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Which oils to avoid?


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2023 Jan 21, 7:13pm   29,750 views  225 comments

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I'm increasingly frustrated at the rapeseed oil (euphemistically called "Canola" oil by Canadian producers) and palm kernel oil that seems to be in almost all food. Pretty much everything at Trader Joe's seems to have one or the other. I was even at a Russian shop in Palo Alto today (Samovar, fun place) and found the poppyseed cake my grandmother used to make - except it was with margarine instead of butter, ugh.

Which of them are worth avoiding entirely?

Here are the fats and oils I think are bad:

- margarine (which is just canola and other crap oils hardened to make them stick in your arteries better)
- canola oil
- cottonseed oil (especially bad)
- palm kernel oil

I'm undecided about these:

- soybean oil
- sunflower seed oil
- avocado oil
- coconut oil
- peanut oil

I'm sure these are pretty good for you:

- olive oil
- butter
- lard (yes, I think lard is OK to eat)


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122   richwicks   2023 Jul 31, 11:45am  

AmericanKulak says

I think McD's used to fry their fries in the grill grease, which is meat fat. Until the 90s, when they switched to vegetable oil.

If you can't make the oil by pressing it, don't use it.


I'm pretty certain it was originally tallow which is beef fat, it could have been lard which is pig fat, and they couldn't be using the grease from the grill. It comes in these huge blocks you have to melt down. Oil from the grill is too contaminated by bits of meat.

Our "authorities and experts" claimed that hydrogenated soybean oil was "healthier" so that's what we had through the 1990s, until they decided it wasn't healthy.
123   Patrick   2023 Jul 31, 6:06pm  

stereotomy says

Pigs and goats, even chickens for that matter, are omnivores, so to be a dyed in the wool plant-based eater, only ruminants (cows, buffalo, etc.) will satisfy the strict vegan requirements for ultimately plant-based foods.


True, we had chickens and I know that they love to eat insects.
124   Robert Sproul   2023 Jul 31, 6:56pm  

mell says

For the average sedentary American massive amounts of seed oils should likely be avoided.

Hard to avoid for a lot of folks, they are in virtually ALL processed foods. The main offending element is the super high Omega 6/Linoleic Acid content in these oils. Some Dr's now are blaming the DiObesity epidemic on these oils more than Americans astonishing sugar consumption. I now consider it the main poison in the Standard Muppet Diet.
https://oh17.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/vegetable-oil-linoleic-acid-Mercola.pdf
126   stereotomy   2023 Jul 31, 7:03pm  

To all those who wish to eat fully plant-based foods, I recommend the following family farms:

Burgundy Beef
Grandview TX

Wrong Direction Farm
Canajoharie NY

Once grass fed, never back . . .
127   mell   2023 Jul 31, 11:31pm  

Robert Sproul says

mell says


For the average sedentary American massive amounts of seed oils should likely be avoided.

Hard to avoid for a lot of folks, they are in virtually ALL processed foods. The main offending element is the super high Omega 6/Linoleic Acid content in these oils. Some Dr's now are blaming the DiObesity epidemic on these oils more than Americans astonishing sugar consumption. I now consider it the main poison in the Standard Muppet Diet.
https://oh17.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/01/vegetable-oil-linoleic-acid-Mercola.pdf

Right, but it's mainly because they don't

1) take in enough anti-inflammatory omega 3s for balance

2) don't work out enough at all

Ironically arachidonic acid (which LA is converted into and can be inflammatory) is sold as supplements to athletes and body builders as it enhances output. If you work out and/or are active all day, the omega-6/LA intake should not be a huge problem.
130   fdhfoiehfeoi   2023 Aug 4, 12:31pm  

One of the corniest things of seen on patnet for a while, well done!
131   gabbar   2023 Aug 4, 1:37pm  

Surprised to find that ingredients in hummus from Costco include canola and safflower oil (seed oils)

132   gabbar   2023 Aug 4, 1:41pm  

Robert Sproul says


I now consider it the main poison in the Standard Muppet Diet.

Of these, Dextrose has the highest glycemic index

133   Patrick   2023 Aug 4, 1:44pm  

They do the same name obfuscation with MSG, which is often labeled as "yeast extract" or "natural flavoring".
134   gabbar   2023 Aug 4, 1:47pm  

Safflower oil, a seed oil is used at Chipotle Mexican Grill.
136   fdhfoiehfeoi   2023 Aug 16, 10:32am  

It's in a lot of pre-made food.
139   Ceffer   2023 Nov 19, 10:19am  

Yup, those in the picture are some of the brightly colored Amazon toxic frogs. The more aggressive, colorful and cartoony the packaging, the more they are designed to create pituitary and metabolic havoc?

I wonder if the Globalists subsidize the packaging excess of these 'food' items.
140   komputodo   2023 Nov 19, 10:34am  

Patrick says





And the craziest thing is that a majority of the people keep believing what that mysterious group of people commonly referred to as "THEY" tell them.
141   komputodo   2023 Nov 19, 10:37am  

Ceffer says

Yup, those in the picture are some of the brightly colored Amazon toxic frogs. The more aggressive, colorful and cartoony the packaging, the more they are designed to create pituitary and metabolic havoc?

I wonder if the Globalists subsidize the packaging excess of these 'food' items.

Rule #1 ...avoid the aisles in the supermarket that have those types of packages...go to the perimeter where the "more real" food is. Is it really that hard to live without packaged snack food?
142   Ceffer   2023 Nov 19, 11:14am  

komputodo says

Is it really that hard to live without packaged snack food?

They're the 'easy' foods. The nutrition pirates figured out a long time ago that 'convenience' is preferred to common sense and even small amounts of preparation and planning labor.
143   Patrick   2023 Nov 19, 11:18am  

And conversely, I've read that an excellent way to lose weight is simply to make the sugary foods inconvenient. Don't keep them at home.

People somehow will not do even a little work for those snacks. They eat them when they are too easy to get.
144   Tenpoundbass   2023 Nov 19, 12:09pm  

Patrick says

Don't keep them at home.

That's what we do. The best thing that happened to us, was Chips, Soda and Snacks inflating 300% during George Bush's gas gouging, then the snack industry not reducing their prices to reflect the reduction in energy costs, that they used as an excuse to raise the prices. I could never bring myself to buy a bag of chips for $5.00, when they used to go for anywhere from 69 cents, to $1.20 just before Bush rigged Oil prices. Then I decided not to drink sugar at all, no sugar in my tea or coffee, and I don't buy soft drinks. This way, I can have an occasional slice of Cheese Cake or Apple Pie and not have to worry about my feet eventually turning purple.
145   Tenpoundbass   2023 Nov 19, 12:13pm  

Lil Debbie snack cakes used to be my guilty pleasure. Of course they were edible back then. The last times I tried to buy and eat them, I threw the unneatened box and the snack cake with a bite out of it, in the trash. You can just taste the industrial ooze that is required to shove it through the automation plumbing, and anticoagulants, stabilizers, thickeners, artificial fats and what all. They over power any wholesome ingredients like flour, egg, dairy and sugar, to the point those are just faint hints and overtones. blech!!! The same with Pentridge farm products. My wife used to enjoy the Milan Cookies and I liked the Chess cookies. Not any more, they are worse than Lil Debbie in the toxic sludge vibe.
146   Maga_Chaos_Monkey   2023 Nov 19, 12:16pm  

Have you ever gotten your fingers sticky from a sugary treat? Well, that's exactly what it does to your insides. I'm gums up your cells if you eat too much of it.

One example: you've got 4 'seats' in your red blood cells where oxygen is supposed to adhere to but too much sugar gums up those seats so it doesn't happen.

That's how an A1C test works. It checks your blood cells to see how gummed up they are and gives a good estimate of how much sugar you ate the prior 4 months or so.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glycation
147   Tenpoundbass   2023 Nov 19, 12:17pm  

The straw that broke the camels back for me on soda, was the Throwback series of soft drinks Pepsi put out about 15 years ago.
It reminded me, that soft drinks used to be refreshing, they didn't dehydrate you and leave your mouth coated in a thirsty mucus.
I saw for myself the difference in Cane Sugar vs HFCS, and have sworn off all products that has it for the most part.
148   Maga_Chaos_Monkey   2023 Nov 19, 12:19pm  

I make a big stink about that fact that I'm about to drink a coke at family events like Thanksgiving. I explain that I drink waaaay more beer than soda.
149   AD   2023 Nov 19, 12:59pm  

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My primary care doctor has emphasized to use olive oil and stevia, instead of corn oil and sugar.

Also said to drink more water with lemon, as that is very healthy for the liver and kidneys. He said black or green tea with honey is very high in antioxidants also.

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150   ElYorsh   2023 Nov 19, 1:07pm  

Tenpoundbass says


The straw that broke the camels back for me on soda, was the Throwback series of soft drinks Pepsi put out about 15 years ago.
It reminded me, that soft drinks used to be refreshing, they didn't dehydrate you and leave your mouth coated in a thirsty mucus.
I saw for myself the difference in Cane Sugar vs HFCS, and have sworn off all products that has it for the most part.

I tasted the difference when in the mid 2000's when my local Costcos started selling Coca Cola from México. It didn't have the chemical aftertaste that Coke from the USA does with HFCS
151   komputodo   2023 Nov 19, 1:19pm  

Tenpoundbass says


Lil Debbie snack cakes used to be my guilty pleasure.

Lil' debbie products will completely mess up my digestive system. Also those canned biscuits and certain frozen self rising pizzas like Digiorno and Freschetta. So I agree with you. I don't think that they can be categorized as food.
Tenpoundbass says



The same with Pentridge farm products.

did you mean PEPPERIDGE FARM?
152   komputodo   2023 Nov 19, 1:26pm  

Patrick says

And conversely, I've read that an excellent way to lose weight is simply to make the sugary foods inconvenient. Don't keep them at home.

People somehow will not do even a little work for those snacks. They eat them when they are too easy to get.

I think that sometimes a person will eat a whole big bag of chips while watching TV and not even realize that they ate them
153   HeadSet   2023 Nov 19, 2:07pm  

komputodo says

I think that sometimes a person will eat a whole big bag of chips while watching TV and not even realize that they ate them

Smart marketers would make the bag edible.
154   Ceffer   2023 Nov 19, 4:25pm  

LOL!

155   Patrick   2023 Nov 19, 5:01pm  

HeadSet says

Smart marketers would make the bag an edible.


Fixed that for ya, lol.
156   fdhfoiehfeoi   2023 Nov 20, 7:32am  

ad says

My primary care doctor has emphasized to use olive oil and stevia, instead of corn oil and sugar.

Also said to drink more water with lemon, as that is very healthy for the liver and kidneys. He said black or green tea with honey is very high in antioxidants also.


Hold onto that doctor, not many with that level of knowledge on prevention outside of naturopathy.
157   fdhfoiehfeoi   2023 Nov 20, 7:37am  

We ate out a few times this weekend. Food on Sunday was decent, but could tell my intestine was being attacked by the food I ate Saturday night. I think it was the oil it was fried in, plus the GMO wheat. Was supposed to be a sope, but they didn't use masa.

I have a sweet tooth, but found these chocolate bars that are pretty healthy. Hu is the company. Only bad thing, they're like $4 a piece, and I eat like three in a week. Also do like the chips, but we use we get all of them from Siete foods, so oil is good, and ingredients too. Still, would be better to eat more meat and veg, and less chips.
158   gabbar   2023 Nov 20, 11:36pm  

AVOID IT: 4 BIG Health Reasons to Avoid Eating Out & Restaurants
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cXDiLwMtwZk
We Americans, arguably, have the best designed kitchens in the world; use them please.

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