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A lot of rain happened around here lately.

The great drought has been due almost in entirely around the world due to upstream NGO controlled Nations, restricting flow to downstream rivers. The reservoirs and damns are starting to reach their limit, and with the added rain, water is having to be released now to stop catastrophic failure.

The one that insults my intelligence is the reports that the Mighty Mississippi was drying up.
In order for that to happen, the Great lakes would have to dry up. Along with the
Missouri River
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=The+Missouri+River&t=opera&ia=web

Arkansas River
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=The+Arkansas+River&t=opera&ia=web

Tennessee River
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=The+Tennessee++River&t=opera&ia=web

But as you can see not a single one of those water ways are being reported as experiencing record drought, like the Mississippi River search results returns.
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=The+Mississippi+River&t=opera&ia=web

Those other searches only return river facts, tourism, boating, other fun facts about those rivers. Where as the Mississippi River results whole page is doom and gloom, after the Wiki and Google top page jargon.

Even the Great Lakes aren't experiencing drought. .
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=the+Great+Lakes&t=opera&ia=web

Only the Mississippi River go figure, the sources are all brimming with water, but the MR water way is in a drought. RIGHT!
It's the same story in Asia, and Europe as well, if you poke around and look. Turkey is flushed with Water, while the lower Euphrates, and Tigress rivers are dry.

Tenpoundbass says

reports that the Mighty Mississippi was drying up.
In order for that to happen, the Great lakes would have to dry up. Along with the
Missouri River

The Great Lakes primarily empties into the Atlantic Ocean via the St. Lawrence river with negligible impact on the Mississippi River water levels.

That being said:

LAKE LEVEL CONDITIONS

The forecasted Great Lakes water levels for November 11th are 1 to 3 inches below lake levels of a month ago. Lake Superior is 7 inches above its level of a year ago, while the other lakes are 8 to 19 inches below last year’s levels. Forecasted water levels for November 11th indicate Lake Ontario continues to be below its long-term November monthly average level, while the remaining lakes range from 4 to 10 inches above their respective November average levels. Lakes Superior, MichiganHuron, St. Clair, and Erie are in their seasonal declines and are expected to fall 2 to 3 inches over the next 30 days. However, Lake Ontario’s forecasted December 11th level is 2 inches higher than its forecasted November 11th level. See our DailyLevels web page for more water level information.

FORECASTED MONTHLY OUTFLOWS/CHANNEL CONDITIONS

Forecasts show Lake Superior outflow through St. Marys River, Lake Michigan-Huron outflow through St. Clair River, Lake St. Clair outflow through Detroit River, and Lake Erie outflow through Niagara River will be above average in November. Lake Ontario outflow through the St. Lawrence River is forecast to be below average in November.

https://lre-wm.usace.army.mil/ForecastData/weekly.pdf

As for the major rivers in the Mississippi River Watershed:

Mississippi River record-low water levels ease some, but long-term forecast is dry. Rains from Hurricane Rosyln will help Mississippi River water levels this week, but the coming La Niña winter is likely to bring long-term below-average precipitation over the river’s watershed.

https://yaleclimateconnections.org/2022/10/mississippi-river-record-low-water-levels-ease-some-but-long-term-forecast-is-dry/

Drought is alive and well - politics is where the ad money is at right now

Tenpoundbass says

But as you can see not a single one of those water ways are being reported as experiencing record drought, like the Mississippi River search results returns.
https://duckduckgo.com/?q=The+Mississippi+River&t=opera&ia=web

Okay - I clicked on the link and scrolled down the page and wouldn't you know it - drought news. Go figure

FuckTheMainstreamMedia says

I mean just like that, completely out of the news coverage. This was supposed to be horrible…like civilization ending. What happened?

I read in the news recently that the snow, on the Rocky Mountains that feeds the Colorado river, is over 200% above normal. (Sorry I don't have the link).

But then does this mean that this will restore the level of Lake Mead?

Answer: Not if TPTB keep releasing the water to the Gulf of California...

The_Deplorable

The_Deplorable says

the snow, on the Rocky Mountains that feeds the Colorado river, is over 200% above normal

????

The American West is experiencing its driest period in human history, a megadrought that threatens health, agriculture and entire ways of life.

https://thehill.com/policy/equilibrium-sustainability/3715527-dried-up-threats-to-colorado-snowpack-pose-risks-far-downslope/

What is the current snowpack in Colorado?

Current Colorado Snowpack Conditions

Currently, as of 12:00 a.m. on November 11, snowpack statewide is 131 percent of median.

Source: https://www.nrcs.usda.gov/wps/portal/wcc/home/quicklinks/states/colorado

One winter of good snowpack with the correct water content will not undo decades of depletion either on the Colorado or other rivers in the region and the same holds true for California however it does give a very small amount of breathing room - very very small

The_Deplorable says

But then does this mean that this will restore the level of Lake Mead?

Answer: Not if TPTB keep releasing the water to the Gulf of California...

Where does the majority of Lake Mead water go?

Patti Aaron, Bureau of Reclamation: About 75 percent of the water goes to irrigation for agriculture. That supplies about 60 percent of the food for the nation that's grown in the United States. Geoff Bennett: Nearly 40 percent of Arizona's water supply comes from Lake Mead.Jun 2, 2022

Who uses most water from Lake Mead?

The primary users of water from Lake Mead are the states of California and Arizona. Both states have been working to reduce their water usage in order to preserve the lake, but it is estimated that California still uses about three times more water from the lake than Arizona.

https://www.aypotech.com/career-central/lake-mead-water-crisis

Lake Mead

WATER LEVEL
1,044.49
Feet MSL

Saturday, November 12, 2022 5:00:00 PM

Level is 184.51 feet below full pool of 1,229.00

https://mead.uslakes.info/level.asp

5-Year Probabilistic Projections presented in the tables below are reported as the percentage of projected Lake Powell and Lake Mead operations that fall below critically low elevations or are within each operational tier in the next five years.

https://www.usbr.gov/lc/region/g4000/riverops/crss-5year-projections.html

DD214 says

The_Deplorable says

the snow, on the Rocky Mountains that feeds the Colorado river, is over 200% above normal

????

The American West is experiencing its driest period in human history, a megadrought that threatens health, agriculture and entire ways of life.

https://thehill.com/policy/equilibrium-sustainability/3715527-dried-up-threats-to-colorado-snowpack-pose-risks-far-downslope/

“Driest period in human history”

Lol ok. Drier than the period that killed off the Anasazi? Really?

That’s the kind of crap I was talking about. If things were truly that dire, would all this really just poof from the news? Ukraine hasn’t, and that’s not nearly as dire a threat as this drought supposedly is.

Let’s be straight here…all the projections that have been linked in this thread are all worst case scenarios based on the premise that man induced climate change is simply going to get worse and worse, correct?

Did you hear somewhere that we are out of drought and lakes/reservoirs are back up to normal levels?

BayArea says

Did you hear somewhere that we are out of drought and lakes/reservoirs are back up to normal levels?

Nope:

Lake Mead Ramp Status

Hemenway Harbor - Open - Two lanes on pipemat, only shallow-hulled boats not exceeding 24' in length.
Callville Bay - Closed due to low water levels.
Echo Bay - Closed due to low water levels.
Boulder Harbor - Closed due to low water levels.
Temple Bar - Closed due to low water levels.
South Cove - Closed due to low water levels. Launching is available off the dirt road south of the launch ramp. Four-wheel-drive is recommended.

Lake Mead is not a natural lake. What’s all this emphasis on “preserving” it? It’s a reservoir. It gets used, it gets filled, it gets used again.
That’s what it’s there for.

Shaman says

Lake Mead is not a natural lake. What’s all this emphasis on “preserving” it? It’s a reservoir. It gets used, it gets filled, it gets used again.
That’s what it’s there for.

Right. But they can't refill it meaning the water shortage is real. They wouldn't keep it low just for kicks because it impacts electricity generation.

Hugh_Mongous says

Shaman says

Lake Mead is not a natural lake. What’s all this emphasis on “preserving” it? It’s a reservoir. It gets used, it gets filled, it gets used again.
That’s what it’s there for.

Right. But they can't refill it meaning the water shortage is real. They wouldn't keep it low just for kicks because it impacts electricity generation.

Not really what my point was. My point was less about water levels and more about what the supposed “dire” impacts would be. That’s the part that the media sensationalizes and the part that is likely to be untrue. If it was true, it wouldn’t leave the headlines.

FuckTheMainstreamMedia says

If it was true, it wouldn’t leave the headlines.

There is this item called a news cycle plus we had and are still enjoying our every two year political shit storm which has dominated all of the news since before the 8th of November.

The problems is alive and well but media goes where the advertising dollars go

On a side note JFK was assassinated and that finally left the headlines - does this mean it did not happen ? Lots of stuff drops out of the headlines.

FuckTheMainstreamMedia says

Drier than the period that killed off the Anasazi? Really?

You have first hand knowledge you would like to share ?

On a technical note a better question might be: what happened to the term “Anasazi”?

Unfortunately, the early archaeologists in the southwest used the term, and it stuck. Most of the laborers on early digs were Dineh, or what we call Navajo. When the archaeologists asked “What do you Indians call these people?”. The laborers said “anasazi” which translates variously to “ancient enemies” or “our enemies” or even “old bastards”. Those early archaeologists didn’t know much of anything about ethnology, the study of living folks. If they’d asked Zunis or Hopis, they would’ve gotten a different answer, but in those days, the Zunis or Hopis were already wary of these outsiders who came in, dug up their culture, and took it away.

The accepted term in archaeological circles these days is “Ancestral Puebloans”. Here in Arizona, one will often see the word “Hisatsinom” used. That’s a Hopi word, meaning “our ancestors”.

But nothing “happened” to the Ancestral Puebloans. They didn’t disappear or vanish. Changing climatic conditions made it difficult to continue to live in most of the areas they inhabited. There was a great drought around 1300 that lasted for many years. The people had to move, and change. They moved to the Hopi mesas, to fertile areas along the Rio Grande, and to the beautiful country in what’s now Zuni.

They moved, they changed, and they’re still very much here.

FuckTheMainstreamMedia says

likely to be untrue

“No matter which way you slice it, the clear indication is that the current drought ranks right up there with the worst in more than a thousand years, and there’s a human influence on this of at least 30 percent and possibly as much as 50 percent in terms of its severity,” says Jason Smerdon, a paleoclimatologist at Columbia University’s Lamont Doherty Earth Observatory who co-authored the new research published today in Science. “It would have been a bad drought without anthropogenic warming, but not a contender to rival these really heavyweight droughts that occurred during the Medieval Era.”

Megadroughts, by definition, are occasional events of unusual severity lasting for at least 20 years. During the past 1,200 years, four major megadroughts occurred in the American West: during the 800s, the mid-1100s, the 1200s, and the late 1500s.

Some evidence suggests these events upended life in the West. For example, no one is certain what circumstances led the Anasazi people to abandon their cliff dwellings at Chaco Canyon during the 12th century and Mesa Verde during the late 13th century, but researchers have long theorized that megadroughts corresponding to those periods drove their inhabitants to seek reliable sources of water.

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/science-nature/american-west-may-be-entering-megadrought-worse-any-historical-record-180974688/

FuckTheMainstreamMedia says

Drier than the period that killed off the Anasazi? Really?

Why Did The Anasazi Disappear ?

https://www.bartleby.com/essay/Why-Did-The-Anasazi-Disappear-PJCCNBMYXV#:~:text=There%20are%20many%20possible%20and%20unknown%20reasons%20why,depleted%20are%20the%20main%20reasonings%20for%20their%20disappearance.

Hugh_Mongous says

But they can't refill it meaning the water shortage is real. They wouldn't keep it low just for kicks because it impacts electricity generation.

Spot on

IT’S LINKED TO IMMIGRATION, to ignore the Southwest’s population is irresponsible in the extreme. After all, 13.7 m.a.f. of Colorado River water divided among 14 million in 1950 is a lot different than a MUCH SMALLER COLORADO TODAY, and as little as 5 m.a.f. having to be divided by a population approaching 50 million!

https://news.climate.columbia.edu/2022/02/14/megadrought-in-southwest-is-now-the-worst-in-at-least-1200-years-study-confirms/

DD214 says

IT’S LINKED TO IMMIGRATION

Correct. Quite a cognitive dissidence for anyone who claims to be green but is also pro unfettered immigration to "cure the declining birth rate."

The HARP array is just down for repairs.

DD214 says

Okay - I clicked on the link and scrolled down the page and wouldn't you know it - drought news. Go figure

I don't think you are responding to what you think you're responding to. Put on your critical thinking hat and go read that list of links again.

you clicked on the MR river link which IS the one I say has drought news.

HeadSet says

DD214 says

IT’S LINKED TO IMMIGRATION

Correct. Quite a cognitive dissidence for anyone who claims to be green but is also pro unfettered immigration to "cure the declining birth rate."

Sierra Club went from opposing illegal immigration, to "neutral stance" in 1996 to "citizenship to all wetbacks" in 2013. So they are not a green org anymore.

There was a severe drought in Europe in 2021-2022. I know this for a fact. News reported there was also severe drought in China, and the USA.

what happened to world ending as Democrats predicted? date came and went.

FortwayeAsFuckJoeBiden says

what happened to world ending as Democrats predicted? date came and went.

Oh dear clutches pearls Bomb cyclone atmospheric River historic flood.

The idiocy of all this is why California has failed to make any new reservoirs in the past 4 decades. A state like Colorado, where everything east of the rockies(where the entire damn state happens to live) is subject to periodical drought and there’s reservoirs all over the damn state.