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richwicks says

You know the answer, it was a false flag attack. Hamas is funded and financed by Israel, the deaths were designed to get enough sympathy for Israel to expel the Palestinians in Gaza.

Take your meds bro. Not everything in life is a false flag. Grow up.

WookieMan says

Take your meds bro. Not everything in life is a false flag. Grow up.

I notice you didn't answer the question. How was it that Israel wasn't able to stop a bunch of paragliders?

There are ISRAELIS who worked on the wall who said it was impossible to breach. You're just either so fucking gullible or so fucking dishonest.

richwicks says

WookieMan says

Take your meds bro. Not everything in life is a false flag. Grow up.

I notice you didn't answer the question. How was it that Israel wasn't able to stop a bunch of paragliders?

There are ISRAELIS who worked on the wall who said it was impossible to breach. You're just either so fucking gullible or so fucking dishonest.

You're an idiot dude. They expected rockets and had defenses for that. 100' or less AGL and radar can't track it. Why in the flying fuck did they attack one of the most militarily strong nations on the entire planet? You're a fucking retard. They want to kill jews. What isn't to understand about this. Lobotomies might need to come back.

WookieMan says

You're an idiot dude. They expected rockets and had defenses for that. 100' or less AGL and radar can't track it.

It's very easy to monitor airspace. Today, there is no need to fly in a rocket, apparently, just strap a bomb to a quadcopter and fly it in..

WookieMan says

Why in the flying fuck did they attack one of the most militarily strong nations on the entire planet?

Because they have been under military occupation for all of their lives and there is no way to end this occupation. Israel will NEVER negotiate an end to this occupation ever.

Israel as POLICY has been lying about wanting a 2 state solution for my entire life, and they have no intention of ever allowing it. Now a good portion of Israel are DUAL CITIZENS, and they don't have to stay there. Palestinians have nowhere to go. It's going to be one or the other.

WookieMan says

They want to kill jews. What isn't to understand about this.

It's not about "Jews" or "religion". If the KKK which was a protestant organization attacked black people in various ways, over decades, you would say that black people who don't like the KKK don't like them because they just hate protestants.

That's the difference between a "Zionist" and a "Jew". Jewish people, like anybody, can be decent good moral people with great values but just because somebody is Jewish doesn't magically make them a good person. Israel is an apartheid nation, a nuclear power, and has been attacking Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, Iraq, Iran, Jordan, just about damned near everybody in the Middle East.

And you have the gall, the stupidity to be asking "do they hate them because they're JEWISH????" They hate them because they're ASSHOLES. The US is hated by many nations because our leaders are fucking assholes.

Is Israel better or worse regarded today than it was 1 year ago? You think, "well, who cares, there will be no consequences". I predict Israel won't make it as a nation to be 100 years old and I also predict that the US will keep Israel running until the United States collapses.

RayAmerica says

I wish someone would explain to me how it is that 99% of all drones & missiles were recently destroyed, of which I do not doubt, and yet, low flying, slow moving, heavily armed Hamas paragliders were able to cross into Israel without any resistance coming from the IDF. And they were able to cross perhaps the most fortified border in the entire world. How did that happen?

Complacency. And cozying up to Pukin. Netaniahu was lulled into false sense of security by his supposedly friendly relations with the Soviets after many years of hostility. I bet they asked if they should be worried about all the activities on the other side of the wall and were assured that nothing is coming their way.

Netaniahu is a stupid cunt.

richwicks says

It's very easy to monitor airspace. Today, there is no need to fly in a rocket, apparently, just strap a bomb to a quadcopter and fly it in..

Again you're an idiot that threatened me. Read. There's your link chief. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nap-of-the-earth#:~:text=Nap%2Dof%2Dthe%2Dearth%20(NOE)%20is%20a,radar%22%20and%20%22hedgehopping%22.

RWSGFY says

Netaniahu is a stupid cunt.

No he's not, he's just another sociopath, but he's not stupid.

richwicks says

RWSGFY says

Netaniahu is a stupid cunt.

No he's not, he's just another sociopath, but he's not stupid.

He's smarter than you. He doesn't bitch and moan on a forum, do nothing and threaten randoms for no reason. You can make change but you choose to be a whiney loser. Just own it at some point.

WookieMan says

richwicks says

It's very easy to monitor airspace. Today, there is no need to fly in a rocket, apparently, just strap a bomb to a quadcopter and fly it in..

Again you're an idiot that threatened me. Read. There's your link chief. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nap-of-the-earth#:~:text=Nap%2Dof%2Dthe%2Dearth%20(NOE)%20is%20a,radar%22%20and%20%22hedgehopping%22.

They had to fly over a wall that is monitored 24 hours a day 7 days a week.

Here's what I would have done. I would have used thermal cameras and use them to detect motion. You've seen a ring camera I'm certain, all it's doing is detecting pixel changes, and when it happens, those changes are recorded. When nothing is happening it doesn't send data, that's why a battery lasts so long. The reason I'd use a thermal camera is it works night and day. The amounts of photons emitted by a warm body will rarely, if ever, be matched to the number of photons emitted from the air or cloud cover. The entire fucking wall is only like 40 miles long. I've gone on longer hikes.

I'm not the most brilliant person on the planet, and I'm doubtful nobody figured out what Amazon has done.

People are just ignorant of how far advanced we are in technology. People who aren't, you just won't listen to us.

I'm at a loss. Israel is now using ring camera tech... They're looking for fast incoming missiles and rockets. Not a paraglider going 15-20 mph. That's part of the reason they were caught off guard. Radar thought it was ground clutter because it was moving so slow. So they didn't react.

WookieMan says

I'm at a loss. Israel is now using ring camera tech...

I didn't say that, and you know I didn't.

I'm pointing out how absolutely trivial it is to monitor a wall that is 40 miles long. It can be entirely automated. Cameras that you think of are 30 years old, like videocameras, even the cheapest piece of shit phone has a camera, and that's $50. Cameras on a phone you would use have more resolution than your eye does, you don't have enough receptors in your eye to see all the detail, but it's cheap, so why not? The "retina display" of the iPhone from what, 10, 15 years ago, had higher resolution than any human being can perceive.

You know what a camera costs? $5. That's what it costs to make, because they are made in bulk. There's a whole profit line, so it adds up.

WookieMan says

They're looking for fast incoming missiles and rockets. Not a paraglider going 15-20 mph.

So they can do the difficult thing, but not the super fucking obviously simple thing.

WookieMan says

Radar thought it was ground clutter because it was moving so slow. So they didn't react.

RADAR is from 1950. It's obsolete.

We have these stealth aircraft, guess what you can't mask? Heat. That's trivial to detect and you cannot mask it. You don't need to actively bounce photons off from an aircraft to detect it now. Cameras are super, fucking, cheap. Seriously, how did they get back into Gaza? That entire place is monitored and actively controlled by military checkpoints. Our media doesn't talk about this.

The entire world is monitored with satellites, and you know where low earth orbit is? 120 miles up. Google maps is reduced image quality. What you see on that is 30 years out of date and it's still pretty amazing.

In any case, I just can't see the technology of a wall for what is basically a concentration camp, being that fucking dumb. I can solve the damned problem. If they dug under the wall, that I could see being undetected, but not going over it. How did they make it back anyhow? Did they go through a checkpoint? Did they strap the hostages into their paraglider and fly back? Basic, obvious questions are not answered.

I still have a little hope, technology is so damned powerful today, that we all have infinite access to information, and any dipshit can make a film suitable for IMAX, if they have the talent. When my parents were young, the highest technology was color film, I think super 8, something before that. We're at the point where you can record an entire lifetime.

But they can't monitor a wall?

Entire films have been produced on VHS video tapes, and smart phones just to prove it's possible. If you spend 100,000 on a camera, you're just doing it because people are USED to that technology, it's not better. A toy computer is now more powerful than a supercomputer was in 1990. It's a video game machine.

RWSGFY says

Netaniahu is a stupid cunt.

That and both a war and attacks happened on Holidays previously. They also should have had extra security up because the normalization meetings were moving ahead, and Iran doesn't want the Arab Muslims normalizing relations with Israel.

The hearings on this are going to be interesting.

RayAmerica says

I wish someone would explain to me how it is that 99% of all drones & missiles were recently destroyed, of which I do not doubt, and yet, low flying, slow moving, heavily armed Hamas paragliders were able to cross into Israel without any resistance coming from the IDF. And they were able to cross perhaps the most fortified border in the entire world. How did that happen?

Holiday Sunday morning, understaffed, lacking imagination, and expecting what usually happens, a massive rocket barrage. Totally unprepared.

The Israeli ravers weren't surprised by the rockets ... but thought the hanggliders were some kind of Festival Performance... until it was too late.

AmericanKulak says

The Israeli ravers weren't surprised by the rockets ... but thought the hanggliders were some kind of Festival Performance... until it was too late.

Hamas was HONESTLY funded by Israel.

The technology to see them is trivial and inexpensive to see a wall breach.

The invasion was near a military base.

There's no explanation of how kidnappers got across the wall with the hostages.

1/2 of Gaza is destroyed now, there are claims they are going through starvation, World Kitchen Aid was bombed by Israel.


original link

It's not explained, it's just "trust us". I can't trust my authorities anymore - from vaccines to war. How can you at this point? You enable this by your trust.

Sunni vs. Shiite old feelings die hard. Of course, anything unauthorized flying into Saudi or Jordanian air space would have been shot down without any particular partisan affiliation.

https://t.me/FirstAmendmentPraetorian/58454

Of course, Jordan and the Saudis would just love that new port in Gaza, too, and the new canal project extending from Elat to the new Gaza port.

https://t.me/FirstAmendmentPraetorian/58463

Ceffer says

https://t.me/FirstAmendmentPraetorian/58454

Unnamed is just code for propaganda.

Secret sources are just made up. We've known this for years from "Russia-gate". It's POSSIBLE this is true, but I strongly recommend you note this and check up later.

Nobody seems to remember what they were told a few years ago. Remember Dawit Kelete? I bet you don't. What happened to him? He was national news for a while. So was Anita Sarkessian, Suey Park, Emma Sulckowicz, and Zoe Quinn. Two of them were in front of the UN speaking about women's rights. Do you even remember Dylan Mulvaney who everybody was once up in arms against?

You won't remember though. I've tried with this thread:

https://www.patrick.net/post/1378706/2023-03-05-whatever-happened-to?start=32

We cannot learn from our past apparently. I expected we could, but it doesn't seem possible. It's just endless repetition, seeing the same bullshit repeated over and over. I was told I had a gift with a good memory, absolutely not, it's a curse.

And what an irony - I'm atheist, but I still worry for my eternal soul. I can see the patterns but taking advantage of them, I consider evil.

Ceffer says

Of course, Jordan and the Saudis would just love that new port in Gaza, too, and the new canal project extending from Elat to the new Gaza port.

And the people IN Gaza would benefit from all the Jobs the oil and gas pipelines, tank farms, and highways for goods and bulk.

Terrorists, however, would no longer be able to recruit as much, snatch all the UN Aid, and appeal to Iran for terror grant money to harass the Sunni heretics and Jews. Most of these things last 5x longer than they should because the IRA, FARC, etc. leadership makes so much money smuggling, kidnapping, extortion and protection rackets, etc. they don't care about any reasonable offers that fix most of what they claimed drove them to violence in the first place.

Oh - and a Pipeline from the Gulf To Gaza means an alternative that bypasses Syria, Hezbollah (Iran and Syria), Turkish, etc. controls on the northern pipelines
AND, it means the Houthis in the Red Sea aren't as able to disrupt as much of the flow of oil from the Gulf and up the Suez Canal.
AND, it replaces Syria, Iran, and Islamicists influence over the Palestinians with Gulf Arabs.
AND, an alternative to the Suez Canal, also sadz for Islamicists who would love to overthrow the Egyptian Government.

Now you know why Hamas and Iran did what they did, knowing it was a risky-as-fuck undertaking.

Wonder why Judea/Samaria ("West Bank") under PA control is so quiet given everything happening in Gaza?

Especially relative to the protests of Leftists and Palestinians abroad?

AmericanKulak says

And the people IN Gaza would benefit from all the Jobs the oil and gas pipelines, tank farms, and highways for goods and bulk.

Possibly, but think in terms of history.

When have the Palestinians ever benefited from Israeli plans?

It's like the US saying that Libyans will benefit from oil finds. No, corporations do. The people never benefit.

Russia has rich energy resources, do THEY benefit from it? War is a result of those discoveries. The West sees something they want or desire, they destroy the country, they don't help. Our nations steal, they don't cooperate.

This is trivial to show. The United States overthrew Guatemala over BANANAS. Something as trivial as that. Energy is much more important.

AmericanKulak says

Wonder why Judea/Samaria ("West Bank") under PA control is so quiet given everything happening in Gaza?

Especially relative to the protests of Leftists and Palestinians abroad?

Simple. they are controlled.

They are like Pakistan and Benghazi.

West Bank just allows more control of land, more appropriation. They've not resisted for over 20 years, but plenty of them are killed. They will be extinguished. I thought they would be first, but perhaps Gaza will be. Time will tell. Gaza could possibly blow up Israel, but it's been 3/4 of a decade. How can anybody predict when things finally blow up?

Every government is a mafia, and they don't represent people, they are just in it for themselves. This is why pushback is essential, not loyalty.

Our buddy Benjamin Fulford weighs in with his Monday news tease. Black Sun and P3 Masons, of course, are the Holy Roman Empire, black nobles and the Vatican. All roads always seem to lead back to the burning eye of Sauron that is Switzerland, the banksters and the Vatican.
Weather and environmental HAARP type weapons are now fully acknowledged and identified to proper source and origin for retaliation? They got a few free cheap shots with them, but that is over and the zero sum game is pending?

https://benjaminfulford.net/iran-attacks-israel-brought-to-you-by-coca-cola-vanguard-and-blackrock/
https://www.tiktok.com/@reginatanasovrana/photo/7324596871458983201?is_from_webapp=1&sender_device=pc

https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2024/04/13/723591/IRGC-seizes-Israel-linked-container-ship-in-Strait-of-Hormuz-

Fulford also claims a tawdry merchandising stunt with Coca Cola purposely displayed with labels towards the camera by Blackrock/Vanguard et alia. "World War III goes better with Coke", LOL!

And, the Iranians chime in with characteristic Middle Eastern swordrattlespeak. One thing is definite, their ultrasonic missiles penetrated all defenses and hit what was intended, even if it was theatrics and nobody was killed and a bunch of flak rockets and drones were disabled. Question is, what will they put on those missiles in the future.

Ceffer says

And, the Iranians chime in with characteristic Middle Eastern swordrattlespeak. One thing is definite, their ultrasonic missiles penetrated all defenses and hit what was intended, even if it was theatrics and nobody was killed and a bunch of flak rockets and drones were disabled. Question is, what will they put on those missiles in the future.

I respect your hope, but you don't have enough experience even being older than me, there is none. We have to do it. There's no group in control, it's just us. That's why there is this madness, there is no central authority although you've been trained to think that all the way up from experts to god.

It's a difficult thing to change the world for the better.

Can't say Cooper isn't on target so far.

https://twitter.com/i/status/1779481070221574602

https://rumble.com/v1l5v6b-william-cooper-the-cnn-interview-full-length-project-orion-agenda-to-disarm.html

https://avia.pro/blog/ko-vtoroy-faze-otveta-oruzhie-gotovo-iran-gotov-udarit-po-izrailyu-oruzhiem-kotoroe-ranee

No takers on why we call retaliatory strikes on Israel attacks, but unprovoked targeting of an embassy is explained away? You guys are losing the war for your mind...

NuttBoxer says

No takers on why we call retaliatory strikes on Israel attacks, but unprovoked targeting of an embassy is explained away? You guys are losing the war for your mind...

Must be to many Muslims in positions of power in media.

Guessing this is sarcasm, but the patnetters creating the OP's aren't Jews or Muslims. Want you guys to really think about how you're stating things, and why?

RC2006 says

Must be to many Muslims in positions of power in media.

You don't think there aren't tons of anti-western Millennial Muslim Chicks writing articles? Go look at some bylines in the NYT and Vox and Guardian and such. And reporting from Fakestine and the Middle East? It's been heavily Muslim photographers and correspondants with a bias for decades.

NuttBoxer says

No takers on why we call retaliatory strikes on Israel attacks, but unprovoked targeting of an embassy is explained away? You guys are losing the war for your mind...

It wasn't an embassy. It was a building near the embassy.

The IRGC is designated by multiple countries, including the USA, as a Terrorist Group. It's the armed wing of a political party, not the official diplomatic corps of the Theocracy of Iran.



Diversify information sources.

Why DID Israel attack the IRGC Building Not Embassy in Damascus?

NuttBoxer says

Guessing this is sarcasm, but the patnetters creating the OP's aren't Jews or Muslims. Want you guys to really think about how you're stating things, and why?

Number one is this should not be a problem for the US. Personally I'm sick of my tax dollars being laundered through conflict.
I'm very sceptical about Israel being a ally. They tried to assassinate Truman, tried to sink our warship to get us into conflict, and who knows what else. They are a religious state and their people have a disproportionate amount of sway on our country. I'm tired of them being beyond criticism most of the time and constantly playing the victim card.
Either they can exist on their own or not, that's up to them not the US.

AmericanKulak says

RC2006 says

Must be to many Muslims in positions of power in media.

You don't think there aren't tons of anti-western Millennial Muslim Chicks writing articles? Go look at some bylines in the NYT and Vox and Guardian and such. And reporting from Fakestine and the Middle East? It's been heavily Muslim photographers and correspondants with a bias for decades.

Why are they anti-western, why are we in the middle east.

Second I don't care what woke women say feminists/feminism is anti-western cancer.

RC2006 says

Number one is this should not be a problem for the US. Personally I'm sick of my tax dollars being laundered through conflict.
I'm very sceptical about Israel being a ally. They tried to assassinate Truman, tried to sink our warship to get us into conflict, and who knows what else. They are a religious state and their people have a disproportionate amount of sway on our country. I'm tired of them being beyond criticism most of the time and constantly playing the victim card.
Either they can exist on their own or not, that's up to them not the US.

This is one of the better comments I've seen on the topic. First we don't need to be involved. 2nd, BOTH countries/territories have problems to figure out. One has vocally and in writing stated they wish to eliminate the other. This is a street fight. Let them just do their thing without involving us across an Ocean.

This never ends until someone ends it. This one is a war to the death or one side overthrows their government. Really no other options at this point.

WookieMan says

One has vocally and in writing stated they wish to eliminate the other.

You make claims like the above entirely unaware you are wrong..

Show the writing, liar.

richwicks says

WookieMan says

One has vocally and in writing stated they wish to eliminate the other.

You make claims like the above entirely unaware you are wrong..

Show the writing, liar.

https://www.dni.gov/nctc/ftos/hamas_fto.html#:~:text=HAMAS%20emerged%20in%201987%20during,Palestinian%20state%20in%20Israel's%20place.

https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/what-hamas

Hamas is Palestine. No different than Putin is Russia. Xi China. What don't you get? Hamas is leadership and 100% wants to eliminate Israel. Their biggest supporter is Iran. This isn't fake news or propaganda. It's what is actually happening. Fine "some" Palestinians don't want this, but they allowed it to happen. At some point the bull shit has to stop. Indisputable. Someone just needs to end it.

They could have lived peaceably forever. Egypt won't even fucking take them in. Attack them with your bull shit faux anger. They're both Muslim after all, right? You're out of your element Donny. Stick to your schtick of Iraq and Afghanistan and WMD's. The record that keeps spinning and gets no results.

WookieMan says

https://www.dni.gov/nctc/ftos/hamas_fto.html#:~:text=HAMAS%20emerged%20in%201987%20during,Palestinian%20state%20in%20Israel's%20place

My government has no credibility.

You said Hamas said this. That will be in Palestinian Arabic.

I'm not wasting any time with a government that just poisoned 200 million people with a fake pandemic and has lied to start 8 wars.

WookieMan says

https://www.cfr.org/backgrounder/what-hamas

Council of Foreign Relations???????

For fucks sake.

You want to know why you "think" that Hamas has it in their charter (never looking EVER at the charter though) that the destruction of Israel is their goal?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1988_Hamas_charter#1987_until_2004

As early as March 2004 though (but possibly much sooner), The Washington Institute for Near East Policy, a strong factor in the pro-Israel lobby in the United States of America, had understood the Hamas charter as to be a religiously motivated call for the "destruction of the State of Israel".

That's where you get it from, from a "think tank" (i.e. propaganda group) whose job is it is to lie to you. They "INTERPRETED" it and they get creative about how they "interpret" things.

Be simple enough to quote them, but they don't. I've heard this fucking nonsense for 30 years.

30 years ago how was I to go through and find the charter in Arabic and get a reliable translation?

اليوم، أصبح من السهل جدًا استخدام أدوات الترجمة. لم يعد الأمر كما كان قبل 30 عامًا، حيث كانت تُترجم فقط كلمة بكلمة، ولم تكن لديها القدرة على فهم السياق. سهل للغاية اليوم.

Here's all the goddamned power in the world, and you will never use it.

RC2006 says

Why are they anti-western, why are we in the middle east.

Oil is much cheaper from the Middle East than anywhere else. If we aren't the top customer somebody else will benefit.

We can debate if the effort is worth it, but there are rational economic and geopolitical reasons behind it.

NuttBoxer says

No takers on why we call retaliatory strikes on Israel attacks, but unprovoked targeting of an embassy is explained away? You guys are losing the war for your mind...

It was retaliatory. The strike killed an IRGC General behind the Oct 7th Terrorist Butchery of Civilians.

Also, for years, Hamas and Hezbollah would launch 100s of rockets into Israel. If Israel dropped one smart bomb on Hamas or Hezbollah, everybody would whinge "Why is Israel attacking, just take the rocket attacks, boo hoo. Don't respond to attacks!"

Saudi Arabia and Jordan are now revealed to have shot down the Iranian inbounds, also.

And we now know the reason for Hamas breaking a ceasefire with no valid cause to attack Israel in October: Iran ordered them to in order to create chaos to stop the Saudi-Israel normalization negotations that were advancing rapidly.

You won't hear this from Fuentes, Dawson, PressTV, MintPress, Sputnik, Middle East Eye, etc. They don't give you the whole story because they have a bias (SHOCK! Nooo, they're just Twuthtellers!)

So the ZIONAZI NEOCON KHAZARIANEVILDOERS are indeed correct: Iran doesn't want peace with Israel, or for other Muslims to make peace.

AmericanKulak says

It was retaliatory. The strike killed an IRGC General behind the Oct 7th Terrorist Butchery of Civilians.

How was an Iranian general responsible for October 7th?

Just the sheer fucking nonsense people repeat.

AmericanKulak says

RC2006 says

Why are they anti-western, why are we in the middle east.

Oil is much cheaper from the Middle East than anywhere else. If we aren't the top customer somebody else will benefit.

We can debate if the effort is worth it, but there are rational economic and geopolitical reasons behind it.

True but then we picked the wrong side we should have nurtured and stayed allied with Iran. We should have never let the creation of Israel to happen it was a mistake.