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komputodo says

tariffs smariffs......pump and dump....elites and their buddies dump....then later buy the dip....have enought left over for another mansion, another yacht, and another gulfstream. And blame it on trump...all around win for them...who loses? retail investors...

yeah I wonder how much insider trading is going on especially with friends of Trumps friends or those that pay to get inside info from the friends of Trump friends

and especially this as far as the stock options market

you can get serious fucked over selling covered calls on volatile stocks like Amazon even those that have DTE within 5 days

retail investors need to have the strong stomach for this and don't panic sell on blue chip stocks like AMZN, GOOGL, etc.

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Ah, Buffett was very heavily into cash lately.

It's almost like he gets inside info of what going to happen before it happens, unlike the rest of us. Just sayin.

HeadSet says

RWSGFY says

HeadSet says

Eric Holder says

WOW, the shit is tanking after hours.

Where? I am seeing stocks rise.

Huh? Are you sure you are looking at the after hours quotes and not the numbers at close?

And today I am down about $95k from just yesterday at close. These are long term holds, so just a paper loss as they should still pay dividends.

Anybody doing any buys?

Too early for that: Donnie's madness is far from being exhausted. It's fucking Afgh withdrawal all over again: take a supposedly good idea and fuck it up 7 ways till Sunday with moronic execution.

PS. Now I'm sure Potato did execute Donnie's plan to a T, LOL. He probably wanted to hang the whole thing around his neck, but it didn't work out.

AD says

yeah I wonder how much insider trading is going on especially with friends of Trumps friends or those that pay to get inside info from the friends of Trump friends

why just trumps friends...how about all the 200k salaried pol. democrats that have a net worth of 20 mil? Yeah, that doesn't fit the narrative.HeadSet says

I have stocks, real estate and cash, but no gold or bitcoin. I would hate to see gold and bitcoin be something I should have bought.

Yeah, it would be a shame if some of your friends hold gold or bitcoin and prosper. It's better if they don't. because you don't want them to get ahead if you don't.

I think it wasn't a surprise to anyone that tariffs would be imposed and that stocks would fall afterwards.

Some people took notice and made changes accordingly to their holdings, e.g. Warren Buffet.

Others are lazy and do nothing as they have done for decades, e.g. myself.

It's interesting that whenever I have to sell shares, like to pay my taxes, shit seems to have dropped; I hate that shit.

What is interesting to me is Trump is doing what no American president has had the fuckin balls to do, and the world seems to be flipping out.

It reminds me of when I didn't cough up any cash to some broad who was used to free money from me; what a reaction!

komputodo says

Yeah, it would be a shame if some of your friends hold gold or bitcoin and prosper. It's better if they don't. because you don't want them to get ahead if you don't.

I do not begrudge other's success, I am saying I would rather have made the same choices as well.

clambo says

Others are lazy and do nothing as they have done for decades, e.g. myself.

May not be just "lazy," but the idea that the drop is a short-term overreaction and prices will return.

Investing is like marriage - do it in haste, repent at leisure.

The media is going to go ape shit over the inevitable dip in stocks. What else would you expect?

Wall Street Journal: Foreigner owned, editorial policy is pro-illegal workers, pro-foreign workers.
The Wall Street Journal is anti-Trump.

Fox News: Foreign controlled.

NY Times: Carlos Slim, the world richest fat Mexican, saved them and has editorial influence.

CNBC: Liberal Wall Street shitheads talking all day about nothing.

Tip: Stocks have intrinsic value, but the stock market is an auction; thus, sometimes they get bid up quickly, but can also be bid down quickly. So what?

The S&P 500 index is up 117% over the past 5 years.

HeadSet says

And today I am down about $95k from just yesterday at close.

Look on the bright side : The 10% you will lose today (Friday) is less than the 10% you lost yesterday!

See you at zero!

I am seeing more panic selling pre-market today.

Looks like a good time for a Roth IRA conversion.

It's all Obama's fault!

RWSGFY says

It's all Obama's fault!

Who's fault is it when a person loses in a casino?

komputodo says

RWSGFY says

It's all Obama's fault!

Who's fault is it when a person loses in a casino?

What is casino in this context? Elections?

stfu says

HeadSet says

And today I am down about $95k from just yesterday at close.

Look on the bright side : The 10% you will lose today (Friday) is less than the 10% you lost yesterday!

See you at zero!

"Zero," really? Just paper loses and they will recover.

clambo says

Looks like a good time for a Roth IRA conversion.

Not a bad idea, actually.

https://palaceintrigue.substack.com/p/dont-cry-for-wall-street-tariffs

When the stock market goes up, the average American feels nothing. No wealth effect. No wage boost. No benefit. But when it crashes? Suddenly it's our problem. Suddenly we need bailouts. Socialism for the rich, capitalism for everyone else.

The stock market loves job cuts, offshoring of industry, union busting, automation, and stock buybacks over increased wages and R&D spending.

Why? Because these all boost short-term profits, which push stock prices higher. These people literally do not have the capacity to think further than 3 months ahead, and it’s been this way for nearly 50 years.

But all the things they love that make stonks go up in reality devastate the real economy — the economy where actual humans work, spend, and live.

The Fed and government have conditioned the market to expect free money every time there’s turbulence. ZIRP (zero interest rate policy), QE (quantitative easing), and the “Fed put” are all designed to protect asset prices, not people.

And every time there's a downturn, Wall Street screams: “Do something!” They don't mean create jobs. They mean: Protect my portfolio. Bail out my bag.

60% of Americans live paycheck to paycheck. Household debt is at record highs. Millennials and Gen Z are screwed on housing, retirement, and savings.

The U.S. can’t build basic infrastructure without Chinese steel and imported semiconductors. But hey — Apple’s stock is up 5%! So everything must be fine, right?

So no — when the stock market dips because of tariffs or reshoring efforts, it’s not the economy suffering. It’s the parasite getting hungry because the host is finally fighting back.

HeadSet says

"Zero," really? Just paper loses and they will recover.

Tongue in Cheek. It's how I cope.

I am also losing my ass. Also not selling; considering selling my SGOV to raise cash for the inevitable bottom.

Oldie, but goodie:



Paging SpaceX. Elon, you heard the man.

Kaboom! Flying presidents everywhere.

what are our resident experts thinking? what to buy? timing will be likely important.

My portfolio is down by more than 1M, and with zero fucks given as long as my dividends keep coming.
I will probably buy more dividend paying stocks.

Zero fucks about the tarrifs as well. This is long overdue. We should have never allowed imports into our marketplace to this extent.

If I had new money coming in, I would be buying more capital appreciation stock mutual funds.

Of course, if you are over 60 years old, probably not, rather something like Vanguard Wellington.

My investments are down a shitload, but I can convert some of my IRA to a Roth IRA I guess.

I concur with Booger.

S&P 500 is down 17.5% from its all time high. I wonder if the floor for at least the next few weeks is 20% below its all time high.

It will be interesting to see if the stock market stays down +15% for an extended period for time such as 6 months in regards to how inflation will fare.

I'm not sure it will matter for the working class cost of living such as with egg prices, rents, etc. I did read the Saudis plan on increasing oil production which will help with oil prices , which should help keep grocery prices down.

Maybe Trump is trying to get the 10 Year Treasury down to 3.5% or more before the US Treasury Department issues a large amount of bonds.

And then Trump may back off on his tariffs plan, which may mean the stock market bounces back.

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AD says

Trump may back off on his tariffs plan, which may mean the stock market bounces back.

I am expecting Trump to make deals, especially with Canada. Even if everyone else lifts their tarrifs and we do too, it probably isn't going to help much here because other countries probably still won't buy our stuff all that much. I expect the auto industry here to be protected and China to get screwed (because they deserve it).

Misc says

With as skeptical as most people on this site are, it amazes me that very few view the statements they receive from their financial institutions as the propaganda that they are.

The values being reported on the top 10%'s financial statements are still wildly out of Whack.

If you want to see how obscene some of the values are, take the company's market cap then divide it by the number of employees. - Then you get the full "Holy Fuck" effect.

AD says

&P 500 is down 17.5% from its all time high. I wonder if the floor for at least the next few weeks is 20% below its all time high.

I would normally say stocks are almost on sale, but even the correction P/E's are whack.

Gold went from ~250 in 2000 or so up to almost 3200. DJIA went from ~10K to 43K in the same time frame. S&P 500 from ~1500 to 5900. Granted, the stocks pay dividends which if reinvested via DRIPs can jack the yield, but pricewise, gold has been a 10 bagger over this time period, whereas stock prices as represented by indices are at best 5-baggers. Most of the gains in stock prices over the broader indices are the result of inflation, pure and simple, just like the gains in gold.

The Triffin Delimma will be resolved, and there will be much wailing and gnashing of teeth for those who don't possess free and clear assets (assets wholly owned and not bought with debt).

you fellas here know a lot about stocks

Misc says

Misc says

With as skeptical as most people on this site are, it amazes me that very few view the statements they receive from their financial institutions as the propaganda that they are.

The values being reported on the top 10%'s financial statements are still wildly out of Whack.

If you want to see how obscene some of the values are, take the company's market cap then divide it by the number of employees. - Then you get the full "Holy Fuck" effect.

for kicks i did Apple. that’s one i own some stock in.

As of April 4, 2025, Apple's market capitalization was approximately $2.83 trillion, with a reported workforce of 164,000 full-time employees as of September 28, 2024. Dividing the market cap by the number of employees yields approximately $17.26 million per employee.

Eric Holder says

komputodo says

RWSGFY says

It's all Obama's fault!

Who's fault is it when a person loses in a casino?

What is casino in this context? Elections?

the manipulated stock market

RWSGFY says

Oldie, but goodie:



Paging SpaceX. Elon, you heard the man.

Dow "Joans?"

Booger says

My portfolio is down by more than 1M,

That implies a portfolio of $15 million or higher. Nice. Were you one of those who bought Apple, Amazon, et all, back in the beginning?

HeadSet says

Booger says

My portfolio is down by more than 1M,

That implies a portfolio of $15 million or higher. Nice. Were you one of those who bought Apple, Amazon, et all, back in the beginning?

Or he's older or got a bunch of stock options as an employee early on.

WookieMan says

Or he's older or got a bunch of stock options as an employee early on.

Possibly, but he talks of buying "more dividend paying stocks" so he appears to be an investor.

stereotomy says

Triffin Delimma

Yes, and Trump is being coy as much as Putin is with the Ukraine War.

But the way Trump manages expectations, if US manufacturing jobs as a percentage of total jobs goes from currently 10% to 15% then he'll declare victory, besides showing a decrease in the trade deficit.

It's a tangible gain that he can take to the American public, just like showing the fiscal year 2025 deficit at or below the 2024 deficit which would be the first time the deficit did not increase since Bill Clinton's last year in office.

Trump first defines winning as being a noticeable improvement over Birdbrain Biden.

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The S&P 500 has delivered an average annual return of 10.13% since 1957, but when adjusted for inflation, the real return drops to 6.37% as of December 2024.

The real return over the last 5 years has been 25%, so averaging about 4.5% real return per year since April 2020.

S&P 500 has averaged about 5% real return per year over the last 20 years.

https://www.multpl.com/inflation-adjusted-s-p-500

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The corporate tax rate in 2005 was 35%, today its 21%.

That 5% real return per year over the last 20 years is a mirage. It is a gift from the government to the wealthiest people in the country via lowed taxes. This boosted the profits of the corporations.

Of course the government could always reduce corporate taxes further, thus increasing profits and share prices.

The guy who has seen his investments drop by $1 million doesn't need to have had $15 million dollars.

He could have $7 million or less and see this decline compared to the top value before stocks fell.