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You would think that Trump would know better by now. When it was first out, I understood why he said it, but now it makes no sense.

Trump didn't lie, he reinforced what the establishment was saying anyway.
I called an old friend of mine that knew Peto and told him about Peto's passing. The Vax came up, as I said his health really went south over the last year since taking the shot.
Derek got all upset and said there's nothing wrong with the vaccine, it has saved his life about 3 times since getting it. He's got Covid a month after his first shot and has gotten it two times since. If it wasn't for the shot he would have died. I told him, I've had the flu about 3 times since the pandemic, and since the flu is extinct now, that means I had Covid. Each time I caught it before the symptoms spiraled out of control with zinc, D3, C and Q. He just disputed that as the only way to protect yourself is to get vaxed. I then asked him about all of the sports stars and television presenters that collapse on live tv. He said "They are over exaggerating coincidences, people die of a heart attack all the time, "They" are hyping it up."

I told him "They" are live videos happening in realtime. It's the reality of these live events, that is preventing "They" from controlling the narrative as you would have us believe.

Then I remembered why I haven't talked to him much over the last 20 years.

We all don't believe the hype, but people like Derek and Peto did. DO you really think they needed Trump to tell them to take the Vax?
Maybe Trump was trying to save everyone's life, even those that despised him most. By thinking if he promoted it, people would reject and repel the vaccine, and any and all surrounding or had anything to do with it. But unfortunately it's the rare one thing, that all of the Trump haters embraced spite Trump promoting to them.

Orinally folks like Cumla said the toxxines were bad as Trump rushed them out. They she changed her tune.

A healthy normal 3 year old classmate of my son just died of a heart attack so I’m not going to support Trump even if he does admit the vax is bad.

Covid was the worst failure of Trump, but he had lots of others. Where’s the wall? Where’s the immigration reform?

All he did was make fun of people on Twitter and he did slightly fewer drone strikes then Obama.

And the fact that his supporters are still rotting in jail because he didn’t do a blanket pardon after Jan 6 is the final nail in his coffin.

On balance, Trump was good.
At the time, he was doing lots of things, and if everyone who was an "expert" told him the vaccine was effective and necessary, how would he be able to distinguish bullshit from the reality?
The reality is the vaccine both helped and hurt some people, which means everyone was largely correct about it.
If you are crazy enough to vote socialist party and let them steal your money via taxes, import illegals, hire foreigners, promote tranny values, you're throwing the baby out with the bathwater.
Trump's intentions were good, and not motivated by financial gain.
If you are seeking perfection in a person, you will be disappointed.

pudil says

A healthy normal 3 year old classmate of my son just died of a heart attack so I’m not going to support Trump even if he does admit the vax is bad.

Covid was the worst failure of Trump, but he had lots of others. Where’s the wall? Where’s the immigration reform?

All he did was make fun of people on Twitter and he did slightly fewer drone strikes then Obama.

And the fact that his supporters are still rotting in jail because he didn’t do a blanket pardon after Jan 6 is the final nail in his coffin.

I certainly can't argue with none of that. But the biggest crime of his, was just allowing the illusion that the President of the US is powerless against Staffers, Aides, activist Judges, and unconstitutional special council appointments. While allowing a ton of hopium on his Twitter feed, that is was an elaborate plan of Trump to bring down the swamp.

In DC the one that acts first wins. And spite Trump's promises to play his cards close to his chest, he would announce major upheavals and maneuvers that would upend the Deep State, but put the timeline for his action weeks out in advance. Giving the Deep State actors time to circumvent his efforts and beat him to action. Stopping him dead in his tracks every time. Where as had he just acted then announced his actions after the fact, no judge would have gone on record trying to undo what Trump did. And if you look back 90% of the time, activist Law firms and Judges were not as successful at undoing what he already did. As they were stopping his announced future plans dead in its tracks.

Jeff Sessions was announced because Trump didn't do what he said he was going to do. That is start investigations on day one.. Had he had done just that, it would have then been impossible for those under his investigation to call for an investigation into him. Just as it was moot for him to call for investigations once he was imperiled with Sessions and Mueller.

EVERYBODY wanted a vaccine, so Trump delivered. What was wrong with that? Why apologize unnecessarily if you delivered something everyone wanted in "warp speed"?

Then the election process was rigged (Democrats collusion with MSM and social media) and the Biden White House came in and mandated to force what Trump had originally planned to be optional.

Some of you are starting to sound like libtards.

1) I don’t see Trump trying to force vaccines on people.
However, if he had remained President, the libtards and never trumpers would have rejected the vax instead of eagerly gobbling it up. Even Kamala was like “hell no, not taking Trump’s vax!” And then it was Biden’s vax and everything was cool.
That’s why Trump lost the election. He had to go, because to our globalist owners, manipulating people into taking the vax was the ENTIRE POINT OF THE PANDEMIC!

Trump lost because ALL of the goverment goldbricks in DC hated him for saying he would look at government hiring and raises, the assholes who want to hire foreigners, the Democrats, and everyone else conspired to cheat and steal and election which he won.

ElYorsh says

EVERYBODY wanted a vaccine,

A vaccine, perhaps, but not a gene therapy. I was initially interested in the Novavax vaccine, but as time went on, I realized that even this would be toxic. Good thing the company was incompetently run and they kept fumbling the ball.

All one had to do was to review the public NYC Department of Health COVID data. Even 70+ year-olds without comorbidities had just about a nil chance of dying. The whole thing stunk from the get-go.

Trump is not an infallible supreme being. He fucked up royally with the toxxines. And like many people who get caught out, he fails to take the age old advice - when you find yoursellf in a hole, stop digging.

clambo says

The reality is the vaccine both helped and hurt some people, which means everyone was largely correct about it.

What?

It was never effective; remember "breakthrough cases"? World class experts, who were censored, claimed the vax was dangerous from the beginning.

Who really believed modifying your cells to produce spike proteins was a good idea?

clambo says

On balance, Trump was good

Agreed!

The deep state took advantage of his germphobia.

Shaman says

That’s why Trump lost the election. He had to go, because to our globalist owners, manipulating people into taking the vax was the ENTIRE POINT OF THE PANDEMIC!

Yep. Vax passports were imminent before all the triple vaxxed got Omicron.

First a disclaimer ... I voted for Trump in both elections.

RFK Jr. has done a lot of very good work exposing the danger of vaccines in general. He is VERY much against these EXPERIMENTAL 'vaccines.'

Once Trump won the GOP nomination in 2016, RFK Jr. met with Trump at Trump Tower in New York. He found that Trump was quite knowledgeable about the dangers related to the use of widespread vaccines. Trump also expressed his admiration and support regarding RFK Jr.'s war against Big Pharma and vaccines and vowed that he wanted to curtail their use if elected. Not long after that meeting, Trump received huge sums of money from Big Pharma for his campaign. From that moment on, Trump never received, nor did he return any calls from RFK Jr.

Politics is a filthy business. Former Speaker of the House Tip O'Neill once said: "Money is the mother's milk of politics.' Politics is corrupt to its very core, and virtually everyone, including Trump, ends up becoming beholden to their suppliers of money.

If you're interested in RFK Jr.'s work, etc., check this out:

https://childrenshealthdefense.org/defender/

Onvacation says

clambo says

On balance, Trump was good

Agreed!

The deep state took advantage of his germphobia.

Wow that's a great point, and an angle I had not considered for his reasoning for any and all association with Operation Warp Speed.

Onvacation says

clambo says

On balance, Trump was good

Agreed!

The deep state took advantage of his germphobia.

This is a great point and another reason not to vote for him. If all it takes to get Trump to trample all over our rights is a bad flu season because he’s scared of germs, then he’s not fit.

pudil says

And the fact that his supporters are still rotting in jail because he didn’t do a blanket pardon after Jan 6 is the final nail in his coffin.

Could he have done that? How long can a voted out president pardon people, probably til last day in office, but what about pending investigations? If he could he definitely should have done that.

Some people were likely helped not hurt by the shot or shots. The less severe disease was a likely effect, and I believe some data support this.
I was among a group in Palm Beach which were all 65 and up who got the shot when it first rolled out. A lot of people went to the county fairgrounds for it.

I am sure that if many of them had experienced problems they would have complained vigorously. Complaining is a major pastime among the older; I'm guilty although I think it's a lifelong pastime for me.

There had to be some transient benefit or the public would have caught on immediately and it wouldn’t have worked. My problem isn’t with vaccines, but with the mRNA method itself, which is risky and overly meddles in your cellular biology/genetics to create some limited form of immunity. Also, with mRNA (and this was my original objection) you can encode whatever sequences you wish with whatever effects you intend and nobody will know what you did until it happens to them!

mell says

pudil says

And the fact that his supporters are still rotting in jail because he didn’t do a blanket pardon after Jan 6 is the final nail in his coffin.

Could he have done that?

He could not have. His power to pardon does not extend beyond his last day in office.

ElYorsh says

Why apologize

Because it doesn't work. At all. In fact, it makes you more likely to get infected, and adds on the risk of death from strokes and heart attacks, among other side effects.

I give Trump credit for not forcing it on anyone as far as I know, but he still crows about it as if it were something good when it is something 200% bad.



And this is true across all age groups. More vaxxing = more death.

Stew Peters (producer of 'Died Suddenly') Calls on President Trump to Apologize for Pushing COVID Death Jabs

President Trump has continued to praise Operation Warp Speed and the historically deadly COVID-19 jabs.

“I hope Trump’s first tweet back on Twitter is an apology to the millions maimed and murdered after his incessant and continuous push of the bioweapon death jab,” tweeted Stew Peters ...

https://nationalfile.com/stew-peters-calls-on-president-trump-to-apologize-for-pushing-covid-death-jabs/

clambo says

Some people were likely helped not hurt by the shot or shots. The less severe disease was a likely effect, and I believe some data support this.

The old, "It would have been worse if I weren't vaxxed" argument. I have not seen the data to support this. Is it even possible to prove that the vax made the Wuhan less dangerous?

Patrick says

He could not have. His power to pardon does not extend beyond his last day in office.

You can't pardon someone that hasn't been convicted. Nobody has even been charged with insurrection much less convicted.

ElYorsh says

EVERYBODY wanted a vaccine, so Trump delivered. What was wrong with that? Why apologize unnecessarily if you delivered something everyone wanted in "warp speed"?

According to science, the research and development of safe and effective vaccines takes, at best, 10 to 15 years. Virtually none of the required experiments, along with the necessary amount of time to study both the short and long term effects of such experiments, was ever conducted. Instead, the EXPERIMENTAL 'vaccines' were tested on human guinea pigs on a global scale. More and more evidence is being brought forth that indicates that these dangerous 'vaccines' are in fact compromising the immune system, which makes the spread of disease much easier. Cancer, for example, is basically an immune deficiency disease and is spreading like wild fire, and, it's happening all over the 'vaccinated' globe.

Onvacation says

You can't pardon someone that hasn't been convicted. Nobody has even been charged with insurrection much less convicted.

That's not true. For example, Richard Nixon was never 'convicted' of any crime by a court of law. However, President Ford granted a 'full and unconditional pardon,' which, in effect, prohibited Nixon from ever being prosecuted, let alone convicted.

Patrick says

ElYorsh says

Why apologize

Because it doesn't work. At all. In fact, it makes you more likely to get infected, and adds on the risk of death from strokes and heart attacks, among other side effects.

I give Trump credit for not forcing it on anyone as far as I know, but he still crows about it as if it were something good when it is something 200% bad.



And this is true across all age groups. More vaxxing = more death.

I don't argue about that. But Trump is a politician. Politicians that admit they were wrong never win. It sounds nice and it could get some people to say that he is right for apologizing, but not that many people would get convinced to approve of him just because of the apology.

RayAmerica says

Onvacation says

You can't pardon someone that hasn't been convicted. Nobody has even been charged with insurrection much less convicted.

That's not true. For example, Richard Nixon was never 'convicted' of any crime by a court of law. However, President Ford granted a 'full and unconditional pardon,' which, in effect, prohibited Nixon from ever being prosecuted, let alone convicted.

True. But Trump could not have blanket pardoned a bunch of people that had not even been charged much less convicted. Trump seems to be in favor of the rule of law and would probably support valid charges of vandalism. Aunt Jo, who walked through the rotunda staying between the velvet ropes, never should have been charged.

I don't think anyone supports putting someone in jail for over a year on charges stemming from following a mostly peaceful (previously mentioned vandals excepted) crowd that was parading through the capitol after the police opened the doors and allowed them in. There have been over 1,000 people charged for crimes that were less than those that have been ignored before and after January 6, 2021. Selective justice leads to vigilantism and anarchy.

If Trump were president he would bust most of these people out of jail and bring them to the Whitehouse for burgers and pop.

Trump Hails Jan. 6 Insurrectionists As 'Great Patriots,' Calls Prison Sentences A 'Disgrace'
https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-jan-6-rioters-great-patriots_n_63c32cffe4b0ae9de1c8afea

Free Derek Chauvin! Jail Michael Byrd!

Our country needs more Ashli Babbitt's and less George Floyd's,

ElYorsh says

But Trump is a politician. Politicians that admit they were wrong never win.

Headline: " TRUMP ADMITS TO KILLING MILLIONS WITH VACCINE HE 'WARP SPED' PAST FDA!"

If Trump apologizes for Warp Speed then ALL of the blame will be put on Trump and none on anyone else. It will be "Trump myocarditis" and "Joe is repealing the Trump mRNA mandates" and "Trump responsible for jabb deaths."

RayAmerica says

Onvacation says

You can't pardon someone that hasn't been convicted. Nobody has even been charged with insurrection much less convicted.

That's not true. For example, Richard Nixon was never 'convicted' of any crime by a court of law. However, President Ford granted a 'full and unconditional pardon,' which, in effect, prohibited Nixon from ever being prosecuted, let alone convicted.

Great point and I think you’re right. However, what I’d like to point out to all the Trump apologists that are saying he couldn’t have issued a pardon without a charge or conviction - that’s for sure not true.

A president can issue any type of pardon he wants. The question would be if it’s legal. I’m not aware of any case law around this, so if on Jan 20th, 10am Trump had written up a blanket pardon, this would have gone to the Supreme Court. Then at least his supporters would have had a fighting chance instead of rotting in prison for years.

The reason why he didn’t do this perfectly illustrates the problem with Trump. He talks a good game but at the end of the day he wants liberals in New York to like him. If he had tried the blanket pardon, if he had fired faucci, if he had diverted military funds to build the wall, if he had cracked down on blm riots, liberals in New York would have said mean stuff about him. So he doesn’t do these things, he betrays his supporters, and liberals still say mean stuff.

HeadSet says

If Trump apologizes for Warp Speed then ALL of the blame will be put on Trump and none on anyone else. It will be "Trump myocarditis" and "Joe is repealing the Trump mRNA mandates" and "Trump responsible for jabb deaths."

Fine by me. If Trump can say something that would make people stop taking it and it saves one innocent kid whose dumb npc lib parents are boosting up right now just following the vax schedule he should. I don’t give 2 shits about his election chances compared to that.

Trump is either a deliberate willing collaborator in the cover up of the fake pandemic (the virus is real and many have become ill from it, but for most it is less troublesome than the flu and with proper early treatment most people can have shorter symptoms and most deaths could have been prevented) and the irresponsible/criminal implementation of dangerous and ineffective vaxxes. Or if he is not a deliberate willing collaborator in these lies and crimes then he is foolish and allowed himself to be compromised by his foolishness, greed and ego. In either case he is unfit for the job, but still may be the least unfit candidate on the ballot in the upcoming primaries and general election.

PeopleUnited says

may be the least unfit candidate on the ballot in the upcoming primaries and general election.

I didn't vote for Trump in 2016. I voted against Hillary. What real choice did we have in 2020?

Very enlightening interview by Greg Hunter of Catherine Austin Fitts. Covers a variety of areas, in particular, massive corruption of the federal government. Also, at about the 15:00 mark, she critiques the Trump Presidency, including his handling of 'Operation Warp Speed.' Well worth taking the time to watch.

https://rumble.com/v21oohc-us-government-in-full-scale-implosion-because-of-corruption-catherine-austi.html

PS: A little background on Fitts: she served under the George H. W. Bush administration as Assistant Sec. of HUD. While in that position, she
witnessed massive amounts of fraud and became a 'whistleblower' long before there were any protections, which resulted in the Federal government persecuting her. Fitts came from a family that had money, and over the course of 11 years, she fought the Government in court, costing her family $ millions, but won. Fitts is one of the very few that took on the corrupt Federal government in court successfully. When she speaks, you need to listen, because she speaks from a unique perspective that is based upon her own experiences.

She also recently exposed, using official Congressional Budget Office accounting records, that $21 TRILLION is 'unaccounted' for. This unimaginable amount of money just simply vanished.

https://notthebee.com/article/trump-claims-he-saved-100-million-lives-because-of-the-covid-vaccine-dismisses-any-side-effect-concerns

Donald Trump wants to make the Covid vaccine into one of his main accomplishments during his time in the White House.

However, conservatives have become increasingly skeptical of the Covid vaccine, especially when it turned out that they never stopped or slowed the spread of Covid, as was originally touted.

But Trump is going to keep claiming success. ...

Trump will never win the Republican nomination if he insists he was completely correct and saved lives because of the Jabby Jab.

Sure, Trump didn't mandate it.

But he let Fauci guide health policy and the vaccine narrative throughout his final year in office.

Trump is far from perfect, and the old saw - Don't let perfect become the enemy of progress - comes to mind. But I have to believe, in spite of his faults, voting for The Donald would have to be a big Fuck You to the deep state and ruling powers that be.

https://notthebee.com/article/a-comet-is-zipping-by-earth-for-the-first-time-in-50000-years-this-week-and-you-might-be-able-to-see-it-without-a-telescope

Mr. President,

I could not be more proud than I am to have supported you in 2016, through the lies and attacks that occurred during your presidency, and during the stolen 2020 election cycle. To my mind, you are the true President and much or most of what has occurred since the Whitehouse was stolen from you is a clear demonstration of why your enemies would work so hard to ensure you could no longer lead our nation. The CCP, the WEF, and others have corrupted the Democratic Party, control many of the RINOs that worked to undermine you, and are pushing hard to destroy America as it was founded with the weak and corrupt piece of human excrement they installed in your place. That said, those same people seem to be pushing you in to an untenable position and I do not see any way forward but for you to do what you have always done, come out swinging.

Your recent comments still supporting the “vaccines” are more than a little troubling for your base and many Americans that have woken up across the political spectrum. In light of Damar Hamlin, Died Suddenly, admissions by Pfizer that they never even did a study to confirm the jabs prevent transmission of COVID and that they do not know how they work to improve immune response, various admissions by the CDC, and the obvious problems occurring as a result of these “vaccines”, for you to still be advocating for them is beyond concerning.

The evidence of issues is overwhelming at this point and I simply do not see how your continued advocacy for a failed project is helpful. Given your platform, any political consultant with half a brain would have told you that speaking out against these jabs would facilitate you being a hero to millions of Americans and people around the world but that same person would also have told you that you would face the wrath of the WEF, CCP, and big pharma. You are and have always been a warrior so I find myself confused by your timidity in this matter.

It seems that there really are only a few explanations for your approach but ultimately, at the risk of offending a man that I have admired but who likely does not know I exist, I’m going to be blunt. ANY advisor around that is still advocating for you to avoid acknowledging the disaster that these “vaccines” are is either stupid beyond words or corrupt and, in either event, should be fired immediately. You do not need yes-men around you in this war, you need warriors.

I have publicly offered to do this in the past but understand if the message never reached you so I will do it again. If you would allow us an opportunity, I will fund bringing the top doctors and medical researchers in the world to brief you on the truth about these “vaccines” at your convenience and in a place of your choosing. I will share with you the evidence we have that demonstrates how you have been lied to and manipulated. And, most importantly, I will give you the real truth so that you can do what no other person on this planet could do - save hundreds of millions of lives by using your platform to promote truth.

A president has to deal with far more than one issue and so I still support you. It is my intent to use the very limited position I have to open the door for you to do the right thing and, in the process, demonstrate that you really are willing to do what is right over what is easy - again, as you have so many times.

Ultimately Mr. President I ask you this, why not? I am going to share this with people that I absolutely know will put it in front of you. You will be aware of this offer. All we are asking is that you hear us out. There is no threat, I will likely continue to support you either way (I am aware that my support is not that big of a deal to you). That said, I reiterate, why would you refuse an offer to educate yourself about this? If we are right and you do the right thing you save hundreds of millions of lives. If we are wrong you wasted a few hours but demonstrated your willingness to hear out the best and brightest medical minds before continuing to promote a controversial (at best) product.

There is zero downside to this for you and the only follow-up I will ask would be why you would refuse to listen.

Sincerely,

Thomas Renz