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I Have Some Bad News About the Economy


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2022 Oct 15, 5:36am   21,516 views  423 comments

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Accounts are widely out of balance

How bad, you might be asking yourself, will the economy get? We’re about to find out.




The orange line is US wealth. The blue line is US GDP. The gap is the amount of wealth American households and non-profits must surrender. You see, these two lines must move in lockstep. They do over time. When they get out of sync, something will put them back into sync.

The gap is debt.

Accounts must be settled. It’s called “a reckoning.” And the reckoning is here knocking on the door.

To put this gap into historical perspective, here’s an extended view of the same data with Dr. Hunt’s markups.




From 1951 to about 1997—the year the Monica Lewinsky story broke and Howe and Strauss published The Fourth Turning—the two lines moved in lockstep. Then Alan Greenspan decided to tinker, to grow wealth without growing GDP and without kicking off inflation. ...

What that gap represents is one of two things:

Money stolen from other people (other economies).

Money stolen from future generations of Americans.

How We Borrow from the Future
A few years ago, in the 1990s, we heard a lot of stories parents going to jail for identify theft perpetrated against their own children. About 1990, the government required babies to have a Social Security Number before they left the hospital. (I remember because it happened between our second and third children.)

Some shiftless parents soon realized they could apply for credit using their kids’ SSNs. They could default, and the creditor could do nothing. You can’t collect from a six-week-old infant.

This, of course, constituted credit fraud, so the parents who did this (and there were many) went to jail. (Not sure what happened to their kids who were left with no parents and lousy FICO score, but that’s not the point.)

The point is, all of us have been doing what those parents do only legally. The government allows us to run up our kids’ and grand kids’ debt as long as we do it with the government’s approved identity-theft programs.

So we did.

If you look at that chart, about 1/3 of our household and non-profit wealth is stolen from other generations or other countries. And we have to pay it back. Now. Or soon. ...

How We Borrow from the World
Some months ago, I wrote a series of posts about the US dollar (USD) as the world’s reserve currency and the petrodollar. (Here and here.) To summarize, almost all international debt is settled with USD regardless of the two local currencies involved. Britain settles its debts with Costa Rica in USD, etc. This includes the oil markets. Saudi Arabia, in turn, buys US treasuries (national debt) as a store of value for its copious oil profits. This allows the US run up massive debt knowing there’s always a market for our bonds.

Until there’s not.

Have you notice that Saudi Arbia is drifting out of the US orbit?

I wrote it about in those earlier posts, but the most certain sign of the Kingdom’s pending divorce with from Uncle Sam happened this week. Saudi Arabia disclosed that Joe Biden tried to strong-arm the Saudis into delaying OPEC+ oil production cuts until after the November elections. In diplomatic worlds, this was a slap in the face insult to the US and, particularly, to the Biden regime.

Rumors say Biden threatened to cut military sales to the Saudis if the OPEC+ cuts were announced before the elections. Not only did OPEC+ announce the cuts on its timetable, the Kingdom told the world about Biden’s threat (without disclosing the exact terms or names). Among “partners,” such public humiliation is a sign of pending breakup.

In return, the State Department and Joe Biden announced they would reevaluate the US’s strategic arrangements with Saudi Arabia after the election. That should be interesting.

What it means is that the US might not have as eager a buyer for debt as we’ve grown accustomed to. And that means the price of US treasuries will decline. Less demand means lower prices. When the price of bond goes down, the interest goes up. ...

I’m not saying the Saudis are about to stop taking our checks—I’m saying the for the first time since the Nixon administration, they’re acting like they might. Which means the are going to demand a bigger discount—the difference between the face value of the bond and sale price. That discount is the interest, and the bigger the discount, the less cash we have to spend tomorrow.

That’s one way to close that gap. You reduce the amount of cash you get in return for a future promise to pay. The amount you owe stays the same, but the amount you get now gets smaller.

How Our Kids Get Their Money Back
Remember the two ways we built that gap between wealth and GDP? That’s the first way. The holder of US treasuries want to cash their bonds, and they don’t want to buy new ones.

The gap begins to shrink, and that shrinking is mostly in household wealth.

The second way is intergenerational theft. So how do our kids and grandkids force their accounts settled?

Have you heard about the labor participation rate? Have you heard about the labor shortage?

An odd thing about the jobs numbers in recent months. While the number of “new jobs,” also known as “new hires,” has been strong, the number of people working has been going down, down, down. Why is that? ...

The kids aren’t taking our post-dated checks, either. They’re simply not participating in the US economy—at least, not in the official US economy. They siphoning of that excess household wealth NOW, in the present. They are not working in ways that grows the blue line (GDP). They’re shrinking the gap by lowering the orange line (wealth).

Wonder where inflation is coming from? We’re spending the excess household wealth without increasing the products and services available to buy with it. Inflation is how future generations close that gap. They spend your excess wealth without producing. And it’s happening right before our eyes. ...

In truth, we will only lose our ill-gotten gains.

While, we didn’t personally rob from the kids and foreigners, we were participants in a rigged game—a game that’s getting unrigged in a hurry. We enjoyed the spoils of the petrodollar and zero interest rates.

This account-settling process is called a reckoning, which sound harsh because it is.

https://www.epsilontheory.com/hollow-men-hollow-markets-hollow-world-2/

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352   WookieMan   2025 Mar 19, 3:10am  

AD says

Also there has been many references to "demographic shifts or changes" on Patrick.net , so perhaps we should be shorting Harley Davidson stock since the generations after General X have little interest in riding on motorcycles ? Its stock price is at 1999's levels :-/

Screw HD. Watch South Park, they're fags. I think motorcycles were the dumbest human creation for movement around. I hate bicycle riders as well. You're going to die using anything on two wheels.

Probability of death on a motorcycle is exponentially worse. Helmet or not. Not gonna link it as it's obvious. Younger generations also don't like Harleys either. My buddies that ride are the BMW touring style type bikes. Also people don't appreciate the noise of illegal exhaust from Harleys. It's a dying bread of small dick dudes.

If cops did their job Harleys wouldn't even be on the road. Call me a Karen, don't give a shit. They're a nuisance to society.
353   AD   2025 Mar 20, 10:22am  

From NBC News, and this is not a good sign as its a possible sign of desperation for working class who use Door Dash.

I've always been surprised learning about how a large percentage of Door Dash customers in the Panama City Florida area are working class.

Combine this with the recent news about subprime auto loan defaults :-(

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Klarna, the buy now, pay later lender that’s headed for an initial public offering, said on Thursday that it’s signed on DoorDash as a partner, another sign of momentum for public market investors.

It’s DoorDash’s first BNPL alliance and gives users of the restaurant delivery service a new way to pay for meals. Klarna said in a press release that DoorDash customers will be able to pay in full at checkout, split payments into four equal interest-free installments, or defer to dates that align conveniently with payday schedules.

Klarna, which is headquartered in Sweden, filed its prospectus last week to list on the New York Stock Exchange. Revenue last year increased 24% to $2.8 billion, and adjusted operating profit was $181 million, swinging from a loss of $49 million a year earlier. CNBC reported on Monday that Klarna will be the exclusive provider of buy now, pay later loans for Walmart, taking a coveted partnership away from rival Affirm.

“Our partnership with DoorDash marks an important milestone in Klarna’s expansion into everyday spending categories,” said David Sykes, Klarna’s chief commercial officer, in Thursday’s release.
355   MolotovCocktail   2025 Mar 20, 12:40pm  

AD says

From NBC News, and this is not a good sign as its a possible sign of desperation for working class who use Door Dash.


It's what all businesses aspire to be: in the finance business.
357   Misc   2025 Mar 20, 2:54pm  

Lemme guess...the standard 30 year repayment period ???
358   Misc   2025 Mar 20, 10:28pm  

Then some brilliant banker will let the college kids do a cash out re-fi for a cheeseburger.

All rated AAA, of course.

As solid as any student loan.
359   AD   2025 Mar 21, 11:25am  

AD says

From NBC News, and this is not a good sign as its a possible sign of desperation for working class who use Door Dash.

I've always been surprised learning about how a large percentage of Door Dash customers in the Panama City Florida area are working class.

Combine this with the recent news about subprime auto loan defaults :-(

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Klarna, the buy now, pay later lender that’s headed for an initial public offering, said on Thursday that it’s signed on DoorDash as a partner, another sign of momentum for public market investors.


Now CNN says this is a warning sign of a souring economy


360   MolotovCocktail   2025 Mar 21, 12:02pm  

Misc says

Then some brilliant banker will let the college kids do a cash out re-fi for a cheeseburger.

All rated AAA, of course.

As solid as any student loan.


https://patrick.net/comment?comment_id=2160462
362   Glock-n-Load   2025 Mar 24, 7:00pm  

100? Out of 1,500,000?
363   AD   2025 Mar 24, 8:11pm  

Glock-n-Load says

100? Out of 1,500,000?


It should be hiring more works not laying off. This may be because the economy is slowing as part of the Biden recession just like the Clinton recession of 2001.
364   Eric Holder   2025 Mar 25, 11:15am  

The latest consumer confidence index reading from the Conference Board was 92.9 in March, below the 100.1 seen in February and the lowest level in more than four years. The expectations index, which is based on consumers' short-term outlook for income, business, and labor market conditions, ticked down to 65.2 from 72.9 and remained below the threshold of 80 — which typically signals recession ahead — for the second straight month.

This marked a 12-year low for the expectations index, which was driven in part by consumers' expectations of their financial situation hitting its lowest level in more than two years.
365   Eric Holder   2025 Mar 25, 11:18am  

AD says


This may be because the economy is slowing as part of the Biden recession just like the Clinton recession of 2001.


Somebody ran on improving the economy. That somebody needs to fucking stand and deliver. I'd say that somebody should put things he didn't run on (Greenland, Panama canal, etc) on a backburner and concentrate on the things he promised he'd improve. Delivering tax cuts and deregulation would be a step in the right direction.
366   AD   2025 Mar 26, 1:45pm  

Eric Holder says

I'd say that somebody should put things he didn't run on (Greenland, Panama canal, etc) on a backburner and concentrate on the things he promised he'd improve. Delivering tax cuts and deregulation would be a step in the right direction.


Yeah Trump is in character thinking of his legacy and achieving some Monroe Doctrine style gain by getting Greenland to become another Puerto Rico or Guam.

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367   AD   2025 Apr 1, 9:55pm  

Kulak had a good post at : https://patrick.net/post/1344883/2022-04-30-housing-prices-peak-2?start=6124#comment-2163660

He was showing how vacation rentals in Panama City Beach are being discounted in a slow economy.

Yes as even Panama City Beach's Tourist Development Council's manager Dan Rowe stated recently: "Mr. Rowe stated that current trends show that Spring business needs a boost as March is trending a little soft."

I think for Dan Rowe to say this is an understatement and what is interesting is the January and February 2025 bed tax or tourism tax reports are still not posted on the Tourist Development Council's website.
368   AD   2025 Apr 1, 10:04pm  

As a continuation of my above post 367, the Panama City Beach Florida's bed tax or tourism tax receipts for November and December 2024 are about 2 to 3% below 2021, 2022, 2023 and 2024 receipts.
371   WookieMan   2025 Apr 15, 12:14pm  

MolotovCocktail says





This has to be the major auto dealership or lenders. Small places have no issue with usury rates on any car or the person buying.

Also most of the declined likely are deadbeats. Remember 40 something percent of this country doesn't pay taxes. So ~33% isn't a big shocker.
372   Misc   2025 Apr 15, 5:21pm  

Nope, the increase is because the illegals get turned down, but try, try again.
373   GNL   2025 Apr 15, 5:58pm  

Misc says

Nope, the increase is because the illegals get turned down, but try, try again.

Where did you read this? I assume banks are declining loans to illegals because they may get deported?
374   WookieMan   2025 Apr 15, 7:46pm  

Misc says

Nope, the increase is because the illegals get turned down, but try, try again.

Illegals are a non-factor. Small used car dealers will sell to anyone with a pulse. They don't care about legal status because they can repo the car the minute you miss a 25% interest payment and still walk out ahead. That's the game.

The majors will decline you for sure, but I don't think this accounts for small dealers not affiliated with Ford, Chevy, Toyota, etc.
375   Misc   2025 Apr 15, 8:03pm  

GNL says

Where did you read this? I assume banks are declining loans to illegals because they may get deported?


I simply used logic to come to a decent conclusion.
376   WookieMan   2025 Apr 15, 9:51pm  

Misc says

I simply used logic to come to a decent conclusion.

Nothing to do with illegals. Would you turn down 25% on car you can repo in 3 months either legal or not? You're taking the deal knowing you'll have to get the car back at some point. If you get a year of payments at 25% and you get the asset back, you made bank. They don't care about your legal status if you can qualify for a loan on probably a $10k car.
377   Misc   2025 Apr 16, 12:43am  

WookieMan says

Nothing to do with illegals. Would you turn down 25% on car you can repo in 3 months either legal or not? You're taking the deal knowing you'll have to get the car back at some point. If you get a year of payments at 25% and you get the asset back, you made bank. They don't care about your legal status if you can qualify for a loan on probably a $10k car.


OK, what is your explanation as to why there is a massive increase in auto loans being REJECTED ????
378   🎂 RC2006   2025 Apr 16, 5:58am  

Most illegals i would think buy cheap cars cash, not like they are getting insurance or anything.
379   Glock-n-Load   2025 Apr 16, 6:23am  

Misc says

WookieMan says


Nothing to do with illegals. Would you turn down 25% on car you can repo in 3 months either legal or not? You're taking the deal knowing you'll have to get the car back at some point. If you get a year of payments at 25% and you get the asset back, you made bank. They don't care about your legal status if you can qualify for a loan on probably a $10k car.


OK, what is your explanation as to why there is a massive increase in auto loans being REJECTED ????

Credit scores? High DTI? Job losses? I would think Auto loan rejection spiking would be a sign of something though seeing that it’s so easy to buy a car.
380   HeadSet   2025 Apr 16, 7:12am  

Glock-n-Load says

Auto loan rejection spiking would be a sign of something though seeing that it’s so easy to buy a car.

It may be the size of the loans. Loans were safer when they were cars were under $20k than making loans for $45k and up.
381   MolotovCocktail   2025 Apr 16, 3:38pm  

WookieMan says

Illegals are a non-factor. Small used car dealers will sell to anyone with a pulse. They don't care about legal status because they can repo the car the minute you miss a 25% interest payment and still walk out ahead. That's the game.


Not if the car is south of the border.
382   stereotomy   2025 Apr 16, 4:59pm  

Glock-n-Load says

Misc says


WookieMan says



Nothing to do with illegals. Would you turn down 25% on car you can repo in 3 months either legal or not? You're taking the deal knowing you'll have to get the car back at some point. If you get a year of payments at 25% and you get the asset back, you made bank. They don't care about your legal status if you can qualify for a loan on probably a $10k car.


OK, what is your explanation as to why there is a massive increase in auto loans being REJECTED ????


Credit scores? High DTI? Job losses? I would think Auto loan rejection spiking would be a sign of something though seeing that it’s so easy to buy a car.

Most used car dealers have financing from major banks - it's called indirect lending. Even the big automakers utilize banks for extending credit for purchases. It's the banks that are dialing back lending. Dealers just plug in info and the banks use automated scorecards to render near instant credit decisions. If the banks decide that they need to reduce their book, then more rejections.
383   AD   2025 Apr 16, 5:06pm  



384   AD   2025 Apr 27, 8:12am  



385   HeadSet   2025 Apr 27, 8:46am  

AD says





This is highly massaged statistics.

First of all, it compares 1% Wealth with Middle Class Income. To be real, it should compare top 1% income earners with middle class income earners.
Secondly, no account for accumulated wealth of retirees. That is, folks with a paid for house and stocks in a 401K but little income.
386   AD   2025 Apr 27, 9:24am  

HeadSet says

AD says






This is highly massaged statistics.

First of all, it compares 1% Wealth with Middle Class Income. To be real, it should compare top 1% income earners with middle class income earners.
Secondly, no account for accumulated wealth of retirees. That is, folks with a paid for house and stocks in a 401K but little income.


It compares how much wealth or equity is owned by the top 1% earners versus the "middle class earners" (which the chart defines as 20th to 80th percentile range). Top 1% are lawyers, doctors, CEO's, Hollywood actors, small business owners, etc.

This chart clearly tells me "middle class earners" are a lot less wealthy since 1993 (Bill Clinton's first term) ; this demographic group includes the working class. The large of a wealth decrease is too significant to be ignored or marginalized.

Also what is missing from the chart is the earners between 2nd to 19th percentile.

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387   Patrick   2025 Apr 27, 10:47am  

WookieMan says

This has to be the major auto dealership or lenders.


I've read that the second big tool the Fed has to heat or cool the economy after interest rates is lending standards.

The Fed and tighten or loosen the downpayment requirement, etc.
388   AD   2025 Apr 27, 2:14pm  

Patrick says


The Fed and tighten or loosen the downpayment requirement, etc.


Right now I've read the VA allows up to 41% of household income going to housing costs. When we got our VA mortgage back in summer 2016 they told us it was 34%.

And I have a friend who recently shopped around for an apartment in Colorado Springs and those apartment complexes are approving based on a maximum of 50% of household income paying for rent.

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390   AD   2025 Apr 27, 5:11pm  

MolotovCocktail says






1) https://cointelegraph.com/news/tether-becomes-7th-largest-us-treasury-holder-stablecoin-growth

Tether, the $143-billion stablecoin giant, was the world’s seventh-largest buyer of US Treasurys, surpassing some of the world’s largest countries.

Tether, the world’s largest stablecoin, was the world’s seventh-largest US Treasury buyer, surpassing Canada, Taiwan, Mexico, Norway, Hong Kong and numerous other countries.

The stablecoin issuer acquired over $33.1 billion worth of Treasurys, compared to over $100 billion purchased by the Cayman Islands in the first place in global rankings, according to Paolo Ardoino, CEO of Tether.

“Tether was the 7th largest buyer of US Treasurys in 2024, compared to Countries,” wrote Ardoino in a March 20 X post.

2) https://blockchain.news/flashnews/us-treasury-funds-hit-record-19-billion-weekly-inflows-implications-for-bond-and-crypto-markets

According to The Kobeissi Letter, US Treasury funds received a record $19 billion in net inflows last week, surpassing the previous high of $14 billion during the 2020 pandemic (source: @KobeissiLetter, April 26, 2025). The 4-week moving average now stands at $7 billion, the highest since March 2023. This surge in demand for US Treasuries signals increased investor preference for safe-haven assets, potentially putting downward pressure on bond yields. For crypto traders, this shift may indicate reduced risk appetite in traditional markets, which historically correlates with short-term volatility in Bitcoin and altcoins as capital temporarily flows out of risk assets (source: @KobeissiLetter)
391   AD   2025 Apr 27, 9:27pm  

It looks like stablecoins like Tether will help to increase demand for US Treasuries which may help to reduce Treasury rates, and take some burden off of the Federal Reserve as far as the Federal Reserve buying US Treasuries.

Banks still have unrealized losses on their books because of US Treasuries decreasing in price from 2022 to 2024. Examine what happened with Silicon Valley Bank. Hopefully these unrealized losses will continue to decrease so the banks return to positive equity within 5 years.

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