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clambo says

The above is selective memory; Ryan and others are RINOs and were fucking up Trump at every turn.

Again, saying Trump got rolled by a bunch of RINO squishes is not a great selling message as to why we would want to make him our nominee again in 24.

“Day One” strategy with advisors and strategists, aiming for a “disciplined” and “relentless” operation to rein in the power of the executive branch aligning it with what the “Founding Fathers envisioned.” DeSantis

As if the president controlled the alphabet companies.

I would probably vote for RFK before Ron. We need a disrupter, not another politician who promises to fix the system by using the system.

It's not just the executive branch that is corrupt.

socal2 says

Trump got rolled by a bunch of RINO squishes

Got rolled by? Or exposed?

Onvacation says
I would probably vote for RFK before Ron. We need a disrupter, not another politician who promises to fix the system by using the system.


You'd vote for an extreme Leftist like RFK over DeSantis and are cool with all of RFK's positions below?

- pro abortion
- pro Federal funding of Planned Parenthood
- pro gay-marriage
- pro Impeachment of Trump
- pro gun grabber
- pro student loan forgiveness
- pro CRT taught in H.S.
- pro mail-in ballots for Federal elections
- pro Amnesty for illegals
- pro healthcare for illegals
- pro Federal funding to Sanctuary Cities
- pro expanding the Supreme Court
- pro Single Payer healthcare
- against building a wall on the southern border

https://www.isidewith.com/candidates/robert-kennedy-jr-2/policies

Onvacation says

We need a disrupter, not another politician who promises to fix the system by using the system.

We already had a disrupter in Trump. Even more issues are being exposed now with Biden term and our 2 tiered Justice system.

I will always thank Trump (and his supporters) for the important disruption he provided us and by saving us from Hillary.

But we have so much on our plate that needs reform NOW - and can't spend the next 4+ years of blowing more shit up and more drama that would be Trump's second term. We have a guy in DeSantis that knows how to play the game and has been very successful in fighting back against entrenched bureaucracy. By all accounts, DeSantis is much more Conservative and Libertarian than Trump. What's not to like?

New polls are coming out this week showing DeSantis doing better against Biden than Trump does in the General. Trump is at his peak popularity right now rightfully getting support and sympathy from the Right due to the DOJ's persecution. Does that level of enthusiasm stick with us for another 16 months?

socal2 says

New polls are coming out this week showing DeSantis doing better against Biden than Trump does in the General.

Got a link to those polls in a pseudo general between Desantis and Biden? He literally cannot win the primary versus Trump out the gate. Even big R's aren't going to eat shit and vote Biden. I can promise you the polling doesn't account for disenfranchised MAGA voters on the potential November election. They will write in Trump or not show in November.

It HAS to be assumed Biden will get the same amount of votes from 2020 or more. Trump even if in a prison cell will take 5M votes no problem. No chance Desantis can win losing that many votes. You're a jockey trying to push a race horse too quickly. It's not Desantis' time. Conservatives and Libertarians WILL lose. Not just the executive but all of Congress, House and Senate. Then the judiciary where they turn it into tranny fag time.

Republicans have no strategy or plan. They couldn't even stop Trump in 2016. Desantis would be more of the same. He needs to learn on the job. Governor of FL is a big deal, but so is international diplomacy as a VP. R's need to unite and make sure this doesn't turn into infighting.

socal2 says

Onvacation says

I would probably vote for RFK before Ron. We need a disrupter, not another politician who promises to fix the system by using the system.

You'd vote for an extreme Leftist like RFK over DeSantis and are cool with all of RFK's positions below?

- pro abortion
- pro Federal funding of Planned Parenthood
- pro gay-marriage
- pro Impeachment of Trump
- pro gun grabber
- pro student loan forgiveness
- pro CRT taught in H.S.
- pro mail-in ballots for Federal elections
- pro Amnesty for illegals
- pro healthcare for illegals
- pro Federal funding to Sanctuary Cities
- pro expanding the Supreme Court
- pro Single Payer healthcare
- against building a wall on the southern border

https://www.isidewith.com/candidates/robert-kennedy-jr-2/policies

What makes you think that website is credible? If there's one thing you ought to know by now, is that the competition, and the intelligence agencies will FUCKING LIE about a person's actual positions to try to get rid of them all the time.

socal2 says

But we have so much on our plate that needs reform NOW - and can't spend the next 4+ years of blowing more shit up and more drama that would be Trump's second term. We have a guy in DeSantis that knows how to play the game and has been very successful in fighting back against entrenched bureaucracy.

No.

He won't change fucking shit.

Blow up the system. It's unfixable. It was unfixable 12 years ago.

And you're right, DeSantis DOES know how to "play the game" - that is, do what he's fucking told to do. That's it. Bullshit like LBTQ and mask mandates, and so on, who gives a shit with any of those? Doesn't make a difference. What's important is more fucking war, no work on infrastructure, keep that border open, increase social division, allow criminals to continue running the government and business.

That's what he will do as president.

Just blow up the whole fucking thing. The later it happens the worse it will be.

socal2 says

You'd vote for an extreme Leftist like RFK

Yeah. I'm a one issue voter this time; DESTROY THE CRIMINAL SYNDICATE!

If Junior investigates his uncles murder...

richwicks says

the intelligence agencies will FUCKING LIE about a person's actual positions to try to get rid of them all the time.

Yep!

Phrases like, "Trump is too toxic", are used by brainwashed useful idiots or people propagating propaganda.

Onvacation says

Yeah. I'm a one issue voter this time; DESTROY THE CRIMINAL SYNDICATE!

If Junior investigates his uncles murder...

Both his uncle and father were murdered by the same people. It was CIA in cooperation with Israeli intelligence. Israel was building their nuclear weapons program in Dimona and JFK was standing in the way of that. Israel did this by smuggling out enriched uranium from the United States.

RFK was murdered in part to prevent investigation into who murdered his brother, Sirhan Sirhan says he has no memory of shooting RFK, and he probably doesn't, Rohypnol will do that. The Kennedy family doesn't believe he's responsible.

socal2 says

I will always thank Trump (and his supporters) for the important disruption he provided us and by saving us from Hillary.

Why didn't you vote against her? Did you not realize how evil she was at the time?

Maybe you were butt hurt that Jeb didn't win? Who was your dog in the race back in 2016?

richwicks says

Just blow up the whole fucking thing. The later it happens the worse it will be.

hear ya... but then you're left with everything blown up. People need education not annihilation.

Sunshine is the best disinfectant. Continue to argue with the trolls and red pill the sleeping.

I didn't know there was a controversy over what happened on 9/11/2001 until 2013 when I read about it on patrick.net. If I hadn't, "done my own research" I never would have realized what a twisted world we live in. Had I stayed asleep I might have taken the jab and condemned you all as conspiracy theorists.

richwicks says

Both his uncle and father were murdered by the same people. It was CIA in cooperation with Israeli intelligence. Israel was building their nuclear weapons program in Dimona and JFK was standing in the way of that. Israel did this by smuggling out enriched uranium from the United States.

Evidence?

Vela Incident - Israel and South Africa were working together on bombs. SA has plenty of uranium.

JFK was killed because he refused to buckle and send in air support when the CIA lied about the potential effectiveness of the Bay of Pigs invasion; and when he had second thoughts of escalating Vietnam, that was it.

He was a huge pro-Israel guy.
https://www.jfklibrary.org/archives/other-resources/john-f-kennedy-speeches/new-york-ny-19600826

Onvacation says

hear ya... but then you're left with everything blown up. People need education not annihilation.

The people in power don't need education. They know PRECISELY what they are doing.

People who don't know what is going on by NOW, it's hopeless. Our "news" media couldn't be MORE obvious as propaganda, and our government couldn't be MORE obvious as criminal. The ASSUMPTION that was made was if we exposed it, they would reform, but they won't reform. There's no other alternative than to blow it up.

Onvacation says

I didn't know there was a controversy over what happened on 9/11/2001 until 2013 when I read about it on patrick.net. If I hadn't, "done my own research" I never would have realized what a twisted world we live in. Had I stayed asleep I might have taken the jab and condemned you all as conspiracy theorists.

Took me a couple of years to recognize something was wrong. As soon as I found out that NIST had done a finite element simulation of WTC7 and wouldn't release the model, I knew. On top of that, the collapse of 7 in the simulation is NOTHING like that actual collapse.

I am satisfied when I get to the point of "Oh, the government did it, I don't know how, or who was involved but the government did it". I follow it only as interest now - pretty much know entirely what happened. Ryan Dawson completely lays it out. He doesn't care about the physics, and precisely how it was done, he cares about who did it. Israel, Saudi Arabia and US intelligence did it, and the military intelligence KNOWS. They're not stupid.

I don't have some sort of special knowledge, I'm not some genius, it's actually pretty easy to understand but there's this whirlpool of bullshit around it. Dozens of bullshit false lead conspiracy theories of varying difficulties to dismiss were created. Everything from the ludicrous "UFOs / planes were holograms / Direct Energy weapons" to the must more subtle ones "nanothermite". Just realize WTC7 shouldn't have collapsed, at least uniformly, unless you're a demolition expert you can't know the physics, concentrate on who was involved.

Onvacation says

hear ya... but then you're left with everything blown up. People need education not annihilation.

I agree.

I just think that DeSantis is better equipped and has a stronger team to do the hard work of education and reform. Trump would be 4 more years of annihilation.

No way Biden is running again. I would love to see a DeSantis/ Newsom race. It would be a big bright-line ISSUE election where we could focus on how destructive and retarded California Liberal policies are contrasted to the successes in Florida.

But because we are the moron party and can't have nice things - we will be stuck with Trump focusing all our energy on his persecution and will wonder why we lost another election.

AmericanKulak says

Evidence?

Vela Incident - Israel and South Africa were working together on bombs. SA has plenty of uranium.

Uranium isn't the problem - that's easy to get. Enriched uranium, that's HARD to get. The original method was gaseous diffusion where heavier bits of uranium because of higher momentum diffused slower than lighter isotopes. We used an ENORMOUS amount of energy to make the first nuclear weapon, and we had reactors to make plutonium. Israel was stealing refined products at NUMEC.

https://nsarchive.gwu.edu/briefing-book/nuclear-vault/2016-11-02/numec-affair-did-highly-enriched-uranium-us-aid-israels-nuclear-weapons-program

AmericanKulak says

JFK was killed because he refused to buckle and send in air support when the CIA lied about the potential effectiveness of the Bay of Pigs invasion; and when he had second thoughts of escalating Vietnam, that was it.

OK, let me clarify a little bit. JFK was murdered for MULTIPLE reasons. ONE was his desire to prevent Israel from becoming a nuclear power. He betrayed the mafia as well, JFK wasn't really elected, Nixon was and he got Robert Kennedy to go after the mafia full in. CIA wasn't happy with him either. Many powerful groups wanted him dead.

What changed with the death of JFK is that Johnson was a fucking Zionist cocksucker. His (rumored) mistress was thought to be an Israeli spy. The US didn't invade Cuba again.

AmericanKulak says

He was a huge pro-Israel guy.
https://www.jfklibrary.org/archives/other-resources/john-f-kennedy-speeches/new-york-ny-19600826

Could have been, he didn't want them with the bomb through. Public statements mean nothing from politicians.

richwicks says

ONE was his desire to prevent Israel from becoming a nuclear power.

richwicks says

Could have been, he didn't want them with the bomb through. Public statements mean nothing from politicians.

He didn't want anybody to have the bomb. Not South Africa, Not India, nobody. That was US policy since WW2 and still pretty much is.

The US government rebuked many countries in the 50s and 60s for atomic research, and pretty much all research will have an end result in nuclear weapons.

richwicks says

Uranium isn't the problem - that's easy to get. Enriched uranium, that's HARD to get. The original method was gaseous diffusion where heavier bits of uranium because of higher momentum diffused slower than lighter isotopes. We used an ENORMOUS amount of energy to make the first nuclear weapon, and we had reactors to make plutonium. Israel was stealing refined products at NUMEC.

And South Africa had it.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pelindaba
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valindaba

"They didn't allow the IAEA". Most countries didn't, or only under narrow, Potemkin-village style inspections, including South Africa which did not allow inspections until 3 years after they tested the bomb in 1982, not until 1985.

The Hereditary House of Assad claimed their facility the Israelis bombed wasn't for nuke research, but then forbade then and forever IAEA inspectors from looking into it, despite being NPT signatories. I guarantee if the Israelis attacked a site that had nothing to do with WMDs, Hafez or Bashar the Very Mighty Lion would happily give the IAEA carte blanche and rend their clothes moaning for all the world to know they wuz wronged by the Zionist Entity.

Taiwan and Sweden had secret nuclear weapons development, and the former lied to the IAEA after signing NPT for years until the late 80s.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction#Nuclear_weapons

Now that Taiwan has Biden in office and Xi saber rattling , I bet they regret not bucking International Great Power Law Bullying.

BTW I'd say 75% chance CCP takes over Taiwan without a shot, which wouldn't happen if they had wonderful nuclear deterents. That's the problem with relying on others - the "others" don't stay the same over the years.

India and Pakistan (the latter got it flying US taxpayer provided C130s to pick up NORK and CCP parts, Centrifuge materials, and tech and innate R&D heavily financed by the House of Saud, who in return is guaranteed a bomb if Iran gets one) don't do the NPT either.

Onvacation says

Why didn't you vote against her? Did you not realize how evil she was at the time?

Maybe you were butt hurt that Jeb didn't win? Who was your dog in the race back in 2016?

I left it blank in 2016 and proudly voted for Trump in 2020. I was never a JEB! fan. I was hoping for someone like Scott Walker who could point to his Conservative successes in Wisconsin and make it an issue election like I am hoping we can do with DeSantis and Florida. I was for Cruz after that. Of course they have no charisma compared to Trump.

I live in California, so my vote wouldn't impact anything, otherwise I would have voted for Trump in 2016 too. I assumed in 2016 Trump was just another New York Liberal and was pleasantly surprised by some of his successes while in office.

socal2 says

the moron party

Republican?

Onvacation says

socal2 says

the moron party

Republican?

Yes.

AmericanKulak says

The US government rebuked many countries in the 50s and 60s for atomic research, and pretty much all research will have an end result in nuclear weapons.

Well, that probably because of what the US did. All of our nuclear power plants are used to create plutonium. ALL of them are.

There's the alternative called thorium nuclear power. That's INCREDIBLY safe. The way it works is you have a thorium salt, you expose it to a neutron source, this causes the thorium to temporarily become an unstable isotope of uranium, it decays to something else, releases heat.

Why is thorium so safe? Well, the salt is in a container to hold the liquid, at the bottom of it is a plug, and if it gets too hot, the plug melts, the thorium drains, the reaction ends because it's no longer being exposed to the neutrons. It's a brilliant design, totally safe, and can't be used to make nuclear weapons. We had working thorium reactors in the 1960's.

AmericanKulak says

"They didn't allow the IAEA". Most countries didn't, or only under narrow, Potemkin-village style inspections, including South Africa which did not allow inspections until 3 years after they tested the bomb in 1982, not until 1985.

S. Africa tested a bomb? Well, I didn't know that. From a little quick research, it looks like they had gotten to the point of just being at the testing stage, but abandoned it. I know that Israel offered to sell S. Africa technology. I don't think S. Africa actually detonated a nuclear weapon.

AmericanKulak says

The Hereditary House of Assad claimed their facility the Israelis bombed wasn't for nuke research, but then forbade then and forever IAEA inspectors from looking into it, despite being NPT signatories. I guarantee if the Israelis attacked a site that had nothing to do with WMDs, Hafez or Bashar the Very Mighty Lion would happily give the IAEA carte blanche and rend their clothes moaning for all the world to know they wuz wronged by the Zionist Entity.

Can't trust anything the US government, or any international body says about Iran at this point. The US has been claiming that Iran is "months away" from having a nuclear weapon since 1982. The Ayatollah has basically said that nuclear weapons are immoral and never be developed by Iran. It's a religious commitment from them, not a technological one.

It's quite easy to make a nuclear bomb today. I could do it, seriously. It would be expensive, my bomb would suck, but it's not hard to do. Refinement of uranium is difficult.

AmericanKulak says

BTW I'd say 75% chance CCP takes over Taiwan without a shot, which wouldn't happen if they had wonderful nuclear deterents. That's the problem with relying on others - the "others" don't stay the same over the years.

There's two parties in Taiwan, and the party that wants reunification with China (KMT) is gaining power because the DPP is so fucking corrupt and Taiwanese are losing faith in it. It's when the KMT had HUGE wins a few years ago the US started saber rattling. If Taiwan reunifies with China, the nutcases that run US foreign policy would prefer there be a war rather than a peaceful resolution. They always want war, without exception.

AmericanKulak says

India and Pakistan (the latter got it flying US taxpayer provided C130s to pick up NORK and CCP parts, Centrifuge materials, and tech and innate R&D heavily financed by the House of Saud, who in return is guaranteed a bomb if Iran gets one) don't do the NPT either.

It's illegal for the United States to provide "aid" to any nuclear armed state, but it doesn't matter - the US just ignores the law. We have no law, so Israel having nuclear weapons, it's just par for the course. Our government just ignores laws when it's not convenient, just like they ignore human rights, or self-determination. There are no rules at all.

The US bitches and moans about what Russia is doing to Ukraine, and PARTIALLY rightly so, but it's no different from what the US did to Iraq. The most the US can hope for in that war is Russia will get a bloody nose.

I wish US foreign policy wasn't run by nutcases, and instead of constantly overthrowing nations, going to war, wasting billions, and killing millions, they'd just find a fucking diplomat or two - but we end up with these compulsive liars, that make up bullshit, intelligence agencies that just lie about their findings, Offense Contractors bribing everything from "news" channels to intelligence officials to make up reasons for war. Lockheed Martin, Raytheon, Boeing - they are killing this nation and there's not a single person in the military or the government that will even offer the slightest resistance to it and the wider population is STILL largely oblivious to it.

socal2 says

I live in California, so my vote wouldn't impact anything, otherwise I would have voted for Trump in 2016 too. I assumed in 2016 Trump was just another New York Liberal and was pleasantly surprised by some of his successes while in office.

Trump IS a NY Liberal, from 1960. He's got more in common with Robert Kennedy Junior than he does with George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Mitt Romney, or Mike Pence for that matter.

That's what is so fucking stupid about this. The rank and file Republicans largely like Trump, and the "liberals" hate him, although he's FAR more liberal in terms of foreign policy and even domestic policy than Joe Biden is. It's frustrating to be old enough to remember what a classic liberal was like in 1960, and yet I hear asswipes like Noam Chomsky bitch and moan about him endlessly, although Chomsky once claimed to be a liberal - he's just an authoritarian asshole though.

last paragraph from Anne's latest (July 19 2023) column which makes the case that Trump's endorsement of DeSantis for Gov had no effect and that Trump shouldn't take offence at other people running for the RNC nomination :

"Aside from the insanely narcissistic rank stupidity of Trump thinking he has the right to demand that no other Republican run against him, DeSantis owes him absolutely nothing. Next year, when the “justice-involved” former president is angling for a presidential pardon and decides to endorse DeSantis, the governor should refuse it. That will bring the country together."

I'm not sure how to interpret this - is she predicting DeSantis will be the front runner and Trump out of the race due to legal pressures?

If so, that's a pretty bold prediction. For someone who has opined that the democrats want to get Trump nominated because he will be the weakest in the national election Anne seems to be making the opposite claim here - that he will be put out of the race because of Democrat inspired lawfare. Maybe I am misunderstanding her post?

If Trump received the death penalty, the Neo-Con, establishment fake Ann Coulter might show some outrage to her duped followers, but in private, she'd probably be celebrating.