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Polls, betting markets and election prediction thread


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2024 Sep 18, 3:19pm   2,682 views  199 comments

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The divergence has started between the partisan polls on each side and the neutral pollsters (if any).

Also the betting markets currently hold harris as favorite although the swing states stay hotly contested while Trump survives assassination attempt after attempt.

One would think they would move in the opposite direction which is a bit disturbing, but it may just be partisan hackery to add insult to injury.

Teamsters overwhelmingly voted in favor of Trump, do we have more liberal arts majors than working class to explain the polls?

Make your predictions here, or not ;)

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149   DOGEWontAmountToShit   2024 Nov 3, 10:57pm  

They are really getting desperate:


150   DOGEWontAmountToShit   2024 Nov 3, 11:31pm  

And another...


151   WookieMan   2024 Nov 3, 11:42pm  

SoTex says

I asked for a receipt or copy of what I voted for. All they offered me was a fucking, "I voted", sticker.

Take a picture. Most have smart phones in their pockets with a camera. No one can tell you on public property that you cannot photograph your ballot. I plan on taking a pic of my ballot. That way I can ask to show me my vote if shit goes sideways.
153   FuckTheMainstreamMedia   2024 Nov 4, 4:13am  

DemocratsAreTotallyFucked says

They are really getting desperate:





I’ll take “Things that never happened for $800, Alex”
154   FuckTheMainstreamMedia   2024 Nov 4, 4:14am  

DemocratsAreTotallyFucked says

And another...





I can’t believe people are dumb enough to believe this.
155   WookieMan   2024 Nov 4, 5:08am  

FuckTheMainstreamMedia says

I can’t believe people are dumb enough to believe this.

Really? Rachel Maddow is still on the air. There are copious amounts of dumb fucks spouting shit people believe. People need to stop watching TV. If everyone did that for 3 months you'd come out a better person. They don't know they're being brainwashed. This is legit 1984 stuff.
156   goofus   2024 Nov 4, 6:27am  

FuckTheMainstreamMedia says


DemocratsAreTotallyFucked says


And another...





I can’t believe people are dumb enough to believe this.



I know people who believe this. The LGBT camps thing does come from Maddow. A friend like this has sent link after link, trying to save my eternal political soul. She’s an engineer from the former Soviet Union, quite smart, and absolutely unconvinceable.
157   RWSGFY   2024 Nov 4, 7:28am  

DemocratsAreTotallyFucked says

And another...





Both sides done this shit. For example in 2020 Scott Adams predicted that if Potato is elected in many of us would not be alive because Republicans will be hunted like animals.
158   Robert Sproul   2024 Nov 4, 7:44am  

WookieMan says

People need to stop watching TV.

Critical. When I have been asked why I didn't buy into the vax bullshit I can only say, 'well I haven't watched TV for 30 years or so'. I have turned it on in motel rooms and can take about 20 minutes.
159   DOGEWontAmountToShit   2024 Nov 4, 8:01am  

FuckTheMainstreamMedia says

I’ll take “Things that never happened for $800, Alex”


That is what was in the comments section.
160   Maga_Chaos_Monkey   2024 Nov 4, 8:12am  

WookieMan says

Take a picture. Most have smart phones in their pockets with a camera. No one can tell you on public property that you cannot photograph your ballot. I plan on taking a pic of my ballot. That way I can ask to show me my vote if shit goes sideways.


Texas prohibits the use of electronic devices, including cell phones, within 100 feet of voting stations.
162   WookieMan   2024 Nov 4, 10:16am  

SoTex says

Texas prohibits the use of electronic devices, including cell phones, within 100 feet of voting stations.

My vote. Public property. Tough luck. I'm paying for it with taxes. Plus with small cameras now it's impossible for someone to police.

I'm not going to take a photo of someone else's ballot. At my polling place I know where to get to and take a clean shot and not get noticed. I don't give a flying fuck anymore. I want proof with GPS location and if I think shenanigans were going down the burden of proof is on them. Find my ballot. People need to do this tomorrow.

You can't record someone else audio wise without their knowledge. If you're not making a profit from it, or suing someone, you can photograph and record anything in a public space that you want. Polling stations are almost all publicly paid for facilities.
163   RWSGFY   2024 Nov 4, 10:31am  

WookieMan says

SoTex says


Texas prohibits the use of electronic devices, including cell phones, within 100 feet of voting stations.

My vote. Public property. Tough luck. I'm paying for it with taxes. Plus with small cameras now it's impossible for someone to police.

I'm not going to take a photo of someone else's ballot. At my polling place I know where to get to and take a clean shot and not get noticed. I don't give a flying fuck anymore.


How this is different from demon rat attitude towards election laws? "Fuck your election laws, we'll do what we want, good luck catching us."
164   WookieMan   2024 Nov 4, 1:35pm  

RWSGFY says

How this is different from demon rat attitude towards election laws? "Fuck your election laws, we'll do what we want, good luck catching us."

I don't care. I want to know my ballot is counted and have proof. It's not cheating or doing a thing with others ballots. Not sure your point or that you understood what I said.
166   DOGEWontAmountToShit   2024 Nov 4, 2:43pm  

If it isn't the voter fraud that dooms Trump, it will be this:

168   mell   2024 Nov 4, 3:23pm  

DemocratsAreTotallyFucked says


If it isn't the voter fraud that dooms Trump, it will be this:



The turnout so far has been better for Trump than in 2020 in terms of party affiliation and gender. Womynz always vote by mail/early because they are afraid of covid and everything else. If the turnout on election day is roughly the same as 2020 then Trump should win this. It shouldn't be close but it likely will, still Trump should win this.
169   WookieMan   2024 Nov 4, 3:47pm  

All my friends voted already. I'm going 6am tomorrow. No lines in my town at that time. Farmers already found time during breaks to early vote. All the geezers I know voted already in anticipation of standing in long line.

Trying to give them the least amount of time to fuck with my vote and I'm documenting it. My polling place should be 80 Trump and 20 Harris. We'll see.
170   RWSGFY   2024 Nov 4, 3:52pm  

WookieMan says


RWSGFY says


How this is different from demon rat attitude towards election laws? "Fuck your election laws, we'll do what we want, good luck catching us."

I don't care. I want to know my ballot is counted and have proof. It's not cheating or doing a thing with others ballots. Not sure your point or that you understood what I said.



You are in IL. The demon rats rule there. They will throw a book at you if you waltz in and confess of violating the election laws in order to "catch them". I get it, you have no principles, it happens. But your "proof" will be used against you first.
171   WookieMan   2024 Nov 4, 5:42pm  

RWSGFY says

You are in IL. The demon rats rule there. They will throw a book at you if you waltz in and confess of violating the election laws in order to "catch them". I get it, you have no principles, it happens. But your "proof" will be used against you first.

The cool part is I get to do what I want. I have the means to fight anything. I also know how to manipulate people. Not going to air my dirty laundry here, but I know what I'm doing. I also know everyone including state wide. I try to keep my mouth shut here, but it's mostly a CA centric site. So not overly worried.

Fortunately I have a common name, so I'm hard to dox. My last name is well known in Wisconsin and Illinois. But trust me, the county or state would have nothing on me. You gotta know the game.
172   Robert Sproul   2024 Nov 4, 6:28pm  

I just listened to NPR interview some retired General and it was crystal clear that they are preparing for civil unrest and they will get their unrest whatever it takes. I anticipate 'Contested Results' followed by a 'False Flag' of obscene violence (Boston Marathon style) blamed on a 'Right Wing Extremist'. Game over. They are going to stop short of whatever-it-takes? They did 'Covid' FFS.
I am still amazed at how easy it was for them to orchestrate Jan 6, completely own the narrative, and spend years rubbing it in by jailing whoever the hell they want. Or get away with a blatantly stolen election last time, and spend the next 4 years mocking anybody that had the slightest doubt. Why the hell would it be any different this time? Elon is going to stop it single handed?

I knew there was a reason why last month the DoD updated Directive 5420.01, giving U.S. armed forces the power to use lethal force against protesting U.S. civilians.
173   HeadSet   2024 Nov 4, 7:11pm  

DemocratsAreTotallyFucked says

If it isn't the voter fraud that dooms Trump, it will be this:

Yes, men that have to work on a Tuesday need to find a time to fit in voting.
174   AD   2024 Nov 4, 7:26pm  

Tonight's betting odds is 58% for Trump on Real Clear Politics, for whatever it is worth

I hope if Harris does win, that she does not act like she has a mandate as far as the border, student loan forgiveness, deficit spending, etc
175   AmericanKulak   2024 Nov 4, 7:31pm  

HeadSet says

Yes, men that have to work on a Tuesday need to find a time to fit in voting.

This is why voting should be on Saturday.

Welfare schlubs are gonna schlub no matter what day of the week it is. It makes it easier for men to vote.
176   Robert Sproul   2024 Nov 4, 7:46pm  

Polymarket is 2.8 to 1 for Trump, so 38,000 on Harris will return 100K if she wins.
It is a way to hedge the hideous feeling of her winning with a little dopamine from the cash win.
This is Scott Galloway's idea except of course he is putting up $385,000 for a Million win.
.....on the other hand him losing 385 will make a Trump win just a little sweeter.
177   HeadSet   2024 Nov 4, 7:58pm  

AmericanKulak says

Welfare schlubs are gonna schlub no matter what day of the week it is

Or just give the ballots to the harvesters.
178   DOGEWontAmountToShit   2024 Nov 4, 8:15pm  

Robert Sproul says

Polymarket is 2.8 to 1 for Trump,


Polymarket is bullshit. Ppl who bet aren't the ppl voting and you can even withdraw from a bet at anytime. What a crock.
179   goofus   2024 Nov 4, 9:44pm  

Robert Sproul says


I just listened to NPR interview some retired General and it was crystal clear that they are preparing for civil unrest and they will get their unrest whatever it takes. I anticipate 'Contested Results' followed by a 'False Flag' of obscene violence (Boston Marathon style) blamed on a 'Right Wing Extremist'. Game over. They are going to stop short of whatever-it-takes? They did 'Covid' FFS.
I am still amazed at how easy it was for them to orchestrate Jan 6, completely own the narrative, and spend years rubbing it in by jailing whoever the hell they want. Or get away with a blatantly stolen election last time, and spend the next 4 years mocking anybody that had the slightest doubt. Why the hell would it be any different this time? Elon is going to stop it single handed?

I knew there was a reason why last month the DoD updated Directive 5420.01, giving U.S. armed forces the power to use lethal force against protesting U.S. civilians.


Scary that this is even in the realm of possibility, but there it is. However the BLM shock troops are not all on the same page [https://kfoxtv.com/news/nation-world/blm-activist-plans-to-vote-for-trump-been-blindly-loyal-to-the-democrat-party-mark-fisher-black-lives-matter-rhode-island-donald-trump-kamala-harris-democratic-republican-party].

Those left, like gays, women “of color,” and abortion-addled white women, aren’t much of a street threat. Let’s hope the left is in as much disarray as it seems.
180   WookieMan   2024 Nov 4, 10:02pm  

AmericanKulak says


HeadSet says

Yes, men that have to work on a Tuesday need to find a time to fit in voting.

This is why voting should be on Saturday.

Welfare schlubs are gonna schlub no matter what day of the week it is. It makes it easier for men to vote.

Not hard to fit in time. Most polling places open at 6am in your local time zone. Wife and I are up at 4:30am almost every day. Lines will be non-existent if you get there early. I think in most states it's either a holiday now or your employer has to let you leave work to vote at minimum.

IL went the holiday route, but it used to be during Obama years here your employer had to allow you time to vote on the clock. It's the people that wait until the afternoon/evening that just turn around when they see the line.
181   AD   2024 Nov 4, 10:04pm  

DemocratsAreTotallyFucked says

Polymarket is bullshit. Ppl who bet aren't the ppl voting and you can even withdraw from a bet at anytime. What a crock.


For what its worth, the Real Clear Politics betting average is 57.7% for Trump

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182   WookieMan   2024 Nov 4, 10:31pm  

AD says

DemocratsAreTotallyFucked says

Polymarket is bullshit. Ppl who bet aren't the ppl voting and you can even withdraw from a bet at anytime. What a crock.

For what its worth, the Real Clear Politics betting average is 57.7% for Trump

It's an anecdotal poll essentially with gambling. I think it's more accurate than traditional polls. People see signs. People talk with neighbors.

My one liberal neighbors and friends put out Obama, Clinton and Biden signs in the past. Nothing this year besides local/state races. I don't do signs because I'm a minimalist and they make my yard look like shit. But 2 Harris signs out of 800 homes in a purple county. I think we go red. Cook county (Chicago) fucks our entire state.
183   DOGEWontAmountToShit   2024 Nov 4, 10:51pm  

WookieMan says


It's an anecdotal poll essentially with gambling. I think it's more accurate than traditional polls. People see signs. People talk with neighbors.


That's not a poll. Americans can't even bet on Polymarket.
184   AD   2024 Nov 4, 11:01pm  

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for what its worth, the 6 registered voters in this New Hampshire town voted at 12:01 am today (election day) and they split 3 for Trump and 3 for Harris

as a comparison, Biden got 5 out of 5 votes in 2020

in 2016, Hilary got 4, Trump got 2 , Gary Johnson got 1 and Mitt Romney got 1

and Ayote got 5 out of 6 votes for governor in November 2024 ; Ayote seems like a solid Republican candidate

https://www.wmur.com/article/midnight-voting-new-hampshire-election-results-24/62810457

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dixville_Notch,_New_Hampshire#Federal_election_results

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185   WookieMan   2024 Nov 4, 11:02pm  

DemocratsAreTotallyFucked says

WookieMan says



It's an anecdotal poll essentially with gambling. I think it's more accurate than traditional polls. People see signs. People talk with neighbors.


That's not a poll. Americans can't even bet on Polymarket.

Yes they can. VPN. It's not 2000. 90% of the population didn't know about the existence of VPN. Much different now. I can "live" anywhere in the world. Especially younger guys that are more tech savvy. It's not hard to skirt around state and federal laws.

Either way Polymarket just shows you that guys are not voting for Harris in large numbers. Women generally don't gamble unless at a casino.
186   WookieMan   2024 Nov 4, 11:08pm  

DemocratsAreTotallyFucked says

That's not a poll.

Tell that to someone that bets on the horses. The betting odds usually favor the best horse. That horse is Trump.

Human sports not so much since officials, coaches and players can all fix a game. Owners of horses want the breeding values which is millions of dollars. They want them to win. One good horse and you're retired.
187   DOGEWontAmountToShit   2024 Nov 4, 11:51pm  

WookieMan says


Tell that to someone that bets on the horses.


I will. Along with a justified barrage pissing over the crappy education they got.

Betting isn't a poll on horses any more than they are on voters. Period.
188   Tenpoundbass   2024 Nov 5, 5:21am  

WookieMan says

Human sports not so much since officials, coaches and players can all fix a game. Owners of horses want the breeding values which is millions of dollars. They want them to win. One good horse and you're retired.


Horse owners rig their races to put their horses over for the biggest purse all the time.
If you pay attention to the racing forms, and follow the race results. There are subtle things they do that is legal but intentional to skew the results.
On the racing form, you'll see track heats the horse ran for the last weeks or months. If a horse is a favorite because of the way the horse has been running during training. You'll also see that the horse has been training with a certain Jockey during those laps. On race day the horse is a favorite, but on the day of the race the trainer or owner will replace that jockey with another jockey. Horses are partial to favorite Jockeys. The horse may not run as well. The team behind the horse does this, because the horse is a favorite paying out crappy odds. So they'll do this for a couple races, so fans don't think the horse is a good horse, even though his test runs makes him seem fast. Eventually the horse will stop being a favorite and more of a longshot. Then they'll put the horses favorite jockey on him and the horse will win. The purse for winning a race isn't always as big as the gambling proceeds they can win.

They do this with new horses that are up and coming. They will also do this with horses that were in the group of winners but not the winner of last years major racing cups. To bring them back down in stature. SO they can put them over to win on bets.

They also may over water them, or give them too much water to drink right before they race. That is what you should be looking for when betters are inspecting the horses at the paddock before the race. But most people are looking at the horse in their favorite color leggings, and blinders. They don't know what people are looking at or for.

Once the horse does win a major cup or race. They sell the horse to other racers, who will probably just race them and not monkey around with the elements that maximizes the most gambling wins, and are pushing the horse to win races for the glory of the photo ops and trophies. And of course the puny purse.

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