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The NYTimes? Paywall for garbage! Give us a break from obvious propaganda.
It is impossible not to offend a leftist when speaking the truth.
I think most people agree its ok for people not to be vaccinated if they are in a shack in the mountains, and aren't going to be mixing with people. And I think most people agree that a private house or club can set inclusion requirements like vaccine. Do we agree up to that point?
This is a judgement call honestly with a sliding scale for risk benefit
Patrick I have also seen some of your comments on this topic which I regard as over the top... Hanging people etc.... So while I actually agree with you on the point of mandates, I think your position is missing the nuance of risk benefit analysis and is pretty stark rhetoric.
enable javascript for imasdk.googleapis.com (That usually gets the Rumble vids going for me).
DeficitHawk says
This is a judgement call honestly with a sliding scale for risk benefit
I disagree. There is never, under any circumstances, justification for demanding that anyone be injected with anything and imposing penalties if they are not.
I think the fallacy of "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few" is the core evil of Communism, and of modern times in general. The train-track thought experiment is invalid. You never know what the results of deliberately killing an innocent person will be. No innocent person should be deliberately killed under any real-world circumstances.
Since you do not believe in Democracy (because the majority would have voted to have everyone vaccinated), it would be interesting to know your core beliefs on who should be able to set the rules for society.
because I think it is unamerican to promote the narrative he is promoting.
How do you verify if your vote was counted correctly without giving up anonymity?
I'd like to see a system that allows for making sure your.vote was counted as cast, and allow auditing that extra votes were not cast, but not give up anonymity.
In America under the Constitution, Democracy comes with protections in the Bill of Rights, for example.
I was talking about America.
Misc says
Since you do not believe in Democracy (because the majority would have voted to have everyone vaccinated), it would be interesting to know your core beliefs on who should be able to set the rules for society.
That's a deliberately personal comment, trolling in order to inflame, but I won't mark it personal.
Democracy does not and never did mean that the minority can be oppressed by the majority. It means "majority rule, minority rights". Those rights are in the Constitution and Bill of Rights, and arguably in the Nuremberg Code as well.
As cisTits put it, we don't have a (direct) democracy, and that is a feature, not a bug. It was planned that way, as is documented in The Federalist Papers.
The public sets the rules for society by electing representatives to create and enforce those rules, but only within the limits prescrib...
Here's a video where they claim that when they put up their data, it got hacked by the Chinese actors and the servers were wiped.
But if I want someone to have a vaccine before coming to my house, that up to me. people dont have to come to my house. If my mom who is diabetic and high risk profile wants to set the same requirement, she can.
Its not a hippa violation to ask someone about their health or communicable diseases or vaccine status.
Verifying that your own vote was recorded correctly is ez. But I can't think of a great way to ensure additional votes were not added.
Give each voter a printout which has :
-a summary of their votes,
-a unique/unpredictable vote record id
-a checksum of those votes and their voter id number. like SHA(vote1 + vote2 + ... voteN + voterId + voteRecordId)
Then the user can (and should as their civic duty), verify online that their vote was recorded as they cast it by checking a a website - they enter a vote record id, and can view the votes associated w/ that id. If they see a problem, the...
I don't think Trump has ever been nearly as divisive and inflammatory as Biden was in his obviously Nazi-inspired speech about MAGA:
DeficitHawk is a Democrat debating, so he's an existence proof of at least one
He lumps all Trump/MAGA supporters together into a group and attacks them as unamerican because of election denying and the violence that came from it.
Trump did not start an insurrection. He held a crybaby rally that everyone knew wasn’t going to change the outcome of anything.
Since you do not believe in Democracy
“Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what they are going to have for lunch.“
Did you know there were leftist instigators (Antifa types) as well as federal undercover agents in the mostly peaceful crowd that day? What happened should not have happened and I condemn the violence of that day.
So who is responsible for the anti police riots all over the country? The crowds or the mostly far left liberal politicians and activists like Maxine Waters who were using incendiary rhetoric?
By the way there was a peaceful transfer of power. Trump moved out of the White House without incident and the new potatus was installed behind a barbed wire fence surrounded by 20,000 soldiers. Not a shot was fired, not a slap in the face was made, nobody even spit on anyone.
I wont defend those riots or the people spinning the narrative that supported them.
OK Mell, I have to ask you to cite the Hipaa regulation that prevents me from asking someone if they have a disease or were vaccinated for it.
I do not believe it exists, but if you cite it I will change my opinion.
As far as I know, Hipaa places restrictions on the doctors/medical providers that they can not release information without the patients consent. It does not place restriction on me from asking about someone's health or vaccine status, nor does it place restriction on their response.
Will you condemn them?
You can ask anyone if they are vaccinated but they don't have to tell you.
mell says
You can ask anyone if they are vaccinated but they don't have to tell you.
Oh yes, of course. This all has nothing to do with HIPAA. I thought you were saying HIPAA has relevant restrictions.
If somebody wants to live in the boonies and not be vaccinated that's their business. But if they want to come to my house, they better not bring polio.
I'm also not sure the comment about living in the boonies??
It's a mathematical impossibility they died FROM covid.
vaccines did lower the death rate after they were introduced.
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By polite, I mean refraining from attacking the person in either direction, but sticking to points of argument instead. So no "You are a (whatever)" will not be allowed. The only appropriate use of "you" will be "Here you said..."
I just ran into an old guy in a cafe who pointed in the newspaper to the governor results in California, which added up to 110%. I said, "well, that's California" and so he accused me of being an "election denier". I asked if he'd seen "2000 Mules" and he said he hadn't "because it's been debunked". Uh, it's the same people who committed the election fraud who are claiming that "2000 Mules" was debunked.
Nor had he heard what was on Hunter's laptop, since he watches only corporate news.
I think I might have made a dent in his wall of denial, and I'd like to try with others.