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stereotomy
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2024 May 4, 7:49pm
stereotomy
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2024 May 4, 7:49pm
I ask Ohomenbot the question - why hasn't Elena solved this problem yet?
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clambo
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2024 May 5, 8:29am
Battery cars are not "green" and will never be very popular either.
The average Tesla runs on energy produced by burning either natural gas or coal; in some cases nuclear power.
It's unfortunate that we can't buy natural gas cars, filling up would cost less than gasoline.
Buses and delivery vans are running on natural gas however.
The average Tesla runs on energy produced by burning either natural gas or coal; in some cases nuclear power.
It's unfortunate that we can't buy natural gas cars, filling up would cost less than gasoline.
Buses and delivery vans are running on natural gas however.
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Tenpoundbass
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2024 May 5, 9:12am
Tenpoundbass
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2024 May 5, 9:12am
ohomen171 says
I think that EV's are so preposterous, they make that ugly ass Toyota Prius seem like the smartest and best vehicle ever made.
In fact the Prius has nothing to worry about, so much so, that it hasn't changed one thing about its design in almost 25 years.
I riled against the Prius when it came out. But now I see it as practical. And the model all EVs should have taken.
A small engine to charge the batteries as needed. They never should have been anything that needs to be charged by the grid, and the batteries have to be so large, and yet still only have a limited range.
Another EV model that would have been smarter would be an electromagnetic propelled combustion engine. Where the gas and spark is replaced by alternating poles, pushing the piston driving the drive shaft. This model would be more efficient than stator motors on all four wheels. As the crankshaft and flywheel would also be doing much of the work.
What are your thoughts?
I think that EV's are so preposterous, they make that ugly ass Toyota Prius seem like the smartest and best vehicle ever made.
In fact the Prius has nothing to worry about, so much so, that it hasn't changed one thing about its design in almost 25 years.
I riled against the Prius when it came out. But now I see it as practical. And the model all EVs should have taken.
A small engine to charge the batteries as needed. They never should have been anything that needs to be charged by the grid, and the batteries have to be so large, and yet still only have a limited range.
Another EV model that would have been smarter would be an electromagnetic propelled combustion engine. Where the gas and spark is replaced by alternating poles, pushing the piston driving the drive shaft. This model would be more efficient than stator motors on all four wheels. As the crankshaft and flywheel would also be doing much of the work.
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Tenpoundbass
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2024 May 5, 9:56am
Tenpoundbass
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2024 May 5, 9:56am
No he's not, he's a leaning conservative surrounded by stark raving Liberals. He likes to post here to get input on things he discusses in his Liberal circles so he can get another prospective.
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RWSGFY
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2024 May 5, 4:04pm
RWSGFY
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2024 May 5, 4:04pm
Why the smallest and cheapest car in the lineup has the most expensive battery? Makes no sense.
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WookieMan
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2024 May 6, 2:46pm
WookieMan
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2024 May 6, 2:46pm
Tenpoundbass says
Hybrids are and were always the future. The Prius and Toyota was pretty smart. Driving to a sporting event for the kids. 180 miles one way. So I'd have to charge. I can drive my V8 SUV round trip without fueling up. I'd have to find a charger to get back home in central IL. Not gonna happen and too much of a hassle.
Time is money and enjoyment. I don't want to sit at a charging station to get back home. Not all hotels have them either. I'm at the point I don't think most EV drivers travel much and understand. It's a bitch with an ICE vehicle. I'd drive down to the Panhandle and stop twice and knock it out in 12 hours. An EV would take 15-16 hours at least. So you'd need a hotel or you'll fall asleep driving.
I think that EV's are so preposterous
Hybrids are and were always the future. The Prius and Toyota was pretty smart. Driving to a sporting event for the kids. 180 miles one way. So I'd have to charge. I can drive my V8 SUV round trip without fueling up. I'd have to find a charger to get back home in central IL. Not gonna happen and too much of a hassle.
Time is money and enjoyment. I don't want to sit at a charging station to get back home. Not all hotels have them either. I'm at the point I don't think most EV drivers travel much and understand. It's a bitch with an ICE vehicle. I'd drive down to the Panhandle and stop twice and knock it out in 12 hours. An EV would take 15-16 hours at least. So you'd need a hotel or you'll fall asleep driving.
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richwicks
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2024 May 6, 2:52pm
richwicks
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2024 May 6, 2:52pm
WookieMan says
DC Fast Chargers can completely charge a completely depleted car in as little as 15-20 minutes.
The convenience of an EV, is you can charge it in your garage. The danger of EVs is they are far heavier than regular cars and they will go right through a traffic barrier, when in an accident it's 99.9% of the time completely totaled no matter how small the damage is, and once they get lit up in a fire, they keep burning and good luck putting them out.
But if you're just going from home to work, it's kind of nice to just plug it in when you get to work, and plug it in when you get home, and never see a gas station again.
Time is money and enjoyment. I don't want to sit at a charging station to get back home. Not all hotels have them either. I'm at the point I don't think most EV drivers travel much and understand. It's a bitch with an ICE vehicle. I'd drive down to the Panhandle and stop twice and knock it out in 12 hours. An EV would take 15-16 hours at least. So you'd need a hotel or you'll fall asleep driving.
DC Fast Chargers can completely charge a completely depleted car in as little as 15-20 minutes.
The convenience of an EV, is you can charge it in your garage. The danger of EVs is they are far heavier than regular cars and they will go right through a traffic barrier, when in an accident it's 99.9% of the time completely totaled no matter how small the damage is, and once they get lit up in a fire, they keep burning and good luck putting them out.
But if you're just going from home to work, it's kind of nice to just plug it in when you get to work, and plug it in when you get home, and never see a gas station again.
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socal2
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2024 May 6, 2:54pm
In 20 years, we could be close to a "closed loop system" where there are enough batteries produced that we will have enough to recycle the expensive materials and won't have to mine for more. It is much easier, cheaper and cleaner to recycle cobalt and nickel from an existing battery than to mine new material.
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HeadSet
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2024 May 6, 3:02pm
HeadSet
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2024 May 6, 3:02pm
socal2 says
In 20 years, it is likely that a completely new battery technology or fuel cell will not need cobalt or nickel.
In 20 years, we could be close to a "closed loop system" where there are enough batteries produced that we will have enough to recycle the expensive materials and won't have to mine for more. It is much easier, cheaper and cleaner to recycle cobalt and nickel from an existing battery than to mine new material.
In 20 years, it is likely that a completely new battery technology or fuel cell will not need cobalt or nickel.
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Tenpoundbass
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2024 May 6, 5:45pm
Tenpoundbass
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2024 May 6, 5:45pm
Back to Unicorn Farts and Pixie Dust. The good ole new battery technology fuel cell that's going to save us. Obama got elected selling that lie, and it's still believed. Unbelievable!
Useful technology comes out of good science. Not the other way around.
Useful technology comes out of good science. Not the other way around.
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fdhfoiehfeoi
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2024 May 6, 8:21pm
fdhfoiehfeoi
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2024 May 6, 8:21pm
ohomen171 says
Nice summary of the reality of "environmentalism". Destroying the earth while acting like a morally superior douche...
The Components That Go Into A Tesla Battery
Nice summary of the reality of "environmentalism". Destroying the earth while acting like a morally superior douche...
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komputodo
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2024 May 6, 8:43pm
komputodo
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2024 May 6, 8:43pm
socal2 says
in 20 yrs we will still be driving ICE cars
In 20 years, we could be close to a "closed loop system" where there are enough batteries produced that we will have enough to recycle the expensive materials and won't have to mine for more. It is much easier, cheaper and cleaner to recycle cobalt and nickel from an existing battery than to mine new material.
in 20 yrs we will still be driving ICE cars
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richwicks
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2024 May 6, 8:55pm
richwicks
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2024 May 6, 8:55pm
HeadSet says
Unlikely. Computer simulation can be done to verify theoretical efficiency. It's likely that lithium ion is near the highest energy density we can get. Sodium batteries may be far cheaper in time, but lower energy density, but sodium is far easier to get than lithium
In 20 years, it is likely that a completely new battery technology or fuel cell will not need cobalt or nickel.
Unlikely. Computer simulation can be done to verify theoretical efficiency. It's likely that lithium ion is near the highest energy density we can get. Sodium batteries may be far cheaper in time, but lower energy density, but sodium is far easier to get than lithium
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komputodo
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2024 May 6, 9:12pm
komputodo
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2024 May 6, 9:12pm
richwicks says
Doncha know, new battery technology is just around the corner. Couple that with CA's high speed rail system which is also ready to start up next year and transportation will be fixed.
HeadSet says
In 20 years, it is likely that a completely new battery technology or fuel cell will not need cobalt or nickel.
Unlikely. Computer simulation can be done to verify theoretical efficiency. It's likely that lithium ion is near the highest energy density we can get. Sodium batteries may be far cheaper in time, but lower energy density, but sodium is far easier to get than lithium
Doncha know, new battery technology is just around the corner. Couple that with CA's high speed rail system which is also ready to start up next year and transportation will be fixed.
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komputodo
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2024 May 6, 9:14pm
komputodo
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2024 May 6, 9:14pm
I'm gonna wait for that online guy who is going to build a car that runs on water.
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FortWayneHatesRealtors
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2024 May 6, 9:18pm
komputodo says
1hp horse runs on water and horse feed… still works in some counties.
I'm gonna wait for that online guy who is going to build a car that runs on water.
1hp horse runs on water and horse feed… still works in some counties.
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--12 tons of rock for Lithium (can also be extracted from sea water)
-- 5 tons of cobalt minerals (Most cobalt is made as a byproduct of processing copper and nickel ores. It is the most difficult and expensive material to obtain for a battery.)
-- 3 tons nickel ore
-- 12 tons of copper ore
You must move 250 tons of soil to obtain:
-- 26.5 pounds of Lithium
-- 30 pounds of nickel
-- 48.5 pounds of manganese
-- 15 pounds of cobalt
To manufacture the battery also requires:
-- 441 pounds of aluminum, steel and/or plastic
-- 112 pounds of graphite
The Caterpillar 994A is used to move the earth to obtain the minerals needed for this battery. The Caterpillar consumes 264 gallons of diesel in 12 hours.
The bulk of necessary minerals for manufacturing the batteries come from China or Africa. Much of the labor in Africa is done by children. When you buy an electric car, China profits most.
The 2021 Tesla Model Y OEM battery (the cheapest Tesla battery) is currently for sale on the Internet for $4,999 not including shipping or installation. The battery weighs 1,000 pounds (you can imagine the shipping cost). The cost of Tesla batteries are:
Model 3 -- $14,000+ (Car MSRP $38,990)
Model Y -- $5,000–$5,500 (Car MSRP $47,740)
Model S -- $13,000–$20,000 (Car MSRP $74,990)
Model X -- $13,000+ (Car MSRP $79,990)
It takes 7 years for an electric car to reach net-zero CO2. The life expectancy of the battery is 10 years (average). Only in the last 3 years do you start to reduce your carbon footprint, but then the batteries must be replaced and you lose all gains made.
What are your thoughts?