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Ceffer says

https://t.me/FirstAmendmentPraetorian/58454

Unnamed is just code for propaganda.

Secret sources are just made up. We've known this for years from "Russia-gate". It's POSSIBLE this is true, but I strongly recommend you note this and check up later.

Nobody seems to remember what they were told a few years ago. Remember Dawit Kelete? I bet you don't. What happened to him? He was national news for a while. So was Anita Sarkessian, Suey Park, Emma Sulckowicz, and Zoe Quinn. Two of them were in front of the UN speaking about women's rights. Do you even remember Dylan Mulvaney who everybody was once up in arms against?

You won't remember though. I've tried with this thread:

https://www.patrick.net/post/1378706/2023-03-05-whatever-happened-to?start=32

We cannot learn from our past apparently. I expected we could, but it doesn't seem possible. It's just endless repetition, seeing the same bullshit repeated over and over. I was told I had a gift with a good memory, absolutely not, it's a curse.

And what an irony - I'm atheist, but I still worry for my eternal soul. I can see the patterns but taking advantage of them, I consider evil.

Ceffer says

Of course, Jordan and the Saudis would just love that new port in Gaza, too, and the new canal project extending from Elat to the new Gaza port.

And the people IN Gaza would benefit from all the Jobs the oil and gas pipelines, tank farms, and highways for goods and bulk.

Terrorists, however, would no longer be able to recruit as much, snatch all the UN Aid, and appeal to Iran for terror grant money to harass the Sunni heretics and Jews. Most of these things last 5x longer than they should because the IRA, FARC, etc. leadership makes so much money smuggling, kidnapping, extortion and protection rackets, etc. they don't care about any reasonable offers that fix most of what they claimed drove them to violence in the first place.

Oh - and a Pipeline from the Gulf To Gaza means an alternative that bypasses Syria, Hezbollah (Iran and Syria), Turkish, etc. controls on the northern pipelines
AND, it means the Houthis in the Red Sea aren't as able to disrupt as much of the flow of oil from the Gulf and up the Suez Canal.
AND, it replaces Syria, Iran, and Islamicists influence over the Palestinians with Gulf Arabs.
AND, an alternative to the Suez Canal, also sadz for Islamicists who would love to overthrow the Egyptian Government.

Now you know why Hamas and Iran did what they did, knowing it was a risky-as-fuck undertaking.

Wonder why Judea/Samaria ("West Bank") under PA control is so quiet given everything happening in Gaza?

Especially relative to the protests of Leftists and Palestinians abroad?

AmericanKulak says

And the people IN Gaza would benefit from all the Jobs the oil and gas pipelines, tank farms, and highways for goods and bulk.

Possibly, but think in terms of history.

When have the Palestinians ever benefited from Israeli plans?

It's like the US saying that Libyans will benefit from oil finds. No, corporations do. The people never benefit.

Russia has rich energy resources, do THEY benefit from it? War is a result of those discoveries. The West sees something they want or desire, they destroy the country, they don't help. Our nations steal, they don't cooperate.

This is trivial to show. The United States overthrew Guatemala over BANANAS. Something as trivial as that. Energy is much more important.

AmericanKulak says

Wonder why Judea/Samaria ("West Bank") under PA control is so quiet given everything happening in Gaza?

Especially relative to the protests of Leftists and Palestinians abroad?

Simple. they are controlled.

They are like Pakistan and Benghazi.

West Bank just allows more control of land, more appropriation. They've not resisted for over 20 years, but plenty of them are killed. They will be extinguished. I thought they would be first, but perhaps Gaza will be. Time will tell. Gaza could possibly blow up Israel, but it's been 3/4 of a decade. How can anybody predict when things finally blow up?

Every government is a mafia, and they don't represent people, they are just in it for themselves. This is why pushback is essential, not loyalty.

Our buddy Benjamin Fulford weighs in with his Monday news tease. Black Sun and P3 Masons, of course, are the Holy Roman Empire, black nobles and the Vatican. All roads always seem to lead back to the burning eye of Sauron that is Switzerland, the banksters and the Vatican.
Weather and environmental HAARP type weapons are now fully acknowledged and identified to proper source and origin for retaliation? They got a few free cheap shots with them, but that is over and the zero sum game is pending?

https://benjaminfulford.net/iran-attacks-israel-brought-to-you-by-coca-cola-vanguard-and-blackrock/
https://www.tiktok.com/@reginatanasovrana/photo/7324596871458983201?is_from_webapp=1&sender_device=pc

https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2024/04/13/723591/IRGC-seizes-Israel-linked-container-ship-in-Strait-of-Hormuz-

Fulford also claims a tawdry merchandising stunt with Coca Cola purposely displayed with labels towards the camera by Blackrock/Vanguard et alia. "World War III goes better with Coke", LOL!

And, the Iranians chime in with characteristic Middle Eastern swordrattlespeak. One thing is definite, their ultrasonic missiles penetrated all defenses and hit what was intended, even if it was theatrics and nobody was killed and a bunch of flak rockets and drones were disabled. Question is, what will they put on those missiles in the future.

Ceffer says

And, the Iranians chime in with characteristic Middle Eastern swordrattlespeak. One thing is definite, their ultrasonic missiles penetrated all defenses and hit what was intended, even if it was theatrics and nobody was killed and a bunch of flak rockets and drones were disabled. Question is, what will they put on those missiles in the future.

I respect your hope, but you don't have enough experience even being older than me, there is none. We have to do it. There's no group in control, it's just us. That's why there is this madness, there is no central authority although you've been trained to think that all the way up from experts to god.

It's a difficult thing to change the world for the better.

Can't say Cooper isn't on target so far.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1779481070221574602

https://rumble.com/v1l5v6b-william-cooper-the-cnn-interview-full-length-project-orion-agenda-to-disarm.html

https://avia.pro/blog/ko-vtoroy-faze-otveta-oruzhie-gotovo-iran-gotov-udarit-po-izrailyu-oruzhiem-kotoroe-ranee

No takers on why we call retaliatory strikes on Israel attacks, but unprovoked targeting of an embassy is explained away? You guys are losing the war for your mind...

NuttBoxer says

No takers on why we call retaliatory strikes on Israel attacks, but unprovoked targeting of an embassy is explained away? You guys are losing the war for your mind...

Must be to many Muslims in positions of power in media.

Guessing this is sarcasm, but the patnetters creating the OP's aren't Jews or Muslims. Want you guys to really think about how you're stating things, and why?

RC2006 says

Must be to many Muslims in positions of power in media.

You don't think there aren't tons of anti-western Millennial Muslim Chicks writing articles? Go look at some bylines in the NYT and Vox and Guardian and such. And reporting from Fakestine and the Middle East? It's been heavily Muslim photographers and correspondants with a bias for decades.

NuttBoxer says

No takers on why we call retaliatory strikes on Israel attacks, but unprovoked targeting of an embassy is explained away? You guys are losing the war for your mind...

It wasn't an embassy. It was a building near the embassy.

The IRGC is designated by multiple countries, including the USA, as a Terrorist Group. It's the armed wing of a political party, not the official diplomatic corps of the Theocracy of Iran.



Diversify information sources.

Why DID Israel attack the IRGC Building Not Embassy in Damascus?

NuttBoxer says

Guessing this is sarcasm, but the patnetters creating the OP's aren't Jews or Muslims. Want you guys to really think about how you're stating things, and why?

Number one is this should not be a problem for the US. Personally I'm sick of my tax dollars being laundered through conflict.
I'm very sceptical about Israel being a ally. They tried to assassinate Truman, tried to sink our warship to get us into conflict, and who knows what else. They are a religious state and their people have a disproportionate amount of sway on our country. I'm tired of them being beyond criticism most of the time and constantly playing the victim card.
Either they can exist on their own or not, that's up to them not the US.

AmericanKulak says

RC2006 says

Must be to many Muslims in positions of power in media.

You don't think there aren't tons of anti-western Millennial Muslim Chicks writing articles? Go look at some bylines in the NYT and Vox and Guardian and such. And reporting from Fakestine and the Middle East? It's been heavily Muslim photographers and correspondants with a bias for decades.

Why are they anti-western, why are we in the middle east.

Second I don't care what woke women say feminists/feminism is anti-western cancer.

RC2006 says

Number one is this should not be a problem for the US. Personally I'm sick of my tax dollars being laundered through conflict.
I'm very sceptical about Israel being a ally. They tried to assassinate Truman, tried to sink our warship to get us into conflict, and who knows what else. They are a religious state and their people have a disproportionate amount of sway on our country. I'm tired of them being beyond criticism most of the time and constantly playing the victim card.
Either they can exist on their own or not, that's up to them not the US.

This is one of the better comments I've seen on the topic. First we don't need to be involved. 2nd, BOTH countries/territories have problems to figure out. One has vocally and in writing stated they wish to eliminate the other. This is a street fight. Let them just do their thing without involving us across an Ocean.

This never ends until someone ends it. This one is a war to the death or one side overthrows their government. Really no other options at this point.

WookieMan says

One has vocally and in writing stated they wish to eliminate the other.

You make claims like the above entirely unaware you are wrong..

Show the writing, liar.

richwicks says

WookieMan says

One has vocally and in writing stated they wish to eliminate the other.

You make claims like the above entirely unaware you are wrong..

Show the writing, liar.

https://www.dni.gov/nctc/ftos/hamas_fto.html#:~:text=HAMAS%20emerged%20in%201987%20during,Palestinian%20state%20in%20Israel's%20place.

https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/what-hamas

Hamas is Palestine. No different than Putin is Russia. Xi China. What don't you get? Hamas is leadership and 100% wants to eliminate Israel. Their biggest supporter is Iran. This isn't fake news or propaganda. It's what is actually happening. Fine "some" Palestinians don't want this, but they allowed it to happen. At some point the bull shit has to stop. Indisputable. Someone just needs to end it.

They could have lived peaceably forever. Egypt won't even fucking take them in. Attack them with your bull shit faux anger. They're both Muslim after all, right? You're out of your element Donny. Stick to your schtick of Iraq and Afghanistan and WMD's. The record that keeps spinning and gets no results.

WookieMan says

https://www.dni.gov/nctc/ftos/hamas_fto.html#:~:text=HAMAS%20emerged%20in%201987%20during,Palestinian%20state%20in%20Israel's%20place

My government has no credibility.

You said Hamas said this. That will be in Palestinian Arabic.

I'm not wasting any time with a government that just poisoned 200 million people with a fake pandemic and has lied to start 8 wars.

WookieMan says

https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/what-hamas

Council of Foreign Relations???????

For fucks sake.

You want to know why you "think" that Hamas has it in their charter (never looking EVER at the charter though) that the destruction of Israel is their goal?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1988_Hamas_charter#1987_until_2004

As early as March 2004 though (but possibly much sooner), The Washington Institute for Near East Policy, a strong factor in the pro-Israel lobby in the United States of America, had understood the Hamas charter as to be a religiously motivated call for the "destruction of the State of Israel".

That's where you get it from, from a "think tank" (i.e. propaganda group) whose job is it is to lie to you. They "INTERPRETED" it and they get creative about how they "interpret" things.

Be simple enough to quote them, but they don't. I've heard this fucking nonsense for 30 years.

30 years ago how was I to go through and find the charter in Arabic and get a reliable translation?

اليوم، أصبح من السهل جدًا استخدام أدوات الترجمة. لم يعد الأمر كما كان قبل 30 عامًا، حيث كانت تُترجم فقط كلمة بكلمة، ولم تكن لديها القدرة على فهم السياق. سهل للغاية اليوم.

Here's all the goddamned power in the world, and you will never use it.

RC2006 says

Why are they anti-western, why are we in the middle east.

Oil is much cheaper from the Middle East than anywhere else. If we aren't the top customer somebody else will benefit.

We can debate if the effort is worth it, but there are rational economic and geopolitical reasons behind it.

NuttBoxer says

No takers on why we call retaliatory strikes on Israel attacks, but unprovoked targeting of an embassy is explained away? You guys are losing the war for your mind...

It was retaliatory. The strike killed an IRGC General behind the Oct 7th Terrorist Butchery of Civilians.

Also, for years, Hamas and Hezbollah would launch 100s of rockets into Israel. If Israel dropped one smart bomb on Hamas or Hezbollah, everybody would whinge "Why is Israel attacking, just take the rocket attacks, boo hoo. Don't respond to attacks!"

Saudi Arabia and Jordan are now revealed to have shot down the Iranian inbounds, also.

And we now know the reason for Hamas breaking a ceasefire with no valid cause to attack Israel in October: Iran ordered them to in order to create chaos to stop the Saudi-Israel normalization negotations that were advancing rapidly.

You won't hear this from Fuentes, Dawson, PressTV, MintPress, Sputnik, Middle East Eye, etc. They don't give you the whole story because they have a bias (SHOCK! Nooo, they're just Twuthtellers!)

So the ZIONAZI NEOCON KHAZARIANEVILDOERS are indeed correct: Iran doesn't want peace with Israel, or for other Muslims to make peace.

AmericanKulak says

It was retaliatory. The strike killed an IRGC General behind the Oct 7th Terrorist Butchery of Civilians.

How was an Iranian general responsible for October 7th?

Just the sheer fucking nonsense people repeat.

AmericanKulak says

RC2006 says

Why are they anti-western, why are we in the middle east.

Oil is much cheaper from the Middle East than anywhere else. If we aren't the top customer somebody else will benefit.

We can debate if the effort is worth it, but there are rational economic and geopolitical reasons behind it.

True but then we picked the wrong side we should have nurtured and stayed allied with Iran. We should have never let the creation of Israel to happen it was a mistake.

RC2006 says

True but then we picked the wrong side we should have nurtured and stayed allied with Iran. We should have never let the creation of Israel to happen it was a mistake.

I don't think the US should have prevented Israel from being created, however, I think the US shouldn't be fucking lying all the time on Israel's behalf.

The US claimed to be an impartial negotiator for 40 years, that was a lie. They lied to do Iraq and Syria, and both in part because ISRAEL had beefs with those countries. We shouldn't be giving weapons to Israel either.

We had a great reputation after WWII, and Iran and many nations wanted to follow in our footsteps. We screwed over every country that did.

We as a nation have been using intimidation on everybody in the middle east, it doesn't work anymore. It's damned if you do, and damned if you don't. The US will NOT NEGOTIATE with anybody. We haven't done honest negotiation in 30 years. Doesn't matter if Iran attacks Israel or not, the US will attack Iran regardless.

RC2006 says

True but then we picked the wrong side we should have nurtured and stayed allied with Iran. We should have never let the creation of Israel to happen it was a mistake.

We were allied to Iran, until the radical Shi'a Apocalyptics took over the country and took our people hostage. And, the Shah and Israel got along fine also. As for Mossadeq, he was planning to sieze all the oil fields and refineries built with US/UK funds with minimal compensation, AND was talking to the USSR as a hedge against the West. He was a Socialist and wanted to move Iran from Western oriented into the Soviet or at least Non-Aligned camp.

As I mentioned previously, it's hilarious that pro-Ayatollah propaganda calls Christians in the US "Apocalyptic" when the IRGC and Ayatollahs believe the 12th Imam, or Mahdi, will only return if great violence exists in the world. Or they complain about the Shah when in the 80s they sent 1000s of orphans unarmed into Iraqi minefields, and then killed thousands of dissidents AND their children in 1989.

We should be pissed at France for sheltering the Ayatollah.

EDIT: That's 1988. And 3000 is close to the lowest estimate of 2500, which goes up to 25,000.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1988_executions_of_Iranian_political_prisoners

AmericanKulak says

We were allied to Iran, until the radical Shi'a Apocalyptics took over the country and took our people hostage. And, the Shah and Israel got along fine also.

But you're omitting that we got along fine because the US installed the Shah, through a coup, that deposed a newly formed democratic republic. The Shah is a king, an absolute ruler, but we controlled him so of course Iran and Israel "got along",

The reason Iranian hostages were taken in 1979, is they overthrew the dictatorship the US installed. Operation Ajax was the coup name, and it was planned in the US embassy, which is why the Iranian took over the embassy.

When it was noticed that a religious group could throw out a foreign imposed government, it got copied. So, that's the birth of "modern Islamic terrorism".

US policies NEVER EVER learn from past mistakes. The US attack Iraq, and now it's controlled by Iran. It attacked Syria, and nothing has changed other than the people have been hurt - Syria isn't a huge oil producer. The US has been shouting off their fucking mouths about Iran having a nuclear weapons program, when Israel does.

US foreign policy is just hypocrisy, lies, and fuckups.

So far:

An IRGC Office - NOT the Official Embassy of Iran - in Damascus was attacked. The Embassy is clearly undamaged, complete with a picture of the Ayatollah hanging in front, according to the picture posted above by Reuters. The latter being a media group with a long history of using anti-Israel photographers and photoshoppers, so this is evidence from a hostile witness, IMHO.

The IRGC is a polticial party and considered a terrorist organization by many countries, including the USA. It is an armed wing of the Radical Shi'a Party ruling Iran, akin to the SS or Bashar's Ba'athist "Ghosts" Units. No member of the IRGC, under international law, is subject to diplomatic protection or immunity.

The target was an IRGC General who coordinated the October 7th terrorist attacks that killed 1400 almost all civilians, teenage festival goers and sleepy villagers.

The October 7th attack, planned with at least some input by the IRGC, violated an in-place ceasefire without any of the conditions of that ceasefire being broken by Israel, on a Holiday weekend. Without any advance notice and for maximum surprise.

Iran and Hamas apologists want you to overlook that fact desperately, or are ignorant of it themselves.

The attack was planned BECAUSE Israeli and Saudi normalization talks were making great progress, and Iran wants to isolate BOTH Israel and Saudi Arabia.

As both threaten to restrain expansive Radical Shi'a influence in the Middle East.

The attack was funded by Iran borrowing against the $6B Biden stole from the Persian People and deposited in Qatar, which is Ayatollah-friendly. And a place where de facto enslavement and abusive of foreign workers takes place.

Nothing currently happening would have happened if Iran hadn't commanded Hamas to commit the October 7th Attacks.

If Israeli-Saudi talks, which are continuing, are successful, it will go a long way to lowering the temperature in the Middle East over the long term by a major degree. Disruptors and Expansionists want high levels of chaos from Shipping Piracy to Rocket Attacks to continue, as Chaos benefits their plans.

Despite the predictions of the Pro-Iran/Pro-Hamas Propagandists a few months ago, no US Troops were employed in Ground Combat in Gaza

Finally, it's no accident that the 3-H Club of Hamas, Houthis, and Hezbollah, Iranian-Syrian proxies all, have been suddenly very active from Israel to Yemen, following Biden's bribe of Iran.

Never forget the bombing of IRGC General Suleiman, one of Trump's best moves in the Middle East.

While the Iranians made a quick puppet show of retaliation by firing things ineffectually here and there to tamp down domestic outrage, they then shut the fuck up and behaved for the rest of Trump's Term.

There is no need to be fully isolationist and lose influence of a vital geographic and economically valuable part of the world. Nor is there a need to put tens of thousands of US boots on the ground and be excessively interventionist.

However, sad fact is that as long as America is not 100% autarkical economically, we will always have to send Decatur on a Frigate to slap around some Libyan warlords on the other side of the world now and again. "To the shores of Tripoli".

Just because you don't want to get involved, doesn't mean a Libyan or Houthi Pirate Warlord won't try to sieze your shipping.

Also, "Partisan Girl" or "Syrian Girl", another MENA hater and (EDIT) Bitchute Bullshitter living comfortably and safely in Australia, is getting sued for defamation and will no longer be able to afford her regular Botox Fishlips injections shortly.

Fun fact, before she denied Syria had Chemical Weapons, in 2014 one of her most popular videos is titled "If Syria Disarms Chemical Weapons We Lose the War".

So which is it Dear? Does Muh Bashar the Mighty Lion need to keep his chemical weapons, or is it an evil ZIOLIE that he has/had them?

Oh, and I just found this out, she's a member of the Syrian Social Nationalist Party, whose platform for a Greater Syria encompassing all of modern Syria, parts of Turkey and Iraq and Jordan, all of Lebanon, and all of Israel & PA controlled areas. Sounds very peaceful and non-expansive.

You gotta love these people who bring up some flight of fancy article by one guy in Israel in 1982 named Oded, writing for himself, as proof of "Dangerous Zionist Hegemony" -- while being a member of a NatSoc party whose platform for decades includes expanding their state to encompass pretty much the entire Levant.

AmericanKulak says

There is no need to be fully isolationist and lose influence of a vital geographic and economically valuable part of the world.

No, there isn't, but the more people we kill and the more nations we bomb, the more resistance we create.

It's come to a head now. Iran just showed they can place a missile anywhere they want in Israel.

There are 650,000 active duty people in the Iranian military. Israel is 10 million people.

AmericanKulak says

Just because you don't want to get involved, doesn't mean a Libyan or Houthi Pirate Warlord won't try to sieze your shipping.

The Houthi are attacking only ships that are controlled by Israeli corporations and are doing trade with Israel.

Finally, if you think I'm bullshitting about the SSNP's aims and goals, here is their endorsement of the Oct 7th attacks, a call to end the Abraham ("Ibrahim") normalization talks, reversing all agreements already made under them, a call for the PA to join in, and a call for all the Levant to be part of Syria:

The party stresses that the “ square unit ” has become a list that is not removed by enemy arrogance, and that the unification of fronts from Gaza to the West Bank, southern Lebanon and the Golan has become a reality.

The party also calls on the Palestinian Authority to take a responsible position in front of the greatness of the scene, and to stop security coordination in a holistic and decisive manner with the occupation, and calls on all our Palestinian people to engage in confrontation، And immediately join the heroic epic of the resistance.

The party calls on the countries of the world to stand right in support of the Palestinian issue, and calls for stopping all recent normalization talks, and ending the agreements “ Ibrahimi ” signed in previous years،; Adopting a resistant act as the only option in dealing with an enemy that only understands the language of iron and fire.

The Syrian National Social Party declares its absolute readiness, and places the “ whirlwind factions ” on full readiness, and confirms that this is not the time to wait and wait, but the time for serious action to liberate Palestine and our entire occupied lands.

https://ssnparty.org/%d8%a8%d9%8a%d8%a7%d9%86-%d8%b1%d9%82%d9%85-2-%d8%b7%d9%88%d9%81%d8%a7%d9%86-%d8%a7%d9%84%d8%a3%d9%82%d8%b5%d9%89-%d8%b9%d8%b2%d8%a9-%d9%81%d9%84%d8%b3%d8%b7%d9%8a%d9%86-%d9%88%d8%a7%d9%84%d8%a3/

Archive: https://archive.is/xGpw5

Translation via Google translate.

Wow, sounds like a real peaceful party that just wants to be left alone from Zionist interference. Yeah, Zionist existence preventing them from conquering Lebanon and Israel (and by extension, Jordan alone could not stand up to Syria)

It is the second largest party supporting Bashar Assad's government in Syria. In the 1980s, Jordan banned and expelled the party as it's stated goal is the end of Jordan and it's incorporation into Greater Syria.

Socialists, Nat or Int, are masters of Projection.

AmericanKulak says

Finally, if you think I'm bullshitting about the SSNP's aims and goals, here is their endorsement of the Oct 7th attacks,

Syria has been bombed by Israel for years. Not too long ago, Israel landed a missile at the Damascus airport.

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20220613-israel-bombs-damascus-airport-to-stop-iran-from-smuggling-weapons-to-hezbollah/

I don't know anything about the internal politics of Syria other than they have been in a civil war for a long time, which the US has been supporting against the Syrian government, but I can understand the enmity Israel makes by also openly engaging in that fight. Israel was caught aiding ISIS

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Collaboration_with_the_Islamic_State

Lebanon has been repeatedly attacked by Israel and quite catastrophically.

Israel keeps creating enemies, it's not a shock to me that they retaliate. I am actually worried for Israel. I predict at least 100,000 Palestinian civilians will be killed, Hamas is supposedly only 40,000 people. Israel denies starvation is happening, but I doubt they'll be able to hide it. If Israel pushes the Palestinians into the Sinai Egypt will retaliate. Population transfers are used as weapons, that was what the Kurds have been REPEATEDLY use for, and they are the PKK.

The Merowe Dam in Sudan is causing problems with Egypt by restricting water flow. It's said to be limiting crop production, which is why Egypt simply cannot take in a million refugees.

AmericanKulak says

Finally, if you think I'm bullshitting about the SSNP's aims and goals, here is their endorsement of the Oct 7th attacks, a call to end the Abraham ("Ibrahim") normalization talks, reversing all agreements already made under them, a call for the PA to join in, and a call for all the Levant to be part of Syria:

You're arguing a losing battle dude with Rich. US is bad, we cause all the problems. Nah, independent nations are just US puppets. You can't have a discussion or argument with that type of person. I know Patrick has met him supposedly, but he's just an anti-American puppet from the West Coast. His reality is not most of the country and he doesn't leave CA. So good luck. Hopefully he doesn't threaten you because you make logical arguments and we don't always agree on topics. It's disagreement on anything with him. I could say my lawn looks great and he'd find a problem. That's what you're dealing with.

Why should we be so afraid of Iran?

Let’s be honest: President Biden and the Democrats want you to be terrified of Iran. And it’s not just on the left. There are plenty of people on the right expressing the same sentiment, though maybe for slightly different reasons.
All we hear is “We don’t want war with Iran, no matter what.” Well, pardon me for asking, but why not? Why are we supposed to be so afraid of Iran?
Look, I’m not hoping for a war. But do you really think it would be all that difficult for the U.S. to defeat Iran?
If we fight the war the way we should — roll through, destroy their military as quickly as possible and chase their government into hiding or into the arms of the public they’ve oppressed, then leave — there’s no doubt we’d win.
Just as Russia is weaker than we were told, so is Iran. Recall how, when Vladimir Putin invaded Ukraine, we expected to see the world’s second-greatest military roll up Europe’s poorest country like it was a cheap carpet. But it turns out that Russia is so stupidly corrupt that it cannot wage war effectively. Everyone in the power structure is in on the scam, from the lowliest officers selling their military units’ fuel, rations and bullets, to the oligarchs looting the country’s public budget, to Putin himself. Russian military leaders themselves “have estimated that 20 percent to 40 percent of Russia’s military budget is stolen.” That implies a theft of as much as $34 billion per year, or more than the entire state budget of 29 U.S. states.
Iran is no different than Russia in one respect. It is judged as having a strong military based on what the intelligence community thinks the Iranians spend on it, and the fact that it fought Iraq to a stalemate four decades ago. But then, Iraq’s military was also supposedly formidable. It turned out not to be so — in fact, defeating Iraq’s military was the easiest part both times we invaded.
There is no reason to think we couldn’t neutralize Iran’s military just as easily, at least before it develops a nuclear weapon. I’m not saying we should invade, but we should be doing things that puts that fear into the back of Iranian leaders’ minds.
Ronald Reagan’s strategy of “peace through strength” worked not because of the peace part, but because of the strength part. The credible threat of severe consequences is one heck of a strong incentive to avoid bad behavior.
War is an inherently destructive activity. In principle, peace is always in everyone’s interest. But that ceases to be the case when peace requires turning a blind eye to so much aggression. Between its participation in the October 7 terrorist attacks, its nearly 200 attacks on our own bases in the time since, its attacks on Red Sea shipping and its massive aerial attack on Israel over the weekend, Iran has arguably already crossed the threshold of what we can afford to ignore.
The Biden administration seems content to protect Iran from consequences, even to the point of ridiculously denying Iranian involvement in October 7. Biden’s top priority, higher even than peace, seems to be a deal with Iran. But all of his denial is becoming unsustainable as Iran tests America’s limits.
Today, even a simple word of support for anti-regime protesters in the streets of Tehran would go a long way. We should really do more than that by actively supporting them.
Consider that Israel’s Islamic neighbors not only allowed Israel to use their airspace to defend itself from last weekend’s Iranian attack, but some of them actively participated in protecting the Holy City. That shows just how hated Iran’s regime has become in the region. It is making allies out of sworn enemies.
A strong president — one more concerned with the best interests of the country and world than his chances of winning Michigan — would by rallying opposition to Iran and squeezing its terrorist government from every conceivable angle. But we don’t have that president. Some other world leader will have to step up.
Until Iran develops a nuclear weapon, something Democrats seem desperate to make happen, it will be a paper tiger, only capable of inflicting damage through terrorist attacks by its own forces and the paramilitary groups it funds throughout the Middle East. Once Iran gets the bomb, that changes forever. So why are so many people helping the mullahs buy the time they need?
Derek Hunter is host of the Derek Hunter Podcast and a former staffer for the late Sen. Conrad Burns (R-Mont.).

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RC2006 says

They are a religious state

I disagree.Zionism is not a religion, it's an extremist ideology leveraged by the people who normally gravitate to government to justify the atrocities they commit. Is Israel unique is this behavior? Only in that they hide behind religion as a pretense more than most.

https://thecradle.co/articles-id/24419

US makes failed bid for Iran to allow 'symbolic strike' by Israel. An Iranian military security official has revealed exclusively to The Cradle that the US contacted the Islamic Republic, asking the nation to allow Israel "a symbolic strike to save face” following Iran's retaliatory drone and missile barrage this weekend. He added that Tehran “outright rejected” the proposal, delivered by mediators, and reiterated warnings that any Israeli attack on Iranian soil would be met with a decisive and immediate response. The reply was delivered directly to the Swiss envoy in Tehran by officials from the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) and not the foreign ministry.

WTF? Is the war all just theater?

Patrick says

WTF? Is the war all just theater?

Much of it is.

The Iranian strike that overwhelmed the Iron Dome didn't kill anybody, because Iran warned Israel in advance.

Basically Iran was proving to Israel the can get through Israeli defense even when the targets were announced.

Iran has a lot of weaponry, it's easy to exhaust the Iron Dome and just level all of Israel. Of course Israel has Dimona as well...

It's not uncommon to warn in advance. The US does it. Part of it is to make a population's government believe iit is "striking back".

Patrick says

WTF? Is the war all just theater?

LOL! A good bit of it. However, it's anybody's guess what is real, although there is reality in there outside of the stage management. Ever since the Hatfield and McCoy accusation exchanges of atrocities, many staged by both sides, I stopped wasting time on the blood and revulsion porn and the mutual accusation porn. Fuck all 'sides' on that issue.

The tit for tat retaliation stuff is programmed to go up and down the escalator for the hidden bosses. The only thing that seems a thing is that Iran demonstrated that it can get its targeted bombs into Israel and they have no meaningful defense. So, what is the next 'planned' escalation?

Ceffer says

So, what is the next 'planned' escalation?

Nothing. Gaza will just become worse, I don't think.Israel will expand into Israel, I expect maybe 50,000 more deaths in Gaza from starvation of whatever.

And it will be back to detente.

If Arab nations were serious about ending Israel, they would be gone. If there is a serious attack, it's world war 3 in the open.