our Kids Get Their Money Back
Remember the two ways we built that gap between wealth and GDP? That’s the first way. The holder of US treasuries want to cash their bonds, and they don’t want to buy new ones.

The gap begins to shrink, and that shrinking is mostly in household wealth.

The second way is intergenerational theft. So how do our kids and grandkids force their accounts settled?

Have you heard about the labor participation rate? Have you heard about the labor shortage?

An odd thing about the jobs numbers in recent months. While the number of “new jobs,” also known as “new hires,” has been strong, the number of people working has been going down, down, down. Why is that? ...

The kids aren’t taking our post-dated checks, either. They’re simply not participating in the US economy—at least, not in the official US economy. They siphoning of that excess household wealth NOW, in the present. They are not working in ways that grows the blue line (GDP). They’re shrinking the gap by lowering the orange line (wealth).

Wonder where inflation is coming from? We’re spending the excess household wealth without increasing the products and services available to buy with it. Inflation is how future generations close that gap. They spend your excess wealth without producing. And it’s happening right before our eyes. ...

In truth, we will only lose our ill-gotten gains.

While, we didn’t personally rob from the kids and foreigners, we were participants in a rigged game—a game that’s getting unrigged in a hurry. We enjoyed the spoils of the petrodollar and zero interest rates.

This account-settling process is called a reckoning, which sound harsh because it is.

https://www.epsilontheory.com/hollow-men-hollow-markets-hollow-world-2/

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344   AD   2025 Mar 11, 11:54am  

OkDOGEisAmountingToSomething says






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good point given especially Biden's 2023 deficits of $1.65 trillion in Fiscal Years 2023 and $1.9 trillion in Fiscal Year 2024

so the non profits or non government organizations (NGOs) were directly buying stock and its on their balance sheet ?

or the administrators of these organizations who received federal government grant money were buying on margin in the stock market during the Biden admin in order to prop up the market ?

the fundamentals for some stocks like AMZN and GOOGL are a lot better with the ~10% correction of the S&P 500, and we were overdue for a correction or major retracement

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345   HeadSet   2025 Mar 11, 2:20pm  

AD says

the fundamentals for some stocks like AMZN and GOOGL are a lot better with the ~10% correction of the S&P 500, and we were overdue for a correction or major retracement

Good point.
346   Patrick   2025 Mar 11, 2:48pm  

HeadSet says


The goal should be paid off homes and cars.


"Won't you think of the bankers, you sick fuck?"

(paraphrasing Bernie and Warren at Kennedy's confirmation hearing)
347   AD   2025 Mar 16, 4:37pm  

Joann Fabrics filed for bankruptcy.

Dennys announced that it is permanently closing many restaurants, and Hooters is close to bankruptcy.

The Applebees by Walmart on Front Breach Rd in Panama City Beach shut down permanently today, with no advance warning.

And now this working and lower middle class store announced this.

(WHTM) — Dollar General is the latest company to announce plans to close dozens of locations in 2025 amid struggling consumer confidence.

Company officials revealed in last week’s fourth quarter and fiscal year 2024 report that they plan on closing 96 Dollar General store locations “in the first quarter” of the current fiscal year.

Also expected to close are 45 of Dollar General’s home decor stores, pOpshelf. Six pOpshelf locations will be converted into Dollar General locations.
348   ElYorsh   2025 Mar 16, 4:46pm  

I am keeping my fingers crossed that all those bad omens you mention are the not actually omens, but more like the last flowering of these satanic bitches.
349   WookieMan   2025 Mar 16, 4:54pm  

AD says

(WHTM) — Dollar General is the latest company to announce plans to close dozens of locations in 2025 amid struggling consumer confidence.

Dollar General expanded in a lot of cheap land value places expecting demand. People stuck with the mom and pop places if they moved into your town. It's a shit business model and people thinking prices would be cheap.

Also their buildings just barely pass municipal code and look like a pile of shit. They put one in my town and I want to piss on the front door handles at 2am. I just go to the local market that has 90% of what I'd need including hardware. Mom and pop place. I won't step foot in Dollar General unless in an emergency.

Applebees and places like Fridays, Red Lobster are a dying breed. Buffalo Wild Wings is about the only chain I'll go and have 6 wings and a beer. Locally owned is the only thing I generally go to. Or dive bars when traveling.
350   AD   2025 Mar 18, 6:15pm  

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Likely there is at least a 5% drop from last year as far as sales tax and bed tax receipts based on this statistic.

Also there has been many references to "demographic shifts or changes" on Patrick.net , so perhaps we should be shorting Harley Davidson stock since the generations after General X have little interest in riding on motorcycles ? Its stock price is at 1999's levels :-/



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351   AD   2025 Mar 18, 9:10pm  

S&P 500 real or inflation-adjusted gain is about 5% for last 3 and 1/2 months , averaging about a 1.5% annual gain for the stated time period


352   WookieMan   2025 Mar 19, 3:10am  

AD says

Also there has been many references to "demographic shifts or changes" on Patrick.net , so perhaps we should be shorting Harley Davidson stock since the generations after General X have little interest in riding on motorcycles ? Its stock price is at 1999's levels :-/

Screw HD. Watch South Park, they're fags. I think motorcycles were the dumbest human creation for movement around. I hate bicycle riders as well. You're going to die using anything on two wheels.

Probability of death on a motorcycle is exponentially worse. Helmet or not. Not gonna link it as it's obvious. Younger generations also don't like Harleys either. My buddies that ride are the BMW touring style type bikes. Also people don't appreciate the noise of illegal exhaust from Harleys. It's a dying bread of small dick dudes.

If cops did their job Harleys wouldn't even be on the road. Call me a Karen, don't give a shit. They're a nuisance to society.
353   AD   2025 Mar 20, 10:22am  

From NBC News, and this is not a good sign as its a possible sign of desperation for working class who use Door Dash.

I've always been surprised learning about how a large percentage of Door Dash customers in the Panama City Florida area are working class.

Combine this with the recent news about subprime auto loan defaults :-(

*******

Klarna, the buy now, pay later lender that’s headed for an initial public offering, said on Thursday that it’s signed on DoorDash as a partner, another sign of momentum for public market investors.

It’s DoorDash’s first BNPL alliance and gives users of the restaurant delivery service a new way to pay for meals. Klarna said in a press release that DoorDash customers will be able to pay in full at checkout, split payments into four equal interest-free installments, or defer to dates that align conveniently with payday schedules.

Klarna, which is headquartered in Sweden, filed its prospectus last week to list on the New York Stock Exchange. Revenue last year increased 24% to $2.8 billion, and adjusted operating profit was $181 million, swinging from a loss of $49 million a year earlier. CNBC reported on Monday that Klarna will be the exclusive provider of buy now, pay later loans for Walmart, taking a coveted partnership away from rival Affirm.

“Our partnership with DoorDash marks an important milestone in Klarna’s expansion into everyday spending categories,” said David Sykes, Klarna’s chief commercial officer, in Thursday’s release.
355   MolotovCocktail   2025 Mar 20, 12:40pm  

AD says

From NBC News, and this is not a good sign as its a possible sign of desperation for working class who use Door Dash.


It's what all businesses aspire to be: in the finance business.
357   Misc   2025 Mar 20, 2:54pm  

Lemme guess...the standard 30 year repayment period ???
358   Misc   2025 Mar 20, 10:28pm  

Then some brilliant banker will let the college kids do a cash out re-fi for a cheeseburger.

All rated AAA, of course.

As solid as any student loan.
359   AD   2025 Mar 21, 11:25am  

AD says

From NBC News, and this is not a good sign as its a possible sign of desperation for working class who use Door Dash.

I've always been surprised learning about how a large percentage of Door Dash customers in the Panama City Florida area are working class.

Combine this with the recent news about subprime auto loan defaults :-(

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Klarna, the buy now, pay later lender that’s headed for an initial public offering, said on Thursday that it’s signed on DoorDash as a partner, another sign of momentum for public market investors.


Now CNN says this is a warning sign of a souring economy


360   MolotovCocktail   2025 Mar 21, 12:02pm  

Misc says

Then some brilliant banker will let the college kids do a cash out re-fi for a cheeseburger.

All rated AAA, of course.

As solid as any student loan.


https://patrick.net/comment?comment_id=2160462
362   Glock-n-Load   2025 Mar 24, 7:00pm  

100? Out of 1,500,000?
363   AD   2025 Mar 24, 8:11pm  

Glock-n-Load says

100? Out of 1,500,000?


It should be hiring more works not laying off. This may be because the economy is slowing as part of the Biden recession just like the Clinton recession of 2001.
364   Eric Holder   2025 Mar 25, 11:15am  

The latest consumer confidence index reading from the Conference Board was 92.9 in March, below the 100.1 seen in February and the lowest level in more than four years. The expectations index, which is based on consumers' short-term outlook for income, business, and labor market conditions, ticked down to 65.2 from 72.9 and remained below the threshold of 80 — which typically signals recession ahead — for the second straight month.

This marked a 12-year low for the expectations index, which was driven in part by consumers' expectations of their financial situation hitting its lowest level in more than two years.
365   Eric Holder   2025 Mar 25, 11:18am  

AD says


This may be because the economy is slowing as part of the Biden recession just like the Clinton recession of 2001.


Somebody ran on improving the economy. That somebody needs to fucking stand and deliver. I'd say that somebody should put things he didn't run on (Greenland, Panama canal, etc) on a backburner and concentrate on the things he promised he'd improve. Delivering tax cuts and deregulation would be a step in the right direction.
366   AD   2025 Mar 26, 1:45pm  

Eric Holder says

I'd say that somebody should put things he didn't run on (Greenland, Panama canal, etc) on a backburner and concentrate on the things he promised he'd improve. Delivering tax cuts and deregulation would be a step in the right direction.


Yeah Trump is in character thinking of his legacy and achieving some Monroe Doctrine style gain by getting Greenland to become another Puerto Rico or Guam.

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367   AD   2025 Apr 1, 9:55pm  

Kulak had a good post at : https://patrick.net/post/1344883/2022-04-30-housing-prices-peak-2?start=6124#comment-2163660

He was showing how vacation rentals in Panama City Beach are being discounted in a slow economy.

Yes as even Panama City Beach's Tourist Development Council's manager Dan Rowe stated recently: "Mr. Rowe stated that current trends show that Spring business needs a boost as March is trending a little soft."

I think for Dan Rowe to say this is an understatement and what is interesting is the January and February 2025 bed tax or tourism tax reports are still not posted on the Tourist Development Council's website.
368   AD   2025 Apr 1, 10:04pm  

As a continuation of my above post 367, the Panama City Beach Florida's bed tax or tourism tax receipts for November and December 2024 are about 2 to 3% below 2021, 2022, 2023 and 2024 receipts.
371   WookieMan   2025 Apr 15, 12:14pm  

MolotovCocktail says





This has to be the major auto dealership or lenders. Small places have no issue with usury rates on any car or the person buying.

Also most of the declined likely are deadbeats. Remember 40 something percent of this country doesn't pay taxes. So ~33% isn't a big shocker.
372   Misc   2025 Apr 15, 5:21pm  

Nope, the increase is because the illegals get turned down, but try, try again.
373   GNL   2025 Apr 15, 5:58pm  

Misc says

Nope, the increase is because the illegals get turned down, but try, try again.

Where did you read this? I assume banks are declining loans to illegals because they may get deported?
374   WookieMan   2025 Apr 15, 7:46pm  

Misc says

Nope, the increase is because the illegals get turned down, but try, try again.

Illegals are a non-factor. Small used car dealers will sell to anyone with a pulse. They don't care about legal status because they can repo the car the minute you miss a 25% interest payment and still walk out ahead. That's the game.

The majors will decline you for sure, but I don't think this accounts for small dealers not affiliated with Ford, Chevy, Toyota, etc.
375   Misc   2025 Apr 15, 8:03pm  

GNL says

Where did you read this? I assume banks are declining loans to illegals because they may get deported?


I simply used logic to come to a decent conclusion.
376   WookieMan   2025 Apr 15, 9:51pm  

Misc says

I simply used logic to come to a decent conclusion.

Nothing to do with illegals. Would you turn down 25% on car you can repo in 3 months either legal or not? You're taking the deal knowing you'll have to get the car back at some point. If you get a year of payments at 25% and you get the asset back, you made bank. They don't care about your legal status if you can qualify for a loan on probably a $10k car.
377   Misc   2025 Apr 16, 12:43am  

WookieMan says

Nothing to do with illegals. Would you turn down 25% on car you can repo in 3 months either legal or not? You're taking the deal knowing you'll have to get the car back at some point. If you get a year of payments at 25% and you get the asset back, you made bank. They don't care about your legal status if you can qualify for a loan on probably a $10k car.


OK, what is your explanation as to why there is a massive increase in auto loans being REJECTED ????
378   RC2006   2025 Apr 16, 5:58am  

Most illegals i would think buy cheap cars cash, not like they are getting insurance or anything.
379   Glock-n-Load   2025 Apr 16, 6:23am  

Misc says

WookieMan says


Nothing to do with illegals. Would you turn down 25% on car you can repo in 3 months either legal or not? You're taking the deal knowing you'll have to get the car back at some point. If you get a year of payments at 25% and you get the asset back, you made bank. They don't care about your legal status if you can qualify for a loan on probably a $10k car.


OK, what is your explanation as to why there is a massive increase in auto loans being REJECTED ????

Credit scores? High DTI? Job losses? I would think Auto loan rejection spiking would be a sign of something though seeing that it’s so easy to buy a car.
380   HeadSet   2025 Apr 16, 7:12am  

Glock-n-Load says

Auto loan rejection spiking would be a sign of something though seeing that it’s so easy to buy a car.

It may be the size of the loans. Loans were safer when they were cars were under $20k than making loans for $45k and up.
381   MolotovCocktail   2025 Apr 16, 3:38pm  

WookieMan says

Illegals are a non-factor. Small used car dealers will sell to anyone with a pulse. They don't care about legal status because they can repo the car the minute you miss a 25% interest payment and still walk out ahead. That's the game.


Not if the car is south of the border.
382   stereotomy   2025 Apr 16, 4:59pm  

Glock-n-Load says

Misc says


WookieMan says



Nothing to do with illegals. Would you turn down 25% on car you can repo in 3 months either legal or not? You're taking the deal knowing you'll have to get the car back at some point. If you get a year of payments at 25% and you get the asset back, you made bank. They don't care about your legal status if you can qualify for a loan on probably a $10k car.


OK, what is your explanation as to why there is a massive increase in auto loans being REJECTED ????


Credit scores? High DTI? Job losses? I would think Auto loan rejection spiking would be a sign of something though seeing that it’s so easy to buy a car.

Most used car dealers have financing from major banks - it's called indirect lending. Even the big automakers utilize banks for extending credit for purchases. It's the banks that are dialing back lending. Dealers just plug in info and the banks use automated scorecards to render near instant credit decisions. If the banks decide that they need to reduce their book, then more rejections.
383   AD   2025 Apr 16, 5:06pm  



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